[Q]is fast charging - Google Pixel 3 XL Questions & Answers

Is fast charge software based, or hardware? Can custom ROMs unlock this feature so any wireless charger can be used to fast charge?
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i dont know the technicial limitations of wireless charging (someone else will need to chime in there) but this mod allows wireless charging to act a little faster (i'm not sure if it's true "fast charging"):
https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-3-xl/themes/root-faster-wireless-charging-using-t3900643

chewy74 said:
Is fast charge software based, or hardware? Can custom ROMs unlock this feature so any wireless charger can be used to fast charge?
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No. Just buy a Belkin (Google version). They go on sale all the time. Other than the Pixel stand, the Belkin is the only other one I am aware of that will fast charge.

v12xke said:
No. Just buy a Belkin (Google version). They go on sale all the time. Other than the Pixel stand, the Belkin is the only other one I am aware of that will fast charge.
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Portable charger type c to type c works too

I remember some people experience issues trying to fast charge with wireless chargers not authorized by google. You can mod stuff to do it, but if it breaks your phone you have no recourse.

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Preview, Choetech quick charge 3.0 accessories

Hi All,
Got a car charger and multi port charger coming from choetech, I've used their stuff in the past and they are up there with anker as 3rd part cable companies go.
heres an early preview of them, They are looking for beta testers so you can sign up here: http://www.choetech.com/Support-review.html
Be interesting to see what these are like with the htc 10, i will let everyone know more once i receive the items.
@Phil750123, Thanks for sharing this information, I'll be glad to test the car charger!
I actually have the qc3 wall charger. So far it's charging pretty fast on my s7. Agree with other posters that the quality seems really good. Will know how it compares to stock when I get the HTC 10.
Yeah their quality is great. They were the first to come out with a good USB type C wall charger for the Nexus 6p
They're just a little bit logo happy.
RoHS eh idk. Fake CE.. And don't even get me started on that FCC logo.. Someone needs to tell them who/what FCC is..
The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) regulates interstate and international communications by radio, television, wire, satellite and cable.
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Why on earth would a charger need that..
To me they just look like another chinese manufacturer.
Atleast have the brains to use appropriate logos so they'd be semi passable, like I don't know TÜV or UL and so forth..
And, of course, they're nowhere to be seen on Qualcomm's certified accessories list. Not even any QC2.0..
P.S. I did apply for testing, they sent me an email, I replied. Let's see if they send something lol. I'm not a liar so I'm gonna be honest if I do get their stuff for review
Yer they look decent I already have some of their usb c cables, I've just ordered the qc 3 portable charger from them aswell so il review them all and see how get on. But yer they make no mention of favourable reviews they just want a review, which means they are confident in their products which hopefully means they are good
Nice, I have some on the way, they look good.
I actually asked this question at qualcomm but they wouldn't answer, maybe someone knows the answer here, hopefully it is not too confusing.
I was wondering about the QC 3.0 technology chargers. My question is, say I buy a wall charger or a car charger that supports QC 3.0); will it charge my type C phone (say an LG G5 or an HTC 10) as fast with the QC 3.0 technology using a type A to type C cable? I know if I charge a type C device using only type c it will get me faster charges, but if I do type A to type C (with QC 3.0) with the right charger will I still get the best results?
Thanks.
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PaoloMix09 said:
I actually asked this question at qualcomm but they wouldn't answer, maybe someone knows the answer here, hopefully it is not too confusing.
I was wondering about the QC 3.0 technology chargers. My question is, say I buy a wall charger or a car charger that supports QC 3.0); will it charge my type C phone (say an LG G5 or an HTC 10) as fast with the QC 3.0 technology using a type A to type C cable? I know if I charge a type C device using only type c it will get me faster charges, but if I do type A to type C (with QC 3.0) with the right charger will I still get the best results?
