Hey Guys,
i have a problem with my Nexus 5X since weeks and now I think I have founded the problem. On daily usage, in games or in Benchmarks: the two big Cores are always stopped. Bit I don't know why. I have tested it with some Games, Geekbench and CPU-Z. Can anyone help me?
Thanks
chris.k00 said:
Hey Guys,
i have a problem with my Nexus 5X since weeks and now I think I have founded the problem. On daily usage, in games or in Benchmarks: the two big Cores are always stopped. Bit I don't know why. I have tested it with some Games, Geekbench and CPU-Z. Can anyone help me?
Thanks
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The thermal throttle stops the big cores when they reach a certain temperature. It's "normal" behavior on this cpu.
But they are stopped all time. When I Power on the device and start a big game, when I wake up the device after a while and play a big game... ever! Temperatures are round about 55°C
If you're on one of the Android N Dev Previews then it is probably the well known bug that shuts the big cores off. If you're on Marshmallow then it is most likely thermal throttling. I think the big cores turn off at about 45C.
Okay. But why does my device heat up so fast? I have read a few Tests and the Processor never gets hotter then 42°C.
chris.k00 said:
Okay. But why does my device heat up so fast? I have read a few Tests and the Processor never gets hotter then 42°C.
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It's your use mostlikely, e.g. camera (, cpu intensive games, benchmarks etc) takes all the cpu power possible, that'll heat up your device into range of thermal throttling in no time, while one can browser normal websides for hours without any signifcant heat building up.
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I think it's a general misunderstanding of how a big.little cluster cpu works. Those aren't 6 equal cores, the big ones are (most of the time) just there for short term boosts and otherwise drag down performance overall, especially when the cpu heats up. I can see a much higher use of the big cores e.g. when loading websides compared to gaming, where it comes down to how the game can run on the remaining cores (little ones) after a few minutes.
But the Cores shouldn't heat up after a few seconds, should they? And they are simply alsways off.
I have tested it with the Geekbench 3, Smash Hit and the Camera App. The results like the temperature and the clock Speed came from CPU-Z.
My Standard result of the Geekbench is 650 and 2500 points. The two big Cores are stopped and the temperature is round about 50°C
The Standard witch I have found in the Internet was 1300 and 3600 points. The temperature shoult be round about 42°C-44°C
Everywhere I looked they said that the OnePlus 3 has the least thermal throttling and best sustained performance of any phone out there. But nobody discussed why exactly it did not throttle while other phones did. Everyone simply said "Oh they must have very good thermal management or something". Then I saw a video comparing the temperatures of the ZTE axon 7 and the OnePlus 3 (google "Zte axon 7 vs OnePlus 3 antutu thermal throttling"), it turns out the reason the OnePlus 3 doesn't throttle isn't some magical thermal dissipation and management, it's solely because they raised the temperature at which the phone would throttle to beyond comfortable zones. In the video with just a few iterations of Antutu CPU test, the OnePlus 3 metal skin's temperature reached a scorching 47 degrees Celcius. Google shows that holding anything metal at 50 degrees Celcius for more than a brief moment can cause tissue damage (1st degree burns). And this phone was just shy of that temperature during Antutu's benchmarks when only the CPU was running, so can you imagine what temperatures it would reach when you're playing a highly graphical game where both CPU and GPU are being taxed at the same time? Why does nobody talk about this?
nothing to worry about IMO
Roykooiman said:
nothing to worry about IMO
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Thank you for your useless opinion friend.
The only game i play on the one plus it's hearthstone but I don't notice an high temperature during session ... I think a benchmark it's one of the most stressful things you can do with your smartphone...
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nardustyle said:
The only game i play on the one plus it's hearthstone but I don't notice an high temperature during session ... I think a benchmark it's one of the most stressful things you can do with your smartphone...
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No actually Hearthstone is not a demanding game at all, not even remotely. In fact an iphone 4 could run it without busting a sweat. And many games can actually be more stressful than a benchmark because you would be running both CPU and GPU at the same time and would likely be running the GPU at 100%. Most GPU benchmarks run the GPU at 100% too but without using the CPU at the same time.
A non issue imo
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=CrK3C9VLuTg
ohyesman said:
A non issue imo
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=CrK3C9VLuTg
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I can't figure out why the hell that idiot in the video used real racing as a benchmark. Do these people even know what a GPU or CPU is?
