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Is it still a good choice?

hi guys,
Let's consider that in 1 or 2 months everything will be back to normal and Note 7 will be back in stores and no one will be harmed again and the buzz is gone.
I don't imagine that Samsung will change the screen Gorilla Glass 5 to something less fragile in addition to the battery, so this will still be a weakness for this phone, because to MHO this seems to be its only real flaw (except the battery), Android Nougat will certainly arrive in few months from now too.
so my questions are these ones:
- Will it still be the best phone of the year?
- Won't we have more difficulties to sell it back within 1-2 years from now without loosing too much?
- Is it still worth buying it?
Also,
If it's still one of the best phones of the year, is it worth waiting Christmas period for hoping having promotions and discounts or Samsung has already lost enough with it and will not provide any more discount on this model and will focus his promotions on his other flagships S7 & coming new ones?

It's the best Android device available right now. If re-sale value and GG5 bother you then yes, it's worth considering those points further. Spec wise, no, it's not matched in the Android space.
I would imagine (I could be wrong) that Samsung will be desperate to put the Note 7 behind them and release the S8 ASAP to do a massive ad campaign and regain some lost sales.
Yes the Note 7 price will drop, yes resale value will be affected by that drop. You will have a fantastic device and if keeping for even 12 months in my opinion it's worth while.

Samsung Galaxy Note 7
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All know that Note7 is epic and I rly doubt it will lose value unless sammy rly drop it's price when S8 will come. Best phone? To iPPL it will never be the best phone, looking at android world the price is not so great but if you put it aside it's sure the best phone of this year... Anyway I don't care. I will get mine and be happy if S8E will be cool I might try selling the N7 and move on. Usually my phone last me 2-3 years and which point I wan't to get a new one.

ilordvader said:
Samsung Galaxy Note 7
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I see you posting this in numerous posts. What is it of?

Man, come on, what other device would offer all the fantastic characteristics of the note 7?
one plus 3? it is cheap looking an wayy larger
lg v20? same , but even larger, not to mention the horrible sec display
iphone 7? same looking 2015 device larger and slave-bound
so, what do you feel like to choose?

winol said:
Man, come on, what other device would offer all the fantastic characteristics of the note 7?
one plus 3? it is cheap looking an wayy larger
lg v20? same , but even larger, not to mention the horrible sec display
iphone 7? same looking 2015 device larger and slave-bound
so, what do you feel like to choose?
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True. Samsung may have screwed the model reputation, but there is nothing like it currently. Maybe the Pixel phones will change that, but still, they'll be ugly and only geeks (us included) will go for it, so the note 7 will maintain a moderate resell value for those looking for phones in 2nd hand.

I don't play any games on my phone, I use it for business (we do sales via a company app with clients so it's a must), tasks, reading, podcasts and of course messaging. For what I need it's just perfect, I remember worrying what I'd do without root since I had my S3 rooted and that was 4 years of acclimation, now I don't even remember the idea of rooting until I see it mentioned on some forum or article (I know, blasphemy around here, sorry ).
I also (possibly more blasphemy) *like* Touchwiz on it! I had Good Lock on my original N7 until sending it back other day, and it was a nice throwback to the rooted stock Android look I was used to on my S3, but I actually wanted the Touchwiz back! Got replacement N7 and am not even considering Good Lock, it's sexy and I'm happy with it.

What Phone do I get Now??

Ok, let's say there is something to this New Note 7 problem.
What phone would you get?
Has to be Android...

HTC 10?
Maybe LG V20?
Pixel?
S7 egde?
I know.... Questions, questions, questions!!!

Has to be a flagship phone and have an S-pen type feature, so none of the current offerings. Have already reactivated my Nexus 6P and will wait a while to see what shakes out.

Wait for S8E... But it will be a pain because I still own a S4

If there is another recall. I hope they just replace it with s7e
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I'll just stick with my Note4 and wait for the Note8, might go the route and flash a Note7 ROM

Since there's no other phone that I absolutely like right now, I will probably just revert back to my Note 4 and be contract free for some time, hoping something better comes along. I had the S7 Edge for a few weeks, and I found it was unresponsive and lagging at times, so there's really no alternative for me.

