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I can see a lot of techie people getting very upset about what's been revealed about WP7S, and I'm starting to think that although I too was initially a bit ruffled, much of it really doesn't matter.
1. No SSD support
I always buy the biggest SSD I can, shove it into my new phone, and promptly forget about it. I can't recall the last time I upgraded to a bigger SSD without upgrading my phone at the same time, such is the rate of progress. Indeed, the iPhone, with its internal memory, always seems to be one step ahead of SSD-capable phones. My HD2 has a 16GB SSD, the iPhone has 32GB of memory. 32GB SSDs aren't even available. I never, ever take the SSD out of the phone once it's in there. So for me, removable memory just isn't an issue.
2. Multitasking
I thought I needed this, but looking at the apps I use on my HD2, I can only see one that really genuinely need multitasking, and that's Palringo. As far as I can tell, chat is going to be integrated into the Panels thingy so I probably won't even need to install Palringo anyway. Pausing apps when I switch away from them will be just fine with me.
3. Marketplace
I've never developed my own apps, nor do I intend to, nor do I operate in a corporate environment. Downloading apps from a central marketplace will be 100 times easier than having to trawl through Handango etc for some frankly pretty ****e apps to try to find decent ones. At least the apps in the store will have gone through a vetting process. I just hope Microsoft aren't as draconian as Apple in what they reject. Also, when downloading an app I won't have to choose between speed (install to memory) and space (install to SSD). I will get BOTH without having to decide at all. Sounds good to me!
4. Inter-app communications etc.
I don't believe WM6.5 apps do that anyway!
There you go, flame away - I for one will be much happier with a WP7S phone than I have been with WM6.5.
Jim Coleman said:
4. Inter-app communications etc.
I don't believe WM6.5 apps do that anyway!
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You are very wrong here.
vangrieg said:
You are very wrong here.
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Let me rephrase then - I don't believe any of the apps I use do it.
Cash Organizer
Pocket Informant
GCzII
KeePass
Palringo
TomTom 7
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3. Marketplace
I've never developed my own apps, nor do I intend to, nor do I operate in a corporate environment. Downloading apps from a central marketplace will be 100 times easier than having to trawl through Handango etc for some frankly pretty ****e apps to try to find decent ones. At least the apps in the store will have gone through a vetting process. I just hope Microsoft aren't as draconian as Apple in what they reject. Also, when downloading an app I won't have to choose between speed (install to memory) and space (install to SSD). I will get BOTH without having to decide at all. Sounds good to me!
4. Inter-app communications etc.
I don't believe WM6.5 apps do that anyway!
There you go, flame away - I for one will be much happier with a WP7S phone than I have been with WM6.5.
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I don't like the idea that i have to install apps through marketplace, unless the downloaded apps could be saved on the internal/external storage so i can manually install it again if i have to hard reset my device if nescesary.
Imagine you're on vacation, somewhere across the border and suddenly you need to hard reset your device because... because you just had to.
now... installing apps through marketplace requires an data connection, wich of course, you don't have (besides wifi) if you were in another country. Or you'd like to pay for data roaming.
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I don't like the idea that i have to install apps through marketplace, unless the downloaded apps could be saved on the internal/external storage so i can manually install it again if i have to hard reset my device if nescesary.
Imagine you're on vacation, somewhere across the border and suddenly you need to hard reset your device because... because you just had to.
now... installing apps through marketplace requires an data connection, wich of course, you don't have (besides wifi) if you were in another country. Or you'd like to pay for data roaming.
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there is no external storage so without a pc u wont be able to put your info back on without a wifi or data connection which would work like myphone does now. not sure how u would put your apps back on without re downloading all of them from marketplace.
saying this im guess the phone is less likely to go wrong and will be very similar to how a iphone works.
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I don't like the idea that i have to install apps through marketplace, unless the downloaded apps could be saved on the internal/external storage so i can manually install it again if i have to hard reset my device if nescesary.
Imagine you're on vacation, somewhere across the border and suddenly you need to hard reset your device because... because you just had to.
now... installing apps through marketplace requires an data connection, wich of course, you don't have (besides wifi) if you were in another country. Or you'd like to pay for data roaming.
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From my own perspective, I never keep copies of the cab files for my apps on my phone anyway, so that wouldn't help me. Nore have I ever had to do a hard reset on my HD2 (except once for the dreaded lock password issue, now I don't use a lock password). Plus, as there IS NO SSD to store them on, it's kind of a moot point.
I don't like that Marketplace is the only way to install app.
That means MS can potentially shut out competitive product like google map, search etc. This is getting more like apple to me.
Also, if not SD support and no USB Device mode, it's a no go for me.
I'd like to store photos, music and even pc apps etc on my SD in case I need it.
Plus, should your phone become bricked, good luck trying to access to all your content.
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I don't like that Marketplace is the only way to install app.
That means MS can potentially shut out competitive product like google map, search etc. This is getting more like apple to me.
Also, if not SD support and no USB Device mode, it's a no go for me.
I'd like to store photos, music and even pc apps etc on my SD in case I need it.
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Microsoft have already said they will allow all competitors' apps, and I hope that will always remain true. Regarding USB file transfer, have Microsoft specifically said it won't be supported? (I'm not sure)
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Microsoft have already said they will allow all competitors' apps, and I hope that will always remain true. Regarding USB file transfer, have Microsoft specifically said it won't be supported? (I'm not sure)
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ms has said u cant use wm7 as a usb drive, they also said that bing must be used for search, not sure if it must be used for maps too.
