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Since I own a Motorola Defy I feel this board is my home but if the moderators feel this post needs to be moved to another board then please do by any means.
As some of you may be aware of I've been posting my frustrations of late Froyo update from Motorola in this thread. You might not care how late and why they are late with the updates but I do because I rely on the updates to do more with my smartphone.
You may have already read that virtually there isn't any major change between Anroid 2.2 and 2.3 other than security fixes. Hello? Did you just say the majority of changes in the operating system are about security fixes? Why then the manufacturer of my handset is not ensuring my handset is safe to use then? I will try to answer this question shortly.
I don't use a smartphone for a hobby. I truly, like most of you, use my smartphone for productivity. Checking emails on the road, taking notes, instant satellite navigations, web browsing, occasional shopping, music, to read books, and document editing on the go are few to name. To do all those tasks I need to rely on a reliable network service, hardware, and the operating system that enables me to have all those software applications I need. This post is not about network services nor about hardware but I just like to say Motorola Defy has been a good phone, hardware wise, and indeed it should be able to handle Gingerbread if the 512MB RAM is not a limitation.
There are a lot of debates about mobile closed and open operating systems such as iOS and Android respectively on the internet. I'm beginning to see closed operating systems like iOS, WP, RIM, and WebOS are in fact a better choice unlike what open OS proponents have been trying to make us to believe. Ok, lets first see why Android is for free. But before that let me remind you Android is not open-sourced and in fact Google recently made it clear they are not going to let anyone see the source codes, let alone to use them (recompile). They are very public about freebies but not so public about the small prints.
Everything Google does is calculated either for a short strategy or for a long one. That is not for me to say if that is a good thing or bad. My concern is having options in the future not only for myself but also for the next generations such as your children.
Android has been given freely to handset manufacturers to build smartphones. To realise the magnitude of business opportunities Android brought to them you only need to look at the once king of mobile maker Nokia where they are today. Their out-dated Symbian OS alone did all the damage. Google is giving away Android for free to control the market in relation to their services. Dependability has always been the key factor of Google's success for as long as I remember. Google may one day even give away free handsets if that fits with their long term strategy.
At first it might appear to you Google can control the handset manufacturers since they are giving them huge business opportunities. That is far from the reality. Manufacturers also know, like most of us, why Google is giving away their OS for free and have already turned the table to their own advantage. Google recently signed an agreement with their major partners to ensure Android updates are delivered to us consumers quicker. The consumers who are vast in numbers and pay for everything are the losers in the battle of controlling the market by businesses.
In my opinion, Google has been hiding more security issues in Android than we are made to believe. They have recently covered up a serious security issue and never explained publicly how they managed to fix that other than explaining something was fixed on their server-side. I believe the problems are serious enough and if it is revealed Google’s reputation will be damaged. I have no proof as I don’t have access to Google internal documents. Admitting to Gmail security preaches that happened months ago today (3 June, 2011) is another hint that Google is not open about their security issues. Please remember, unlike your Windows machines Android does not have a built-in firewall or antivirus.
Back to the question that I asked earlier, why then the manufacturer of my handset is not ensuring my handset is safe to use then? They simply don’t want you to have the latest Android version on your handset because of their Business Model. New Android version goes on to their new handsets, at least initially. There are cases where a particular handset from a manufacturer gets all the updates. The reason behind this is that the handset in question has returned its expected profits or the handset considered as a flagship that most likely continues its pedigree. Examples of these are Samsung’s Galaxy S, Sony Ericson’s Xperia, Motorola’s Droid X. Providing updates to older flagship handsets is to keep existing customers loyal. I don’t see anything bad in this one.
I really see the advantage apple users get for not being dependent on manufacturers to get updates. The same goes to all so called closed Mobile OS. As much as it was heart breaking to hear about the Chinese boy who sold his kidney to buy iPad 2, I’m glad he didn’t buy an Android device otherwise he would have to sell something else for the software updates alone.
