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T- Mobile Branded Galaxy Note II Compared to N7100 (I bought both Returning T-Mobile)

Hi guys!
Okay so more rather to cater to my burning curiosity of how the T-Mobile Varient would do with HSPA+ 42 and the 1700/2100 I went down this morning grabbed a white version and came home and did some test. And here's what I've found.
#1) The T-Mobile Variant of the Note 2 is Made in CHINA! While the N7100 is made in Korea
#2) The T-Mobile Variant had worse download speeds where I live and testing the HSPA+ speeds in my house resulted in the unlocked N7100 beating it on the 1900mhz band. (Keep in mind I only get HSPA+ On t-Mobile near my house all other are's that were tested I have edge on the N7100 they are still refarming.
#3) So I took it upon myself to see is the T-Mobile branded version actually faster? I drove around for about 10-20 miles stopping in different area's and testing, The highest I've Gotten with it was 15mbps down. However I was not able to compare it to the N7100 in the same exact location because that area is not yet refarmed. However Comparing it side by side the N7100 at home the N7100 had the edge in download speeds which was funny to me.
Besides that fact, the N7100 is fully unlocked and no bs from T-mobile on it and the instant I used the T-Mobile version I wanted the N7100 back. So Moral of the story for me was that is it worth getting the T-Mobile version? If your on the Re farmed network I'd say no get the N7100 instead no bloatware faster updates, Speeds won't vary much, and You can tether devices without rooting!

Good to hear others thinking along these same lines. Guess it really depends on whether tour city is being refarmed.
I live in Memphis, and I've heard rumors that we're getting / already have the 1900 band. Guess I might need to find a good way to test before hand.
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Nyxagamemnon said:
Hi guys!
Okay so more rather to cater to my burning curiosity of how the T-Mobile Varient would do with HSPA+ 42 and the 1700/2100 I went down this morning grabbed a white version and came home and did some test. And here's what I've found.
#1) The T-Mobile Variant of the Note 2 is Made in CHINA! While the N7100 is made in Korea
#2) The T-Mobile Variant had worse download speeds where I live and testing the HSPA+ speeds in my house resulted in the unlocked N7100 beating it on the 1900mhz band. (Keep in mind I only get HSPA+ On t-Mobile near my house all other are's that were tested I have edge on the N7100 they are still refarming.
#3) So I took it upon myself to see is the T-Mobile branded version actually faster? I drove around for about 10-20 miles stopping in different area's and testing, The highest I've Gotten with it was 15mbps down. However I was not able to compare it to the N7100 in the same exact location because that area is not yet refarmed. However Comparing it side by side the N7100 at home the N7100 had the edge in download speeds which was funny to me.
Besides that fact, the N7100 is fully unlocked and no bs from T-mobile on it and the instant I used the T-Mobile version I wanted the N7100 back. So Moral of the story for me was that is it worth getting the T-Mobile version? If your on the Re farmed network I'd say no get the N7100 instead no bloatware faster updates, Speeds won't vary much, and You can tether devices without rooting!
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So would you be able to tell me if the T-mo Note and the N7100 are exact the same dimensions/shape. I want to buy a case for the T-mo version but I think all the ones on ebay are for the N7100. Maybe you can switch out battery covers to see if they fit. Thanks!

I too was sitting on the fence on whether to pick the the N7100 or T-mobile's handset. I eventually chose the latter for the following reasons. It may not necessarily apply to everyone. I'm not an engineer so I don't know much about technical details but I am very logical in understanding how things work:
1) Tmo has done a fairly good job on refarming the 1900 band for hspa+ and true enough you will get speeds >10mbps. I previously tested this service on an international SGS2 and international GN1. And that was using a prepaid sim. So clearly international versions of samsung will have hspa+ service IF there is coverage. However as to date, we still have to see consistent and widespread coverage of hspa+ on the 1900 band. Who's to say that by year's end the refarming would have been completed to a satisfactory level as promised by T-mobile? What if coverage would still be practically the same in YOUR area? What if completion simply means additional cities/towns but your area basically has already been refarmed to completion. I feel that will be the case with MY area. It's still really "wait and see" for the refarming project. While with the t-mo variant you get consistent hspa+ ALREADY, NOW and greater coverage simply because they have been designed to work with the existing hspa+ AWS bands of Tmo. 1900 hspa+ is just additional for the Tmo variant.
In my case, I use my home wifi. So that situation negates the 4G coverage comparison between the 2 .
I'm curious as to what your home speed differences were? Was it that significant to outweigh the benefit of more consistent hspa+ coverage outside your home? I understand your mobile tests showed Tmo's variant to be the winner by "default". Meaning N7100 didn't have a chance to even compete. That alone is enough for me to chose Tmo's.
2) N7100 has a 21mbps hspa+ radio. Tmo's variant has a 42mbps radio. Although I am not seeing speeds proportionate to the advertised 42mbps radio in my area. I believe some folks around the US have demonstrated 20-30mbps on Tmo's network. Just scourge the net for those blogs and anecdotes. Obviously the 42mbps radio is required for those speeds. I guess it will all depend on the location and if 42mbps hspa+ is enforced on the surrounding towers.
3) re: bloatware - They don't bother me much. However for the tinkerers out there, this may be a deal breaker. But I am certain there is always a way around this for the advanced users.
4) N7100 doesn't have an LTE radio. Tmo's variant potential has this feature. That adds a little future proofing value to it. Check engadget's latest review of Tmo's variant. To quote:
"Also, according to the T889's FCC application, the device includes support for LTE bands 4 (AWS) and 17, though this particular set of radios is currently locked on T-Mobile. We're hoping the AWS LTE band will be enabled for us as soon as the network is ready to push ahead with its next-gen technology, but we haven't heard any official word from Magenta about this. Regardless of what happens, we wouldn't put it past hackers Android programming aficionados to come up with a way of taking advantage of this."
Regardless, by the time LTE would be fully and satisfactorily enforced, we all would have probably moved on to another device.