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I don't like that Marketplace is the only way to install app.
That means MS can potentially shut out competitive product like google map, search etc. This is getting more like apple to me.
Also, if not SD support and no USB Device mode, it's a no go for me.
I'd like to store photos, music and even pc apps etc on my SD in case I need it.
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I think you still access photos, music etc. with the new media sync application (forgot the name). Indeed it seems to be a major feature of WP7!
But I also use my phone as USB stick, using it for non-media stuff, which I assume won't be possible anymore.
I experienced once incident during holiday to Spain, this is real story.
I was using TomTom and HTC Kaiser. All of sudden, the TomTom application stuck, I could not interact with it ... except hitting the soft-reset hole.
After soft reset, all content in my sd card gone, including the TomTom map.
I really hate that situation because I rely only on my TomTom
Lessen learned, I always keep second SD card on my bag during holiday which contain exactly the same.
So there you go, I think SD card is required.
The thing is, I am willing to sacrifice without SD Card. Probably the above incident was caused by "bad" sd card. With internal storage, probably it will be much more reliable. Ok that's fine.
But ........................
I want a way to EASILY store my files (big files) on the phone. Files like software utility etc. That's handy.
With no file manager ... and no sd card slot, I cannot picture this possible easily.
Probably I could use Zune software (ala iTunes)???
But that will defeat the purpose of having those files available all the time. Because other PC might not have Zune software!
Hmm, using email to transfer file? Yeah right, 3G is still slow compared to direct copy from sd card ! And imagine when roaming to pay data connection.
This is what I really dont like about WP7 ...
I can live without multitasking and side loading, no problem with that.
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From my own perspective, I never keep copies of the cab files for my apps on my phone anyway, so that wouldn't help me. Nore have I ever had to do a hard reset on my HD2 (except once for the dreaded lock password issue, now I don't use a lock password). Plus, as there IS NO SSD to store them on, it's kind of a moot point.
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I remember yesterday, when someone asked Joe Belfiore ... "Will there be Mac support?"
His answer was something like "You dont need PC to be able to use Windows Phone 7 Series" ... "Try to not use PC" ...
Hmm, it'll be a shame to lose the USB drive functionality, but I only really ever used that to load cab files onto my phone (which will be moot as marketplace will be the way to get apps) from my work PC, but I can live without doing that, especially as I shouldn't have been doing that anyway (ahem).
An advantage of using the Zune software to put files onto the phone will be the inbuilt compression and media format conversion though, which will be nice.
I should add that I carry a 32GB memorystick around with me (it's on my house keyfob) and use that for pretty much all my file transfer needs. My phone is so stuffed with mp3s that it has virtually no free space on its SSD, hence it's pretty useless for file transfer anyway!
Yes Jim, I think I must think the same approach.
At this moment, I also carrying 4GB super small micro sd card on my pocket.
I think I need to find one as a key-chain.
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Hmm, it'll be a shame to lose the USB drive functionality, but I only really ever used that to load cab files onto my phone (which will be moot as marketplace will be the way to get apps) from my work PC, but I can live without doing that, especially as I shouldn't have been doing that anyway (ahem).
An advantage of using the Zune software to put files onto the phone will be the inbuilt compression and media format conversion though, which will be nice.
I should add that I carry a 32GB memorystick around with me (it's on my house keyfob) and use that for pretty much all my file transfer needs. My phone is so stuffed with mp3s that it has virtually no free space on its SSD, hence it's pretty useless for file transfer anyway!
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Satnav application vendors often distribute their maps by selling you an SD card with the maps pre-installed on it. How's that going to work without an SD card slot? Are people going to download several gigabytes worth of maps over the data connection?
The way it works for iPhone is pretty straightforward - downloads over 10MB go via iTunes (you can choose to download everything this way, BTW).
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I really don't understand this no SD card thing. If I interpreted the post where I read that information correctly. It's not even that there are no SD cards allowed, it's that they don't want removable SD cards.
I think they said the vendor could have an unremovable SD card if they chose (behind the battery). I'm hoping I mis-interpreted this, I see little reason or sense in having SD card support but making them non-removable. That would just further upset me about that .
But I guess isn't not that big a deal since there's no file management on the device which is an even bigger problem. It's almost like they're trying to alienate their business clients.
Ganondolf said:
saying this im guess the phone is less likely to go wrong and will be very similar to how a iphone works.
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You think iphones don't go wrong?
Anyhow as far as I can work out most of the new stuff in WP7S compared to WM is lame and actually relates to loss of functionality, with only the potential for easier development being offered in return. If useful apps materialise then maybe the damage won't be that bad but they are sacrificing everything for potential gain.
The fact is though that windows mobile grew on PDAs, and I think most people who want a WM phone want a PDA with a phone attached to it, with the feel of a "PC" in your "pocket". WP7S seems targeted at a completely different consumer who just wants a phone with a flashy touchscreen display. The thing is iphone does that perfectly well already. I don't see anything I want in WP7S, and there's nothing that has been described that I can't get elsewhere in an ordinary (modern) phone. It had better be a better product because I doubt there would be any customer loyalty between 6.5 and 7.
gom99 said:
I really don't understand this no SD card thing.