Thanks.
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type A to type c wil reduce charging times even with 3.0. I went with these cables and for a car charger I got this one both should give the rapid charging.
afuller42 said:
type A to type c wil reduce charging times even with 3.0. I went with these cables and for a car charger I got this one both should give the rapid charging.
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Thanks for clarifying, I wasn't sure. I think the HTC 10 charger comes with 3.0 quick charge, but it is a type A to type C.
I actually just got my QC 3.0 Powerbank from Choetech and I love it. Charges everything fast just like the spec allows for, and has a great build quality. One small thing I like is that when fast charging, the first light to the left switches from blue to green to indicate that. I just appreciate the assurance that my device is gonna be juiced up quick. The only thing that's odd about it is that you need to press the power button for charging to begin. I'd prefer it to just start when a device is connected, but that's my personal preference.
Overall I still really like the thing, great to have a powerbank that charges just as fast as my wall charger, before I was stuck with one that didn't have and QC capability. I'll include some pics below.
If anyone has any questions about it, let me know. Should also be getting a 6 port QC 3 charger from them soon too, will post on here when I do.
guyverzero said:
I actually just got my QC 3.0 Powerbank from Choetech and I love it. Charges everything fast just like the spec allows for, and has a great build quality. One small thing I like is that when fast charging, the first light to the left switches from blue to green to indicate that. I just appreciate the assurance that my device is gonna be juiced up quick. The only thing that's odd about it is that you need to press the power button for charging to begin. I'd prefer it to just start when a device is connected, but that's my personal preference.
Overall I still really like the thing, great to have a powerbank that charges just as fast as my wall charger, before I was stuck with one that didn't have and QC capability. I'll include some pics below.
If anyone has any questions about it, let me know. Should also be getting a 6 port QC 3 charger from them soon too, will post on here when I do.
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I was looking at this on Amazon last night, but they don't seem to be on Qualcomm's official partner list, which makes me a bit nervous for my battery (which I'm not super impressed with anyway so far - one of the reasons I was looking at the power bank). Do either the phone or the charger get hot while charging? The HTC QC3 charger seems to prevent overheating.
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I was looking at this on Amazon last night, but they don't seem to be on Qualcomm's official partner list, which makes me a bit nervous for my battery (which I'm not super impressed with anyway so far - one of the reasons I was looking at the power bank). Do either the phone or the charger get hot while charging? The HTC QC3 charger seems to prevent overheating.
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They aren't, but speeds have been up to par with what I'd expect from QC3 so far so I haven't had problems with it. The charger gets warm after a bit, as does the phone (warmer than with stock charger) but also nowhere near as much as the M9 would when charging. Don't know if you've used that before, but when charging regularly it would get so hot that it had to stop, and that's even with screen off. It was crazy bad at charging, which is a thing I never thought I'd say about a 2015 flagship....so I'm glad the 10 is better in that regard, at least. I'd imagine almost any third party charger is gonna make the phone hotter than the OEM one will, but I didn't have a problem with the heat it generated, overall.
Choetech Qualcomm Quick Charge 3.0 Powerbank
I actually have the Quick Charge 3.0 Powerbank from them too.
I did a written review here on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/review/R1ZWR923TFDD2J/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B01AAHT62A
and a video Review on YouTube:
For whatever reason, the YouTube vid isn't showing properly, so here's the link:
https://youtu.be/AwXLqECy0R0
Im still waiting for the main qc 3.0 to arrive from china, but i also got the choetech qc3 portable charger and it works great.
Im just waiting for my usb multireader to come and il check out the voltages etc.. just to double check its all safe, but i've had choetech stuff in the past and had
no issues, they have good warranty so they must trust their quality.