No idea. In my case in the US I switched carriers so my old device has already been sold and I would have to get something else immediately or terminate my contract with them. I would say Pixel XL if it was sold though AT&T.

i wish they sold the moto z force in the netherlands, no brainer!
perfect specs, almost stock android, shattershield glass (better than gorilla glass 5) waterproof etc etc.
https://www.motorola.com/us/products/moto-z-force-droid-edition

I'm giving my note 4 to my daughter.. So I need a new phone.
I'm choosing between
1. Google pixel
2. LG v20
3. Sony xz

Hopefully such thing is not happening as Note 7 satisfies almost all my criteria for a good phone... If it does and since none of the current offerings by other OEM able to fulfill what I want, I will just have to go back to my Note 1 (chose it because it has the biggest screen at that time + a stylus)...

koppee1 said:
I'm giving my note 4 to my daughter.. So I need a new phone.
I'm choosing between
1. Google pixel
2. LG v20
3. Sony xz
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Give your daughter a new phone and keep the N4, it has no competition out there.
But at the original starter: there is no other high-end phone out there with a stylus, bar the Note series. If you want a stylus, you'll need to get a Note 4 or 5. The Note 4 is only available second hand and the Note 5 only via grey import. I've made a shortlist myself:
Note 4: only secondhand, SW support has been stopped after MM.
Note 5: no SD, 128 GB version expensive. No European version.
LG V20: not available until at least early 2017, no hardware buttons on the front, no OLED.
Google Pixel XL: way to expensive, no hardware buttons, the big chin is ridiculous
Nexus 6P: again no HW buttons. not a fan of the design (back look likes the white droid from Wall-E)
Axon7: new brand to me. What about support? Their market launch was scrappy.
Moto Z Force Droid: only available on 1 US carrier.
Huawei Mate 9: should be introduced shortly. Big screen, but no HW buttons. Presumably a LCD screen.
S7E: bloody edges... go away! I strongly dislike the glass allround design. It is slippery as hell and gives me back the nightmares I had with my S4 which handled like a wet bar of soap as well.
1+3: delivery times galore. But seems like the best bet for now, especially for the price.
iPhone 7+: Yes, I said it. I would almost consider an iPhone. Especially with the ridiculous price fro the Pixel XL with 128 GB. It should net a good resale price for the S8 Stylus to arrive.
If you want a flagship phone with a 6" flat screen, the choices are dire to non-excistent.

I feel yea, if I have to turn in the Note 7 (which is looking increasingly likely), there isn't really another phone that covers it all.
S7 Edge gives the curved edge, water resistance, camera, SD card, and next-in-class screen.
Note 5 gives me the Stylus.
Mean I'm probably looking at the S7 Edge. *sigh* I just don't like the look of it as much as the Note 7. it's TOO rounded, not just the glass, but the body as well.
Edit...The more I think about it, the more I lean towards the note 5. Camera isn't as good, but the screen is still solid, and I'm really liking the stylus now. SD card...well, most of my music is in the cloud, photos auto back up to the cloud, so end of day, I'm really just losing on water resistance and the AOD, and curved edge. (which I like, because...bezel less on the sides now!)

Guess I'm leaning toward the pixel XL.

I would get none. Not giving competition more reasons to gloat.

I just talked to Best Buy mobile 10 minutes ago. They told me I need to bring my replacement Note7 in immediately. "a Second recall is coming very soon" I can exchange it for any phone however since I was leasing the Note7 I only have leasing options for a Samsung S7E, LG or Iphone. Any other phone would need to be purchased outright. I asked about the Pixel XL and they told me that I would have to purchase the unlocked $829 phone outright from Google to bring to Sprint. so this Note7 issues goes from bad to worse for users.

notefreak said:
I would get none. Not giving competition more reasons to gloat.
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You may not have a choice unless you want to use a Gimped phone.
If they do a 2nd recall and cripple the Battery.

notefreak said:
I would get none. Not giving competition more reasons to gloat.
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Ohhh and Samsung has screwed the Pooch but good here.
I've had every Note and this is problem for me...

There is always a choice. Previous phone, no phone at all, 80% phone...