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But I guess isn't not that big a deal since there's no file management on the device which is an even bigger problem.
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Well you obviously understand the no SD card thing - there's nothing you could do with the card in WP7S with no file system access.
1- When is 2.3.4 update coming in Canada?
2- Whenever I try to transfer a movie/video of large size to my phone it takes hours and hours.... It should be maximum 20-30 minutes. No, my computer isnt slow, its a 3gb 320hdd running at 2.3ghz
any help?
btw, did anyone find the solution to wifi disconnection problem that occurs in some of the xperia arcs? where it shows that wireless is recieving signals but its actually not working and it disconnects like every 1 or 2 minutes.
1. You know...Rogers always take forever to update, if u really want to get 2.3.4, just use flashtool to flash international version.
2. it probably because of your sd card. The lower class of sd card, the lower write speed.
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1. You know...Rogers always take forever to update, if u really want to get 2.3.4, just use flashtool to flash international version.
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+1
Rogers simply stinks at new releases of firmware. Once the phone is ou the door and on sale they could care less about supporting it.
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2. it probably because of your sd card. The lower class of sd card, the lower write speed.
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It could also because of the USB cable you're using.
But in either case, my suggestion would be to take the card out of the phone and put it in a usb card reader to test it on your computer. If you're still having problems transferring, it's your card that's either broken or simply too sloooowwww.
One other thought: where are you transfering these videos into? What program I mean. Because it SOUNDS like they might be being trans-coded along the way (being converted into another video format). The length of time being taken to 'transfer' is actually just the time it takes to convert file formats on your old-ish computer.
To see if that's what's happening, use the card reader I mentioned and make sure you're just doing a straight drag and drop from windows explorer.
use card reader instead of transferring via cable, and yes, check what is your sd class. its better class 4-10
Also, what connection type are you using? Mass storage (where your card shows up as a drive in your PC) is fastest.
Like an idiot I did not remember that with the stupid internal SD card, the unlocking would delete pictures/videos/etc. is there a way to get it back? I am unlocked but not rooted. This is a friends phone and I'd appreciate any help getting his pictures back.
Why can't this freaking thing have an external SD card?
You can't, once it's wiped its wiped
If he had google+ his pictures may be backed up to his account
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loveubuntu said:
Like an idiot I did not remember that with the stupid internal SD card, the unlocking would delete pictures/videos/etc. is there a way to get it back? I am unlocked but not rooted. This is a friends phone and I'd appreciate any help getting his pictures back.
Why can't this freaking thing have an external SD card?
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No idea if something like this would work, but just throwing it out there: http://extundelete.sourceforge.net/
loveubuntu said:
Like an idiot I did not remember that with the stupid internal SD card, the unlocking would delete pictures/videos/etc. is there a way to get it back? I am unlocked but not rooted. This is a friends phone and I'd appreciate any help getting his pictures back.
Why can't this freaking thing have an external SD card?
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Hehe dude go to www.torrentz.com once there Look for magic photo recovery download the torrent with utorrent or bittorrent once downloaded install to your pc and plug the phone... Start the photo recovery and Select the drive you need to run the recovery and choose the phone drive next or at the same time Select a folder where the software will put the recovered files and thats it magic
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Hehe dude go to www.torrentz.com once there Look for magic photo recovery download the torrent with utorrent or bittorrent once downloaded install to your pc and plug the phone... Start the photo recovery and Select the drive you need to run the recovery and choose the phone drive next or at the same time Select a folder where the software will put the recovered files and thats it magic
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The problem is that the GN does not support USB mass storage mode, so it will not see a drive...
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The problem is that the GN does not support USB mass storage mode, so it will not see a drive...
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Oh i see... Well worth the try i guess?
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Thanks people. After a few hours of digging around, it appears that it can't be done. Oh well, dropbox sync from now on. I will never ever buy a phone that has a virtual sd card, Nexus device or not. Starting to like the new HTC devices.
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Thanks people. After a few hours of digging around, it appears that it can't be done. Oh well, dropbox sync from now on. I will never ever buy a phone that has a virtual sd card, Nexus device or not. Starting to like the new HTC devices.
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I hope that decision isn't based on this one experience with the pics being deleted.. Because you know it would have been extremely easy to just transfer them to your computer via USB before unlocking and then transfer them back after.
It is possible I have recovered wiped files off of an sd card before although not the nexus's internal storage. the software recuva is free and should work. The key is that you do not want to write any files over the data that is gone, the more data overwritten the less chance of recovering. You might be able to recover some files off the storage with this program. Although I am not entirely sure how the nexus erases files through the unlocking process
everywhere warns you to backup because it will do a full wipe.
your fault, not the nexus.
Just had a thought...if you have a USB OTG adapter, you can try hooking up a USB drive and then use dd to dump all of /data to the drive. There are many file recovery tools that are able to analyze such dumps.
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I hope that decision isn't based on this one experience with the pics being deleted.. Because you know it would have been extremely easy to just transfer them to your computer via USB before unlocking and then transfer them back after.
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not just this experience but in general I hate the fact that this phone does not have an SD card. I understand that we are going to cloud computing and the iPhone lovers have had it this way for a while and blah blah blah... I just feel more secure knowing that if I accidently drop my phone in the toilet (done that) or go in the pool while my phone is in the pocket of my swimsuit (done that too, why the hell do they make swimsuit with pockets is beyond me), I could get the SD card out and be able to recover some of my data. I guess we all have our quirks. I just love the little micro SD card.