Looking for good wireless charger ~$20

Any suggestions? New to the wireless charging. 1st and last device I had that supported it was the Nexus 6 and with a case it didn't work so I gave up.
US based
Are you in the US?
sway40 said:
Are you in the US?
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Yes
I am interested, too -- thanks!
Novakingwai said:
Yes
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Best buy has a bundle deal with the pixel stand and it knocks the stand down to 59 dollars with a few other eligible bundle items.
Novakingwai said:
Any suggestions? New to the wireless charging. 1st and last device I had that supported it was the Nexus 6 and with a case it didn't work so I gave up.
US based
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I've had good luck with choetech products in the past. they have several wireless chargers, haven't tried any of the newer ones but they've pretty much been my go-to since the 6p and switching to usb c
This will be my first wireless charger.
Do we need to buy a certain type/spec or just buy any old wireless charger off of Amazon?
I'd like to find a slim matt-style to lay on my bedroom nightstand to just dump my phone on top of when I go to bed.
So in that sense, I'm fine with super slow charging.
CZ Eddie said:
This will be my first wireless charger.
Do we need to buy a certain type/spec or just buy any old wireless charger off of Amazon?
I'd like to find a slim matt-style to lay on my bedroom nightstand to just dump my phone on top of when I go to bed.
So in that sense, I'm fine with super slow charging.
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it can do 10w, but in that case the older 5w ones will do. that said, back in the Nexus days I loved having the phone at an angle as a bedside clock (in fact, that's what my n7 is still primarily used for lol) so you may want to consider a stand charger.
So look for a 5W or 10W charger (or something in between), okay cool, thanks.
seriously yeah, I know that little about wireless.
Look for fast charge support and decide on a form factor. The small circles usually have a smaller sweet spot and by being smaller themselves make it easier for your phone to get bumped off of charge by kids, the dog, whatever, bumping the surface the charger is on. I'd consider spending a little more and getting a more stable platform rather than go with the small stuff. As said above if you want to see the phone on charge then you're going to need a vertical charger and you're going to need to decide if you want it in landscape or portrait and get a charger designed for that. If you're looking for a charger for use at a desk or in a working environment I would certainly lean toward upright so you can used your calculator and other tools while on charge. If you just want to flop it down to charge without any use of the phone then the lay flat versions tend to be cheaper.
Just bought two to try out on Amazon. Going to test them out on my Pixel 3 Xl and my ladies iPhone xs. Both chargers were under $20 each.
Novakingwai said:
Any suggestions? New to the wireless charging. 1st and last device I had that supported it was the Nexus 6 and with a case it didn't work so I gave up.
US based
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Caseology has a fast 10w wireless charger for 50% off on Amazon with a promo code, comes to about 20 bucks.....check my Caseology thread in accessories (it's a circular charger though, not the stand type)
I've bought this one and their wireless car charger and they both work great! I'd recommend them.
https://guru-gadgets.com/collection...cts/baseus-10w-qi-wireless-charger-for-iphone
CZ Eddie said:
So look for a 5W or 10W charger (or something in between), okay cool, thanks.
seriously yeah, I know that little about wireless.
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I just bought a pair of Nanami wireless stands from Amazon, 10 watts. It does do a fast charge, phone says charging rapidly. $26.00 with the charging brick, $16.00 without. I'm using the brick at my PC desk, and it's plugged into a 45 watt charger in my living room. Runs icy cool and really works well.
I say icy cool because I have an older Qi charger. The pad and the phone ran pretty warm which concerned me a bit.
The stand puts it at a nice viewing angle and makes the phone quite usable while charging.
This is NOT a paid endorsement
Lots of positive reviews.
There are standup wireless dock stations??
I need to Google this!
I have this one, it works and since I use it at night I don't care how long it takes to charge my phone.
AP has an article that says the Pixel 3 won't charge at more than 5W unless you have the Pixel stand. That's pretty lame on Google's part. It says the phone reports "charging rapidly" but really isn't. See here .
All of you might as well save your money and just get a decent one limited to 5w because that's what Google limited the pixel to for 3rd part wireless chargers
For everyone with wireless chargers can you kindly install Ampere from the playstore to confirm if any of them are charging above 500Mah ?
daleski75 said:
For everyone with wireless chargers can you kindly install Ampere from the playstore to confirm if any of them are charging above 500Mah ?
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I can confirm the pixel stand is charging faster than 500Mah.
daleski75 said:
For everyone with wireless chargers can you kindly install Ampere from the playstore to confirm if any of them are charging above 500Mah ?
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I can confirm that the Pixel Stand charges faster, but not the other fast wireless chargers that I have. The Seneo wireless charger that I have at my desk at work is only charging at ~500mA in spite of the fact that the phone indicates that it is "charging rapidly". I sincerely hope that Google fixes this and quickly.

So... how it is with the charging, exactly? -- USB-C and wireless charging question