I already know my next phone is going to be an Android device but I will keep my eyes on the promised improvements in regards to the updates delivery and if nothing is changed then I will take my business to another company where I know I have to wait weeks not months for updates and if there is a critical security issue I don’t have to pull my battery and SIM card to protect my data.
Ok I hesitated before creating this topic because everytime you mention Android here you end up with arguments and closed threads. Let's try to all behave like adults that can have a proper conversation.
So, Google buys Motorola Mobility... Do you think other OEMs will come running to Microsoft anytime soon? And should they be welcome with open arms? Or do you think Microsoft should also make its hardware and buy Nokia/RIM? I'm not sure which is the best strategy but it's likely this will hugely impact Windows Phone.
Dont think anything will change or this will have any big impact on WP7. htc, samsung, etc always had android as their preferred platform and make boatloads of cash from it, this will likely just make them compete harder and possibly neglect WP7 even more. Which basically is the situation today.
I think MS should buy Nokia after WP7 is well established and selling well, then they can build on that and not be beholden to the android OEM's.
1. Windows Phone 7 will not be running on Motorola/Google hardware
2. More focus on internal hardware, ie; updates will be released for internal hardware ahead of what is release to other suppliers
3. Multi-vendor support will decline ane more WP7 support
4. Increase in WP7 support at the expense of Android
Apple does its manufacturing in-house.
Google owns Motorola.
Microsoft's major partner is Nokia.
It's all the same thing, just with a different spin on it. Nothing will change. If anything, it might make OEM's prefer Windows Phone over Android... probably not, but maybe. It's all speculation anyway.
efjay said:
Dont think anything will change or this will have any big impact on WP7. htc, samsung, etc always had android as their preferred platform and make boatloads of cash from it, this will likely just make them compete harder and possibly neglect WP7 even more. Which basically is the situation today.
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I don't know, eventually Motorola phones will get exclusive features and will probably be the only Android phones that get day one updates like the Nexus One/S. If Motorola sales grow too much there's a case to be made for Samsung, HTC, etc. to go and look elsewhere.
one big patant war
so now we have google&motorola vs MS&nokia vs apple&(let them buy samsung)
I was about to make the same question, I think that Google buying Motorola Mobile maybe will help WP7, why? Because now the other OEMs will have to compete against Google as a Hardware maker... Before, they were where partners, now they're competing companies and obviously Google will have preference for Motorola over the other companies when delivering updates, etc... That's my thinking...
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Means we are screwed. Not!
Motorola aint Nokia. But yes, expect some real nasty Android devices, as Google is (dont deny) a creative company. HTC and Samsung will spend more time trying to follow Motorola, as Motorola will always update their phones fast as Google update Android.
It will be nice, I admit. One of the fatal flaw of Android just ended together with the treat of the patent war (which puts Google again on feet).
Android will run better on Motorola devices, smoothier, since they are going to work with the hardware and software.
No WP7 on Motorola since Google hate it so bad (look at our Youtube and Google search page).
Maybe less chances to WP7, because 50% of the market is already using Android. Google is more Apple alike now, and this should count.
But probably HTC, Samsung and LG is going to try some more of WP7 Mango juice. Or I hope so. Sony Ericksson would be nice too..
With a good deal I can see Samsung and LG making more WP7 devices, but SE??? I don't know... :-S
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I wouldnt bet on that.. But hope is the to die, right? I like SE's phone. More than LG and Samsung for sure.
Probably means Apple goes after Motorola and Google now and gives Microsoft and Samsung a break. Or they hire even more lawyers to go after all the above.
Oh...what does it mean to us, the consumers? Probably higher prices to pay for all those f**king lawyers.
markgamber said:
Probably means Apple goes after Motorola and Google now and gives Microsoft and Samsung a break. Or they hire even more lawyers to go after all the above.
Oh...what does it mean to us, the consumers? Probably higher prices to pay for all those f**king lawyers.