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everywhere warns you to backup because it will do a full wipe.
your fault, not the nexus.
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really? you bothered posting this response? Don't you think I know that? Thanks anyways. Someone actually thanked you for these comments. That is too funny. He must be a bigger troll.
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Just had a thought...if you have a USB OTG adapter, you can try hooking up a USB drive and then use dd to dump all of /data to the drive. There are many file recovery tools that are able to analyze such dumps.
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Great suggestions, hopefully I won't need it in the future. The owner of the phone convinced me that it wasn't worth it. It was just an embarrasing thing. I should have known better.
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Just had a thought...if you have a USB OTG adapter, you can try hooking up a USB drive and then use dd to dump all of /data to the drive. There are many file recovery tools that are able to analyze such dumps.
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That won't work. You cannot use dd to dump /data because you need somewhere to write the dump. /sdcard is located on /data, and a USB OTG mounts in /sdcard, so it becomes circular.
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loveubuntu said:
not just this experience but in general I hate the fact that this phone does not have an SD card. I understand that we are going to cloud computing and the iPhone lovers have had it this way for a while and blah blah blah... I just feel more secure knowing that if I accidently drop my phone in the toilet (done that) or go in the pool while my phone is in the pocket of my swimsuit (done that too, why the hell do they make swimsuit with pockets is beyond me), I could get the SD card out and be able to recover some of my data. I guess we all have our quirks. I just love the little micro SD card.
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I too was turned off at first by lack of ext storage, but now I dont even miss it. The phone seems to run smoother without having the ext card imo, dont have to worry about read/write speeds and compatibility. As far as recovering data from ext.. All my pics/vids are instantly uploaded to Photobucket as soon as I snap them, contacts/calendars/email are saved to Google. You can usually always just re-download ROMs/mods, not that you would instantly need them anyways if your phone is gone - plus anything like that you felt was too important to loose should be backed up to Box/Dropbox anyways. Did I miss anything that might be on the card you think you need? Because I almost guarantee I can find/already have a solution to that too.
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I too was turned off at first by lack of ext storage, but now I dont even miss it. The phone seems to run smoother without having the ext card imo, dont have to worry about read/write speeds and compatibility. As far as recovering data from ext.. All my pics/vids are instantly uploaded to Photobucket as soon as I snap them, contacts/calendars/email are saved to Google. You can usually always just re-download ROMs/mods, not that you would instantly need them anyways if your phone is gone - plus anything like that you felt was too important to loose should be backed up to Box/Dropbox anyways. Did I miss anything that might be on the card you think you need? Because I almost guarantee I can find/already have a solution to that too.
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You're right. It's probably that you can't teach an old dog new tricks
Another downfall of an sd card you forgot is the corruption issue. I've had a few go bad on me over the years, which probably can happen to the internal one also but hopefully the quality is better with an oem.
I don't like the mtp either. I've setup gmtp for my Linux box but this thing can't be easily used on just anything as a mass storage device on the road. Hate it although that may have benefits too.
I do have a Nook Color that can be brought back to life from all kinds of trouble with a bootable sd card.
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loveubuntu said:
You're right. It's probably that you can't teach an old dog new tricks
Another downfall of an sd card you forgot is the corruption issue. I've had a few go bad on me over the years, which probably can happen to the internal one also but hopefully the quality is better with an oem.
I don't like the mtp either. I've setup gmtp for my Linux box but this thing can't be easily used on just anything as a mass storage device on the road. Hate it although that may have benefits too.
I do have a Nook Color that can be brought back to life from all kinds of trouble with a bootable sd card.
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Very true. There are great advantages and there are disadvantages to removable storage. For the most part it always good to have the option. I, for one, am a data hoarder and would have loved to have the option. But I am very happy with the Nexus and glad I decided to take the chance on it. That was all I meant in my first post, just that I hope your not turned off by a device you like just because of the lack of removable storage. And your right about trying to teach a old dog new tricks. I still love and prefer all my oldschool apps even though there are new ones that may look/function better lol.
Man your friend must be pissed at you..
I suggest that you take a look at this android photo recovery solution which seems very helpful.
hope this helps.
Before owning the Note 2, I had the S3. The problem with the scared happens on both phones.
When I first got the Note, I removed the sdcard from the S3 and put it straight into the Note.
No media showed up. Formatted in phone, transferred media, all working as it should.
Today, add a video to card, doesn't show. Add a photo, doesn't show.
Format card, transfer media. Nothing shows up.
Am reluctant to buy another card as I tried three Cards in the S3, and the problem was present with all of them.
PS using root explorer I can find all the media, and play them in their respective apps.
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Before owning the Note 2, I had the S3. The problem with the scared happens on both phones.
When I first got the Note, I removed the sdcard from the S3 and put it straight into the Note.
No media showed up. Formatted in phone, transferred media, all working as it should.
Today, add a video to card, doesn't show. Add a photo, doesn't show.
Format card, transfer media. Nothing shows up.
Am reluctant to buy another card as I tried three Cards in the S3, and the problem was present with all of them.
PS using root explorer I can find all the media, and play them in their respective apps.