Same boat here. My note 3 was awesome, still works and runs like new ( on MM currently). Still plenty fast. The only dilemma is I gave it to my son already.
I've been using this s7 edge for a few weeks now waiting on the new batch of note 7's. It's very close performance and spec wise. I just refuse to pay full price for this phone though since it's NOT what I wanted. They had me return / refund my note 7 and buy this in its place. They then said I could return it regardless of how long it took to get a new note 7.... but I think that was just the manager of the store looking out for me. What if I keep this and he gets transferred during the wait, as it looks like this will take a while.
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Note 10+ or Samsung Fold

I am currently using Samsung Galaxy S10 plus. Should I go ahead and buy Note 10 + or wait for Samsung fold?

Depends. Do you want the Fold, or do you want the N10+?

I want to upgrade my phone. Only Samsung Note 10 + is available in market which is better than my phone. Samsung fold is a new tech so is it worth waiting for fold price drop or purchase note 10+?

I always advice others this:
The note series is REALLY satisfactory for those who like an apreciate the features the S Pen provides, if the S Pen is not the MOST important feature for you to have, simply get something else , as you put it, the the S10+ or the fold would be good for you

That's like asking "should I get SUV or should I get 2 seater sports car" LOL. Fold won't be available until around 9/27 and should cost around $1800. Note 10+ is available now for around $1100. I already made the decision (as probably a lot of other people here) to buy N10+, because Fold won't have s-pen, which I use all the time and it's a new tech which already showed to be troublesome in the past. I'll wait to see if all problems are fixed and if much larger screen is compelling reason enough. Also hope for price to come down a little. At home and work I have computers, which I prefer to use over the phone no matter screen size and on the go where I use the phone the most (like driving for map guidance/traffic) larger screen may actually be too cumbersome. I can always sell N10+ and buy fold in the future and couple hundred resulting loss shouldn't be major concern, when you're spending $1800 on the phone.
BTW I agree with Winol, if you don't use s-pen much, there are so many other good phones to choose from, it's mind boggling.

Jmakhdoom said:
I want to upgrade my phone. Only Samsung Note 10 + is available in market which is better than my phone. Samsung fold is a new tech so is it worth waiting for fold price drop or purchase note 10+?
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The problem is, you're asking us what you should buy, and none of know what features are important to you. Only you know if it's worth it to you.
It's an impossible question to answer anyway since none of us have a Galaxy Fold.
Do some research, watch some YouTube videos, and decide which one interests you the most.

I think you should actually look at the other foldable phones. Huawei's version is actually a lot better in my opinion. Of course I'm not yet considering all their troubles with the US Gov't. But when I compared the 2, I really felt Samsung dropped the ball there.
With regards to new tech, and given the problems the first fold encountered recently, I would actually warn people from buying the Samsung fold. I previously bought the Note 7 which was recalled 2x. And it was such a hassle. I had to set up my phone 2x only to have it recalled. I sold my old phone too so I ended up without a phone. I had to settle with an LG phone at the time and replaced it when the Note 8 came out.

I would not buy first-gen new tech. Foldable devices will be crap the first few go-arounds most likely. Would not want to be a first adopter. The Note line is 9 years old now definitely very mature while the first Fold literally folded so badly they nixed it and are trying again 6 months later. Go with the Note 10+ or a similar device that is not first gen tech.

for me, first generation tech is always a BIG NO.
The 15 year old is dying for the 2000$+ new tech, but i controlled the sucker and got the Note 10+ and satisfied since i have tab s6 for the heavy stuff. best of both words (phones and tablets) and cost less than the fold

winol said:
I always advice others this:
The note series is REALLY satisfactory for those who like an apreciate the features the S Pen provides, if the S Pen is not the MOST important feature for you to have, simply get something else , as you put it, the the S10+ or the fold would be good for you
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Not so fast my friend!
The S-Pen is a big factor to consider. But there are others that you should take into consideration....
The 12GB of RAM is a huge upgrade. If you think the S10+ is fast, the Note10+ is that much faster with 50% more RAM!!!
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skinnytoo2 said:
Not so fast my friend!
The S-Pen is a big factor to consider. But there are others that you should take into consideration....
The 12GB of RAM is a huge upgrade. If you think the S10+ is fast, the Note10+ is that much faster with 50% more RAM!!!
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My S10+ had the same 12 gb of ram as my Note 10 does
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AeroSatan said:
My S10+ had the same 12 gb of ram as my Note 10 does
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Most people don't though. That was only on the 1TB model, right?

Just realised, OnePlus is just meh...

