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Next Phone?

What phone do you suggest for the future? I'm disappointed with Zenfone 2 ZE551ML 4GB, bad materials, bad support, ridiculous battery life and bad space management (phone is too big).
My priority are battery (not necessary a battery phone, but at least 6-7 hours of display), good camera (I want support for real slow motion, not the ZF2 one ) , good design (I would prefer a 5-5.2") and good software support.
My budget is 400€ and I need phones that I can found on Amazon (so don't suggest me phones like OP3 that are on Amazon at 100€ more).
Thanks

I was thinking about ZUK Z2 & Z2 Pro as my next phone after ZF2. Generally because it's smaller than 5.5" and probably should have similar performance.
This choice is made based on specifications from the web. I still need to check some reviews for this phone.
Maybe someone can say anything about this phone?

Or Galaxy S8 Edge + Gear Vr,, or nothing

maciek90 said:
I was thinking about ZUK Z2 & Z2 Pro as my next phone after ZF2. Generally because it's smaller than 5.5" and probably should have similar performance.
This choice is made based on specifications from the web. I still need to check some reviews for this phone.
Maybe someone can say anything about this phone?
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The problem is that these phones like Zuk, Xiaomi and these "not top" brands, are not selling officially in Italy and they don't support 800Mhz (band 20) for 4G LTE, used a lot here, expecially where I live and with my carrier..so I need a "more european" brand, to have full 4G support.

I am thinking of the 5.5 inch Zenfone 3. I have been very happy with my ze551ml.
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check elephone p9000 around 250$

dredremon said:
check elephone p9000 around 250$
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P9000 is not really better than ZF2, at least the 4 Gb version (unless you're badly looking for a fingerprint unlockable phone).
I used a P8000 before and although it's a nice phone, Mediatek processors are less powerful than other manufacturers' equivalent cpu's. If you take Antutu Benchmark as a reference (yes, we all know it can be faked, but it serves its purpose as a reference, and a way to compare two phones) P9000 scores between 45k and 47k, while my ZF2, which is the 1.8 Ghz version, scores between 55k and 57k. P9000 wouldn't be such a step forward, unless your ZF2 is broken beyond repair.
I'd stick to ZF2 until something significantly more powerful and affordable comes around. I've already seen some 6 Gb RAM phones, also with 128 Gb storage, but definitely not in the same price range as the ZF2.

jman0 said:
P9000 is not really better than ZF2, at least the 4 Gb version (unless you're badly looking for a fingerprint unlockable phone).
I used a P8000 before and although it's a nice phone, Mediatek processors are less powerful than other manufacturers' equivalent cpu's. If you take Antutu Benchmark as a reference (yes, we all know it can be faked, but it serves its purpose as a reference, and a way to compare two phones) P9000 scores between 45k and 47k, while my ZF2, which is the 1.8 Ghz version, scores between 55k and 57k. P9000 wouldn't be such a step forward, unless your ZF2 is broken beyond repair.
I'd stick to ZF2 until something significantly more powerful and affordable comes around. I've already seen some 6 Gb RAM phones, also with 128 Gb storage, but definitely not in the same price range as the ZF2.
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if you want upgrade 400$ i suggest xiaomo mi5s + or one plus 3

My current "short list" of devices:
OnePlus 3
ZTE Axon 7
Asus Zenfone 3 Deluxe
LeEco Le Max 2
LeEco Le Pro 3
Xiaomi Redmi Note 3
Sony XA Ultra
Nexus 6
Motorola Moto X Pure

I sincerely felt ZF2 not really worth the price , the hardwares are high spec but softwares are ****.

I got mine in June last year and as still pleased with it. Worth the price to me.
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I'll not purchase ASUS anymore period.
I replace it with an Galaxy S7 duos (flat screen version), cost near twice but it's the best android phone available despite Pixel XL hype, the S7 is the fastest water proof dual sim better display, much smaller than the asus and pixel XL, features Knox and multitasking and Samsung voice recognition its available in Spanish and while not as funny as the assistant does very well when I'm driving, also read messages and emails features not available in Spanish from Google asistant o now. Ahh the S7 also includes HR sensor and wireless charging and cost 300 less than a pixel XL.