trojanlawyer said:
So would you be able to tell me if the T-mo Note and the N7100 are exact the same dimensions/shape. I want to buy a case for the T-mo version but I think all the ones on ebay are for the N7100. Maybe you can switch out battery covers to see if they fit. Thanks!
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They are the same damn phone except for the International version is made in Korean (says on label) and the U.S. variants are made in China (again, on the label) but the specs are the same as far as the meat and bones and the accessories will all work together just like the Galaxy S 3.... I have both a T-mobile (which I picked up today) Titanium color and An International Note in white and my T-mobile is performing a tad quicker as far as benchmarks but that really does not mean much... As far as where it's made.... I, personally, don't care cause they are both the same phone and qc for Samsung (in general) is the same across the board. I almost want to keep the T-mobile AND the International but I don't know if my budget will like that although I did get the International N7100 for $589.99 plus $12.00 back in ebay bucks so I can't complain on the price! The T-mobile was $688.00 OTD when I purchased it today but the HUGE difference is that the T-mobile will work on HSPA+ networks with both T-mobile and AT&T (if unlocked) and the International is edge on T-mobile(nothin you can do)... So I have more options as far as Pre-paid services and I can obtain insurance or a warranty without a problem in the US with the T-mobile version also... Another big plus! The International version is nice because it has hardly any bloat and it gets updates quickly! Who knows when we will see multitasking on the T-mobile version although they aren't as bad as some networks for updates... My opinions on the two versions....
EDIT: What he said above.... LOL He beat me to it! **I also notice on the T-mobile version that when you go to the dialer and press *#0*# there are more test options....??**

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Quick comment - checked back of my phone and it says made in Korea . My model jumber is SGH-T889v. Thanks!

Aren't the white ones made in Korea?

Kawaisa - I have the titanium grey - the SGH-T889v I have is the Canadian variant.

That's one way to look at it I guess. If you get 1900 Mhz at your house and don't want to use your wifi, ok. I would take the Tmo version with wifi calling app and HSPA+42 radio with next years LTE bands built in and just run a debloated stock rom when they start popping up here (or pull your own bloat out using TB). I got one today at Tmo, rooted it, uninstalled a bunch of garbage, and am really happy with the device. The only thing I "want" is the TV animation when shutting the screen off lol. Oh, and I don't like the boot audio either of the SGH-T889, but that will change in a week or so when ROM's start getting released To each there own, although I'd bet the N7100 will get superior dev support...

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Aren't the white ones made in Korea?
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I would like to know too. Does anyone have the White US version and where it was made?

I have the white where i can check that
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AndroidNoober said:
I have the white where i can check that
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Behind the phone, under the battery in the back. Thanks.

Tmo white note 2 is Made in china
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I'm going to receive my T-Mobile Note2 in a few days and I chose it pretty much for the same reasons as what had already been stated.
I am not based in the US..but I'm based in the Philippines and will just unlock my Note2. I got it through Wirefly so the price difference really did sway me to get it over the international variant. I also like that it is LTE capable so at least it's future proof somehow.
I am very capable of tinkering with phones so I can easily get rid of bloat and such.
My main concern is the amount of dev support this would be getting. I would imagine that due to the similar hardware, porting ROMs meant for international version would be relatively easy.
I'm wondering though if I could just flash an international based ROM straight away since I don't intend to use this with TMO anyway so I can live without sms/call/data of TMO as long as it can still somehow work with my international SIM and the phone still fully function.. I don't want to wait for updates via carrier.