I recently got the OP7T and a few others before this one and there are some things that are just meh... One of them is, the famous line that most big youtube tech reviews say, "Oneplus is famous for timely updates" but is it really? Mine is still on the Jan security update, the Samsung Note 10 and the Sony Xperia 5 I had before, those were getting security updates every month, not saying that this is a deal breaker, the phone is fast and fluid with the stock Android experience, but bashing other manufacturers compared to the OP, saying that OP is very good with updates, that is simply not true. A few more reasons why Oneplus is just meh, the price, sure at launch it's hard to beat, but in the used market there are way better alternatives, here in the UK at least, Pixel 4 XL are around £450, Xperia 1 and 5 are around £280, Samsung S10 Plus around £350 and Samsung Note 10 are around £400, now the OP holds value for longer for sure, example, the OP7T 128gb is still around 400, but you're compromising compared to the other flagships, no wireless charging, no IP Rating, meh battery life, meh cameras and slow rollout of security updates, now that I've used multiple brands, this phone made me realise, OP is no longer worth it, at least for me, it is still a great phone don't get me wrong, but just imagine, I've seen Samsung S20 Plus going for £750 and this is a week after being on sale, now imaging when OP8 comes out, the current flagships will be even cheaper and probably better then the OP8, for less :/ they sure need all the paid reviewers to hype this brand, because they have settled for high prices and meh features. There is a simple solution though, release at the same time as Samsung and then the prices will make sense, waiting for OP, means cheaper real flagships.
This is just my opinion, would like to hear your thoughts about this.

There is no other phone that compares. Price for what specs you get. Not sure why people complain about getting updates every month. We get it at least bi-monthly.

From what I see, the Pixel 4XL and Galaxy S10 Plus are both around $900 compared to the OnePlus at $600. That's already a big difference right there. I don't know about Sonys devices. I don't think they are all that popular in the U.S. My device is on the February security patch. Along with the apparent statement that they are doing bi-monthly updates, the coronavirus has also probably slowed things down a bit. I came from an LG V30 and if you want to talk about slow updates, look no further than LG. Is the phone the best device available? No. But overall, I think this is the best option in this price range. And I have nothing to complain about.

hugoprh said:
ISamsung S10 Plus around £350 and Samsung Note 10 are around £400
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Really? Get them then!
Oh, don't forget the special circumstances the world is facing. And also, the size of both companies.

sansanc said:
Really? Get them then!
Oh, don't forget the special circumstances the world is facing. And also, the size of both companies.
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I did that is why I'm saying that the OP7T is just meh, for cheaper prices you get better phones, OOS is nice don't get me wrong, the OS is very fast, but just wished for a better battery, camera and other perks like IP rating, here in the UK it rains a lot, so any protection against that is welcome, at the moment I think the best Price to performance ration are Sony phones (used, like new condition), you get near stock Android, monthly updates and very good cameras (xperia 1 and 5 at least), all this for less then £300, my only complaint about Sony is the fingerprint placement, could not get use to it, that was the reason for selling it.
And don't believe that OP is a small company, they want to make you think that, but they're owned by BBK, one of the biggest phone companies at the moment.

hugoprh said:
I did that is why I'm saying that the OP7T is just meh, for cheaper prices you get better phones, OOS is nice don't get me wrong, the OS is very fast, but just wished for a better battery, camera and other perks like IP rating, here in the UK it rains a lot, so any protection against that is welcome, at the moment I think the best Price to performance ration are Sony phones (used, like new condition), you get near stock Android, monthly updates and very good cameras (xperia 1 and 5 at least), all this for less then £300, my only complaint about Sony is the fingerprint placement, could not get use to it, that was the reason for selling it.
And don't believe that OP is a small company, they want to make you think that, but they're owned by BBK, one of the biggest phone companies at the moment.
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Ok, not a oneplus salesman, but i think i should say this:
- First you should not compare the prices of used phones with new ones, that's simply not fair. 400 pounds for a note 10? New? Nah.
- Better camera? K, it may not be the very best, but i think it's quite competent.
- IP rating? Is that you really want? Just because they haven't IP rating, doesn't mean they aren't water proof. Oneplus is water proof at least 2 or 3 models ago.
For me, having fast, fluid and clean OS beats any spam that samsung or other brands have on their phones. I got a xiaomi phone months ago. Waiting 2 weeks (sometimes even more) just to unlock the bootloader? Nah... K, the camera is good, but then, the software is just meh.