Anyway, that video is not reliable, especially since the OnePlus 3 uses a 1080p display and has to push far less pixels than those other phones, that game does not tax the phone's hardware in any way shape or form.
The CPU starts throttling at 75°C like pretty much any other phone out there... This thing just dissipates heat better than any other Android phone out there which is why the chassis heats up a bit more. Don't worry it doesn't get that hot at all
crzykiller said:
This thing just dissipates heat better than any other Android phone out there which is why the chassis heats up a bit more. Don't worry it doesn't get that hot at all
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Proof?
Pong Lenis said:
Proof?
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The fact that there's a lot of us out here using the phone, but as far as I've seen zero reports of people getting burnt by hot phones, in. Y experience it stays way cooler to the touch than either of my last two phones (Xperia z2 and Samsung s3).
While playing games my Red Magic 6 phone does get quite warm even with the built in fan. Is the Dual Core Cooler or Pro Ice Dock for the Red Magic 6 worth buying to keep the temps down.
While playing games like Genshin Impact temps can reach somewhere around 37°C to around 40°C on medium settings (or 48°C when playing at max settings)
The typical normal CPU temperatures with mobile devices range between 30 to 35 °C continuous browsing considering the ambient temperature around is close to 27 to 30 °C. When it comes to heavy gaming the temperatures soar at 40 to 44 °C.
Take note that a high CPU temperature is not caused by the CPU itself. Games generally do not put pressure on CPU, but on the GPU. The GPU usage for the 3D HD games are generally very high, and can cause such temperature increase. So yes, that kind of 'GPU' temperature is normal while gaming
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The typical normal CPU temperatures with mobile devices range between 30 to 35 °C continuous browsing considering the ambient temperature around is close to 27 to 30 °C. When it comes to heavy gaming the temperatures soar at 40 to 44 °C.
Take note that a high CPU temperature is not caused by the CPU itself. Games generally do not put pressure on CPU, but on the GPU. The GPU usage for the 3D HD games are generally very high, and can cause such temperature increase. So yes, that kind of 'GPU' temperature is normal while gaming
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So is it not worth getting the Red Magic Dual Core Cooler
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The typical normal CPU temperatures with mobile devices range between 30 to 35 °C continuous browsing considering the ambient temperature around is close to 27 to 30 °C. When it comes to heavy gaming the temperatures soar at 40 to 44 °C.
Take note that a high CPU temperature is not caused by the CPU itself. Games generally do not put pressure on CPU, but on the GPU. The GPU usage for the 3D HD games are generally very high, and can cause such temperature increase. So yes, that kind of 'GPU' temperature is normal while gaming
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Hi there,
May i reconfirm again which temperature is the most concerned part for a gaming smartphone? Is it its cpu or the battery?
I experienced quite frequently overheat issue as cpu temperature could reach 50°c while the battery boost up till 45°c and it boasting rapidly until you can feel the stress when you are gaming in warm surrounding.
Attached is my reference using cpu/gpu meter notification app
imNazreen said:
Hi there,
May i reconfirm again which temperature is the most concerned part for a gaming smartphone? Is it its cpu or the battery?
I experienced quite frequently overheat issue as cpu temperature could reach 50°c while the battery boost up till 45°c and it boasting rapidly until you can feel the stress when you are gaming in warm surrounding.
Attached is my reference using cpu/gpu meter notification app
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I can only measure the battery temperature on this phone. And it reports that the temps rise from 35°C to 47°C - 50°C. Right now I haven't played anything so temps are really low, but this is the only way I can measure it.
Hello my Poco f3 8gb 256gb is heating when I play PUBG on 90fps and 120hz on my screen the battery temp is 47c and the CPU temp is 65c is it dangerous and what are the temp that ok for phone will gaming ?
The maximum it can take is over 100°C, but the performance starts degrading at 65°C, the only smart thing to do is to either, Lower the graphics or lower the refresh rate, I know it sounds dumb but atleast it wont degrade your android experience!
So until 100c it's won't damage my phone ?
YOSSEF45601 said:
So until 100c it's won't damage my phone ?
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No over 60c is slowly damaging your phone, but the phone CAN handle 100c
Ok so if the CPU is over than 60c it's slowly damaging my phone cause I know CPU has built to work with high temperatures
100C is the limit for Intel and AMD processors, not mobile SOCs afaik. battery temperature of 47 is on the higher side and you might want to ditch the phone case.
