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Question is the same as the title, are there other users on XDA who have considered upgrading or buying the Snapdragon Dual Sim Note 10+ over the N975F?. I am aware of the general uniqueness of the Hong Kong/Latin American/Brazilian Snapdragon devices as they have unlocked bootloaders compared to their US and Canadian counterparts. I've been doing research on these phones ever since I knew of the existence of the HK Note 8.
Development wise these N9xx0 devices don't see much development due to the rarity/relative uniqueness of these versions, but I was curious if anyone was checking for this to use instead of the Exynos Note 10+ in the US, Canada, UK, Australia and the rest of the world. I'm particularly interested in hearing from people on AT&T, T-Mobile and their respective MVNOs as I am considering getting this one to use on MetroPCS. In terms of bands I wonder if it will work out of the box similar to a user who had his Hong Kong S10+ work on T-Mobile with Wi-Fi calling/VoLTE even with the TGY CSC.
If they have an oem Bootloader Unlock like the S10's did I will definitely be getting that model over the F. There is still a shocking distance between the two chips in benchmarks, the snapdragon versions performing 20% better than the exynos versions. I will hold out for some extended use testing to come out, but it seems unlikely to change the data much. I need as much performance as I can get from my chip, and I don't really need custom roms to achieve a smooth workflow or customized experience.
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BTW I don't worry much about bands with any of the new flagships coming out. You can verify on frequency checker, but most phones these days come with the same modems in all models. My last phone was a Chinese model Mate 20 X and it had no problem with international roaming on Google fi and got 4g on any chip I threw at it.
Idont know where you plan to use your device, but in many forums of other samsung devices, people getting devices from other countries, have sometimes problems regarding bands, carrier services, software updates, and most important no way to claim warranty
Mainland China = SG chip / 5G / 256gb / dual sim / limited bands
Hong Kong = SG chip / LTE only / 512gb / dual sim / limited bands
US unlocked = SG chip / LTE only / 512gb / single sim / full bands
In my case, I want dual sim but HK version doesn’t have LTE 66 and 71 which T-Mobile uses. So I am still debating.
NoteSeriesEnthusiast27 said:
Question is the same as the title, are there other users on XDA who have considered upgrading or buying the Snapdragon Dual Sim Note 10+ over the N975F?. I am aware of the general uniqueness of the Hong Kong/Latin American/Brazilian Snapdragon devices as they have unlocked bootloaders compared to their US and Canadian counterparts. I've been doing research on these phones ever since I knew of the existence of the HK Note 8.
Development wise these N9xx0 devices don't see much development due to the rarity/relative uniqueness of these versions, but I was curious if anyone was checking for this to use instead of the Exynos Note 10+ in the US, Canada, UK, Australia and the rest of the world. I'm particularly interested in hearing from people on AT&T, T-Mobile and their respective MVNOs as I am considering getting this one to use on MetroPCS. In terms of bands I wonder if it will work out of the box similar to a user who had his Hong Kong S10+ work on T-Mobile with Wi-Fi calling/VoLTE even with the TGY CSC.
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I'm using N975F and it has dual sim
Hi all
I just realised that my Samsung UK Note 10+ is not using Snapdragon 855 but the Exynos 9825. I thought the Exynos CPU is only available in Canada and the far east.
I have to say, if I knew that Samsung were selling the Exynos edition on their website I wouldn't have ordered it. I'm afraid to ask if I'm missing anything as I was under the impression that the Exynos are inferior to the Snapdragon CPUs.
Exynos is the European chip.
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Snapdragons are mainly gor USA, Canada and Hong Kong, because of some country/carrier regulations, the rest of the world use exynos, which are somewhat "inferior" in some areas, not all, mainly batt usage, as for performance, side by side the difference is really little
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Snapdragons are mainly for USA, Canada, and Hong Kong, because of some country/carrier regulations, the rest of the world use exynos, which are somewhat "inferior" in some areas, not all, mainly batt usage, as for performance, side by side the difference is really little
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I believe it's the other way around in the best case. Battery usage is almost the same (They claim SD to have better standby drain, but I can't tell). While performance is way better on the SD, especially in gaming where the Adrino graphics processor performs much better than the Mali.
What's wrong with the Exynos variants ?
I'm in the UK and my S8+ / Note 9 where both Exynos and there was absolutely no perceivable difference after years of using a SD powered device.
Frankly not getting a device because of the processor difference between SD / Exy is just pure arrogance / stupidity.
Both vairents are Rootable so people can't even argue that anymore.