I've read several of you are talking about uninstalling bloatware, wouldn't this hinder in the OTA update process (we should get one soon for the multi-window feature) whenever it gets pushed out. I thought it was best to disable or freeze the apps through TB rather than uninstalling it, could someone clarify that for me?
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GN2 TMo on ATT with 3G speeds?
shojus said:
They are the same damn phone except for the International version is made in Korean (says on label) and the U.S. variants are made in China (again, on the label) but the specs are the same as far as the meat and bones and the accessories will all work together just like the Galaxy S 3.... I have both a T-mobile (which I picked up today) Titanium color and An International Note in white and my T-mobile is performing a tad quicker as far as benchmarks but that really does not mean much... As far as where it's made.... I, personally, don't care cause they are both the same phone and qc for Samsung (in general) is the same across the board. I almost want to keep the T-mobile AND the International but I don't know if my budget will like that although I did get the International N7100 for $589.99 plus $12.00 back in ebay bucks so I can't complain on the price! The T-mobile was $688.00 OTD when I purchased it today but the HUGE difference is that the T-mobile will work on HSPA+ networks with both T-mobile and AT&T (if unlocked) and the International is edge on T-mobile(nothin you can do)... So I have more options as far as Pre-paid services and I can obtain insurance or a warranty without a problem in the US with the T-mobile version also... Another big plus! The International version is nice because it has hardly any bloat and it gets updates quickly! Who knows when we will see multitasking on the T-mobile version although they aren't as bad as some networks for updates... My opinions on the two versions....
EDIT: What he said above.... LOL He beat me to it! **I also notice on the T-mobile version that when you go to the dialer and press *#0*# there are more test options....??**
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Besides unlocking a TMo note 2, did you have to do anything else to make it work on 3G on ATT? Did you actually test that it would work on ATT 3G or this is just a guess based on specs?

dont be mad now that the cat is out of the bag that tmobile galaxy note 2 has LTE

RE: Bloatware
its called root and titanium backup if you want the Tmo version and no bloatware. root is achievable on the Tmo Note 2, along w/CWM. i am sticking w/the stock rom since i plan to use S-Pen quite a bit. we'll see as the weeks go by and roms start to appear.
i went the tmo vs international due to that 1900 isn't in my area yet and won't be until end of year and our version as prev noted does have the LTE hardware and cheaper than importing an unlocked phone. has anyone noticed VERY slow A-GPS lockons when in doors? my gnex was freakin instant indoors.

Can anyone else post what color they have and where it was Made?
I was reading that the international ones have Made in Korea, Made in China, and Made by Samsung.
Thanks.

[Q] witch carriers will be supported and carrier availability

I've been looking into buying a new phone and the oppo n1 is at the top of my list but one thing is that I have not a clue witch carriers will be supported and if eventually be able to get it from Verizon (although I highly doubt it Verizon is kind of stingy with anything to do with developing anything out of there control).

I'm pretty sure the N1 is a GSM phone, don't quote me on that though
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You are correct. The Oppo N1 is a GSM phone.
Sprint and Verizon are out for carriers. We could see AT&T or T-Mo carrying the phone, but don't get your hopes up. Oppo as a whole is still pretty unknown in the US.
My N1 has been running on StraightTalk using an AT&T SIM since the middle of November. I haven't had any issues so far with it, and I get unlimited for $45/month.
Remember though that there is no 4G on this phone. It can use up to HSDPA and HSPA+.

Harfainx said:
You are correct. The Oppo N1 is a GSM phone.
Sprint and Verizon are out for carriers. We could see AT&T or T-Mo carrying the phone, but don't get your hopes up. Oppo as a whole is still pretty unknown in the US.
My N1 has been running on StraightTalk using an AT&T SIM since the middle of November. I haven't had any issues so far with it, and I get unlimited for $45/month.
Remember though that there is no 4G on this phone. It can use up to HSDPA and HSPA+.
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HSPA+ is no slouch though... It's fast enough that AT&T and T-Mobile both called it "4G" for over a year.
If you go back to the original definition of 4G, not even North American LTE networks meet those original criteria.
In many places (such as the Binghamton, NY area), AT&T's backhaul (connection between the towers and the outside Internet) is so poor that you won't see any actual bandwidth difference between HSPA+ and LTE because the backhaul is the bottleneck - maybe a little bit of latency improvement but nothing major.
The difference between HSPA+ and LTE is nowhere near as major as the difference between CDMA2000 and LTE is.

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HSPA+ is no slouch though... It's fast enough that AT&T and T-Mobile both called it "4G" for over a year.
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At this point though, that is irrelevant. The phone is listed as 3G, so I'm just informing people that it is not "4G" as 4G/LTE is labeled by US carriers. Regardless of the speeds, network, backbone speeds, etc... The phone is 3G. I don't want to get people confused over the information about what HSPA+ is or isn't. There are a lot of people that only see 3G or 4G/LTE.

Harfainx said:
You are correct. The Oppo N1 is a GSM phone.
Sprint and Verizon are out for carriers. We could see AT&T or T-Mo carrying the phone, but don't get your hopes up. Oppo as a whole is still pretty unknown in the US.
My N1 has been running on StraightTalk using an AT&T SIM since the middle of November. I haven't had any issues so far with it, and I get unlimited for $45/month.
Remember though that there is no 4G on this phone. It can use up to HSDPA and HSPA+.
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why would they not install LTE radios?DERP I wist they will on the next release because the phone itself is sexy..mmm.
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At this point though, that is irrelevant. The phone is listed as 3G, so I'm just informing people that it is not "4G" as 4G/LTE is labeled by US carriers. Regardless of the speeds, network, backbone speeds, etc... The phone is 3G. I don't want to get people confused over the information about what HSPA+ is or isn't. There are a lot of people that only see 3G or 4G/LTE.
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This is true, I work for Verizon but but I used to work for tmob and att and hspa+ is no joke. in some places its faster than aws.

trook said:
why would they not install LTE radios?DERP I wist they will on the next release because the phone itself is sexy..mmm.
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This is true, I work for Verizon but but I used to work for tmob and att and hspa+ is no joke. in some places its faster than aws.
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Why not?
You can cover the world with only 5 HSPA bands. You can still fail to support the whole world with 7-9 LTE bands.
LTE is too fragmented for a low-volume manufacturer.