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solution might be here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1410262
Thanks, for some reason that works for my videos, but not with photos and music!!!!
And that is more of a workaround than a solution. Ideally I would like for it to work as it should. Impossible for me to go back to stock as I will always need root to vieww my media(ok, I will probably always be rooted, but I want the option)
Edit: tried again and my music and photos are now showing (using Directory Bind)
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Ive had issues like this on my EVO. Try installing a "media scan" app from the market. It rescans all media content on the phone and then if you want you can remove the app after its done. I had 2 years worth of photos on my 16GB SD class 10 and no pictures or video thumbnails / pictures at all would show. Ran the app and fixed all the issues.
I did try a couple of those apps yesterday.I dont know if either one worked.I mean I know nothing showed up, but it was as though they never actually run.
Same issue
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I tried formatting several times and copied the data back, nothing helped. Also copying files from my comp to the sd card and internal storage in the phone is very slow. I bought the device yesterday, its stock unrooted.
I don't believe media (pictures/video) show up until mediascanner detects them and sticks in some internal database.
So just copying files onto your external card and popping it in isn't going to work.
media scanner is normally triggered during a reboot, and some apps can trigger it. (generally via 'rescan media' buttons).
Also make sure you don't have a .nomedia file there, as that causes media scanner to skip the directory.
( media scanner can really grind on directories with tons of files )
- Frank
ChodTheWacko said:
I don't believe media (pictures/video) show up until mediascanner detects them and sticks in some internal database.
So just copying files onto your external card and popping it in isn't going to work.
media scanner is normally triggered during a reboot, and some apps can trigger it. (generally via 'rescan media' buttons).
Also make sure you don't have a .nomedia file there, as that causes media scanner to skip the directory.
( media scanner can really grind on directories with tons of files )
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I tried a different memory card from my old Sensation and it read the files perfectly... can any of you help me with the copying speed.. it took me 35 mins to copy 1.20GB... just to be sure i i tried to copy the same date using the same data cable and the same usb port, onto my wildfire, and it copied it pretty fast. Any idea ?
HTCfreak! said:
I tried a different memory card from my old Sensation and it read the files perfectly... can any of you help me with the copying speed.. it took me 35 mins to copy 1.20GB... just to be sure i i tried to copy the same date using the same data cable and the same usb port, onto my wildfire, and it copied it pretty fast. Any idea ?
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It sounds like the Sensation card just has slower transfer rates. While your wildfire has faster transfer rates but you are experience issues on the phone side.
Just to confirm, you have formatted both cards the same way and one works and the other doesn't? If possible try to format the card from the phone. Have you tried a sandisk card?
Daniel
dachness said:
It sounds like the Sensation card just has slower transfer rates. While your wildfire has faster transfer rates but you are experience issues on the phone side.
Just to confirm, you have formatted both cards the same way and one works and the other doesn't? If possible try to format the card from the phone. Have you tried a sandisk card?
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Both the cards are Sandisk 8gb cards, both formatted on the Note 2. I transferred data to card A when its in the wildfire, i formatted the card and put it in the note and formatted it again, and tried to copy the same data to card A, it takes more than 3times the amount of time... data transfer has been slow to the card while its in the note
I have read somewhere that there is a " .nomedia " folder somewhere. Delete that and see what happens.
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I have read somewhere that there is a " .nomedia " folder somewhere. Delete that and see what happens.
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Also on top of that, when you formatted the SDCard did you format in the PC or in your phone through recovery? You will want to format through recovery.
I would recommend upgrading to an ext partition and then formatting again (if you don't need the ext). I have found that even formatting the SDCard on some roms (because the way they work) it doesn't wipe everything and upgrading the to ext actually changes the file system of the SDCard rather than a quick format. Then only copy your media back to the card. Dont copy everything like .android, data, and stuff like that. Just what you want to keep.
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Both the cards are Sandisk 8gb cards, both formatted on the Note 2. I transferred data to card A when its in the wildfire, i formatted the card and put it in the note and formatted it again, and tried to copy the same data to card A, it takes more than 3times the amount of time... data transfer has been slow to the card while its in the note
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Is there any chance you have a counterfeit Sandisk card? Did you buy it from an authorized dealer? If buying from Amazon make sure you only purchase directly from amazon, LLC and not a third party vendor.
For reference which sandisk card do you have what class is it rated at?
Daniel
No the card is legit, i got it in the box when i bought the HTC Sensation and worked fine on the sensation. It has good copying speed if i put it in another device like my wildfire even now. I checked copying speeds yesterday using the same card in my wildfire and my new note, but it takes forever to copy data to the card while its in the Note. I have not rooted my Note yet. Its factory stock as of now.
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nm8 said:
I have read somewhere that there is a " .nomedia " folder somewhere. Delete that and see what happens.
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Tried that, and it worked. thanks.... But still having data transfer speed issues... i copied data to the internal memory and even that is slow... this problem is not limited to only my sd card, but also the internal memory
If your internal memory is slow I would consider that cause for concern. Perhaps try running benchmarks and comparing your results to those in the benchmark thread. It may be worth returning it for another phone if you can't find a solution soon.
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No the card is legit, i got it in the box when i bought the HTC Sensation and worked fine on the sensation. It has good copying speed if i put it in another device like my wildfire even now. I checked copying speeds yesterday using the same card in my wildfire and my new note, but it takes forever to copy data to the card while its in the Note. I have not rooted my Note yet. Its factory stock as of now.
