I'm really excited about the prospect of using this phone to replace my pad of paper at work, but I'm wondering if it works as well as advertised.
Is it possible to write small characters using the S Pen and S Note (or third party app)? In the reviews I've seen they always use gigantic letters when demonstrating S Note.
What happens if I rest my palm on the screen? Do I have to keep the pen close enough to the screen (so it detects it as hovering) to avoid picking up touches from my palm?
I used it to take our menu order last night for 9 of us without any issues if that helps?
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U can write small letter, thre is a slider that can change how thick/thin the lines gonna be and also can rest u palm on the screen while using s-pen writing. Its a new features on Note 2, there is a icon at bottom right that can activate not to react while a palm touching the screen while using the s-pen. Search for spen in youtube and watch the magic of s-pen.
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U can write small letter, thre is a slider that can change how thick/thin the lines gonna be and also can rest u palm on the screen while using s-pen writing. Its a new features on Note 2, there is a icon at bottom right that can activate not to react while a palm touching the screen while using the s-pen. Search for spen in youtube and watch the magic of s-pen.
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Thanks for the info!
Did you consider buying the note 10.1?
I use it for note taking in lectures and the bigger screen is definitely an advantage there over my note 2!
Though the possible functions are nearly the same
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At first, I liked the Bamboo Stylus FEEL and simply adjusted LectureNotes for the offset (approximately 6-7 pixels for me). However, the pen kept creating "tails" or "trails" or "squiggles" nearly every time the pen was lifted from the screen (which you kinda have to do when you are writing letters in print). This drove me crazy but I suppose I adjusted by developing a quick eraser-finger or hitting the "undo" button with reckless abandon.
I had grown so used to the Bamboo Stylus FEEL's quirks that I had forgotten how amazing the included S-pen is (but I quickly remembered when I forgot my Bamboo at home the other day). It felt strange NOT to hit the "undo" button every few seconds. However, the Bamboo spoiled me because it was much more comfortable to hold; the s-pen felt tiny in my hand.
As far as I can tell, the two main contenders for full-sized pens for the 10.1 (besides the Bamboo Stylus FEEL) are the official Samsung S-pen (listed here: http://www.amazon.com/Original-Sams...&qid=1367538582&sr=1-7&keywords=samsung+s+pen)
and the Samsung Series 7 Slate Pen (listed here: http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Elect...1367537810&sr=1-1&keywords=series+7+slate+pen)
Can anyone comment on their experience with these pens? My main priority is accuracy; as long as it's even somewhat bigger than the included s-pen, I'm sure I'll be happy.
Or feel free to suggest a different pen, if there's a better one out there.
@drdoombot: To get rid of the strange `tails´, enable the pressure filter in the LectureNotes' input settings with a threshold of 5% or so (whether you enable `enforce lifting´ is a matter of taste, most user disable that).
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@drdoombot: To get rid of the strange `tails´, enable the pressure filter in the LectureNotes' input settings with a threshold of 5% or so (whether you enable `enforce lifting´ is a matter of taste, most user disable that).
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I did this and it fixed those tails right up.
Now the only problem is that I hit the button on the stylus ALL THE TIME. I wish the button was a bit higher up to be honest.
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@drdoombot: To get rid of the strange `tails´, enable the pressure filter in the LectureNotes' input settings with a threshold of 5% or so (whether you enable `enforce lifting´ is a matter of taste, most user disable that).
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Thanks for the tip, but I tried going from 5% to 30% stepwise (it took a few hours) and even though it got better, it still happened regularly enough to be frustrating. Using the original S-pen, it's much rarer.
@apallohadas: I agree, the S-pen button is indeed somewhat misplaced. Personally, I decided not to use the button at all and I wrapped a piece of tape around it to avoid to unintentionally press it.
@drdoombot: Actually, 5% should be sufficient. Maybe your S-pen is somewhat too sensitive, have a look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viDDKGPj2FI (which is a rather extreme example, I admit).
I have the official Samsung S-pen and love it. I can't compare to the Bamboo Stylus FEEL since I don't have one. It is as accurate as the included S-pen but full size. It has not left me wanting for another stylus.
I ordered the SPen holder kit yesterday, hopefully it's as good as I expect it to be! The choice was between the samsung "Pen with eraser for Note 10.1" and the one I ordered, but this one seemed alot more solid so I thought I'll give it a try. It only has a button though, but I couldn't find a official Note pen with two and the pen for other tablets seems to all have some precision issues.
