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[Q] What 3D gaming performance should I be getting?

So, I seem to be getting really poor 3D performance out of my Galaxy Nexus, and would like to know if I should be worried.
Something like Shadowgun will fluctuate between running pretty smoothly (30-40 fps, I guess) and chopping noticeably (15-20 fps) on my phone, whereas other people report it running perfectly smoothly on their GNs. Even simpler 3D games like Wind-Up Knight or Cordy fail to run smoothly on my phone, constantly feeling a bit choppy and occasionally dropping to pretty bad framerates. A game that does run very smoothly is Minecraft, but it seems to be something of an exception.
What are your experiences? What version of Android are you running? I'm on 4.0.2 stock, and I'm trying to figure out if my issues have something to do with that (I've found some accounts of people claiming their performance dropped with the 4.0.2 update) or if my phone is actually not giving me the performance I should be getting.

I was playing Shadowgun last night and was amazed at how fast and smooth it was. No lag or stutter that I could notice, but I have no idea what fps I was pulling.
I'm running the latest GummyNex and Franco kernel. I highly recommend both.

njKeever said:
I was playing Shadowgun last night and was amazed at how fast and smooth it was. No lag or stutter that I could notice, but I have no idea what fps I was pulling.
I'm running the latest GummyNex and Franco kernel. I highly recommend both.
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Yeah, that doesn't sound at all like my experience. In the very first area of the game, the framerate was noticeably low on my phone, especially when looking out over the open area (it got a bit better when close to walls, etc.). And again, I'd like to find out if this difference is because I'm running 4.0.2 stock or if it's something else.
Could a certain GN unit really have significantly worse 3D performance than another without there being something seriously wrong with the GPU (which would probably show up in other ways as well, such as visual artifacts, etc.)? I seem to be getting similar scores to other non-overclocked GNs in benchmarks such as Antutu (yeah, I know they are not a good measure of performance, but I figured they could at least be useful when comparing the performance of different units of the same model).

Thermal throttling?

The German site golem.de reviewed the 6p and the 5x and said both were throttling after about 15 Minutes of playing Riptide GP 2 on full graphics setting.
Can anyone confirm this for the 5x? That's a bit unexpected for me...
Link:
http://www.golem.de/news/nexus-5x-u...-sind-ihren-preis-nicht-wert-1511-117247.html

I think I do feel thermal throttling as I can't explain the occasional lag I'm experiencing on my N5X.
When the lag happens, it happens but when it's ok, everything is smooth and I can't reproduce the lag by using same app/same steps..etc

I've been wondering about this as well. I know the 808 doesn't suck as much power as the 810 but the thermals of the device don't seem that great: heat seems to build up in the area between fingerprint sensor and the camera and the corresponding area on the screen. The screen in particular gets really hot.
I've been playing Uprising and it does seem sluggish once the device gets toasty. The gameplay feels OK but I wonder if the game sucks a bunch of CPU in the menu/inventory screens because that part seems to slow way down.
At first I though it might be running out of RAM but my experiments indicatesit might be heat. Restarting the device didn't really improve things (after it got hot again in a few minutes) but putting the device in the freezer for a few minutes does seem to help quite a bit, I did not notice the lags while the device felt cool in my hand...
Not a huge deal for me (I don't game much on my phone and it doesn't get nearly as hot doing lighter tasks) but kind of disappointing if true and heavier gamers expecting no throttling from 808 may have been let down sadly.

gizzmoffm said:
The German site golem.de reviewed the 6p and the 5x and said both were throttling after about 15 Minutes of playing Riptide GP 2 on full graphics setting.
Can anyone confirm this for the 5x? That's a bit unexpected for me...
Link:
http://www.golem.de/news/nexus-5x-u...-sind-ihren-preis-nicht-wert-1511-117247.html
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Where do they show that? I'm not seeing any charts or anything that would indicate a throttle test with results. Maybe they just mention it in the text which would be strange to not have an accompanying chart to show their results.
However it's not really unexpected when the same could be said for 90% of devices.
I checked CPUz after about an hour of gaming (in this case Hearthstone) and the 2 high powered cores had been disabled leaving the work to the lower powered cores. However those were reaching their full clock speed (1.4Ghz) as was the GPU (600Mhz).