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Yeah, it makes sense too.
everything to do with patents and nothing to do with hardware.
oh, and a few people just DOUBLED their money on moto-mobile, ill bet. look at the price jump ! wow !
this only effects microsofts ability to sue google, and no royalties. smart move google.
whatever happens, the patent system is still stupid and broken
Sure it's mainly about patents but Google could have just bought/licensed the patents for a lot less, I don't see Motorola turning them down. I think if they went for the whole of Motorola Mobility it's to also make a strong line of hardware. You don't pay $12.5 Billion to not make the best handsets you can when you get an OEM in the package.
Motorola, TBH I was unware they made an android phone!
the acquisition of MM is just about as quiet as MS's acquisition of Danger in 2008. Anyone remember that...not a lot of people =/
Hello the result is Android more protected, and widows phone falling its gud move by google
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Well, I will tell you the future I foresee.
Apple will still be around selling iPhones.
Samsung, HTC, LG, etc. will still be selling Android handsets, but the majority of the handsets they sell will be Windows Phones.
Motorola Mobility (eh. Google Mobility) will be making record breaking profit and will be responsible for 70%+ of all Android phones produce.
Windows Phone will make up the majority of the smartphone market share.
Microsoft will license (but not buy) many technologies from RIM including BlackBerry Messenger.
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Well, I will tell you the future I foresee.
1) Apple will still be around selling iPhones.
2) Samsung, HTC, LG, etc. will still be selling Android handsets, but the majority of the handsets they sell will be Windows Phones.
3) Motorola Mobility (eh. Google Mobility) will be making record breaking profit and will be responsible for 70%+ of all Android phones produce.
4) Windows Phone will make up the majority of the smartphone market share.
5) Microsoft will license (but not buy) many technologies from RIM including BlackBerry Messenger.
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1 yep, nice ones even if i don't like their lockdown
2 er - who what why where when - is this going to start happening ?
3 those droiiiiiiiiid commercials were already old. hopefully they branch out in marketing. like htc.
4 repeat of 2
5 why on earth would M$ ever care/want anything about bbm ?
No one knows where this one will head. It all depends on what Google's intentions are for the hardware side of the business. It's doubtful that Google seriously wants to be in the hardware business.
The only firm conclusions I think we can reach are...
(1) It was all about the patents.
(2) Google is more serious about mobile than many people thought previously. They just spent a good chunk of their cash hoard on a bunch of patents that may or may not be sufficient to protect Android and/or they spent a bunch of money on an overpriced phone maker. Either way, they probably more than doubled their total investment in Android.
Personally, I think G will be selling pieces off to interested parties, but I could be wrong.
MS is in an interesting position now. Google just handed them a great talking point for their sales pitch to Samsung/HTC/SE but the BFF relationship with Nokia takes the wind out of that sail. Hard to tell what their next move should be.
Interesting times ahead. Time to go make some more popcorn.
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http://www.androidauthority.com/android-jelly-bean-multiple-nexus-devices-86027/
WSJ: Multiple Nexus devices coming this fall, from five manufacturers, Jelly Bean onboard
Traditionally in the Android development cycle, major versions have launched at the end of the year (exception being Gingerbread/Honeycomb). According to the Wall Street Journal, Android Jelly Bean should launch this year, “by Thanksgiving”.
Will this be Android 5.0 or another version? That depends on Google’s plans for their I/O developer event happening in June. Andy Rubin’s team has two options: one, launch an Android 4.1 version with some improvements at I/O (and call it Jelly Bean), and then give a new name to Android 5.0. Two, use the event to showcase upcoming features of Android 5.0 Jelly Bean, and release it this fall.
Now, the rumor in WSJ says that Google is getting five manufacturers (probably Samsung, HTC, Motorola, Sony and LG – no love for Huawei, Google?) to release “Nexus devices”, all at the same time, this fall. How is this possible? Well, Google plans to give all of them early access to the next major version of Android, much like Microsoft does with Windows and WP7 manufacturers.
Google plans to launch the next version of Android with all of them at once , with some less important manufacturers launching a little later.