Code:
/*
* Your warranty is now void.
* I am not responsible for bricked devices thermonuclear war, or you getting fired because the alarm app failed
* Please do some research if you have any concerns about what this MOD does before flashing it
* YOU are choosing to make these modifications, don't point fingers at me if something goes wrong
*/
Ladies and gentlemen,
A small modification for you with great and HOT results.
Changes I made to the thermal configuration:
-The default Virtual-SKIN-based throttling threshold was starting at 39 Celsius, that was removed and the "first" threshold value is now 55 Celsius (at 55C it will HARD throttle, throttling is not completely eliminated here on purpose and at 55C it will behave the same as the default throttling mechanism at that temperature).
Keep in mind that SOC will throttle regardless of when it hits its own TjMax values so you don't need to worry about any "meltdown". lol
- Display won't switch to 60Hz anymore and neither will the maximal possible brightness be reduced as it is normally happening with stock throttling thresholds.
So far I'm using this on EvoX ROM but this should work basically on ANY ROM as the throttling is relying on the same file and as far as I managed to observe (amount of ROMs checked out) it's the same on those ROMs.
Pros:
- Throttling thresholds are drastically increased, meaning if you experienced any HIGH FPS drops during playing any "heavy" games, this will prevent that from happening to an extent and time.
- Any apps that rely on high processing power, will have more space and time to work without being affected by thermal throttling
Cons:
- Depending on your usage and what exactly you do on your phone, the device could get uncomfortably warm in your hands, and battery temperature will raise MORE than you got used to it since the SOC won't be throttled that fast as it does on the stock. Keep in mind that high battery temps are not healthy, and they will cause faster degradation. Degradation occurs anyways, the question is only how fast based on the temps the battery is being exposed to. Many OEMs allow such temps, so, Pixel 7 series with this mod isn't anything different compared to them.
- If you're a heavy "gamer" and play some games like Genshin, TOF, COD (at 120fps), etc... (you'll have a smoother experience (less FPS drops) based on slower/weaker throttling) but I recommend always using a Peltier cooler to keep that battery and the device as cool as possible (regardless if this phone or another).
Why did I create this mod?
I personally use an app called MotionCam Pro. It's basically a RAW video recording app that relies on HIGH processing power (it records RAW DNG frames) and it heats up the device pretty fast, well, Pixel 6/Pro hits the throttling threshold really fast and it's causing the recording to drop A LOT of frames to a point that the footage recorded is not "usable".
With this mod, I can now shoot RAW videos for longer periods with almost no dropped frames and under higher ambient temps. Yes, the phone warms up much more, but it does the JOB for me and that's all that matters to me anyway. I don't care if I'll need to replace my battery after 1 year instead of 2 years because I lost maybe 15-20% of the battery capacity (I upgrade my phones almost yearly).
Have fun frying eggs on your phone.
Installation
- Flash via Magisk
- Reboot your device
- Enjoy
Keep in mind that this is a TEST MOD because I don't own the device and can't test it myself.
Feedback is appreciated.
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JohnTheFarm3r said:
Keep in mind that this is a TEST MOD because I don't own the device and can't test it myself.
Feedback is appreciated.
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This module increased the performance of pixel 6 pro by 25 % in the same temperature. Previously within 1/2min cpu would get 150-165k GIPS but after flashing module performance is stable around 200-220k GIPS . But the X1 cores aren't still being utilized to their fullest . It's still being limited to 1.5 Ghz even thou it can reach 2.8 Ghz . It there a way to tweak the module to completely remove this throttling at such low temperatures ? Even the awful snapdragon 888 doesn't even begin throttling before 40 °C
Mahbubur Rahman Siam said:
This module increased the performance of pixel 6 pro by 25 % in the same temperature. Previously within 1/2min cpu would get 150-165k GIPS but after flashing module performance is stable around 200-220k GIPS . But the X1 cores aren't still being utilized to their fullest . It's still being limited to 1.5 Ghz even thou it can reach 2.8 Ghz . It there a way to tweak the module to completely remove this throttling at such low temperatures ? Even the awful snapdragon 888 doesn't even begin throttling before 40 °C
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No, because the prime core is probably hitting the TJMax, hence it's throttling down. AFAIK, TjMax on Tensor G1 is set at 90c.
The cooling design inside the Pixel devices can't handle too much heat (thermal capacity is weak) so it's normal behavior for the CPU to scale down the frequencies based on the temperature limit on the CPU.