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Tried that, and it worked. thanks.... But still having data transfer speed issues... i copied data to the internal memory and even that is slow... this problem is not limited to only my sd card, but also the internal memory
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you might have to reinstall your rom
Isn't the speed difference just to do with the way the Note 2 connects to the pc? I.E MTP as opposed to mass storage? I seem to recall my G.F's original Note is dog slow at data transfer in MTP but much faster in USB mode....shame the Note 2 can't do this, it's one of my reservations about buying it.
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Isn't the speed difference just to do with the way the Note 2 connects to the pc? I.E MTP as opposed to mass storage? I seem to recall my G.F's original Note is dog slow at data transfer in MTP but much faster in USB mode....shame the Note 2 can't do this, it's one of my reservations about buying it.
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Now it makes sense to me, thanks :good:
Is there any way to connect in USB mode rather than MTP??
Can I ask if anyone else suffers from the same problem as raised in the OP?
I would imagine its not "the norm" and yet I have had the same issue on both the S3 and Note 2.
Whilst, it is now working, I am having to use Directory Bind, for it to do so.
I put in a new 64GB card on Saturday, recognised straight away in Settings/Storage, formatted fine in the phone giving me 59+GB of free space.
Put media on it...nothing shows.
I cant ever see my phone not being rooted so it can be worked around,but it just seems strange that I have had this on both phones and yet nobody else seems to suffer from it.
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Now it makes sense to me, thanks :good:
Is there any way to connect in USB mode rather than MTP??
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For whatever reason I don't think Samsung enabled USB mass storage mode on either the S3 or the Note 2. It's the one thing that's holding me back from buying one at the moment because I use iTunes Agent to sync with iTunes, and that requires the device to be in mass storage mode when connected to the pc (or you can take the sd card out and put it in a reader, but I don't like to take the back off too many times as most phones end up getting really creaky). It's a real shame because I'm just itching to get one.
Have a look in the GS3 forum - I think there's a thread where someone has created an app that enables you to toggle USB mass storage mode, but I think you might have to be rooted and have a custom kernel. Don't quote me, that's from memory
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Can I ask if anyone else suffers from the same problem as raised in the OP?
I would imagine its not "the norm" and yet I have had the same issue on both the S3 and Note 2.
Whilst, it is now working, I am having to use Directory Bind, for it to do so.
I put in a new 64GB card on Saturday, recognised straight away in Settings/Storage, formatted fine in the phone giving me 59+GB of free space.
Put media on it...nothing shows.
I cant ever see my phone not being rooted so it can be worked around,but it just seems strange that I have had this on both phones and yet nobody else seems to suffer from it.
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There are a couple of threads about this I think now. I browsed some last night. Sorry, I'm only on my phone at the moment so it's a bit awkward to try and find a link for you (what with having a Sensation with only a 4.3" screen They'll be on the first page or two I think.
My girlfriend's original Note had a similar problem with photos and media after connecting an external hard drive. Going into settings/apps and clearing data on the media storage app followed by a reboot sorted the problem for her.
Hi guys - long time lurker, first time poster.
My question is, does anyone have any little grievances with the stock note II software? I've owned android devices before, but ditched them for iOS a year or so ago, back when android was still a hot mess. I definitely believe it's caught up to iOS in terms of stability, performance, and smoothness. I finally feel like android is finally finished enough where I'm ready to take the plunge and pick up a note II.
Things that have driven me mad from previous android phones: audio lag / stuttering, stock software crashing/stuttering, the phone not stopping your music when you pull the headphone plug and blasting audio (even for a half second) through the speaker, stupid pop-up boxes that inform you you've either started or completed charging, etc. etc. etc.
Lazy, stupid developer decisions like this drive me absolutely mad and make me leave a platform that I otherwise consider superior. I want to be happy with stock until a stable CM10 comes out.
Therefore, is there anything like this that happens with the stock note II at all? Thanks - on the fence!
You no longer get a pop up window verifying charging is complete, you do get a notification in the Status Bar though - either connected or finsed.
Audio Lag / stuttering hasnt been around for a while, I remember that in the OG Droid but havnt seen it in along time, I guarantee you that you wont find anything to stutter up the note.
Depending on the application, audio will stop when headphones are removed. Pandora / Stock Music Player / Netflix.. HBO Go - Xfinity - CineM all continue to play when unplugged. " hope that helps"
Battery Life on the Note 2 will blow away any other device out there outside possibly the Razr Maxx "Havnt compared"
Random System crashes are non existent on this device, especialy if you stay stock. Of course going with any customer ROM you can expect something .. I devvelop roms and I promise you, there is ALWAYS room for error, however with that being said, there is always room for error on stock as well.
Overall, I can see why you may have left Android in the beggining, however I will say that Android 4.1 is buttery smooth and I have not experienced any issues as of yet. I am a power user from he** and cant throw enouhg at my phone yet.
oddly enough my biggest complaint with the note II is that it is harder to "share" stuff than on the S3.
on the S3 you have a little SHARE symbol and next to it you have a "default" service that takes you directly into that (and its separate for different media types so youtube is default for example for sharing video)
just tap that and boom your sharing. but on the note II this is gone. you have to tap the share icon and OF COURSE the ones I use imgur and youtube are all the way at the bottom so I have to scroll down and THEN select where I want to share it too. this is surprisingly annoying now that I know "IT CAN" be much easier.