I am wondering about charging options for G7 and ask about two particular which I am most interested about.
1. Immediately when I got it I thought "cool, let's charge it a bit, let it sip a bit of a power from USB-C from the desktop", however there came the surprise No.1 - G7 is not fast charging, my 6P is (6P charges in 1 hour and something), G7 reported over 3 hours to charge.
How to fast charge the G7 from USB-C? I have a capable HW for that and Nexus 6P works that way.
2. I saw some mentions here that G7 supports 10W if not even 15W wireless charging, is that info verified? I am planning on buying a wireless charger (one at home, one at work), but I would like to know if there is pretty much any reason to buy 10 or even 15W chargers.
dropadred said:
I am wondering about charging options for G7 and ask about two particular which I am most interested about.
1. Immediately when I got it I thought "cool, let's charge it a bit, let it sip a bit of a power from USB-C from the desktop", however there came the surprise No.1 - G7 is not fast charging, my 6P is (6P charges in 1 hour and something), G7 reported over 3 hours to charge.
How to fast charge the G7 from USB-C? I have a capable HW for that and Nexus 6P works that way.
2. I saw some mentions here that G7 supports 10W if not even 15W wireless charging, is that info verified? I am planning on buying a wireless charger (one at home, one at work), but I would like to know if there is pretty much any reason to buy 10 or even 15W chargers.
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1. The desktop usually doesn't support fast charging. You need a phone charger that supports fast charging. The one included in the box will charge the phone for 1 and a half hours. You can of course buy a new one.
2. Any wireless charger will work but it won't charge fast. I tried Samsung's fast wireless charger but it charged the phone slowly. I would say, just use a cable if you're on a hurry and maybe a wireless charger when you're not using your phone.
But the thing is, Nexus 6P can, it is even stating it is fast charging via the very same USB-C port and cable, so naturally I am wondering why G7 is not.
Right now, G7 is being charged from USB-C just as long (considering what the estimation at the bottom of the screens is) I reckon would be charged via 5W wireless charger. I have dismissed the idea of more powerful charger, I don't need it, for that I don't mind it would be charging even over 3 hours.
And here's an example of how even though its a USB C port on the phone, not all features are implemented equally. Its either looking for some sort of resistance on the line in the cable or something else similar to that, as my Anker cables won't fast charge the G7 but will fast charge my Moto Z Play on my computer (which has the right port specs to support fast charge). If you look at the supplied cable with the G7, you'll notice that only one side of the C connector has contacts, and even then its a small amount of contacts that don't cover the whole side. more than likely the USB C cable you are using is fully built out so the phone is probably deciding that it won't quick charge when a fully spec'd C cable is used.
that's just my speculation
Nexus 6P doesn't support Qualcomm QC at all. LG G7 does.
Nexus 6P uses Quick Charge based on USB-C technology.
Different phones, different technology, different story.
LameMonster82 said:
2. Any wireless charger will work but it won't charge fast. I tried Samsung's fast wireless charger but it charged the phone slowly. I would say, just use a cable if you're on a hurry and maybe a wireless charger when you're not using your phone.
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Because Samsung wireless chargers use their own proprietary standard but not industry Qi which G7 is supported. G7 needs Qi capable fast wireless charging pad to enable 15W mode
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dropadred said:
How to fast charge the G7 from USB-C? I have a capable HW for that and Nexus 6P works that way.
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Seems like Nexus 6P is capable of USB-C Power Delivery standard and G7 somehow is not. That's sad since I was hoping to buy one Anker or Aukey USB-C PD capable brick to charge G7 as fast as in can.
dropadred said:
2. I saw some mentions here that G7 supports 10W if not even 15W wireless charging, is that info verified? I am planning on buying a wireless charger (one at home, one at work), but I would like to know if there is pretty much any reason to buy 10 or even 15W chargers.
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As for fast wireless chargers somebody should open a thread in https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g7-thinq/accessories about choosing fast wireless chargers. Like this one which is stated as supporting LG V30 with Qi EPP