Also, don't mix the battery temps with the CPU temps. CPU reaches temperatures up to 90c on G1.
Also, even the 888 throttles when it hits the TJMax. That's completely normal throttling behavior to protect the chip from cooking up.
JohnTheFarm3r said:
No, because the prime core is probably hitting the TJMax, hence it's throttling down. AFAIK, TjMax on Tensor G1 is set at 90c.
The cooling design inside the Pixel devices can't handle too much heat, so it's normal behavior for the CPU to scale down the frequencies based on the temperature limit on the CPU.
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Well that's just bad design on Google's part can't do anything about that . Still this is huge improvement from the dog **** performance previously. Even throttled it's like a snap 865 . Unthrottled it would be like a snap 888
work well on my pixel 6 Pro ，March update
Mahbubur Rahman Siam said:
Well that's just bad design on Google's part can't do anything about that . Still this is huge improvement from the dog **** performance previously. Even throttled it's like a snap 865 . Unthrottled it would be like a snap 888
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Do you have the unthrottled magisk module,I want give it a try
Juuuuune said:
work well on my pixel 6 Pro ，March update
Do you have the unthrottled magisk module,I want give it a try
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You need a cooler for that . Also cpu will thermal throttle regardless of outside temperature as soon as it hits internal TJ max value . Your best bet is to use a aluminum foil inside your case to help with heat dissipation
So far so good. Will give feedback if there's anything weird.
All the work so far is normal, thank you very much for your work! I shared it with some of my friends (China, also using pixel6pro). Strangely, some of their mobile phones will be stuck in the start-up loop (boot Google Logo loading interface) after flashing into this mod. As far as I know, this problem has nothing to do with the system version.
JohnTheFarm3r said:
Code:
/*
* Your warranty is now void.
* I am not responsible for bricked devices thermonuclear war, or you getting fired because the alarm app failed
* Please do some research if you have any concerns about what this MOD does before flashing it
* YOU are choosing to make these modifications, don't point fingers at me if something goes wrong
*/
Ladies and gentlemen,
A small modification for you with great and HOT results.
Changes I made to the thermal configuration:
-The default Virtual-SKIN-based throttling threshold was starting at 39 Celsius, that was removed and the "first" threshold value is now 55 Celsius (at 55C it will HARD throttle, throttling is not completely eliminated here on purpose and at 55C it will behave the same as the default throttling mechanism at that temperature).
Keep in mind that SOC will throttle regardless of when it hits its own TjMax values so you don't need to worry about any "meltdown". lol
- Display won't switch to 60Hz anymore and neither will the maximal possible brightness be reduced as it is normally happening with stock throttling thresholds.
So far I'm using this on EvoX ROM but this should work basically on ANY ROM as the throttling is relying on the same file and as far as I managed to observe (amount of ROMs checked out) it's the same on those ROMs.
Pros:
- Throttling thresholds are drastically increased, meaning if you experienced any HIGH FPS drops during playing any "heavy" games, this will prevent that from happening to an extent and time.
- Any apps that rely on high processing power, will have more space and time to work without being affected by thermal throttling
Cons:
- Depending on your usage and what exactly you do on your phone, the device could get uncomfortably warm in your hands, and battery temperature will raise MORE than you got used to it since the SOC won't be throttled that fast as it does on the stock. Keep in mind that high battery temps are not healthy, and they will cause faster degradation. Degradation occurs anyways, the question is only how fast based on the temps the battery is being exposed to. Many OEMs allow such temps, so, Pixel 7 series with this mod isn't anything different compared to them.
- If you're a heavy "gamer" and play some games like Genshin, TOF, COD (at 120fps), etc... (you'll have a smoother experience (less FPS drops) based on slower/weaker throttling) but I recommend always using a Peltier cooler to keep that battery and the device as cool as possible (regardless if this phone or another).
Why did I create this mod?
I personally use an app called MotionCam Pro. It's basically a RAW video recording app that relies on HIGH processing power (it records RAW DNG frames) and it heats up the device pretty fast, well, Pixel 6/Pro hits the throttling threshold really fast and it's causing the recording to drop A LOT of frames to a point that the footage recorded is not "usable".