I REALLY want that quick access default icon from the S3 on my Note II. badly.
Here is the Note II see where it says Share Via - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - but on the S3 it looks like this
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
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Video calling seems to be broken
I have noticed that I cannot make video calls with the apps that I've tried. Neither Skype or Fring work on the Note 2. By work I mean I can see the video from the other person, but they cannot see me. Interestingly Google+ hangouts did work, and I have yet to try tango.
I did reproduce the error on an in store Note 2, so I don't think it's just my phone. I'm just running stock rom, not even rooted. It doesn't work over 3g or wifi. I tried connecting to an iphone 4s and a galaxy s III, I could see both of them they could not see me.
I would also like to gripe about the "buddy" pages. I want to be able to edit the icons in that bottom row to be more useful for my purposes. In the headphones buddy page I want to add my video apps, and they do show up over time but it varies based on what I'm using most often. I want to choose to set them.
I have been able to run Skype. I did it as a test as I don't normally and all was fine.
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I have been able to run Skype. I did it as a test as I don't normally and all was fine.
Sent from my SPH-L900 using Tapatalk 2
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Did you do a video call on skype? I can voice chat fine, it's the video that doesn't work.
2 grievancies that have been noted but no solutions that I'm aware of!
First is the poor commumication between the Samsung Galaxy Note 2 (AFTER ROOT) and my PC. I always get Hardware ID Missing which in turn makes it hard to transfer files from my computer to my phone and vice versa since the PC won't recgnize the phone,
and,
Second, is that I can't view my photos as photos from my phone on my PC. My PC goes into the DCIM or photo folders but can't just load the pictures. I must click on each JPG icon to see what the picture is.
I wish that someone would come up with a program that can be a mass storage transfer instead of the MTP.
So far, everything I have seen with this MTP is not good at all.
THOSE are MY grievences!
its worse that that wascapsfan
first your root issue is a new one. I rooted mine ZERO issues with hardware id stuff ?? so something is hinky on your end
back to the pictures YES the MTP protocol is truly horrible. you have ZERO file access on the device. NONE. 100% of all actions result in the file having to be COPIED to the PC first before you can even so much as look at it. no thumbnails no live view NOTHING
this is not a note II issues its a samsung issue with Jellybean and its horrible.
You can't even MOVE files on the SD card. it has to copy them to the PC and then copy them back to the card. takes a freaking eternity and it hard core sucks. big time.
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First is the poor commumication between the Samsung Galaxy Note 2 (AFTER ROOT) and my PC. I always get Hardware ID Missing which in turn makes it hard to transfer files from my computer to my phone and vice versa since the PC won't recgnize the phone,
and,
Second, is that I can't view my photos as photos from my phone on my PC. My PC goes into the DCIM or photo folders but can't just load the pictures. I must click on each JPG icon to see what the picture is.
I wish that someone would come up with a program that can be a mass storage transfer instead of the MTP.
So far, everything I have seen with this MTP is not good at all.
THOSE are MY grievences!
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I initially had the Hardware ID error when connecting my phone to my Windows 7 PC as well. I am not rooted, for the record. As odd as this sounds, I solved the problem by removing the drivers for the phone from the PC. After that, it connected fine.
I will add, though, that the drivers are still installed on my work laptop (because I need adb drivers to tether) and it connects just fine to that. All this combined leads me to believe that it is a driver conflict error with some of the other drivers/files on my home PC. I could probably narrow down where the exact cause is, but I just don't care enough to do it since I have found a usable workaround for my situation.
If you still need ADB drivers, I would still suggest uninstalling and seeing if the phone is recognized without the drivers. Could just be a bad install of the drivers, which is something that happens when you use Windows.
On the subject of MTP, I have to agree that I would like to be able to preview photos as well. While I can move them freely (not sure why you wouldn't be able to), not having previews is mildly annoying. It isn't as convenient as seeing the previews in Explorer, but going to the folder, hitting Ctrl-A, and selecting Preview from the context menu at least lets me see the pictures without having to copy them to the computer.
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its worse that that wascapsfan
first your root issue is a new one. I rooted mine ZERO issues with hardware id stuff ?? so something is hinky on your end
back to the pictures YES the MTP protocol is truly horrible. you have ZERO file access on the device. NONE. 100% of all actions result in the file having to be COPIED to the PC first before you can even so much as look at it. no thumbnails no live view NOTHING
this is not a note II issues its a samsung issue with Jellybean and its horrible.
You can't even MOVE files on the SD card. it has to copy them to the PC and then copy them back to the card. takes a freaking eternity and it hard core sucks. big time.
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I'm still not understanding the Hardware ID missing thing. I had my first SGN2 for 13 days and it had this trouble only AFTER I rooted. It was fine and had not one issue prior. I gave it back and Sprint gave me another one. No issues UNTIL I rooted.
Install the drivers, then remove the drivers, then reinstall the drivers, etc..... It's not me, I know that is for sure.
Trust me you CAN NOT move them "freely" you just THINK you are moving them.
when you move a few photo's you don't even notice. trying moving 9gigs of photo's and let me know how it goes.
when you MOVE a file in MTP you not MOVING it. the process is like this.
it copies the file from the phone to your computer.