I agree with you, exynos variants are indeed excellent, SD versions may be slightly better, but not as to despise Exynos ones
hutzdani said:
What's wrong with the Exynos variants ?
I'm in the UK and my S8+ / Note 9 where both Exynos and there was absolutely no perceivable difference after years of using a SD powered device.
Frankly not getting a device because of the processor difference between SD / Exy is just pure arrogance / stupidity.
Both vairents are Rootable so people can't even argue that anymore.
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Battery drain on the Exynos variant is a fact. I have both versions of the phone and with SD I have far better cellular reception and WiFi and less to non battery drain on standby.
I live in London.
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Battery drain on the Exynos variant is a fact. I have both versions of the phone and with SD I have far better cellular reception and WiFi and less to non battery drain on standby.
I live in London.
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Can I ask if the SD Note 10+ gets OTA updates in the UK and (at least) Google Pay works?
There are some reasonably priced handsets on eBay, mostly from Switzerland that look quite attractive (4G variants),
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Can I ask if the SD Note 10+ gets OTA updates in the UK and (at least) Google Pay works?
There are some reasonably priced handsets on eBay, mostly from Switzerland that look quite attractive (4G variants),
TIA
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Yes and yes!
I got it from an eBay seller - shipped from Swiss
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Any reason to get an Exynos version over Snap Dragon?
I am mainly hesitating between 2 Snapdragon variants... N9750 from Hong Kong or the global N975F. Both dual sim.
Anyone know of a reason to go with one va the other? For one, the 9750 seems to have only 2 CSCs. Slower roll-out of patches maybe?
Exynos If you plan to root and mod the phone. There's always more development for Exynos phones.
Thanks. I need to keep it stock for mobile payment and other apps that won’t run if rooted. Any feature related reasons or availability of anything else outside of customization or development?
I seem to be missing the advantage of the TGY or BRI variants.
Thanks,
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Any reason to get an Exynos version over Snap Dragon?
I am mainly hesitating between 2 Snapdragon variants... N9750 from Hong Kong or the global N975F. Both dual sim.
Anyone know of a reason to go with one va the other? For one, the 9750 seems to have only 2 CSCs. Slower roll-out of patches maybe?
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The only reason I went with the 9750 was that supposedly Snapdragon variants have better performance and battery life, however, unlike the G9650 (analogous variant for the S9+), the N9750 actually lost a couple frequency bands compared to the N975F, rendering the former useless on carriers that utilize 3G AWS.
The 975F would be, I would expect, the superior choice if you love tinkering with ROM variants and especially if you plan on signing up for the next OS beta, but don't happen to live in the US, India or Germany (for example)
Last but not least, some users I have exchanged information with on XDA are more or less convinced that the SD variants have much better RF.
Ah, thanks. Slightly better RF is a common comment I heard so far. I was hoping to hear a real world comment on the newer Exynos though. Compared to the S10, the note is said to have access to a newer Exynos SoC.
I don’t plan on using nothing but stick firmware. Which CSC is the question as I travel a lot and use 3 sims from different csc.
With this in mind, are you happy you got the 9750 vs the 975F? Should I care at this point or both are really so similar? I am not looking for any Hong Kong Specific features. And when I roam there I don’t even use a local sim.
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waqqas.khokhar said:
The only reason I went with the 9750 was that supposedly Snapdragon variants have better performance and battery life, however, unlike the G9650 (analogous variant for the S9+), the N9750 actually lost a couple frequency bands compared to the N975F, rendering the former useless on carriers that utilize 3G AWS.
The 975F would be, I would expect, the superior choice if you love tinkering with ROM variants and especially if you plan on signing up for the next OS beta, but don't happen to live in the US, India or Germany (for example)
Last but not least, some users I have exchanged information with on XDA are more or less convinced that the SD variants have much better RF.
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Oh, and are you running a multi csc firmware? If so, does OZW or OZS?
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Ah, thanks. Slightly better RF is a common comment I heard so far. I was hoping to hear a real world comment on the newer Exynos though. Compared to the S10, the note is said to have access to a newer Exynos SoC.
I don’t plan on using nothing but stick firmware. Which CSC is the question as I travel a lot and use 3 sims from different csc.
With this in mind, are you happy you got the 9750 vs the 975F? Should I care at this point or both are really so similar? I am not looking for any Hong Kong Specific features. And when I roam there I don’t even use a local sim.
Thanks,
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I'm happy in that my device is definitely stable and fast, while I have admittedly never held a N975F, however.