sansanc said:
Ok, not a oneplus salesman, but i think i should say this:
- First you should not compare the prices of used phones with new ones, that's simply not fair. 400 pounds for a note 10? New? Nah.
- Better camera? K, it may not be the very best, but i think it's quite competent.
- IP rating? Is that you really want? Just because they haven't IP rating, doesn't mean they aren't water proof. Oneplus is water proof at least 2 or 3 models ago.
For me, having fast, fluid and clean OS beats any spam that samsung or other brands have on their phones. I got a xiaomi phone months ago. Waiting 2 weeks (sometimes even more) just to unlock the bootloader? Nah... K, the camera is good, but then, the software is just meh.
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I agree with you, I prefer the OnePlus fluid OS over Samsung and any other phone out there and not too mention here in the US OnePlus is much cheaper, and people forget that this Corona virus played a huge part with OnePlus being delayed on their updates, before all of this I could of sworn they was on point with their updates that I could remember unless I'm mistaken. Samsung makes great phone but their software is meh, same with other phone manufacturer, if it ain't stock Android I don't want it, I'm already too spoiled with it.

I just got a T-Mobile OP7T that was $499. It is currently on February security patch. I will be switching to Beta once I get the unlock bin. Beta 2 in on March security patch.
To me every phone I look at is a comprise somewhere. I care about the software experience the most so I go for oneplus. Im not a fan for samsung UI. This is the best camera Ive had on a smart phone but im coming from Moto X4 and OP6T. The camera is sufficient for my personal needs. You do you. I enjoy my OP7T but get the phone that works best for you.

hugoprh said:
I recently got the OP7T and a few others before this one and there are some things that are just meh... One of them is, the famous line that most big youtube tech reviews say, "Oneplus is famous for timely updates" but is it really? Mine is still on the Jan security update, the Samsung Note 10 and the Sony Xperia 5 I had before, those were getting security updates every month, not saying that this is a deal breaker, the phone is fast and fluid with the stock Android experience, but bashing other manufacturers compared to the OP, saying that OP is very good with updates, that is simply not true. A few more reasons why Oneplus is just meh, the price, sure at launch it's hard to beat, but in the used market there are way better alternatives, here in the UK at least, Pixel 4 XL are around £450, Xperia 1 and 5 are around £280, Samsung S10 Plus around £350 and Samsung Note 10 are around £400, now the OP holds value for longer for sure, example, the OP7T 128gb is still around 400, but you're compromising compared to the other flagships, no wireless charging, no IP Rating, meh battery life, meh cameras and slow rollout of security updates, now that I've used multiple brands, this phone made me realise, OP is no longer worth it, at least for me, it is still a great phone don't get me wrong, but just imagine, I've seen Samsung S20 Plus going for £750 and this is a week after being on sale, now imaging when OP8 comes out, the current flagships will be even cheaper and probably better then the OP8, for less :/ they sure need all the paid reviewers to hype this brand, because they have settled for high prices and meh features. There is a simple solution though, release at the same time as Samsung and then the prices will make sense, waiting for OP, means cheaper real flagships.
This is just my opinion, would like to hear your thoughts about this.
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Being a developer friendly device ia the number 1 advantage. Price vs performance is the 2nd for me. If you researched before buying the 7t about wireless charging and ip rating, then you are at fault. The battery life is phenomenal for me because i know what im installing and what not.
Go get urself an iphone. I feel like oneplus 7t is too complicated for you.