Deletes the file on the phone.
Copies the file from the computer back to the phone
deletes the file on the computer.
this is why MOVING 9 gigs from one folder to another (which should take 1-5 seconds tops) takes the same time as copying 18gigs. because it has to do it TWICE. so in essence it really IS moving 18 gigs. (same files twice)
this means you CAN NOT "access" any files ON the MTP device "live" it has to copy them to the PC first before you can "interact" with them beyond properties or renaming.
its an absolutely HORRID interface.
you can not even LOOK at a picture on the device you have to COPY it to the PC first. when you access a file its just DOING this for you in the background without you knowing it.
you finally "know it" when you try to perform an operation that should take 5 second and it takes 41 minutes. (move mp3's from one folder to another)
this also means using the phone as a drive is no longer feasible. I used to plug the phone into the computer and PLAY a video from the phone on my laptop screen (using the phone as a usb drive) and at the same time I get a charge.
now I can't even do that I have to COPY the file TO the computer first and THEN watch it.
At least you Windows people can somewhat access your files. On both my Macs neither my SIII or NoteII are recognized in any shape or form. I have to use a wifi explorer app, or unmount and stick my sd directly in the comp. Dunno why they changed from Universal Mass Storage which worked completely fine...
cause they are MORONS. no other reason is valid in my book. morons.
I have the hardware ID error too. From what I've read about it, people are seeing that after installing the Samsung drivers from ToolKit prior to rooting.
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Trust me you CAN NOT move them "freely" you just THINK you are moving them.
when you move a few photo's you don't even notice. trying moving 9gigs of photo's and let me know how it goes.
when you MOVE a file in MTP you not MOVING it. the process is like this.
it copies the file from the phone to your computer.
Deletes the file on the phone.
Copies the file from the computer back to the phone
deletes the file on the computer.
this is why MOVING 9 gigs from one folder to another (which should take 1-5 seconds tops) takes the same time as copying 18gigs. because it has to do it TWICE. so in essence it really IS moving 18 gigs. (same files twice)
this means you CAN NOT "access" any files ON the MTP device "live" it has to copy them to the PC first before you can "interact" with them beyond properties or renaming.
its an absolutely HORRID interface.
you can not even LOOK at a picture on the device you have to COPY it to the PC first. when you access a file its just DOING this for you in the background without you knowing it.
you finally "know it" when you try to perform an operation that should take 5 second and it takes 41 minutes. (move mp3's from one folder to another)
this also means using the phone as a drive is no longer feasible. I used to plug the phone into the computer and PLAY a video from the phone on my laptop screen (using the phone as a usb drive) and at the same time I get a charge.
now I can't even do that I have to COPY the file TO the computer first and THEN watch it.
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Not to derail the thread, but aren't there two easy potential workarounds for this?
1. Use Dropbox/Goggle+, enable automatic upload of camera shots. Photos will be available instantly on home computer. Yes, you're not manipulating the phone images directly, but you've got direct access to copies of the files.
2. Save photos to SD card, pull card and put in card reader. Direct access to files.
True, accessing via USB cable would be nice alternative to have, but it's not like we don't have options.
Grievances with the stock OS ROM/software:
-Intentional gimping of the multiwindow menu by Samsung. Damn it I should be able to put any app I want to in that menu. Plain and simple. Most work in multiwindow just fine. Further, that damn toggle should have transparency be default...NOTHING more annoying than reading something and having text obscured due to idiotic UI.
-Intentional gimping of stock Touchwiz to forbid any selection/addition/subtraction of quick controls in the status bar. NO reason for it. Zero zip nada.
-Kies software. Neat idea. Works pretty well...but gawd, why did they have to build it on the steaming pile of insecure poo known as Java? I would love to permanently delete Java off my computer and Kies is the one reason I have to keep it.
-Gimping of AllShare etc to prevent non-stock ROMs from using media hubs etc. No reason for it. I don't have a hub or use one...but I hate gimping by design.
-Sammy Appstore is all but pointless as of now...there's nothing on it worth it eating space on my device.
-Sprint Connection Optimizer is also crap IMHO.
In the grand scheme of things these are somewhat minor complaints.
Well, lets see?, .....no, no grievances.
For those having issues with the Hardware ID error, I did thread on a partial solution: Linky. Unfortunately, it doesn't give access for ADB, but good enough to access the microSD for file transfers
I haven't had any OS crashes or random reboots. I think I had one boot loop. I did have an issue with the 4-1 power menu with a reboot, but it was a known issue
Overall, the stock firmware is very stable and solid.
I don't have any complaints. Although, S-pen applications are quite limited. Not surprising since this is only the second device with it. Throw in that styluses aren't exactly common in use on the Android platform, or mobile in general. I assume more will come later.
Battery life is good considering the screen size. The only time I'm burning through battery is when I use an MHL adapter, which is a lot at work.
The nice thing, since this phone is on all the major carriers, plus an international version, we'll probably see quite a bit from the developer community.
So I don't get my note 2 until January, but regarding the inability to see files when connected with USB... had anybody tried the app Software Data Cable?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lyy.softdatacable
I haven't had to connect either my phone (OG Evo) or my wife's (galaxy s2) in months.
Grievances? Yes, R.I.P. Apple.