Sprint S20 5G on T-Mobile

I have a Sprint S20 5G flashed with the U1 firmware, and am just trying to make sure that I am taking full advantage of T-Mobile's Network? I thought that the hardware/radio bands was identical across the different U variants? The icon at the top, which I know can mean nothing, says 5G. But in settings the network is showing up as LTE. The LTE Discovery app is showing I'm on band 66, but it also says 5G NR: Connected! It looks like my area should be well covered in 5G, so I was hoping to make sure that I'm taking full advantage, or at least am able to?
Is there any advantage to flashing the T-Mobile firmware?

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I have a Sprint S20 5G flashed with the U1 firmware, and am just trying to make sure that I am taking full advantage of T-Mobile's Network? I thought that the hardware/radio bands was identical across the different U variants? The icon at the top, which I know can mean nothing, says 5G. But in settings the network is showing up as LTE. The LTE Discovery app is showing I'm on band 66, but it also says 5G NR: Connected! It looks like my area should be well covered in 5G, so I was hoping to make sure that I'm taking full advantage, or at least am able to?
Is there any advantage to flashing the T-Mobile firmware?
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No point in flashing U instead of U1. As soon as the phone boots with a SIM, it performs another session and gets tuned to the network by the SIM. Your channels and speed will not change. BTW , I talked to a TMO service and support, and right now although 5G, speeds in most cases are at the 100M byte range. Only few lucky ones may see 1Gig if they are out in the open on a mmWave channel . However this technology is aimed at the next years for autonomous driving and other new technologies, not so much for phones, and it will not have reception inside buildings (heck, holding the phone will most likely block that signal without external antenna, and it comes from an engineer here)
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Just make sure you allow 5G to connect. Phone might be set to LTE as fastest..

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See here:

BigE said:
No point in flashing U instead of U1. As soon as the phone boots with a SIM, it performs another session and gets tuned to the network by the SIM. Your channels and speed will not change. BTW , I talked to a TMO service and support, and right now although 5G, speeds in most cases are at the 100M byte range. Only few lucky ones may see 1Gig if they are out in the open on a mmWave channel . However this technology is aimed at the next years for autonomous driving and other new technologies, not so much for phones, and it will not have reception inside buildings (heck, holding the phone will most likely block that signal without external antenna, and it comes from an engineer here)
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Just make sure you allow 5G to connect. Phone might be set to LTE as fastest..
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no offense but engineers dont always know what theyre talking about.. tnobiles nationwide 5g network penetrates well through buildings and avg speed for it is less than 100mbps.. to get 1gbps needs to be on a different 5g network (i forget what its called) which will not be bationwide or have good penetration since it has low range and needs a lot of towers in a small area so will likely only b used in major cities so seeing as hes getting over 100mbps on tmo 5g is better than average and is definitely 5g

BigE said:
No point in flashing U instead of U1. As soon as the phone boots with a SIM, it performs another session and gets tuned to the network by the SIM. Your channels and speed will not change. BTW , I talked to a TMO service and support, and right now although 5G, speeds in most cases are at the 100M byte range. Only few lucky ones may see 1Gig if they are out in the open on a mmWave channel . However this technology is aimed at the next years for autonomous driving and other new technologies, not so much for phones, and it will not have reception inside buildings (heck, holding the phone will most likely block that signal without external antenna, and it comes from an engineer here)
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Just make sure you allow 5G to connect. Phone might be set to LTE as fastest..
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Thanks. I found out from another user, and by looking up in the service mode with a dialer code, that I was actually picking up 5G through T-Mobile band 66 connected somehow with band 2 or 71. So all was well. That speed I got was surely plenty fast for me.

elliwigy said:
no offense but engineers dont always know what theyre talking about.. tnobiles nationwide 5g network penetrates well through buildings and avg speed for it is less than 100mbps.. to get 1gbps needs to be on a different 5g network (i forget what its called) which will not be bationwide or have good penetration since it has low range and needs a lot of towers in a small area so will likely only b used in major cities so seeing as hes getting over 100mbps on tmo 5g is better than average and is definitely 5g
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You just said what I claimed. The only 1GIG speeds are om mmWave bands, and like 90% of us seeing 5G icon are on the 600Mhz long wave that is 100M speeds, or the medium wave , again 100M speeds. I get 5G all day long, and never more than 200Mbit once, and 60-100Mbit otherwise. No mmWave where I am .. so we say the same thing.