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I received a S pen with eraser this morning and its awesome! In my eyes its just the right length, as its long enough to be used like a normal pen but isn't that obtrusive. The eraser at the end also works really well totally worth the tenner I paid for it, the Note 10.1 is now like a normal notebook!
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As far as I can tell, the two main contenders for full-sized pens for the 10.1 (besides the Bamboo Stylus FEEL) are the official Samsung S-pen (listed here: http://www.amazon.com/Original-Sams...&qid=1367538582&sr=1-7&keywords=samsung+s+pen)
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I have both the Samsung S-Pen and the Bamboo Stylus FEEL and here, I cannot confirm the problems with the FEEL.
The S-Pen from Samsung is ok, the rubber function is good. But with that, I have the problem of hitting the button. And it is very lightweight.
I bought the FEEL and keep the Samsung S-Pen at work in case I forget the FEEL at home.
The button of the FEEL is aligned with the surface and (at least for me) difficult to push accidently.
Neither with Lecture Notes nor with MyScript Notes Mobile I observe writing after releasing the pen from the surface.
Wacom suggested this
Hi all,
I have the Stylus Feel, and I've been mainly using it with S-Note (though I am trying LectureNotes based on the good feedback from these forum.
Like a lot of you, I'm getting the "squigglies" and hate it. I contacted Wacom, and here's what they said:
Bamboo feel pen only works on Galaxy Note 10.1 if the factory Samsung pen is removed from its holder.
On the Galaxy Note 10.1, select Settings, and then click on S Pen. Once here, you can toggle the option for “Battery Saving”. When this is turned on, the digitizer is not active unless the pen is out of the dock, so if the Samsung pen is in its holder, no active pen will work on the display. Slide the pen out of its holder, and Bamboo Feel and the Samsung pen are active.
Solution: If Battery Saving is un-checked in the S Pen settings, then it doesn’t matter if the Samsung pen is docked in the device, the Bamboo feel pen will work fine at all times.
I hope this helps. Let us know if we can be of further assistance.
So then I thought: this stylus technology uses magnetized stylus and sensors - maybe the S-Pen staying in the tablet is causing the issue. I checked the power check box (above), mainly to remind me to take out the internal S-Pen, and it seems like the squigglies are mostly gone. I'd be curious what others think.
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So then I thought: this stylus technology uses magnetized stylus and sensors - maybe the S-Pen staying in the tablet is causing the issue. I checked the power check box (above), mainly to remind me to take out the internal S-Pen, and it seems like the squigglies are mostly gone. I'd be curious what others think.
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Actually no, it doesn't have any magnets in it even if that's a common misunderstanding. Not really sensors either, even if I guess that depends of what you define as a sensor.
But who cares really, if it solves the problem The pressure filter in LectureNotes has helped me alot removing those "squiggles" with the stock pen, maybe you should check it out!
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Actually no, it doesn't have any magnets in it even if that's a common misunderstanding. Not really sensors either, even if I guess that depends of what you define as a sensor.
But who cares really, if it solves the problem The pressure filter in LectureNotes has helped me alot removing those "squiggles" with the stock pen, maybe you should check it out!
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Thanks for the response Axel - I got to thinking - how does it work then. It's clearly not pressure only, otherwise we wouldn't have the hover features.
Looked at a "WACOM Technology" link on Wikipedia, and there's a wealth of info (can't post link). Seems there's a triggering device in the pen, as well as an ID chip. The tablet has the electronics that make an electromagnetic connection to the pen, and there are pressure sensors in the tablet face. Amazing that they make this totally transparent to the tablet design.
So theoretically, if the tablet is triggering the pen, and there's more than one pen, it could cause an issue, hence Wacom's suggestion.
On your suggestion and from reading other posts, looks like LectureNotes may be better all around. I've started using it, so we'll see.
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Thanks for the response Axel - I got to thinking - how does it work then. It's clearly not pressure only, otherwise we wouldn't have the hover features.
Looked at a "WACOM Technology" link on Wikipedia, and there's a wealth of info (can't post link). Seems there's a triggering device in the pen, as well as an ID chip. The tablet has the electronics that make an electromagnetic connection to the pen, and there are pressure sensors in the tablet face. Amazing that they make this totally transparent to the tablet design.