thermal throttling due to battery charging seems to be a big issue for me. Especially if I'm not using the stock charger. Basic browsing using Chrome becomes laggy and unresponsive, of the keyboard will be unusable. Thankfully the battery lasts a while and the issue goes away when I'm done charging.

bblzd said:
Where do they show that? I'm not seeing any charts or anything that would indicate a throttle test with results. Maybe they just mention it in the text which would be strange to not have an accompanying chart to show their results.
However it's not really unexpected when the same could be said for 90% of devices.
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No charts, it's described in the text on the second page of the review. They also have some benchmark values.
You might have to use Google translate...

gizzmoffm said:
No charts, it's described in the text on the second page of the review. They also have some benchmark values.
You might have to use Google translate...
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Ah that's too bad. I guess I will wait for Anandtech or another site to do their performance consistency break down and comparison.

60hz feels laggy - S20+ Exynos

After using the 120hz mode on S20+ Exynos, I'm finding it really hard to adjust to 60hz
Everything runs very choppy and I can notice it deliberately cut the frames
This lag is not noticeable on other pure 60hz phones
Either something is wrong with my device or it is how it is?
My guess - It feels like Samsung is just slowing down the CPU power to animations to make it feel like 60hz??
Is it the same experience for yours too?

saidatta123 said:
After using the 120hz mode on S20+ Exynos, I'm finding it really hard to adjust to 60hz
Everything runs very choppy and I can notice it deliberately cut the frames
This lag is not noticeable on other pure 60hz phones
Either something is wrong with my device or it is how it is?
My guess - It feels like Samsung is just slowing down the CPU power to animations to make it feel like 60hz??
Is it the same experience for yours too?
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it is known that samsung underclocks the cpu in 60hz mode.. that is why you see lag.. my wifes s10 runs smoother at 60hz than my s20+

Brontok said:
it is known that samsung underclocks the cpu in 60hz mode.. that is why you see lag.. my wifes s10 runs smoother at 60hz than my s20+
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Exactly! Is there a to improve speed to make it look better on 60hz?

Maybe not as bad as samsung 60hz but i have compared with my sister's iphone 11 and for sure there is a huge difference between 60 and 120hz display

lol, it's not laggy, it's the hz and how the eye perceive the animations...

Try to debloat:
-game optimizing service
-smart fps aduster
-others that contain "mali drivers" or "galaxy drivers"

Funny enough I tried 60 earlier and I noticed the lag...but as noted your eyes have just adapted to a better refresh rate...

Funny I use a note 9 and 60hz doesn't feel or look as laggy as it is on current samsung 120hz panels when in 60hz mode. I believe samsung make 60hz perform worst intentionally. Dirty scum bags.

Same f*cking here on Realme Q5 pro!!! PLEASE SOMEONE DO ANYTHING WITH THIS. I CANT HANDLE IT ANYMORE

In-game performance issues. But why?!

Hi there! I have a Galaxy Tab S4, as you can imagine. I use it as my gaming device. The only game I play is Rues Of Survival. And well, Among us, but I don't even take it into consideration as a demanding game.
The tablet is not rooted but I debloated it with adb as far as I could. Android 10 on board.
Probably this crappy game became so poorly optimized that the performance degraded over time.
Now I am at a point where it's pretty unplayable even if I lower the resolution.
Let's see what I have tried so far.
I have checked the usage of CPU, GPU, temp and FPS with the game launcher plug-in. I have an average of 60 FPS with an average CPU usage of 8% and an average GPU usage of 80%. The problem occurs during crowded scenes. The FPS drop to 30, making the whole thing sutter really hard, the CPU usage stays the same and the GPU usage drops to 60%. WHY THE HECK?!
I have tried a couple of different resolutions (the game does not specifically states to how many pixels correspond each d*mn option) with close to no improvements. The graphics got really ugly, obviously.
Should I try to root and disable DVFS? Should I root and lower the resolution of the whole tablet to a normal fullHD with terminal? Should I stop complaining? Should I quit playing? Should I get a new tablet?
It seems pretty absurd that a game that I was able to play on my Galaxy S6, now got so demanding. Or that a 500 euros tablet aged so badly in two years.
Are those 2 free GB of ram out of 4 not enough to handle the game?
I can play it quite flawlessly on my OnePlus Nord. But this is NOT an option. The hardware specs of the two devices should be comparable. What mostly changes are the screen resolution (lower on the OP Nord) and the ram size (double on the OP Nord).