So what does this mean for us, the users? It means that we get to choose from at least 5 phones and maybe some tablets, too (some manufacturers will choose to release both a phone and a tablet), so our choices for stock Android devices will greatly improve. Even better, they will all be available from day one. That means that, if you don’t like a particular Nexus device, you have several others to choose from, and you won’t have to wait many more months until other devices appear.
This deal means that stock devices will flood the market. Also, manufacturers will have early access to the Android code, meaning that they will also be able to upgrade their skins faster and launch new devices faster. However, the first devices will still be only stock Android. And Google should make sure of that through a formal agreement.
According to WSJ, the Nexus devices will most likely be sold through Google’s Play Store in US, Europe and Asia, which again is a great move for Google, because they’ll be able to wrestle control over Android from carriers. It won’t hurt carriers too much, because at least in US, most people still buy phones through carrier subsidies, but it should work very well in markets in Europe and Asia.
Overall, this is a very smart move from Google, that will benefit themselves, the consumers, and even the manufacturers.
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Huawei was already facing serious trouble following the Trump administration's de facto ban, but it might get considerably worse. Reuters sources claim Google has suspended transactions with Huawei that require transferring proprietary hardware and software, hobbling much of its smartphone business outside of China. It "immediately" loses access to future OS updates beyond the Android Open Source Project, according to the insider, and upcoming phones would have to go without official apps like the Google Play Store and Gmail.
The company is still "internally" discussing which services are going away, the source said. Google would cut off all tech support and collaboration for Android and services, however.
We've asked Google for comment. If accurate, though, the suspension would represent a serious blow to Huawei's mobile efforts. Although this shouldn't dent the company's Chinese business much (it can't use Google apps in the country), it depends on access to Google apps to remain competitive with devices like the P30 Pro. So long as the US blacklisting persists, Huawei might have to rely on third-party apps and services just to offer fully functional handsets -- and there's no guarantee customers will be receptive to the change.
Updates for Play Services and apps will still go through, as they don't require that Google interacts with Huawei. OS and security updates, however, are strictly off-limits.
https://www.engadget.com/2019/05/19/google-pulls-android-support-from-huawei/
I'm reeling because I JUST bought a Huawei phone (Y6 2019) overseas (El Salvador). However, most of my dealings are with companies in the U.S., like BofA, Amazon, eBay, etc. My son keeps me connected to his media and the rest of my family is there. What can we expect to happen if Google decides to cut Huawei's connecting it's customers from non-open services??
And, for instance, my BofA app might not work unless I have certain security apps in place.
Will rooting my phone be a workaround?
Gah! Glad I can claim I DIDN'T vote for the orange creature.
Is there a alternative solution for this problem for Huawei phones
Looks like it came to an end... Link: https://www.techradar.com/news/xiaomi-may-have-ditched-the-android-one-program
Seems so. Android One was a serious project, but is not anymore as it doesn't meet its goals anymore. Shame that such big companies do it this way, unofficially.
Shame on that company WHO given work to 3rd party
With this update policy it's the right decision.
They should leave android one and stay with their miui surface.
Well Android one have strict rules on what apps OEM can install, other company might pay xiaomi that their app will be install on the device, but in Android one thats not possible.
Some ads and 3rd party ads tracker is also for forbidden to be installed by the manufacturer in android one.
Besides, with the existence of project treble, why do they need android one? ;When there's something that is free and somewhat the same thing, and yes they pay royalties to google when they install android one.
shizuni said:
Besides, with the existence of project treble, why do they need android one? ;When there's something that is free and somewhat the same thing, and yes they pay royalties to google when they install android one.
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They dont need Android ONE, but some users want device with "clean" Android with garanted updates for 2 major updates.
For some users, Pixel device is too expensive so Android ONE device is almost perfect.
So that means, abandon the ship of our ****y phone, before it's too late?
Maybe, google and their pixel phones have to have, their renome.
It's theirs choice to keep Android One and GoogleGo OS'es
its clearly android one its over their enginners heads and miui its made by china government