So theoretically, if the tablet is triggering the pen, and there's more than one pen, it could cause an issue, hence Wacom's suggestion.
On your suggestion and from reading other posts, looks like LectureNotes may be better all around. I've started using it, so we'll see.
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Actually, you're not all wrong with your magnet theory and that is indeed how many similar products are working. But the note (and all other Wacom's products) use a kind of electromagnetic waves that are transmitted from the tablet. The wave is then picked up by the pen, first to generate a small amount of electricity in the pen (kind of like an induction stove) that runs a small chip inside the pen that finally will transmit a modified version of the wave back to the tablet. There's a pressure sensor in the pen that gives the chip information about how hard you press and the button is somehow connected to the chip as well. Due to some algorithms the tablet can compare the received wave with the transmitted wave and get a really accurate position of the pen and its conditions (button pressed or not and pressure level).
A simple but quite accurate description is a "piano fork" (you know, the tuning device for a piano). The tablet is the string and the pen is the fork, when getting close to the tablet the pen starts to oscillate. The tablet then picks up these oscillations and depending on the frequency of the wave and phase shift (how much after in time the oscillations are) it can determine the position.
Hope that made somewhat sense
For note taking LectureNotes is outstanding, if there's something you don't like about it there's a great chance there's a setting that fixes it!
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I second the vote for the S-Pen with eraser. Have been using it for two days now and wouldn't go without anymore. Good size, could do with a bit more heft (that's probably where the FEEL has the advantage), but the button is well-placed and the eraser end is just so convenient to have.
Can't comment on the FEEL as I don't have one and being happy with the S-Pen with eraser I don't think I'll order one anytime soon.
EDIT: forgot to add that it's (unsurprisingly) just as accurate as the original included S-Pen.
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I have a Samsung 7 Series slate and when I try it's pen on my Note 10.1, the offset is horrible. It has an eraser and it's longer and thicker than stock pen, but the offset is every disturbing. Both the stock Note 10.1 and Slate pen feel nice on the Slate.
The wacom feel just, well... FEEL right. It is as accurate as the stock pen; I have the carbon one so it is heavy and writing notes with it is fantastic, I get no squigles, and the button is flush to the pen, so it is actually very hard to press (even when you want to press it).
You can try one of the Axiotron pens, but these are near impossible to get these days. These pens are very nice. The pen for any Wacom-IT enabled slate or convertible PC should work as well. I don't have any experience with any other pen other than the Axiotron and S7S pen, and I can tell you that at least on my case the S7S pen had some serious offset on my Note 10.1.
I am using the Bamboo Stylus Feel for drawing on the LayerPaint app. I forgot you can handwrite notes
The pressure sensitivity is waaaay better then the first Galaxy note Pen. AND it just survived a trip in the washing machine since I forgot it was in my shirt pocket when doing laundry. Two days later and it is working great again.
I felt the button was way to stiff. But it is broken in a bit now and seems pretty good. I keep it under my thumb or pointer and it seems like a fine spot.
I do have a lot of trouble with registration on the GN1 if I rotate it with the screen orientation locked. I have to hold the pen vertical. But if you are taking notes, I guess this isn't and issue.
vs SPen with eraser?
Is there anybody that has the Bamboo Feel and the SPen with an eraser that can provide input? I'm a college student and I'll use the stylus almost exclusively for note-taking. (On paper, I write with a Uniball Signo DX 0.38mm, pretty thin pen). I'm torn between these two. Thanks!
I have both and prefer the Feel for the size, diameter and weight. If the eraser is the major criteria, then the Feel is no option. But all programs offer a quick eraser by selection and the button could also be used.
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I have both and prefer the Feel for the size, diameter and weight. If the eraser is the major criteria, then the Feel is no option. But all programs offer a quick eraser by selection and the button could also be used.
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Thank you, one more thing: How is the precision compared between the two? I remember reading in another thread about an annoying offset that had to be calibrated in LectureNotes with the Feel. Thanks again for your response :good:
Both pens are accurate, I did not see any offset.
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So I just spoke to a Samsung representative and in summary they said no because I do not have Wacom built into my tablet. I'd just like to confirm this and does this mean our tablet would be unable to do Palm Rejection with any kind of pen?
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So I just spoke to a Samsung representative and in summary they said no because I do not have Wacom built into my tablet. I'd just like to confirm this and does this mean our tablet would be unable to do Palm Rejection with any kind of pen?
