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Does DEFY still water proof after repairing the earpiece？

From motorola support forum and other forums, we know that probably there is an earpiece bug in DEFY. At present, no official statement about it.
Does DEFY still water proof after repairing the earpiece？

First : Defy is not Waterproof but water resistant, it's not exactly the same thing.
Waterproof : You can let the device the time you want under water
Water resistant : It can resist to be under water (less than 1 meter) but I'll never let the Defy all the night in the bath
Then: There's no reason for a repaired device to be not water resistant angain and IP67 complian.
They have the tools for that, you don't have to worry.

IP67 = Total dust ingress protection || immersion between 15cm and 1m depth
http://www.sensorsone.co.uk/ip-rating-checker.html
and yeah, it should be the same as new...if not you get to send it back again

danbutter said:
IP67 = Total dust ingress protection || immersion between 15cm and 1m depth
http://www.sensorsone.co.uk/ip-rating-checker.html
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Nice link !
It would be great to have a IP68 device

Le_Poilu said:
Nice link !
It would be great to have a IP68 device
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Exactly my thoughts when I read it!

Only one way to find out tbh. But yeah is should, everything is put back together as before right so it should still be water tight.
Let us know how the earpiece holds up after repair.

Le_Poilu said:
They have the tools for that, you don't have to worry.
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LOL Motorola: There's a tool for that!

SteveChou said:
From motorola support forum and other forums, we know that probably there is an earpiece bug in DEFY. At present, no official statement about it.
Does DEFY still water proof after repairing the earpiece？
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Actually it's probably not the earpiece. But if you send it in for that not only will they not fix it, but there's a team of defrocked nuns assigned to lick the water sensor stickers so your guarantee is void. You've been warned.

hello,I have a question,can defy resist dust? dust proof?my defy has several dust in its screen!!what about your defy?

water resist in ocean?

does our z1c is water resistent in regular water only?or we can shoot pics or videos up to 1 meter in the ocean too?

vigorito said:
does our z1c is water resistent in regular water only?or we can shoot pics or videos up to 1 meter in the ocean too?
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Lets put it this way, the shell stops liquid ingression, as long as the particles aren't smaller than regular water then they won't make it inside. What will happen in seawater is that the salt and other chemicals in the seawater will start corroding your O-rings, and eventually they will fail. After exposing your phone to seawater I would recommend washing it in clean water and cleaning the seals with a damp piece of cloth afterward.
I wouldn't, for example, recommend you go swimming in the ocean with it every day for a month.

Aha got it, and what about like 5-6 days for about total 30minutes a day?
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vigorito said:
Aha got it, and what about like 5-6 days for about total 30minutes a day?
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As long as you clean it like I mentioned earlier after each exposure.
Is it worth it though? You won't get any reception in the water, you can't use the touchscreen and the speaker will sound like crap. Yeah it's fun for a while, go take some water photos, just be careful with your expensive phone.
Oh, and don't hold me responsible if it breaks due to my advice.

vigorito said:
does our z1c is water resistent in regular water only?or we can shoot pics or videos up to 1 meter in the ocean too?
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Actually in ocean water there is a chance of getting short circuit through magnetic charger pin.. So sony dont recommend to use it in ocean water but I saw someone in xda reported that z1c survived ocean water...
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coolkoushik07 said:
Actually in ocean water there is a chance of getting short circuit through magnetic charger pin.. So sony dont recommend to use it in ocean water but I saw someone in xda reported that z1c survived ocean water...
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In order to actually cause any damage the current must be pretty large, that's not going to happen in ocean water. What could happen is dock mode being triggered, and the phone might think its charging, but I doubt it would cause any permanent damage.

Rekoil said:
In order to actually cause any damage the current must be pretty large, that's not going to happen in ocean water. What could happen is dock mode being triggered, and the phone might think its charging, but I doubt it would cause any permanent damage.
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I have read it somewhere that sony officially warned to not to use in ocean user.. It is better to be warned than blaming the phone later..
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coolkoushik07 said:
I have read it somewhere that sony officially warned to not to use in ocean user.. It is better to be warned than blaming the phone later..
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I doubt Sony have said anything official beyond what they state in their IP58 certification where it specifically says "clean water". Meaning water with a neutral pH value. The reason for this is the salts and other chemicals in seawater start to corrode the O-ring in our seals, eventually causing them to leak.

well i will report in a first or second week of july if phone survive salt water,ill test it while shooting vids and pictures of the ocean reff,like i said ill try to use it 5-6 days maximum 30 minutes a day in a several times

I would say that it can survive, provided the flaps are closed and the phone is still waterproof.
like few posts above, the salt in the water may actually damage the loudspeaker and corrode the rings. don't forget its made of metal.
i think its ok to use it for few pics for quick video but needs fresh water cleaning after to clean up the salt in the headphones jack or the speakerphone.
also if u take a macro pic of the camera lens, there is small gap between the back cover and the glass (check my posts i posted some nice macro shots of the camera lens) so things might get inside.
think about the waterproofing as a protection, not as a feature.
so get a call in the rain, but don't go swimming / snorkeling every chance you have.