infamousvincci said:
Being a developer friendly device ia the number 1 advantage. Price vs performance is the 2nd for me. If you researched before buying the 7t about wireless charging and ip rating, then you are at fault. The battery life is phenomenal for me because i know what im installing and what not.
Go get urself an iphone. I feel like oneplus 7t is too complicated for you.
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Uhh someone got offended... I've been flashing and repairing phones for 10 years and nowadays, there's no real advantages to flashing custom ROMs, they are sometimes unstable, you lose some functionality (Android Pay, banking apps, etc) and camera quality takes a hit (most times), nowadays keeping the bootloader locked is just fine, GCAMs work great on most phones now, customisation is also possible without rooting, so what do you need custom ROMs nowadays? If Price vs Performace and dev friendly is what you want, Xiaomi phones are way cheaper, yes you have to wait a while to get the bootloader unlocked, but once that time has passed, you normally have great Dev support, with great Pixel Experience ROMs.
iOS sure I use them sometimes, but I get bored of them quickly and I have enough experience with multiple brands to get to this conclusion, I got the 7t to see what the fuss was all about, I knew what I was going to get into in terms of features and that is why I was expecting more. In the used marked this brand is not worth it, that's all I'm saying, I always buy used, never going to pay for a new phone if used they are so much cheaper and look like new, if I was looking into a new OP7T and a new S10+ I get it, but in the used marked, there's so better alternatives.

hugoprh said:
they are sometimes unstable, you lose some functionality (Android Pay, banking apps, etc) and camera quality takes a hit (most times)
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This.... Obviously you dont know what you are doing in order to fix those "functionality". Lots of stuff you can do to fix those. You might be one of those thinking that oh ill buy the 7t cause they said she said he said. and then vents out its not perfect. lmao.

What it all boils down to is personal preference. Personally I would buy a used OP over any other used phone, especially Samsung. Do they make excellent devices, yes, without doubt. But their OneUI or whatever the OS skin they are using is a huge drawback IMO. A dedicated button for a personal assistant that the average user can't remap... it just doesn't make sense to me. I don't like when something that should be an option is forced upon me like that. My wife loves Samsung phones. She has the s10 but hates the bixby button. I had the 6t but broke the screen. So I was using my wife's previous Note 8 phone for a month or two until the 7t was released. I was able to remap the bixby button with a pc and adb. My wife would never have been able to figure that out and I'm assuming most Samsung users don't have any idea what remapping hardware buttons even means. The only good phone I remember LG releasing was the Nexus 5.... again personal opinion. For me cameras aren't a big deal... I can honestly tell you that if I take pictures of my kids opening presents on either my 7t or my wife's s10 and then post them to social media not 1 person will say "OMG what kind of phone took those ****ty/awsome photos!" Nobody will be able to tell or care enough to scrutinize each and every picture. I was not huge into photography before smart phones and I still am not. I take pictures during certain events in my life.. Not for photo competitions. IP rating.. OP has addressed this many times. The only reason they have not gotten certified is bc the cost would trickle down to the consumer. Their phones have been waterproof for a couple generations now... just w/o the sticker that says so.. kinda like a marriage license. If you get married, but lose the piece of paper that proves it, does that mean I am no longer married? I'm sure my wife would strongly disagree. The other drawback I hear ppl complain about is wireless charging. I personal don't care.. I charge my phone @ night or in the car... granted I did buy the warp car charger and it's awesome... but other then that I don't care... It takes maybe 2 seconds to plug in my phone rather then just set it down... have we really got that lazy? I bought my wife a wireless charging pad for her Samsung phones... and she doesn't use it.. ever. Don't ask me why.. I've asked... but she doesn't know why. For me personally it's all about the user experience or the software. I don't flash custom roms anymore.. but alot of ppl do. OnePlus is very Dev friendly. I do however root my phone with Magisk. If I purchase a phone, any, phone that is my property. If I want to get into the system files and **** everything up that is my choice. It is becoming damn near impossible to have that choice on other brands especially Samsung. Its even getting harder on OP devices... but nothing like Samsung. Not being able to root a phone that I paid for... that is my property.. Is a complete deal breaker for me. It is also why I will never buy any phone that is Verizon branded. So I guess I will end where I started.. It all boils down to personal preference. I didn't realize this was so long lol... sorry

Yeah, i agree, but most people don't care root stuff. They just want a ready to use phone.
I am feeling a bit fed up with so many google apps on the phone....