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Right. No active pen. Palm rejection can be achieved with some note taking software which provides you a dead zone where you can rest your palm. Still this is not as elegant a solution as with an active digitizer. You can also use a screen wiping cloth and just place it beneath your palm as you write. A bit kludgey but it works and it keeps your screen clean.
The other option will be to wait for the Note version of the S tablet which I am sure is forthcoming.
=/ It's too late for me now since I've bought the tablet already so I guess I'll have to find someway to work around it.
Samsung at one point had a Bluetooth Pen. Could something like that work?
I bought this tablet for copying down note after I come home from university.
Before buying it I looked around to see if there was any app for taking notes with palm rejection features, these where the two I found: Lecture Notes and INKRedible.
INKRedible is also available for apple devices and since I had an iPad 2 I could test it with, I gave it a try.. It was working quite good.
So I decided to buy my Tab s 8.4 and today I tested INKRedible, it isn't working at all... Does anyone have any clue why it isn't working? How come it is working so well on ipad and not at all on my tab s?
Is there an alternative app?
I've been slowly figuring out the best companion device for my use case. I have a powerful desktop and also a powerful Wacom Windows tablet for school. The windows tablet is overkill, and I cant stand the active cooling (fan noise) in a classroom setting. There are Core M and Atom options, but they're Windows, and as a tablet, I don't really like Windows.
When I'm at home and not on my desktop, I'm using Android. So for my day to day notetaking operation at school and media consumption at home, I think this Note 10.1 2014 will be my best bet. I'll appreciate the weight, beautiful display, and Wacom.
I'll likely load a stock Android ROM because I can't stand TW and don't really care about S-Pen gimmicks, just inking.
My big gripe: the golf-pencil S-Pen. I've read other pens don't track well on the Note, and there's not a calibration tool like Windows.
Any larger pens you guys use with great tracking? Eraser end and buttons would be appreciative as well, but not sure how they work on Android.
Don't quite get it. You want a pen to do what the s pen does that's not an s pen. As the only gripe is calling it a golf pen , when its well made, looks stylish with the gridded signed metal looking end ,does its job perfectly, size is covered by the fact that you only hold the end to grip as with a normal pen , and the rest just goes up your hand, and multiple eraser functions are just a screen tap away. Naa don't fix what ain't broke. Ha ha unless your secretly a Windows tech developer , picking people's brains how to make a windows tablet as good as this note, lol
Worst comes to the worst get an s pen holder, an ave it large lol. Good luck with your search. Just thought are all the note pens the same size .
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Don't quite get it. You want a pen to do what the s pen does that's not an s pen. As the only gripe is calling it a golf pen , when its well made, looks stylish with the gridded signed metal looking end ,does its job perfectly, size is covered by the fact that you only hold the end to grip as with a normal pen , and the rest just goes up your hand, and multiple eraser functions are just a screen tap away. Naa don't fix what ain't broke. Ha ha unless your secretly a Windows tech developer , picking people's brains how to make a windows tablet as good as this note, lol
Worst comes to the worst get an s pen holder, an ave it large lol. Good luck with your search. Just thought are all the note pens the same size .
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Wow, you sure do sound like a Samsung fanboy. Secondly, I asked for note takers and artists to respond, not someone who obviously has little to no experience with Wacom tech and pennable tablets. I guarantee this Note is a little toy for you that you briefly use S-Pen gimmicks with. I don't care about faux metal, a flat button that's hard to press, no eraser, and a tiny stick. I care about a normal sized pen with good functionality, and no digitizer offset.
Try to write notes for an entire working day with that little S-Pen of yours and then check back here. Thought so.
Take a look, it works for me and many else
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2669559
The Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet Pen described in this post works with no offset on my Note 10.1 2014 edition (I've tried varying the writing angle and still haven't produced anything). Do have to press a little harder than with the S-pen, but it is a little larger (and round, rather than flattened) and so easier to use for longer sessions.
As I don't actually use the button on the S-pen, and so don't care about covering it, I slide the grip from a cheap pen around it to make it a little wider. It has an eraser end, but I have my writing apps set so I can erase with my finger anyway, so don't actually use this.
I don't draw on the tablet, but do use it for note-taking and annotation (actually the only reason I bought it).
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The Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet Pen described in this post works with no offset on my Note 10.1 2014 edition (I've tried varying the writing angle and still haven't produced anything). Do have to press a little harder than with the S-pen, but it is a little larger (and round, rather than flattened) and so easier to use for longer sessions.