My only gripe is that the 9750 is among the last Note 10 4G models to get updates. That said, it's not like Samsung is holding out on 9750 users (without reason) as the update version eventually released does have a newer version and build than the others that preceded it.
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Oh, and are you running a multi csc firmware? If so, does OZW or OZS?
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I'm running the only multi CSC firmware available for the 9750, which is for BRI and TGY. BRI is the default, but I have used Samkey to switch the CSC to TGY.
waqqas.khokhar said:
I'm happy in that my device is definitely stable and fast, while I have admittedly never held a N975F, however.
My only gripe is that the 9750 is among the last Note 10 4G models to get updates. That said, it's not like Samsung is holding out on 9750 users (without reason) as the update version eventually released does have a newer version and build than the others that preceded it.
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I'm running the only multi CSC firmware available for the 9750, which is for BRI and TGY. BRI is the default, but I have used Samkey to switch the CSC to TGY.
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Thanks for this. I was just reading in another thread where a user got the Star Wars firmware supposedly for the 9750 variant. Have you tried it? I wonder if it's still limited to BRI/TGY. You have not tried it by any chance?
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Exynos If you plan to root and mod the phone. There's always more development for Exynos phones.
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One of the main SIM I use with the phone is Telcel. I rotate between 3/4 sims with 2 at a time obviously. You wouldn't have tried AT&T or Telcel (MX for both) in that model would you by any chance? If so, which ROM and did VoLTE and Wifi calling work?
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Thanks for this. I was just reading in another thread where a user got the Star Wars firmware supposedly for the 9750 variant. Have you tried it? I wonder if it's still limited to BRI/TGY. You have not tried it by any chance?
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Sorry, I have not heard of it (for the 9750) nor tried it.
I thought all Snapdragon processor used devices where u.s. version devices.and that all exynos processor devices where international devices.I want to buy a international device Samsung galaxy s20 plus that I can root and flash different roms and mods on too. Which International Version device would you buy if you wanted to place Round 2 mods onto is there any particular one or just any International device. Because all u.s. versions of the s20 plus cannot be rooted and romed correct. Thanks In advance!!!
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I thought all Snapdragon processor used devices where u.s. version devices.and that all exynos processor devices where international devices.I want to buy a international device Samsung galaxy s20 plus that I can root and flash different roms and mods on too. Which International Version device would you buy if you wanted to place Round 2 mods onto is there any particular one or just any International device. Because all u.s. versions of the s20 plus cannot be rooted and romed correct. Thanks In advance!!!
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There are some international devices with snapdragon sold in korea hongkong tiwan & china not only us and the have unlockable bootloader and can be rooted also
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I thought all Snapdragon processor used devices where u.s. version devices.and that all exynos processor devices where international devices.I want to buy a international device Samsung galaxy s20 plus that I can root and flash different roms and mods on too. Which International Version device would you buy if you wanted to place Round 2 mods onto is there any particular one or just any International device. Because all u.s. versions of the s20 plus cannot be rooted and romed correct. Thanks In advance!!!
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The International Snapdragon variants have a better SoC however being in Denmark you won't get some Carrier Features the Exynos variants offer, that's the trade off.
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The International Snapdragon variants have a better SoC however being in Denmark you won't get some Carrier Features the Exynos variants offer, that's the trade off.
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So what international version of the Samsung s20 plus would you recommend if you lived in the u.s. and your carrier was t-mobile. Thanks In advance!!!
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GDane1 said:
So what international version of the Samsung s20 plus would you recommend if you lived in the u.s. and your carrier was t-mobile. Thanks In advance!!!
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I have the Hong Kong variant on T-mobile. Advantages - Snapdragon SoC, no carrier bloatware, close to pure android, dual sims, unlocked bootloader, price ($745 on eBay). Disadvantages - Warranty repair would be difficult, no 5G yet or carrier aggregation. Highly recommend, my S8, S9 and S10, all Hong Kong variants, never had any problems whatsoever.
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I have the Hong Kong variant on T-mobile. Advantages - Snapdragon SoC, no carrier bloatware, close to pure android, dual sims, unlocked bootloader, price ($745 on eBay). Disadvantages - Warranty repair would be difficult, no 5G yet or carrier aggregation. Highly recommend, my S8, S9 and S10, all Hong Kong variants, never had any problems whatsoever.
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i have a sprint g988u and connect to tmo 5g network just fine
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i have a sprint g988u and connect to tmo 5g network just fine
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I was referring to the Hong Kong variant, diffierent than your device. I've read some users of the HK device are able to get 5G from US Carriers using SIM 2.
