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no 4G?

hi
i recently got a nexus from google.
it woks like a charm but i notice i have never gotten 4G on my phone.
i know there is cus my friend has 4G on his GS2.
so any one knows why is my phone not connecting to 4G network?
any help will be appreciated
PS: the APN i have is epc.tmo.com

HSPA+ (the H icon) is the same thing as T-Mobile's "4G."
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its weird, i get a 3G icon then it changes to an H. but when i go to settings i dont have the network mode option to choose from.
C0dy said:
HSPA+ (the H icon) is the same thing as T-Mobile's "4G."
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It wasn't built to display HSPA+ as 4G for T-Mobile.
Google and rest of Europe considered it plain old 3G.
HSPA+ is not true 4G. It's considered 4G because it's almost as fast as 4G but it's not and people don't mind being tricked by that. They want to feel good about their phone. So they simply accept it.
I would just to brag about it. =p
Look at the AT&T 4S, it has HSPA+ but they don't advertise it as 4G. They just say it's faster then normal 3G.
That's why all my friends on AT&T with a 4S and jailbroken just get winter board and change the 3G to 4G and say they got 4G.
It's as fast so they say, "WTH!!! Let's make people feel like they got 4G and see a symbol that says so, even though they know they don't."
That is why you dont see 4G.

Ahh ok. Im asking cus someone told me i needed a new sim card. But thanks
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Yeah I understand why you would be confused. U assume it's 4G since it's as fast. =p
I'd do the same unless I'm told. And since I found out when the 4S came out (I was confused at first), I learned it's just simple 3G on steroids.

Actually one of the firmware updates to the 4S revised the indicator so now it *does* say 4G on AT&T. Which is frustrating because non-technical types now say things like "Well my son didn't get 4G on his Verizon 4G phone in our area, but I get 4G on my AT&T iPhone, so I guess AT&T has better 4G."

I know.
Advertising something that is not true. They can trick people into thinking that the AT&T 4S is better and make people think they have more 4G coverage.
Technically it does since it's considered just as fast. But technically isn't good enough.

DLD511 said:
I know.
Advertising something that is not true. They can trick people into thinking that the AT&T 4S is better and make people think they have more 4G coverage.
Technically it does since it's considered just as fast. But technically isn't good enough.
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The iPhone 4S utilizes HSPA+ just like the Galaxy Nexus. The only difference is that the 4S has an HSPA+ radio that is limited to 14.4Mbps, just like early T-Mobile HSPA+ devices like the G2x. The Nexus has a 21Mbps radio. Functionally, there isn't a whole lot of difference.
Fortunately, we should see true 4G in the states soon, as T-Mobile plans to roll out LTE-Advanced; which, unlike AT&T, Sprint and Verizon's LTE, is the version that actually complies to all of the initial 4G standards, which are not limited to speed. Unfortunately, it will likely still be quite a while before we see speeds of 100Mbps / 1Gbps, which are also one of the requirements. The backhaul and infrastructure for such a network simply aren't utilized in the US. Also, I don't think we really need speeds like that. The initial LTE we have now is still a battery drainer, where HSPA+ still excels in efficiency. The main benefit of LTE and LTE Advanced is changing from a circuit switched network to a fully IP based system, which HSPA+ partially supports.
Correction: The 4S uses HSDPA+HSUPA, which is close but not identical to HSPA+.
HSDPA+HSUPA Release 6
HSPA+ Release 7
LTE Release 8
LTE Advanced Release 10

3G is UMTS. 4G is HSPA/HSPA+
4G and 3G are not the same in these terms.
"Long is the way, and hard, that out of hell leads up to light."

T-Mobile's LTE gonna be at 48mbps correct??? Gonna be damn fast.

Here's Verizon speeds.

DLD511 said:
T-Mobile's LTE gonna be at 48mbps correct??? Gonna be damn fast.
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T-Mobile's HSPA+ is already at 48Mbps in most cases. No word on the max speed for LTE Advanced yet.
Keep in mind that maximum theoretical speed and maximum real usage speed are two different things, but LTE Advanced supposedly reduces a lot of the issues that HSPA+ has, including the speed degradation that HSPA+ has when it comes to distance from the tower and interference.
Also, to be honest, speed tests are just like benchmarks. They really don't show realistic results most of the time. Besides, most of us really only use about 250kbps-3Mbps in actual real time usage, at best and on high load.