As I don't actually use the button on the S-pen, and so don't care about covering it, I slide the grip from a cheap pen around it to make it a little wider. It has an eraser end, but I have my writing apps set so I can erase with my finger anyway, so don't actually use this.
I don't draw on the tablet, but do use it for note-taking and annotation (actually the only reason I bought it).
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Thanks, I'm hoping the Fujitsu Lifebook stylus with the hard felt wacom nibs (my preferred setup after a lot of trial and error) will work on the Note with no offset. Sad that people have to hack up a ball-point pen and make their own bigger stylus.
Market the Note as a note taking/art device but then don't offer any options for a comfortable stylus. Makes perfect sense.
I can tell you that Fujitsu stylus has got offset on Galaxy Note 10.1 2014, I own both
I am ready to love the Note 7. I got the black model and I love how it looks with no chrome, very cool. I was worried about the dual edges at first because I hated how the S7 Edge felt in my hands and the functionality (or mis-functionality) of the edge. However, I love the way the Note7 edges look and function. I also love how it fits my hands and is much easier to use one handed than the Note 5. However, I found a flaw today that I hope is just an oversight on my part and not really the case. After searching on line for a while I have not found an answer to my issue, so here I am.
One thing I use the S Pen for quite a bit is touching up or editing photo's. I am not looking to do Photoshop level work here, but maybe a small touch up here or there. Going all the way back to the Note 2 I have just used the stock editor launching it from within the gallery app. I could then select drawing and do whatever I wanted with the S Pen to the photo. One featured I use all the time while doing this is the ability to pick the color of the pen from a color on the photo using the common "dropper" tool. Lets say for example I had a great picture of myself but noticed a big mustard stain on my shirt. I could use the dropper to select the color of my shirt and more or less make the stain go away. I cannot find this function anywhere with the Note 7! I have looked under every "pen" type and seemingly every sub-menu, but I cannot find the dropper anywhere. Someone please tell me this is not the case and I am simply overlooking it. If it is in fact the case and there is another app that I should be using to edit photos with S Pen functionality, please enlighten me. I cannot figure out why they would have decided to get rid of this simple but useful tool.
Sidenote: I was pretty excited to get a shipment E-mail from Samsung today saying my free 256GB SD card has been shipped. I submitted my claim on 8/18 when I got the phone. That is the quickest turn around on a promotion I have seen from Samsung.
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I am ready to love the Note 7. I got the black model and I love how it looks with no chrome, very cool. I was worried about the dual edges at first because I hated how the S7 Edge felt in my hands and the functionality (or mis-functionality) of the edge. However, I love the way the Note7 edges look and function. I also love how it fits my hands and is much easier to use one handed than the Note 5. However, I found a flaw today that I hope is just an oversight on my part and not really the case. After searching on line for a while I have not found an answer to my issue, so here I am.
One thing I use the S Pen for quite a bit is touching up or editing photo's. I am not looking to do Photoshop level work here, but maybe a small touch up here or there. Going all the way back to the Note 2 I have just used the stock editor launching it from within the gallery app. I could then select drawing and do whatever I wanted with the S Pen to the photo. One featured I use all the time while doing this is the ability to pick the color of the pen from a color on the photo using the common "dropper" tool. Lets say for example I had a great picture of myself but noticed a big mustard stain on my shirt. I could use the dropper to select the color of my shirt and more or less make the stain go away. I cannot find this function anywhere with the Note 7! I have looked under every "pen" type and seemingly every sub-menu, but I cannot find the dropper anywhere. Someone please tell me this is not the case and I am simply overlooking it. If it is in fact the case and there is another app that I should be using to edit photos with S Pen functionality, please enlighten me. I cannot figure out why they would have decided to get rid of this simple but useful tool.
Sidenote: I was pretty excited to get a shipment E-mail from Samsung today saying my free 256GB SD card has been shipped. I submitted my claim on 8/18 when I got the phone. That is the quickest turn around on a promotion I have seen from Samsung.
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Had a quick look at your dilemma. Can't find the dropper either.
Regarding your sidenote, the quickest I've seen Samsung was when my note 7 came with the 256gb memory card shrink wrapped to the same box as the phone. Was thinking I'll need to fill out forms etc to get the card once the phone arrived but surprise surprise, the card was there too.