I doesn't try that game, but I played others (pubg (highers settings), stardew valley, this war of mine... etc), and I have not had problems at all. I'm stock. Have you try game booster?

Question Bad overheating on 4g gaming

Playing cod on lowest getting with high frame rate 60hz only though, phone gets so so warm then the GPU throttles like crazy and causes very bad lagging and frame drops, doesn't happen on WiFi, runs cool and smooth, what's up with this 4g modem?

kevinireland11 said:
Playing cod on lowest getting with high frame rate 60hz only though, phone gets so so warm then the GPU throttles like crazy and causes very bad lagging and frame drops, doesn't happen on WiFi, runs cool and smooth, what's up with this 4g modem?
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This article here might interest you
Google Tensor SoC And Pixel 6 Benchmarks Show Google’s Intentions For Building Its Own SoC
Senior Analyst, Mobility & VR, Anshel Sag, dives deeper as Google claimed that nobody in the market was creating chips that satisfied Google’s needs for AI performance, so they created their own and I’ve had an opportunity to test the Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro’s tensor SoC.
www.forbes.com
"As you can sort of tell from the graph, the Pixel 6 Pro throttled its GPU performance by over 50% at 58.3% while the Pixel 6 throttled at a more moderate 45%. The other Snapdragon 888 devices throttled anywhere from 24 to 36%. However, the Pixel 5 only throttled by 0.7% and the Redmagic 6S Pro with its active cooling only throttled an equally impressive 1%. To me, this means that Google’s GPU performance, while initially impressive, does have issues with longer term use and isn’t really viable for anything other than limited bursty GPU workloads. This means that gaming performance on the Pixel 6 Pro is worse than most of the flagship phones and the Pixel 6 is roughly on par."
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I really struggle to find the perfect overall android phone, I realllly don't wanna move to an iPhone but there a solid solid phone, hopefully Google can fix these issues, I really wanna like this phone.

Google will probably fix the throttling issues by lowering coreclocks all together, but in the end Tensor is probably just not good enough in terms of efficiency/temps to satisfy a hardcore/gaming user.
I'm afraid the P6 comes as close to the perfect overall android phone as it can get, even though it still lacks in some departments. There might be some alternatives in terms of pure gaming performance, but they will lack in other departments, meaning overall they will (aswell) not satisfy.

kevinireland11 said:
Playing cod on lowest getting with high frame rate 60hz only though, phone gets so so warm then the GPU throttles like crazy and causes very bad lagging and frame drops, doesn't happen on WiFi, runs cool and smooth, what's up with this 4g modem?
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Yeah its bad, also the touch sensitivity is way off. For me it feels like playing a new game even though i have played since season 1. It is hard to aim, hard to move, sometimes it wont recognize my touch. i dont know if you play battle royal, but whenever i open the map, it takes me like 5 tries to click the little X to close it.

clipdawg05 said:
Yeah its bad, also the touch sensitivity is way off. For me it feels like playing a new game even though i have played since season 1. It is hard to aim, hard to move, sometimes it wont recognize my touch. i dont know if you play battle royal, but whenever i open the map, it takes me like 5 tries to click the little X to close it.
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I only play BR, I know what you mean yeah, add me, ... vitazade
It's completely unplayable using 4g, it's mad heat and it drops to like 10-20fps lol can only use it on wifi

kevinireland11 said:
I only play BR, I know what you mean yeah, add me, ... vitazade
It's completely unplayable using 4g, it's mad heat and it drops to like 10-20fps lol can only use it on wifi
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hey, as of this morning for some reason the game wont start for me. Do you have the same problem?

clipdawg05 said:
hey, as of this morning for some reason the game wont start for me. Do you have the same problem?
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Just checked there, seems to be ok for me, really weird, sometimes you get good performance sometimes bad, can't wait for these system updates!