JaiaV said:
T-Mobile's HSPA+ is already at 48Mbps in most cases. No word on the max speed for LTE Advanced yet.
Keep in mind that maximum theoretical speed and maximum real usage speed are two different things, but LTE Advanced supposedly reduces a lot of the issues that HSPA+ has, including the speed degradation that HSPA+ has when it comes to distance from the tower and interference.
Also, to be honest, speed tests are just like benchmarks. They really don't show realistic results most of the time. Besides, most of us really only use about 250kbps-3Mbps in actual real time usage, at best and on high load.
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Verizon got to play serious catch up on speed.

DLD511 said:
T-Mobile's LTE gonna be at 48mbps correct??? Gonna be damn fast.
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They're already on 48mbps HSPA+. When they deploy LTE, it'll be LTE-Advanced, which is the next iteration above the current LTE deployments by AT&T/Verizon.
DLD511 said:
Here's Verizon speeds.
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cool story.

Verizon gonna do this too???

DLD511 said:
Verizon gonna do this too???
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Verizon's still busy implementing Release 9 LTE. Less incentive for them to upgrade to LTE Advanced, but possible the groundwork has already been laid for it, not entirely certain of what the differences between the hardware needed at the cell site or the hardware needed in the handset have to be.

JaiaV said:
Verizon's still busy implementing Release 9 LTE. Less incentive for them to upgrade to LTE Advanced, but possible the groundwork has already been laid for it, not entirely certain of what the differences between the hardware needed at the cell site or the hardware needed in the handset have to be.
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Bet it's gonna **** on the battery.... again.

DLD511 said:
Bet it's gonna **** on the battery.... again.
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LTE is quite horrible for battery life. I'm not sure what the difference LTE Advanced will make. I do know that one of the reasons LTE battery life is poor is that LTE coverage is relatively sparse for the time being, as the radio is having to work harder to get and keep a signal than it would if LTE coverage were as prevalent as HSPA+ coverage is.

Can we use AT&T 4G LTE on these? Is the radio physically there?

I'm debating between the T-Mobile and AT&T versions of the SG3. I'm currently planning on using a prepaid T-Mobile service but I can see myself in the future possibly switching to a postpaid AT&T plan.
If I buy the AT&T version I will be stuck on EDGE when on the T-Mobile network. No one has gotten T-Mobile's HSPA+ or DC-HSPA+ to work on the AT&T version of the GS3.
If I buy the T-Mobile version I won't have the option of using AT&T 4G LTE if I choose to go AT&T in the future.
So: does the T-Mobile GS3 physically have the AT&T 4G LTE hardware, and could it be activated?

fuzzybabybunny said:
I'm debating between the T-Mobile and AT&T versions of the SG3. I'm currently planning on using a prepaid T-Mobile service but I can see myself in the future possibly switching to a postpaid AT&T plan.
If I buy the AT&T version I will be stuck on EDGE when on the T-Mobile network. No one has gotten T-Mobile's HSPA+ or DC-HSPA+ to work on the AT&T version of the GS3.
If I buy the T-Mobile version I won't have the option of using AT&T 4G LTE if I choose to go AT&T in the future.
So: does the T-Mobile GS3 physically have the AT&T 4G LTE hardware, and could it be activated?
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I looked into the exact same thing before taking the plunge. Apparently, even though they have the same hardware, there is a trade off no matter which one you choose, so short answer is no. (But who knows,there are smarter people out there who may prove me wrong...)
I can tell you why I went with the T Mobile version if it will help with your decision...
1. TMo ver will work with HSPA on both TMO and ATT (As you pointed out, the ATT will only get EDGE on TMo)
2. I previously owned 2 LTE phones and battery life was horrible. Giving LTE up was not that difficult for me since the trade off was batt life
3. HSPA speeds are enough for my uses (You will rarely ever get advertised speeds with either HSPA or LTE)

Hey Cheez - FYI if you are the second post on a thread there is absolutely no reason to quote the whole first post. How could there possibly be any confusion about what you are replying to?

dkmdlb said:
Hey Cheez - FYI if you are the second post on a thread there is absolutely no reason to quote the whole first post. How could there possibly be any confusion about what you are replying to?
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lol, well, between Cheez and I it might just be force of habit. Plus if the OP changes their original post the quote will contain the old post without the changes.