Didnt understand this with macro pics
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[Q] Anyone gone swimming or showered with the Moto360 ?

Anyone gone swimming or showered with the Moto360 ?
Sorry if the question sounds absurd but would like to hear if anyone has done so or done so regularly and if there are any issues. I practically wear my casio 24x7 ... so just wanted to know.
Thanks.

The moto 360 IS NOT RATED FOR SHOWER OR POOL. If you look up what the ip67 rating really is, the device cannot withstand forceful jets of water or extended submersion. It was designed to withstand dust and short immersion or gentle splashes - NOT hot shower jets or extended submersion in the pool. I have seen a lot of misunderstanding on what exactly the device is rated for and would hate to see people trash their watches assuming its "waterproof" because it is not.

fwayfarer said:
The moto 360 IS NOT RATED FOR SHOWER OR POOL. If you look up what the ip67 rating really is, the device cannot withstand forceful jets of water or extended submersion. It was designed to withstand dust and short immersion or gentle splashes - NOT hot shower jets or extended submersion in the pool. I have seen a lot of misunderstanding on what exactly the device is rated for and would hate to see people trash their watches assuming its "waterproof" because it is not.
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Thanks. I just don't understand if it is really that much harder to make it fully waterproof when so many normal watches are water proof.
I wonder if the limitation is really around the wireless charging as most waterproof watches needs a steel back screwed on or due to the touch screen.

Well there are several spots that water could eventually infiltrate, if hot and or if a jet spray. The button, the back, the USB sticker, etc. Also, with a smart watch it is definitely more difficult to seal as opposed to a full steel case with screwed on back plate as you mentioned. To top it off, if I were Motorola I would stay conservative on what I had the device rated for to try to keep down issues of people seeing "waterproof" and going hog wild at the amusement park or cash wash with high pressure spray hitting the device.

Here's a video try:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khmC5EwdwqQ
And here's what Moto says:
Is my Moto 360 water resistant and water proof?
Moto 360 is water resistance, meaning it can sustain sweat and rain.
Water resistant in up to 1 meter of fresh water for up to 30 minutes. Exposure of leather band to water is not recommended.
Note: Moto 360 is IP67 rated.
That being said, I have not tried it.

I used mine in the shower its was fine however the water makes the screen flip out because it detected the water as the screen being touched which is normal however because the display can be waked by tapping it it was difficult to stop it from doing things while wet. So yes you should be fine in the shower. however if you decide to do anything ridiculous with yours don't come crying to me about water damage. I'm not liable for your actions. but mine was fine.

I drive a motorcycle, have been caught in some heavy rain with the M360, no issues thus far. Everything works fine.
I wouldn't recommend swimming in a pool or taking a shower with it on, there is no point really.

Well I mean I poured a bottle of water over mine to freak out my friends, but that is within the ip67 certification. Shower and pool really aren't.

Showered and washed dishes with it.
Like some people said- the screen flips out if you shower with it, as it senses every little drop of water as if it's been touched.
EDIT- btw, jets of water in the shower?? What kind of awesome jet shower head do you guys have?? Mine just spits water out with a very reasonable amount of pressure.

Btw I read on motos support site that they don't replace devices with water damage so I'd be very careful
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Safe to wash hands with it, you think?
I work in a restaurant and I'm always washing my hands.

raduque said:
Safe to wash hands with it, you think?
I work in a restaurant and I'm always washing my hands.
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I work in a hospital and have no problems washing my hands... But I do take off the watch to take a shower.

You can't wear it in the shower, because as others have stated the screen goes ape-sh*t...
Same goes with jacuzzi or probably pool...
My Gear 2 had the option of only waking the screen by pushing the button, but 360 doesn't have that option yet

Wore my gear 2 in the shower all the time and they are rated the same. I never had any issues... I got that thing wet all the time never had an issue. Wore it in the river for about 4 hours and was fine as well. That is until I got tackled and it went floating down the river haha
Also know someone who threw their Galaxy S5 in a hot tub for 30 minutes and it was fine!