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You just said what I claimed. The only 1GIG speeds are om mmWave bands, and like 90% of us seeing 5G icon are on the 600Mhz long wave that is 100M speeds, or the medium wave , again 100M speeds. I get 5G all day long, and never more than 200Mbit once, and 60-100Mbit otherwise. No mmWave where I am .. so we say the same thing.
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Adding speed tests

BigE said:
You just said what I claimed. The only 1GIG speeds are om mmWave bands, and like 90% of us seeing 5G icon are on the 600Mhz long wave that is 100M speeds, or the medium wave , again 100M speeds. I get 5G all day long, and never more than 200Mbit once, and 60-100Mbit otherwise. No mmWave where I am .. so we say the same thing.
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Except that T-Mobile isn't implementing mmwave 5G, now or in the future. mmWave is only Verizon. And only Verizon's version of the S20 models has the radio and antennas for mmWave. (That's why the Verizon one has less memory - it needs many more antennas to make sure your fingers don't block the signal, and those antennas take up too much room.) So you will NEVER get mmWave 5G on your T-Mobile, Sprint, or unlocked S20. Even if you put a Verizon SIM in it.
T-Mobile's existing 5G is low band, and slow. They're migrating to Sprint's mid-band network which will be a lot faster than the existing network, but nowhere near Verizon's. But you'll be able to actually USE it, unlike Verizon's which will never exist outside of cities and major suburbs, and doesn't work worth ****e indoors unless you have a repeater.
mmWave is going to go down in history with WiMax as a bet on the wrong technology.

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Except that T-Mobile isn't implementing mmwave 5G, now or in the future. mmWave is only Verizon. And only Verizon's version of the S20 models has the radio and antennas for mmWave. (That's why the Verizon one has less memory - it needs many more antennas to make sure your fingers don't block the signal, and those antennas take up too much room.) So you will NEVER get mmWave 5G on your T-Mobile, Sprint, or unlocked S20. Even if you put a Verizon SIM in it.
T-Mobile's existing 5G is low band, and slow. They're migrating to Sprint's mid-band network which will be a lot faster than the existing network, but nowhere near Verizon's. But you'll be able to actually USE it, unlike Verizon's which will never exist outside of cities and major suburbs, and doesn't work worth ****e indoors unless you have a repeater.
mmWave is going to go down in history with WiMax as a bet on the wrong technology.
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Not sure where you heard all of that but it is incorrect. Tmobile is deploying mmWave and both the Tmobile and Sprint S20s will support it.
AT&T also uses mmWave and on the S20s as well.
https://www.t-mobile.com/content/da...ing-heroes/T-Mobile-5G-Factsheet-May-2020.pdf

S20 Ultra is the only one with mmwave afaik

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S20 Ultra is the only one with mmwave afaik
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The + has it as well. Verizon has a special version if the base S20 that supports it. But all the + and ultra versions support it no matter the carrier.

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The + has it as well. Verizon has a special version if the base S20 that supports it. But all the + and ultra versions support it no matter the carrier.
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Oh interesting, good to know.
I don't really care if I have it. Our LTE+ is roughly 200ish down and good coverage.

5G at this time is for the most part a marketing tool for manufacturers and service providers but lots of prospective users are buying into the hype. LTE is comparable in speed to low and midband 5G and in some cases even faster. Until mmWave is widely avaliable, which won't be anytime soon, 5G's biggest asset is it's marketing appeal. All hat, no cattle!

Question Can I switch to Verizon with this phone?

It seems most of the 4G and 5G bands are compatible. I'm just not sure about 3G with the CDMA vs GSM. My service through TMobile just hasn't been good enough.
Thanks!

2125 should work fine. 2127 may or may not work. The rest will not work

Verizon's network is mostly 4G or newer nowadays. CDMA will be a factor in coverage but it's minor. I occasionally will pop into the Verizon network with a random device if I know it's compatible with the bands Vzw use. Pop in a sim and give it a whirl.

I'm using Verizon on my 2125. My coverage and service speed is way better in my area than it was with TMobile. Calls texts and data all work fine.

Hi, I'm using Verizon with this phone. No issues at all. My phone usually is on the 5g network, sometimes on 4g. Only thing is that voice over wifi does not work. Besides that service is great.

VoWifi doesn't work. I haven't found a way to enable that on Verizon. Everything else works fine for me. Speeds could be better but that's probably just my area.

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Verizon's network is mostly 4G or newer nowadays. CDMA will be a factor in coverage but it's minor. I occasionally will pop into the Verizon network with a random device if I know it's compatible with the bands Vzw use. Pop in a sim and give it a whirl.
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CDMA is not a factor in any LTE or 5G phone. Verizon requires a flag CDMA_Less for this phone. Others that are Verizon phones have that set automatically in the back end. This flag has been required for correct functionality for at least 3 years.