hugoprh said:
I recently got the OP7T and a few others before this one and there are some things that are just meh... One of them is, the famous line that most big youtube tech reviews say, "Oneplus is famous for timely updates" but is it really? Mine is still on the Jan security update, the Samsung Note 10 and the Sony Xperia 5 I had before, those were getting security updates every month, not saying that this is a deal breaker, the phone is fast and fluid with the stock Android experience, but bashing other manufacturers compared to the OP, saying that OP is very good with updates, that is simply not true. A few more reasons why Oneplus is just meh, the price, sure at launch it's hard to beat, but in the used market there are way better alternatives, here in the UK at least, Pixel 4 XL are around £450, Xperia 1 and 5 are around £280, Samsung S10 Plus around £350 and Samsung Note 10 are around £400, now the OP holds value for longer for sure, example, the OP7T 128gb is still around 400, but you're compromising compared to the other flagships, no wireless charging, no IP Rating, meh battery life, meh cameras and slow rollout of security updates, now that I've used multiple brands, this phone made me realise, OP is no longer worth it, at least for me, it is still a great phone don't get me wrong, but just imagine, I've seen Samsung S20 Plus going for £750 and this is a week after being on sale, now imaging when OP8 comes out, the current flagships will be even cheaper and probably better then the OP8, for less :/ they sure need all the paid reviewers to hype this brand, because they have settled for high prices and meh features. There is a simple solution though, release at the same time as Samsung and then the prices will make sense, waiting for OP, means cheaper real flagships.
This is just my opinion, would like to hear your thoughts about this.
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You're a privileged guy in a privileged country.
From where I am, all the other phones you mentioned are at around twice the price of the OnePlus 7T, brand new.
The only other value for buck phones we have here are Xiaomi, Vivo, Oppo, and Realme.

this brand is expensive because you're being robbed of {long list of features} and their software developments costs are near zero. what's next. remove display? stop creating 1+ wallpapers per model to save few more bucks? hard to believe an alternative "flagship" brand does opposite of what such companies normally did - remove SD card, jack, Qi, Qc, IP etc. Exactly opposite to #NeverSettle slogan.
personally i'm going to suffer with 7T model for couple of months til Xperia 1.2 comes. That's how i imagine a flagship: no bs notch, bezels to finally hold your phone better, SD, jack, Qi, IP, 21:9 screen.. all perfect. 100% flagship.
however there are superlatives about OnePlus brand:
* battery - best of the market
* speed - best of the market
* community support or rootabilty - best of the market
some tech advances were great : they got fast refresh screens sooner, they got under display fingerprint sooner (samsung's still doesn't work well while generations 6T -> 7 -> 7T -> 8 already exist) and "invisible features" are still premium (wifi speeds, call clarity, speakers performance etc).
camera is great. so what's missing?
all i hate is iphone style removing of features and lowcost brand style of not paying for licences. i hate having 10 Qc3 chargers and not being able to charge the phone fast in any location because they don't want to pay the licence. i hate having Qi charger next to bed and not able to comfortably place the phone on it, and pick it up multiple times without struggle of using cable.
so what's the direction of the brand then?
90hz/120hz is already boring and no new innovation in sight.
well.. they have to go back to the roots.
model 8 will bring "back" wireless charging and IP68.
and if no more innovation in next iteration, they will have to bring SD card and jack.

Just ordered

They gave me a $400 trade in credit on my Tab S4, so this cost me 250. Will I notice much of a difference?????

ScottBroker said:
They gave me a $400 trade in credit on my Tab S4, so this cost me 250. Will I notice much of a difference?????
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no

ScottBroker said:
They gave me a $400 trade in credit on my Tab S4, so this cost me 250. Will I notice much of a difference?????
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You wil definitely notice the shty lcd screen.

Did the same exchange (for S7+), and I do really love some stuff:
- 120Hz screen, this is very noticeable if you are used to that frequency.
- Official keyboard accessory isn't crap anymore, it won't disconnect easily and has touchpad. No more external mouse.
- Camera is best now, as its located horizontally instead of vertically
- Fingerprint reader >>>> Optical
- RAM improvement is great. Many people don't often see that, but if you are multitasking is quite easy to observe. Specially if you ran Linux inside.
- Audio is definitively better.
If you are artist (I'm not), S-Pen is noticeably better, more responsive. If you have some official cover, it won't fall easily. S-Pen protection at S4 tab was awful, I lost that S-Pen once while traveling.