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Hey Cheez - FYI if you are the second post on a thread there is absolutely no reason to quote the whole first post. How could there possibly be any confusion about what you are replying to?
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Infamous_Cheez said:
I looked into the exact same thing before taking the plunge. Apparently, even though they have the same hardware, there is a trade off no matter which one you choose, so short answer is no. (But who knows,there are smarter people out there who may prove me wrong...)
I can tell you why I went with the T Mobile version if it will help with your decision...
1. TMo ver will work with HSPA on both TMO and ATT (As you pointed out, the ATT will only get EDGE on TMo)
2. I previously owned 2 LTE phones and battery life was horrible. Giving LTE up was not that difficult for me since the trade off was batt life
3. HSPA speeds are enough for my uses (You will rarely ever get advertised speeds with either HSPA or LTE)
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Got it. Thanks. Even if I go with AT&T I might not even want to use their 4G network since it hogs battery so much? I've currently got T-Mobile and the fastest I've ever been able to clock is a measly 5mbps. A far cry from even the "slow" 21mbps speed that HSPA+ advertises.

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Definitely force of habit on my part
fuzzybabybunny said:
Got it. Thanks. Even if I go with AT&T I might not even want to use their 4G network since it hogs battery so much? I've currently got T-Mobile and the fastest I've ever been able to clock is a measly 5mbps. A far cry from even the "slow" 21mbps speed that HSPA+ advertises.
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Also, ATT may or may not have LTE lit up in your area yet. You may be waiting for a while. I had an HTC Thunderbold and a Galaxy Nexus on VZW for a few years and it was only towards the last 3 months of my VZW service that I began to get LTE lol HSPA is much more widespread as of right now on ATT

My GF has the hox and at the house I have faster speeds than she does hspa+ 42 is pretty damn fast
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md1008 said:
My GF has the hox and at the house I have faster speeds than she does hspa+ 42 is pretty damn fast
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What kind of speeds are you getting with hspa+42?

All depends on where I am at my high is 23 mbps. My average is around 6mbps. Basically it varies a lot really hard to give you an average
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[Q] Factory Unlocked M8 on T-Mobile US?

I've been searching around for information, but I can't seem to find a super clear answer. Could someone educate me on the ability for the factory unlocked M8 to work on the T-Mobile network? More specifically, will I be able to continue to get their LTE service or at least their HSPA+ with this model? Thanks in advance!
Here is the link to the specific model/specs of the unlocked version.
http://shopamerica.htc.com/cell-phones/productdetail.htm?prId=42977

Reports indicate that the unlocked and developer editions use ATTs sku so you won't get AWS HSPA but you will get AWS LTE. It will work but it isn't ideal as soon as you lose LTE signal chances are much better you'll be on edge than with a tmobile branded phone. Most markets are pretty good with 1900 HSPA coverage but it's still not as good as their AWS HSPA coverage.

Alright, so here's what I can say now for at least the metro Detroit area.
1) Yes, I'm getting LTE, so woot! Hitting in the 20-28Mbs range on the speed test app. This is on part with what I was getting on my T-Mobile S4 variant.
2) Turning off LTE and switching over to GSM/WCDMA only mode via the mobile data settings pane, I'm getting around 7Mbs down. Again, on part with my area in my experience. It does look like it's switching over to HSPA, not Edge with I can totally deal with.
Now, I've not had it long enough to know how it will work in real life, but so far, so good.