I loved VZW and been with them over a decade. I recently switched to T mobile and it was for one reason only. VZW sold many of their towers and TMobile bought them. Tmo used to suck. Service and customer service. But they did one thing. They offered NR..VZW has already admitted that their 5g is a combination of 4G and 5G. UW is available but you will find that to be very limited. 5G is just a marketing tool. The consumers get the short end of the stick and the lawmakers allow the FCC to change the definition of what 5G speeds are. VZW sells the OnePlus 8 5g, will allow the OP9 and OP 9 pro to work. Also while your phone will work on VZW it will not have the correct radio in it to truly take advantage of 5G. This article will explain it
OnePlus 9 Pro Is Now on Verizon, But You Might Want to Stick With Samsung
Although the OnePlus 9 lineup is now certified for Verizon, spectrum limitations, setup bugs, and other oddities mean that a Samsung handset may be the better choice for those not committed to the OnePlus brand.
www.pcmag.com

Uhhhhh, what? None of that is actually true. And that article doesn't "explain" anything. It's literally not saying anything close to what you are.

Perhaps this will explain it better. There's a reason VZW isn't selling the OP9s. VZW has invested heavily in c-band while T-Mobile is utilizing the low sub 6. The OP9 doesn't have the c- band capabilities since most of the world is doing mm UW and sub 6.too tired to go any further. Most people on VZW had to shut 5g off because of the latency issues. If VZW does indeed sell the Op9 pro it will be c band compatible but will be more expensive to produce. Again I didn't switch to TMobile because VZW did something wrong. I switched because if I'm going to buy a 5g phone in 2021 I want it to work in 5g now not in 2022. VZW is late to the game in true 5G. And they had a net loss of subscribers because of this. Personally I do not like tmo. I don't like their CEO especially so im not knocking VZW.
Verizon 5G coverage map, plans, phones and home internet
Here's where the Verizon 5G network is available and what it will cost you
www.tomsguide.com

Ok guys. I have a LE2125, and I'm using verizon. It works great. Better than it did on t-mobile (Data speed and coverage-wise. Your area may vary). Only issue is there is no VoWifi or VoLTE. Service area and data speeds are great. 5G works. LTE works. LTE+ works. Calls and texts work.

Can I switch galaxy j7 sm-j7ooh to Android 7

Perhaps this will explain it better. There's a reason VZW isn't selling the OP9s. VZW has invested heavily in c-band while T-Mobile is utilizing the low sub 6. The OP9 doesn't have the c- band capabilities since most of the world is doing mm UW and sub 6.too tired to go any further. Most people on VZW had to shut 5g off because of the latency issues.
Verizon 5G coverage map, plans, phones and home internet
Here's where the Verizon 5G network is available and what it will cost you
www.tomsguide.com
dkcats3 said:
Ok guys. I have a LE2125, and I'm using verizon. It works great. Better than it did on t-mobile (Data speed and coverage-wise. Your area may vary). Only issue is there is no VoWifi or VoLTE. Service area and data speeds are great. 5G works. LTE works. LTE+ works. Calls and texts work.
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Are you in a metro area by any chance?

Creative_Ingenuity said:
Perhaps this will explain it better. There's a reason VZW isn't selling the OP9s. VZW has invested heavily in c-band while T-Mobile is utilizing the low sub 6. The OP9 doesn't have the c- band capabilities since most of the world is doing mm UW and sub 6.too tired to go any further. Most people on VZW had to shut 5g off because of the latency issues.
Verizon 5G coverage map, plans, phones and home internet
Here's where the Verizon 5G network is available and what it will cost you
www.tomsguide.com
Are you in a metro area by any chance?
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No, I am way out in a pretty rural area in NY

Lucky you. I grew up in the Hudson Valley. Now in Florida since 97. Hate it. Wish I was in Rochester. Too many people in Florida. I'm jealous