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I was referring to the Hong Kong variant, diffierent than your device. I've read some users of the HK device are able to get 5G from US Carriers using SIM 2.
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dunno.. g988u is a usa model and is a 5g model lol.. and also can be bl unlocked
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elliwigy said:
dunno.. g988u is a usa model and is a 5g model lol.. and also can be bl unlocked
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You should post a guide on how to unlock the bootloader on the US model. To my knowledge no one has been able to achieve this.
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You should post a guide on how to unlock the bootloader on the US model. To my knowledge no one has been able to achieve this.
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there is no guide.. also not my method.. i cant replicate it anyway since im pretty sure it involves tokens/servers
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I have the Hong Kong variant on T-mobile. Advantages - Snapdragon SoC, no carrier bloatware, close to pure android, dual sims, unlocked bootloader, price ($745 on eBay). Disadvantages - Warranty repair would be difficult, no 5G yet or carrier aggregation. Highly recommend, my S8, S9 and S10, all Hong Kong variants, never had any problems whatsoever.
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So you don't feel the data transfer rate without carrier aggregation shows enough difference to matter?
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So you don't feel the data transfer rate without carrier aggregation shows enough difference to matter?
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Not to me, I typically download large files on my laptop via WiFi then transfer them to my device. I'm a frequent flyer so I watch movies (torrents) which are typically 2GB. Not sure how long that would take to download on my device via T-mobile but it's not significantly faster than WiFi. When mmWave is widely avaliable Carrier Aggregation will be more valuable but right now High-band 5G is comparable to WiFi file transfer speeds. That's a small inconvenience compared to the benefits the device offers.
@varcor did you change the CSC to see if CA works ?
I'm assuming you're on TGY. I'm also in the USA and think changing to BRI might increase ca bands.
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@varcor did you change the CSC to see if CA works ?
I'm assuming you're on TGY. I'm also in the USA and think changing to BRI might increase ca bands.
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No, my CSC is TGY. I live in Mexico but use T-mobile since they offer free calls and data in collaboration with Mexico's largest telcom Telcel. Even when I'm in the US I don't have CA. I haven't gone to T-mobile to ask if they can configure CA but I doubt they can on the SM-G9860 or SM-G9880 regardless of the CSC. I use a laptop with Wifi for large downloads so it's not a priority. I do get Wifi Calling and VoLTE even in Mexico, YMMV depending on your service provider. Also I've read BRI has some issues so I'm not inclined to make the switch. This thread may give you further insight.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s20/help/sm-g9880-bri-taiwan-vs-tgy-hk-t4090635/page3/amp/
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No, my CSC is TGY. I live in Mexico but use T-mobile since they offer free calls and data in collaboration with Mexico's largest telcom Telcel. Even when I'm in the US I don't have CA. I haven't gone to T-mobile to ask if they can configure CA but I doubt they can on the SM-G9860 or SM-G9880 regardless of the CSC. I use a laptop with Wifi for large downloads so it's not a priority. I do get Wifi Calling and VoLTE even in Mexico, YMMV depending on your service provider. Also I've read BRI has some issues so I'm not inclined to make the switch. This thread may give you further insight.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s20/help/sm-g9880-bri-taiwan-vs-tgy-hk-t4090635/page3/amp/
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That link is google amped , perhaps you can edit it to make it viewable, thanks.
I was just curious to know if someone had changed their CSC to BRI and if it enabled CA.
I believe the first thing to be gathered is what bands are CA enable on the BRI CSC before even proceeding with anything else.
Also before flashing to attain CA I think one needs to compare tgy and bri CA combos.
Edit. Read that already, mainly non americans discussing attaining 5G on their respective countries.
i unlocked my bootloader yesterday and cannot for the life of me flash anything to my phone. im trying to get lineage on it and no atter what i try to do i recieve an error only official samsung binaries are alloweed to be flashed (recovery) if anyone knows what im doing wrong please assist .
s20+ sprint
knox not tripped
phone boots and informs me that bootloader is unlocked
i havnt done anything yet other then flash the token to unlock .
thanks in advance
I'm helping a friend pick a new phone. Obviously the UW model can be bought marginally cheaper through device payments. However, the drop in specs from the regular S20 is probably more noticeable than the lack of UWB. They find the S20+ too large.
For use on Verizon, has anyone noticed a significant reason to pick one over the other? Reception is a major consideration as well. I know some models lack certain bands or have stronger/weaker antennas.
You know the answer. If you want uwb get verizon s20