Juvenall said:
Alright, so here's what I can say now for at least the metro Detroit area.
1) Yes, I'm getting LTE, so woot! Hitting in the 20-28Mbs range on the speed test app. This is on part with what I was getting on my T-Mobile S4 variant.
2) Turning off LTE and switching over to GSM/WCDMA only mode via the mobile data settings pane, I'm getting around 7Mbs down. Again, on part with my area in my experience. It does look like it's switching over to HSPA, not Edge with I can totally deal with.
Now, I've not had it long enough to know how it will work in real life, but so far, so good.
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What are the benefits of getting the Dev edition over the unlocked besides unlocked bootloader?

ILoveYouAll said:
What are the benefits of getting the Dev edition over the unlocked besides unlocked bootloader?
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That's really the only difference between the two. Since the price is the same, I don't see any reason to go for the standard unlocked. I see a lot of posts of people switching over to the regular unlocked one to get it shipped a little earlier.

kokocabana said:
That's really the only difference between the two. Since the price is the same, I don't see any reason to go for the standard unlocked. I see a lot of posts of people switching over to the regular unlocked one to get it shipped a little earlier.
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Aye. This is the only reason I switched my order. I figured it was a choice between 5 minutes of work to unlock the bootloader myself or 2-4 weeks waiting for stock to roll in.

I'm okay with waiting a bit. Hopefully the first few batches will have the most defects and the one I get will be better.

Juvenall said:
Alright, so here's what I can say now for at least the metro Detroit area.
1) Yes, I'm getting LTE, so woot! Hitting in the 20-28Mbs range on the speed test app. This is on part with what I was getting on my T-Mobile S4 variant.
2) Turning off LTE and switching over to GSM/WCDMA only mode via the mobile data settings pane, I'm getting around 7Mbs down. Again, on part with my area in my experience. It does look like it's switching over to HSPA, not Edge with I can totally deal with.
Now, I've not had it long enough to know how it will work in real life, but so far, so good.
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Pretty sure you live in an area that T-Mobile has been refarming their 1700 to 1900, so you should be good with not only LTE, but HSPA+ (using the refarmed network band).
Before switching to T-Mobile late last year, I was on AT&T (in New York City). I made the jump, along with my device from AT&T, as soon as T-Mobile refarmed in my area. So I was getting both LTE and HSPA+ perfectly like before.
As long as folks live in an area that has been refarmed for the 1900 band, you'll get HSPA+. But T-Mobile has been refarming for quite sometime now their 1700 band. So HTC not fully supporting it in the unlocked model is not a huge surprise.

LG d855 Euro model of G3, since not using LTE will it have unlimited data?

I have a d855 model and I read it can't use LTE. Mine displays H instead of LTE but streams hd video as fast as my LTE phone or at least I notice no difference. When I did speed test when tether to laptop I got 4mbps which is still high speed but I think LTE is way faster.
My question is if no 4g/LTE which is limited at 2.5gb per month then am I unlimited high speed ? Just slower high speed.

Nope, 2.5gb with LTE, HSDPA, 3G, EDGE or GPRS and after that your speed will be limited to 64kbit/s (or slower) till end of month.

The phone does in fact have LTE. And whatever stipulations are concerning your data plan are specific to the plan you have on your wireless carrier.

Japultra said:
The phone does in fact have LTE. And whatever stipulations are concerning your data plan are specific to the plan you have on your wireless carrier.
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I'm not so much concerned with LTE being available in other parts of the world based on the frequencies of the d855. I need LTE here in the USA and so far I've found the question asked a ton of times and all of the answers are that it does not have LTE. It does not have 1700 or 1900 capabilities which is what T-mobile needs. I even read posts where ATT people can't seem to get it to work with their LTE. I tested it last night and got 3g speeds for tethering 4.19mbps, then put sim in my chinese Huawei and got 28.35mbps so for sure it's on 3g and not LTE. It works great on 3g and is fairly fast but the fact that a USA seller who is selling in the USA would specifically state 4g LTE phone and not mention anywhere in the ebay ad that LTE won't work in the country he is trying to sell it is irritating. If he was a seller in another country then it would be another story. Even his rating was great and no complaints about the d855 but most people might not care that they aren't getting LTE.