Creative_Ingenuity said:
Perhaps this will explain it better. There's a reason VZW isn't selling the OP9s. VZW has invested heavily in c-band while T-Mobile is utilizing the low sub 6. The OP9 doesn't have the c- band capabilities since most of the world is doing mm UW and sub 6.too tired to go any further. Most people on VZW had to shut 5g off because of the latency issues. If VZW does indeed sell the Op9 pro it will be c band compatible but will be more expensive to produce. Again I didn't switch to TMobile because VZW did something wrong. I switched because if I'm going to buy a 5g phone in 2021 I want it to work in 5g now not in 2022. VZW is late to the game in true 5G. And they had a net loss of subscribers because of this. Personally I do not like tmo. I don't like their CEO especially so im not knocking VZW.
Verizon 5G coverage map, plans, phones and home internet
Here's where the Verizon 5G network is available and what it will cost you
www.tomsguide.com
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Your post still had no basis in reality whatsoever. I don't give 2 ****s about Verizon, I'm not trying to defend them. I'm just saying you're spreading completely false information.
Here, I'll break it down:
Verizon sold their towers and T-Mobile bought them? That's... just not accurate at all. Are you talking about this?
America Tower: T-Mobile co-locating gear on Verizon towers we bought
American Tower sees a strong future ahead for its portfolio of cell towers it acquired earlier this year from Verizon Wireless, according to an American Tower executive. T-Mobile US, in particular, has been looking to co-locate its network gear on those towers as it expands its LTE network. |...
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Verizon leased their towers to a 3rd party company who then sublets the towers. You DO realize that each cell tower holds multiple carriers, right?
Tmo used to suck.
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Every carrier has good and bad spots. Where I live, T-Mobile has been on par with Verizon for years. In other areas Verizon sucks. Some areas T-Mobile can't get signal at all.
Service and customer service.
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T-Mobile has been leading customer service metrics for like a decade now. They've actually been going a little downhill since the Sprint takeover, but T-Mobile has been the gold standard for YEARS.
VZW has already admitted that their 5g is a combination of 4G and 5G.
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"admitted". So is T-Mobile in a bunch of areas. And AT&T. Also, you're thinking of SA and NSA (standalone and non-standalone), not NR. NR (New Radio) allows for SA and NSA, and it's a Qualcomm thing, not a Verizon or T-Mobile thing.
5G is just a marketing tool
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I'm not even touching this. This is pure fantasy.
The consumers get the short end of the stick and the lawmakers allow the FCC to change the definition of what 5G speeds are.
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Lawmakers and the FCC don't change "definitions" of "5G speeds". Nobody does. 5G isn't determined by speed at all. 5th Generation connectivity. It's how phones connect to the towers, not what speeds they run at. If you're getting 1mb/s on a 5G tower, does that mean you're on 3G? OF COURSE NOT. Just like if you're connecting at 200mb/s on LTE, that doesn't make you "5G".
Also while your phone will work on VZW it will not have the correct radio in it to truly take advantage of 5G.
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I really don't think you read the article you linked. The only thing the OP 9 and 9 Pro lacks is wifi calling on Verizon. MAYBE you're trying to say the 9 won't connect to MM-Wave while the Pro can, but it's like that on every carrier. The 9 won't connect to T-Mobile's MM-Wave either. Now, the article DOES mention that the 9Pro won't SAY it's on MMWave, because it's missing the ICON. The Icon.
Insiders tell me that OnePlus could fix this by adding a Verizon "icon pack" to its firmware. I've asked OnePlus for comment and I'll update this when I hear back. The phones also don't work with Verizon's Wi-Fi calling feature. There's just no option to turn it on. Verizon tells me there is no plan to add that, at least for now. I've also asked OnePlus about that.
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Seriously, I have no idea what you're trying to get at here. But it's all FUD.
Now, as to your last post:
There's a reason VZW isn't selling the OP9s.
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Yeah, they sold one model and it FLOPPED. Nobody was buying it, so they chose not to have it take up space on their shelves. They still support every model since the 6T on their network.
VZW has invested heavily in c-band while T-Mobile is utilizing the low sub 6. The OP9 doesn't have the c- band capabilities since most of the world is doing mm UW and sub 6.too tired to go any further.
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The C-Band auction literally ended what, 3 months ago? Verizon and T-Mobile don't even plan on rolling it out until late 2022. Why would they sell phones with it NOW? Also, the "rest of the world"? The EU hasn't rolled out MMWave yet, as they just ended the first rounds of spectrum auctions. MOST countries barely have any 5G, if any. And that's fine, because 5G is mainly about capacity, not speed. And they don't need the capacity right now, LTE-A is working fine for them.
Also, you're confusing C-Band with the existing mid-band spectrum that T-Mobile acquired from Sprint, which is used on band 41 and is known as the "faster" 5G (though still slower than MMWave). T-Mobile's low band 5G isn't about speed either, it's about capacity. You're lucky to get over 75mb/s with their low band stuff. Just like Verizon. Go figure. The lower bands have slower speed and reach further, that's just how physics work.
Most people on VZW had to shut 5g off because of the latency issues. If VZW does indeed sell the Op9 pro it will be c band compatible but will be more expensive to produce.
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Again, NO carrier has C-Band deployed right now, and won't be deployed in any large scale for at least a year. Why would they make a 9 Pro with it later on when it will be at least TWO models behind? (The 9T and the 10, possibly the 10T as well)
I switched because if I'm going to buy a 5g phone in 2021 I want it to work in 5g now not in 2022.
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Uhhh, ok. Despite Verizon's 5G speed sucking, and MMWave not being anywhere CLOSE to ready for prime time, it still WORKS. Again, I don't think you understand that there's a separation between 5G and speeds.
they had a net loss of subscribers because of this.
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Verizon has been losing customers to T-Mobile for years now. It doesn't have anything to do with 5G, it's about being priced out of the budget market. They want to focus on ARPU vs number of lines, while T-Mobile took the opposite approach, hence them giving out free lines right before every earnings report.

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2125 should work fine. 2127 may or may not work. The rest will not work
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I have the LE2127 I got straight from TMobile. So maybe a no go?

I believe it should work as long as your phone is unlocked, whether it's a tmo or global phone shouldn't matter much except of course for adding some tmo specific bands.

RootMyNote4Please said:
I have the LE2127 I got straight from TMobile. So maybe a no go?
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the 2125 and the 2127 is basically the same phone. It will work perfectly fine.

entropism said:
the 2125 and the 2127 is basically the same phone. It will work perfectly fine.
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Basically, but not exactly. There's a reason global converted OP9P from tmo must reflash the tmo modem for each OTA.
Since OP already has the 2127, worst case is you give it a shot and see if it works. Maybe it will, may not.