I shower with mine all the time. I use WearLocker to lock the screen so it doesn't go crazy. No issues so far.

It is high time there was a consumer protection law requiring all manufacturers provide free repair for water damage of water resistant, waterproof or weather-sealed products, regardless of warranty status unless a) the device is clearly labeled with a maximum depth and the manufacturer can prove it was exceeded, or b) the manufacturer can prove the damage happened prior to immersion. As is, it borders on fraud to advertise a product as capable of withstanding one meter immersion for half an hour, and to then say water damage is not covered under warranty in any circumstances.
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fylim said:
Thanks. I just don't understand if it is really that much harder to make it fully waterproof when so many normal watches are water proof.
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Just so you know, there is absolutely no such thing as a "waterproof" watch. There are only varying levels of resistance. Even watches that are rated to a depth of 100m can't have their buttons pushed while under water; they'll leak. Diving watches also have limits. Ever noticed how much larger electronic devices are when they are certified for diving? Do you really want that on your wrist? There's additional concerns with a device like this as well...as in the discharge of heat. You don't want the processor to overheat just because the whole thing has been insulated against water to a ridiculous degree. And it has a capacitive display. Not so great in water. Not really necessary to further waterproof the thing. (A little bit more would be nice...perhaps IP68?).

fwayfarer said:
The moto 360 IS NOT RATED FOR SHOWER OR POOL. If you look up what the ip67 rating really is, the device cannot withstand forceful jets of water or extended submersion. It was designed to withstand dust and short immersion or gentle splashes - NOT hot shower jets or extended submersion in the pool. I have seen a lot of misunderstanding on what exactly the device is rated for and would hate to see people trash their watches assuming its "waterproof" because it is not.
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WTF I already took mine scuba diving 30m and it's fine!
The water just drained right out :laugh:

There's just something about electronics and water that has always frightened me.

knoxploration said:
It is high time there was a consumer protection law requiring all manufacturers provide free repair for water damage of water resistant, waterproof or weather-sealed products, regardless of warranty status unless a) the device is clearly labeled with a maximum depth and the manufacturer can prove it was exceeded, or b) the manufacturer can prove the damage happened prior to immersion. As is, it borders on fraud to advertise a product as capable of withstanding one meter immersion for half an hour, and to then say water damage is not covered under warranty in any circumstances.
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I strongly disagree. Companies should not have to pay for the lack of common sense on the users' part.

Is Moto 360 "waterproof"?

Hi
I sail kayak from time to time and just got the Moto 360. I normally don't fall over, but if I do can it withstand being in sea water for a minute or two? Also can it withstand the splash from water on it? This is salt water, which I know is "harder" on waterproof devices.
Thanks in advance

Faspaiso said:
Hi
I sail kayak from time to time and just got the Moto 360. I normally don't fall over, but if I do can it withstand being in sea water for a minute or two? Also can it withstand the splash from water on it? This is salt water, which I know is "harder" on waterproof devices.
Thanks in advance
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It is not waterproof, only splash proof. If you submerge it, water will get inside.

xdatastic said:
It is not waterproof, only splash proof. If you submerge it, water will get inside.
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Just thought (even Moto 360 says this) that it can be submerged into water (1 meter max) for 30 minutes, but is that "normal" water or can I do it in salt water too?

https://motorola-global-portal.cust...od_answer_detail/a_id/100972/p/1422,8199,8200
Note that it says no swimming. That means any additional pressure such as movement under water could damage it.

xdatastic said:
https://motorola-global-portal.cust...od_answer_detail/a_id/100972/p/1422,8199,8200
Note that it says no swimming. That means any additional pressure such as movement under water could damage it.
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Thanks

Water resistant/proof?

I cant find i fo if the watch is water proof or not. When i wash my hands, I am careful not the make the watch wet, but anyone found an official statement on how water resistant this watch is?
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It is rated at IP67 which means Protected from total dust ingress. Protected from immersion between 15 centimeters and 1 meter in depth.

Yep, IP67. But with that said, on page 8 of the QSG that comes with the watch:
Water resistance
You can wear your HUAWEI WATCH when you're washing your hands or
in the rain. But wipe it dry if it comes into contact with water.
Do not wear it when washing cars, swimming, diving, scuba diving,
or showering.
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Max Lee on you tube says he showers with his,and shows video,however pretty quick,of the watch in a bowl of water.
For now I take mine off to shower.