jeffrimerman said:
I'm not so much concerned with LTE being available in other parts of the world based on the frequencies of the d855. I need LTE here in the USA and so far I've found the question asked a ton of times and all of the answers are that it does not have LTE. It does not have 1700 or 1900 capabilities which is what T-mobile needs. I even read posts where ATT people can't seem to get it to work with their LTE. I tested it last night and got 3g speeds for tethering 4.19mbps, then put sim in my chinese Huawei and got 28.35mbps so for sure it's on 3g and not LTE. It works great on 3g and is fairly fast but the fact that a USA seller who is selling in the USA would specifically state 4g LTE phone and not mention anywhere in the ebay ad that LTE won't work in the country he is trying to sell it is irritating. If he was a seller in another country then it would be another story. Even his rating was great and no complaints about the d855 but most people might not care that they aren't getting LTE.
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Gotcha. You never mentioned in your original post where you live so I had no idea.

Japultra said:
Gotcha. You never mentioned in your original post where you live so I had no idea.
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sorry, I noticed your info said London so figured you might not have. They said they'll refund so should be fine. I just want to make sure they don't hit me with a restockng fee. I currently use the Huawei Ascend Mate 2. 6.1" screen and 4000mah battery is hard to walk away from. It's the camera on it that isn't so awesome.

Turbo 2 Works on TMobile

Well, since the Force is out and the DT2 seems to completely lack dev support and rooting method, I am very seriously considering dumping VZW for TMo. Picked up a prepaid sim from 7-11 to test out tonight.
I live just over the river from NYC in NJ and commute to Bryant Park area daily for work. Will be periodically posting my impressions here. Plan on swapping SIMs for a few day to put TMo thru the ringer before pulling the trigger on an X-Force
So far working completely, both Voice & LTE. Not sure if I am getting VoLTE or true GSM Voice service, as I do not know of a way to test. I have been sitting comfortably on Band 4 for LTE when outside with 4 full bars of service. Inside my apartment, 4g is spotty with TMo (I live in a garden level place, half underground half above in a brownstone), however without band 12 present in the phone, I dont expect blazing or strong 4g signal indoors.
I do however get strong HSPA+ inside which has been pretty fast through basic web browsing and small app downloads.
What has blown me away is the speed of the TMo network, both HSPA and LTE. I took the following speedtests (same spot, swapping sims & letting connection settle). While it is harder to get 4G LTE inside with TMo and no band 12, when I do get it, the speed still BLOWS away VZW
Pic 1 - Verizon Indoor (foyer) - 4G LTE
Pic 2 - T-Mo Indoor (foyer) - HSPA +
Pic 3 - Verizon Outside - 4G LTE
Pic 4 - T-Mo Outside - 4G LTE
Pic 5 - T-Mo Inside front foyer - 4G LTE (verizon speed was same as previous outside pic)
Pic 6 - Verizon Inside on Couch (middle of apt) - 4G LTE
Pic 7 - TMo Inside on Couch (middle of apt) - 4G LTE

Got it from VZW BF promotion, thanks for your post. It does work for AT&T and T-Mobile, not sure for Sprint.

lwang9 said:
Got it from VZW BF promotion, thanks for your post. It does work for AT&T and T-Mobile, not sure for Sprint.
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Have been seeing similar results today while at work in nyc. My desk gets full 4-5 bars of 4g service with TMo. I am on the 8th floor of a brick building. Def thought reception would suck at my desk.
Ive had the same results today at my desk regarding speed tests.

So you had to do no unlocking,it worked out of the box?

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So you had to do no unlocking,it worked out of the box?
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yep, 100% minus band 12. Not sure if band 12 can be unlocked. but has been working pretty sweet out of the box. simple sim swap

You guys think this would soon work with Google fi, now that would be nice . thanks for the info guys nice to know since I am limited to 18GB...

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You guys think this would soon work with Google fi, now that would be nice . thanks for the info guys nice to know since I am limited to 18GB...
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I would think it would work partially... I would check what bands project fi uses

lwang9 said:
Got it from VZW BF promotion, thanks for your post. It does work for AT&T and T-Mobile, not sure for Sprint.
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It'll work on GSM carriers (T-Mobile, AT&T, US Cellular, etc.) but not Sprint since it's a CDMA network. Phones with CDMA radios are allowed onto a CDMA network via a code, and Sprint blocks codes from Verizon phones, and vice versa.