General Google Pixel 6 5G is about to get faster than ever on T-Mobile

https://www.phonearena.com/news/t-mobile-google-pixel-6-5g-faster-speed_id137167
According to a report by AndroidPolice, U.S. mobile carrier T-mobile plans to bring even faster lightning 5G connection speeds to the Google Pixel 6 handset, with the arrival of next year.
The speed boost will come to both the Pixel 6 and the Pixel 6 Pro, and was actually first discovered by a fan of the publication who decided to check out the modem log of his own daily driver, the Pixel 6. Both members of the Pixel 6 series carry Samsung's in-house Exynos 5123b wireless connection modem, which was freshly released this year.
The modem log, which he has since submitted and is hosted on 4G/5G Bands & Combos, simply revealed the way that the modem handled both uplink and downlink traffic, employing various channels on multiple different bands of the spectrum. This is known as carrier aggregation, or CA, because use of the available resources is simply optimized to allow for a higher data rate per each cell.
The website 4G/5G Bands & Combos serves to list just such data, which is based on real logs from on-board smartphone modems—since a smartphone or modem maker will never actually tell you their supported combinations for 4G or 5G carrier aggregation as part of your device specs; they simply show you a 4G/5G support category number, and leave it at that.
The new log, when contrasted against the previous one from October, contains a new carrier aggregation combination for two of the 5G bands: n71 and n41. According to AndroidPolice's sleuthing, these are actually a direct match to two of T-Mobile's airwaves, 600 MHz and 2.5 GHZ. T-Mobile has apparently been testing carrier aggregation on these airwaves since 2020, and plans to send it live in 2022.
When T-Mobile finally turns on its 5G network carrier aggregation next year, the Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro—which already feature millimeter wave 5G reception—will be all set to boost their wireless connection speeds to even higher limits than before.
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roirraW edor ehT said:
https://www.phonearena.com/news/t-mobile-google-pixel-6-5g-faster-speed_id137167
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It's already pretty fast.

bouchigo said:
It's already pretty fast.
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600 Mbps?! Jesus .... I'm lucky if I break 100 Mbps where I'm at.

Fast enough already for me as well

scott.hart.bti said:
600 Mbps?! Jesus .... I'm lucky if I break 100 Mbps where I'm at.
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It just depends where you are at. Those speeds are at my home. I've seen speeds of over 800 Mbps in certain areas where I live, and speeds of about 200 Mbps in others. I've seen others, in different places (somewhere in the east coast) get over 1 Gbps.

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600 Mbps?! Jesus .... I'm lucky if I break 100 Mbps where I'm at.
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I'm lucky if I break 20Mbps. All of us people living in densely populated areas struggle with the speeds being slower than molasses sliding down a tree in the Arctic lol.

Thought I'd just drop in and say I managed to get this speed today with my 6 Pro whilst stopped at the traffic lights in my CBD area (Telstra 5G network in Adelaide, South Australia).
Must have been a really good sweet spot as never seen those speeds before! (My previous record was 700-800Mbps at my workplace with my Oppo Find X2 Pro).

Texan1 said:
Thought I'd just drop in and say I managed to get this speed today with my 6 Pro whilst stopped at the traffic lights in my CBD area (Telstra 5G network in Adelaide, South Australia).
Must have been a really good sweet spot as never seen those speeds before! (My previous record was 700-800Mbps at my workplace with my Oppo Find X2 Pro).
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Wow- the best I have gotten is a little over 800Mbs

That's it.... Time to show you guys what's up. 25 Mbps... Beat that! Lol.

It would've been nice if these sites properly credited me for the modem logs.
*looking at XDA in particular*
I've also since proven that the NR-CA works at a live site on Long Island. One of the quickest turnarounds I've ever done for testing.

Texan1 said:
Thought I'd just drop in and say I managed to get this speed today with my 6 Pro whilst stopped at the traffic lights in my CBD area (Telstra 5G network in Adelaide, South Australia).
Must have been a really good sweet spot as never seen those speeds before! (My previous record was 700-800Mbps at my workplace with my Oppo Find X2 Pro).
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Holy ****!!! I've only had my phone less than a week and I live in NYC but the fastest I've got was about 500Mbps, with an average of 200

I just tested my ip13 on tmo 5g UC 600-700dl 60up
They just upgraded the tower across the street where I live
My pixel 6 pro is with Big Red
given verizon is not that great at my house and tmo just upgraded.. may be time for "Keep and switch" promo over to tmobile.

mofoliar said:
I just tested my ip13 on tmo 5g UC 600-700dl 60up
They just upgraded the tower across the street where I live
My pixel 6 pro is with Big Red
given verizon is not that great at my house and tmo just upgraded.. may be time for "Keep and switch" promo over to tmobile.
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Wise move! I switched years ago and have never looked back!

New highest speed for me! In the suburbs this time, not far from a tower.

I'm on T-Mobile and I constantly have signal issues

State.of.mind said:
I'm on T-Mobile and I constantly have signal issues
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Where at? Not to bad here in southern Nevada.

galaxys said:
Where at? Not to bad here in southern Ne
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I'm in Central PA

question: has anyone used their p6p from verizon on tmobile and have 5G UC work? I can seem to find a Real answer.