With this mod, I can now shoot RAW videos for longer periods with almost no dropped frames and under higher ambient temps. Yes, the phone warms up much more, but it does the JOB for me and that's all that matters to me anyway. I don't care if I'll need to replace my battery after 1 year instead of 2 years because I lost maybe 15-20% of the battery capacity (I upgrade my phones almost yearly).
Have fun frying eggs on your phone.
Installation
- Flash via Magisk
- Reboot your device
- Enjoy
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This module has done wonders for the flagship experience of pixel 6 pro but after flashing this charging speed has gone total whacked . Normally pixel 6 pro would charge around 23W with screen turned off but after flashing this module the device charges around 9w max with screen turned off and with screen on it charges around 3w !!! Literally took 3.5 hours to charge with just music playing in background. I think it has someone to do with thermal threshold mismatch between charging and non-charging state . Changing the charging state thermal threshold to non charging thermal threshold should fix this behavior. I tried making my own module with this file but got bootloops . Can you a similar module for charging ?
Mahbubur Rahman Siam said:
This module has done wonders for the flagship experience of pixel 6 pro but after flashing this charging speed has gone total whacked . Normally pixel 6 pro would charge around 23W with screen turned off but after flashing this module the device charges around 9w max with screen turned off and with screen on it charges around 3w !!! Literally took 3.5 hours to charge with just music playing in background. I think it has someone to do with thermal threshold mismatch between charging and non-charging state . Changing the charging state thermal threshold to non charging thermal threshold should fix this behavior. I tried making my own module with this file but got bootloops . Can you a similar module for charging ?
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What cable/charger do you use?
I use a 100w rated Basesus C to C cable, with a 120w Basesus Power Supply, and my charge time is around 40 minutes from 30-40 percent with this mod installed.
I know SOME cables/chargers can be a littttttleeee bit touchy when it comes to power mods.
What is really annoying is the premature current limit. I use Xiaomi GaN-33W charger + CtoC cable/ Up to 6A cable. When the device is low temperature and low battery, the current of the rechargeable battery can reach 4.5A and the power reaches 20W +. However, once the temperature rises slightly（about 39℃？）, or the battery reaches about 65+, everything will deteriorate, and the current will drop sharply, with less than 3A remaining, and only 2A when it reaches 80 At this time, the power is only about 10W. The worst thing is that once the battery is higher than 90, the charging current will hover at 1A or even lower. You know that my Xiaomi 11X (4500mAh / Up to 33w) which only need 47 minutes to charge from 0 to 100, a huge gap， right？Google do a bad work for their phone.
Gytole said:
What cable/charger do you use?
I use a 100w rated Basesus C to C cable, with a 120w Basesus Power Supply, and my charge time is around 40 minutes from 30-40 percent with this mod installed.
I know SOME cables/chargers can be a littttttleeee bit touchy when it comes to power mods.
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Gytole said:
What cable/charger do you use?
I use a 100w rated Basesus C to C cable, with a 120w Basesus Power Supply, and my charge time is around 40 minutes from 30-40 percent with this mod installed.
I know SOME cables/chargers can be a littttttleeee bit touchy when it comes to power mods.
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Stock google charger with stock cable .
I made some changes to thermal file to fix charging throttling as well . Now charging won't get throttled because of temperature. Phone charges at full speed regardless of temperature I also made TEST file to disable throttling related to TJmax . Let me know if there are any issues.
Mahbubur Rahman Siam said:
I made some changes to thermal file to fix charging throttling as well . Now charging won't get throttled because of temperature. Phone charges at full speed regardless of temperature I also made TEST file to disable throttling related to TJmax . Let me know if there are any issues.
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So I want to keep the temperature control instead of disabling it which one should I use?
Juuuuune said:
So I want to keep the temperature control instead of disabling it which one should I use?
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The one without the word "TEST"
TeeJae360 said:
The one without the word "TEST"
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Thanks
Mahbubur Rahman Siam said:
You need a cooler for that . Also cpu will thermal throttle regardless of outside temperature as soon as it hits internal TJ max value . Your best bet is to use a aluminum foil inside your case to help with heat dissipation
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would aluminium foil actually help?
Mahbubur Rahman Siam said:
I made some changes to thermal file to fix charging throttling as well . Now charging won't get throttled because of temperature. Phone charges at full speed regardless of temperature I also made TEST file to disable throttling related to TJmax . Let me know if there are any issues.
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Would love to have one where it throttles MORE to keep device cooler for those who don't want more heat, basically the opposite of what you already have