Belkin 10wt wireless charger coming

Belkin BOOSTUP Wireless Charging Pad 10W for Pixel 3 and Pixel 3 XL is coming in time. It will ACTUALLY charge at 10watts wirelessly like the Google wireless pad, but it will NOT do the extra tricks that the Google wireless pad does.
60$ USD
So $20 cheaper than google's charger. But you don't get the standing charger. And like Bukem75 said you wont get the Wireless tricks that do pixel charger does. But i'm sure that's not a problem with people here at XDA someone might come out with a modded apk or something to fix that.
Why not just buy the Pixel Stand?
mitchdickson said:
Why not just buy the Pixel Stand?
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Same... Waiting on my $50 store credit.
Bukem75 said:
Belkin BOOSTUP Wireless Charging Pad 10W for Pixel 3 and Pixel 3 XL is coming in time. It will ACTUALLY charge at 10watts wirelessly like the Google wireless pad, but it will NOT do the extra tricks that the Google wireless pad does.
60$ USD
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I pretty much avoid anything by belkin, so i'll pass on that. I also can't get myself to buy the Pixel Stand on principal, basically forcing their own proprietary wireless charging spec instead of just using the one everyone else uses. I would totally be interested if their proprietary standard was there just for their enhanced features, but I have fast wireless chargers everywhere (including my car) that are now limited to slow charging because they wanted to force the sale of their accessories.
Hoping someone researches the fast wireless charging issue to see if it's just a software limitation on the Qi fast wireless charging.
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I pretty much avoid anything by belkin, so i'll pass on that. I also can't get myself to buy the Pixel Stand on principal, basically forcing their own proprietary wireless charging spec instead of just using the one everyone else uses. I would totally be interested if their proprietary standard was there just for their enhanced features, but I have fast wireless chargers everywhere (including my car) that are now limited to slow charging because they wanted to force the sale of their accessories.
Hoping someone researches the fast wireless charging issue to see if it's just a software limitation on the Qi fast wireless charging.
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Correction, everyone else is using proprietary technology for fast wireless charging. The Qi standard is used by all brands up to 5w. After that, Samsung built it's own tech to reach 10w and apple did something else to reach 7.5w. All the chargers on the market these days have been forced to support 3 different charging specs because of this.
Now, Google COULD use the Qi spec for charging faster than 5w, but for whatever reason, it chose not to and is now adding a 4th wireless charging tech to the market that nobody asked for.
This reminds me of the wired fast charging cluster f**k between QC, FC, SC, PD, VOOC, and DASH. There's clearly one tech that is superior to the others, and yet, here we are, 3 years later, still trying to figure out which charging brick can work with what phone.
I prefer the slower wireless chargers to extend battery life. Use the plugin brick when traveling. Replacing the battery in this thing is not a simple task.

Anyway to override slow wireless charging?

Is there a way to override slow wireless charging and get the rapid speeds like with the pixel stand?
Right now the only way is to get a Pixel Stand. They are partnering with other companies (such as Belkin) to make a certified "made for Google" line of chargers that will support the fast charging. Unclear if it will enable the other Pixel Stand features like the sunrise alarm, photos, etc.
https://www.belkin.com/us/p/P-F7U050-MG/
Hopefully other companies make some cheaper options that can use the fast charging.
Would be great if there was a patch to trick the Pixel 3 phone into thinking it was attached to a pixel stand.
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Would be great if there was a patch to trick the Pixel 3 phone into thinking it was attached to a pixel stand.
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Right exactly my thoughts, nobody can figure this out with root? We have a custom kernel maybe it can edit in power from charging idk
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oneandroidnut said:
Right exactly my thoughts, nobody can figure this out with root? We have a custom kernel maybe it can edit in power from charging idk
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Yes, I would look around in the kernel threads to test the possibility. My N7 is running EX Kernel and it (using EXKM) still has a "USB Fastcharge" toggle. I do not see this option in the N6P, P2XL or P3XL though. The advent of USB-C and PD may have changed things on the newer phones. My guess is that it is not available or flar2 would have included it. That being said, I do have the Google Stand and I can tell you it is NOT "all that". I would have been just as happy with a slow charging "dumb" wireless charger. I would never have purchased it if it was not half price on BF. On previous phones, I almost exclusively used the wireless charging overnight so speed was never an issue.
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Yes, I would look around in the kernel threads to test the possibility. My N7 is running EX Kernel and it (using EXKM) still has a "USB Fastcharge" toggle. I do not see this option in the N6P, P2XL or P3XL though. The advent of USB-C and PD may have changed things on the newer phones. My guess is that it is not available or flar2 would have included it. That being said, I do have the Google Stand and I can tell you it is NOT "all that". I would have been just as happy with a slow charging "dumb" wireless charger. I would never have purchased it if it was not half price on BF. On previous phones, I almost exclusively used the wireless charging overnight so speed was never an issue.
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I'll trade you one of my cheaper wireless chargers then for the pixel stand!
And I still agree there has to be a way toggle that or edit it in for different wireless chargers
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Last I read about the P3XL and wireless charging is related to the standard the charger has. There was something about a security check before fast charge was enabled, everyone else charges at the lower rate. Right now there is only one charger I have read about besides the P Stand that works.
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