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It'll work on GSM carriers (T-Mobile, AT&T, US Cellular, etc.) but not Sprint since it's a CDMA network. Phones with CDMA radios are allowed onto a CDMA network via a code, and Sprint blocks codes from Verizon phones, and vice versa.
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Current generation iPhone and Nexus work with Sprint and Verizon both.

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Current generation iPhone and Nexus work with Sprint and Verizon both.
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That's because iPhones and Nexuses are unlocked phones by default. The Turbo 2 is a Verizon exclusive that happens to be SIM unlocked, so Sprint isn't going to accept it.

rcmartin57 said:
You guys think this would soon work with Google fi, now that would be nice . thanks for the info guys nice to know since I am limited to 18GB...
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It should work on the T-mo portion of Fi, with no switching to Sprint, obviously. Also no wi-fi calling afaik.

Where do you live? I have yet to see less then 60Mbs on Verizon. Hell I hit over 100 pretty often and stay around 75-80 for the most part.

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Where do you live? I have yet to see less then 60Mbs on Verizon. Hell I hit over 100 pretty often and stay around 75-80 for the most part.
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That is some great speed!!! No I was talking about my data cap of 18gb. I was thinking of getting a side prepaid sim for the extra data.

Please tell me how you did it
how did you get the turbo 2 to work on tmobile?

im in nyc and have turbo 2 on vzw and had an extra one as backup. a buddy in tampa florida using a galaxy s6 regular on tmo kept having issues with his fone. i sent him my backup which is exactly the same im using. he put his sim into the turbo without any problems and works fine. he gets no dropped calls for whatever reason. he thought he would miss his wifi calling but since the fone is better at reception all around he doesnt need the wifi calling and of course he has unlimited data using his Tmo sim and its on LTE . only thing he said he has missed is the turbo 2 doesnt have infrared for his samsuck tv and other controls he could have used via his galaxys infrared. hope this helps.

Bossn8v said:
how did you get the turbo 2 to work on tmobile?
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All Verizon LTE phones are network unlocked by order of the FCC ever since 2011, 2012. It was an "agreement" Verizon was forced to sign to get more LTE spectrum.
http://www.idownloadblog.com/2012/09/24/verizon-iphone-5-unlocked/
http://www.verizon.com/about/consumer-safety/device-unlocking-policy
VERIZON: We do not lock our 4G LTE devices, and no code is needed to program them for use with another carrier.
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It's old news. As long as a Verizon phone has the necessary LTE bands, it will work on any other LTE carrier.
Droid Turbo 2 has LTE bands 2,3,4,7,13. T-Mobile uses LTE bands 2,4,12. So, he's getting LTE bands 2,4.

ChazzMatt said:
All Verizon LTE phones are network unlocked by order of the FCC ever since 2011, 2012. It was an "agreement" Verizon was forced to sign to get more LTE spectrum.
It's old news. As long as a Verizon phone has the necessary LTE bands, it will work on any other LTE carrier.
Droid Turbo 2 has LTE bands 2,3,4,7,13. T-Mobile uses LTE bands 2,4,12. So, he's getting LTE bands 2,4.
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I'm assuming this means I could use my droid turbo 2 outside of the US and just swap in a local sim (and use LTE if those countries use 2,3,7 or 13)?

nebratu said:
I'm assuming this means I could use my droid turbo 2 outside of the US and just swap in a local sim (and use LTE if those countries use 2,3,7 or 13)?
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Yes. For countries without those bands you would rely upon HSPA or even GSM.

I'm using mine on Telstra in Australia with no issues. (Droid Turbo 2)

tomguymer said:
I'm using mine on Telstra in Australia with no issues. (Droid Turbo 2)
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What LTE bands does your carrier use? Info i found says 1, 3, 7, 8, 28. Droid Turbo 2 had two of those (3, 7), plus HSPA of course.