I also did the exchange/trade in with my old 12.9 inch iPad Pro 2017 model. They gave me $500 for it which is like practically what I bought it for almost 4 years ago. So couldn't turn that down. Unfortunately Pro-Motion on the iPad Pro (120hz refresh) really spoiled me and there was no way I'd be able to go back to 60hz refresh. Luckily Samsung came out with these otherwise I'd of been forced to get another iPad Pro. Not that I hate iOS but man after using it for 4 years and then coming to Android again you really notice how restrictive iOS is.
Have had it for about a week and a half now. I grabbed the S7+ with 256gb storage mainly for the extra 2 gigs of ram. I don't tend to really use to much storage, but figured the extra 2gb of RAM would be nice. Not sure if it'll makes a difference but I figured it can't hurt and may help future proof the device a bit down the line as I plan on keeping this for years. I heard the LCD screen on the regular S7 is actually quite nice so you should like it. The speakers are excellent, get very loud and sound good. SD 865+ makes the device very snappy. The fact it comes with a S-Pen is also awesome. I find myself using it often even though I don't do any kind of drawing or art like stuff.
I've been very happy with everything so far and I'm sure you'll love it as well. Samsung did a great job this year with this tablet!

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I also did the exchange/trade in with my old 12.9 inch iPad Pro 2017 model. They gave me $500 for it which is like practically what I bought it for almost 4 years ago. So couldn't turn that down. Unfortunately Pro-Motion on the iPad Pro (120hz refresh) really spoiled me and there was no way I'd be able to go back to 60hz refresh. Luckily Samsung came out with these otherwise I'd of been forced to get another iPad Pro. Not that I hate iOS but man after using it for 4 years and then coming to Android again you really notice how restrictive iOS is.
Have had it for about a week and a half now. I grabbed the S7+ with 256gb storage mainly for the extra 2 gigs of ram. I don't tend to really use to much storage, but figured the extra 2gb of RAM would be nice. Not sure if it'll makes a difference but I figured it can't hurt and may help future proof the device a bit down the line as I plan on keeping this for years. I heard the LCD screen on the regular S7 is actually quite nice so you should like it. The speakers are excellent, get very loud and sound good. SD 865+ makes the device very snappy. The fact it comes with a S-Pen is also awesome. I find myself using it often even though I don't do any kind of drawing or art like stuff.
I've been very happy with everything so far and I'm sure you'll love it as well. Samsung did a great job this year with this tablet!
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Did you guys buy WiFi or cellular devices? Apparently AT&T doesn't have the s7+ yet and I don't know if I get another carrier device will they be interchangeable or unlockable to another carrier??

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Did you guys buy WiFi or cellular devices? Apparently AT&T doesn't have the s7+ yet and I don't know if I get another carrier device will they be interchangeable or unlockable to another carrier??
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I got the WiFi only version. Surprised AT&T doesn't have it yet. That seems weird. Its been on the market for like 6 months.
I've only owned one tablet with data and that was actually the first generation of this tablet, the Tab S 10.5. I don't know if you would be able to ever change the carrier though. I was going to say I wouldn't think so but honestly I'm not sure. I had mine stolen all those years ago so I never saw if I could unlock it. I presume once its paid off they wouldn't care about it being unlockable. But what do I know lol. Hopefully someone will respond who can shed some light on this for you bud.

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I got the WiFi only version. Surprised AT&T doesn't have it yet. That seems weird. Its been on the market for like 6 months.
I've only owned one tablet with data and that was actually the first generation of this tablet, the Tab S 10.5. I don't know if you would be able to ever change the carrier though. I was going to say I wouldn't think so but honestly I'm not sure. I had mine stolen all those years ago so I never saw if I could unlock it. I presume once its paid off they wouldn't care about it being unlockable. But what do I know l---- ol. Hopefully someone will respond who can shed some light on this for you bud.
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Thanks for the reply ..... I sure hope my ATT rep is correct but he said that I could order the TMO S7+ from Samsung and that it was already unlocked .... But I guess we'll see in a couple of days!! I ordered it

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Did you guys buy WiFi or cellular devices? Apparently AT&T doesn't have the s7+ yet and I don't know if I get another carrier device will they be interchangeable or unlockable to another carrier??
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I just got the S7+ a few days ago, really liking it so far. I got the WiFi only model. Had a Tab S6 LTE through Verizon but I never really used the LTE as I was always in a place with WiFi. Went with the unlocked Samsung version of the S7+ since Verizon likes to remove features like Call and Text on other devices. I love that feature between my Fold 2 and S7+. Plus I wanted the larger screen of the S7+ as I use it primarily for media consumption.