I can't find one with better specs than the Zenfone 2 and with the ability to use two sim cards and an sd card at the same time .

karlzberg said:
I can't find one with better specs than the Zenfone 2 and with the ability to use two sim cards and an sd card at the same time .
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Yea there are, the Moto G4 has a dual sim version I don't know if can use the sd slot the same time but includes 64 internal storage android 7 and 0 bloat.
I don't use the sd slot often with 32gb its far enough to me even I have 3 games and 10gb+ in mp3, and when I need video for long trips I just plug an mini otg-usb pendrive.
But there is an mod for the S7 that allows simultaneously use the SD and two sim but implies devastating one sim that can't be uses on other phone anymore.

AcostaJA said:
Yea there are, the Moto G4 has a dual sim version I don't know if can use the sd slot the same time but includes 64 internal storage android 7 and 0 bloat.
I don't use the sd slot often with 32gb its far enough to me even I have 3 games and 10gb+ in mp3, and when I need video for long trips I just plug an mini otg-usb pendrive.
But there is an mod for the S7 that allows simultaneously use the SD and two sim but implies devastating one sim that can't be uses on other phone anymore.
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Moto G4 has only 2gb ram it does has a dedicated sd card slot though :good: but spec wise it's not as good as the zenfone 2 imo.

karlzberg said:
Moto G4 has only 2gb ram it does has a dedicated sd card slot though :good: but spec wise it's not as good as the zenfone 2 imo.
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FYI Moto G4 has versions from 2GB/32gb 5HD" to 4GB/64GB" 5.5HD +fingerprint reader from 150$ (G4play) to 300$ (G4+), in some markets is offered with Dual-Sim feature, and spec-off its an high quality build phone, absolutely reliable with the fastest updated among non-nexus phones, even I considered it at last moment instead the S7.

AcostaJA said:
FYI Moto G4 has versions from 2GB/32gb 5HD" to 4GB/64GB" 5.5HD +fingerprint reader from 150$ (G4play) to 300$ (G4+), in some markets is offered with Dual-Sim feature, and spec-off its an high quality build phone, absolutely reliable with the fastest updated among non-nexus phones, even I considered it at last moment instead the S7.
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:good:
Moto G4 plus Google says 4GB only on sale via Amazon in the UK checking Amazon I'm finding 3GB at £245 so when the 4GB version is out I'm thinking it will probably be north of £300.
One to keep an eye on though:good:

Got the missus a vernee thor for 80GBP , comes with MM out the box and just put AOSP 7.1 on it for her from M.A.D team, here on XDA .
Nippy device 3GB ram and...... MTK of all chipsets

http://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_honor_note_8-8231.php

go for xiaomi mi5 or zenfone 3 deluxe. i am using xiaomi mi5. believe me its best.

Lower-end alternatives to the 5T?

I will probably buy a OnePlus 5T soon, but I really don't need such a high end phone that is so big.
If you had to buyer another phone that had great community support, but didn't cost quite so much, which would it be?
Things which are important to me:
- The open-source/ROM/modding/dev community = mandatory requirement.
- Headphone jack = mandatory requirement.
- SDCard would be nice.
- Removable/user-serviceable battery would be nice.
- Battery life.
Things that I don't like about newer phones, or are not important to me:
- TOO BIG. Fat phones can't fit in my pocket anymore!
- TOO THIN. Lower battery life, more breakable, higher price, makes no sense.
- Removal of the headphone jack. Pure greed and evil.
- OEM ROMs and OEM features: Will never use it anyway.
Just to be clear, cost isn't an issue. I'd gladly pay more if I could get a thicker OnePlus 5T with a removable battery and sdcard slot. I'd pay $1000 for that phone no problem, but it doesn't exist. The problem is the lack of value in buying a thinner, fragile, featureless phone.
Thank you
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OnePlus 3T would be an obviously great choice is price alone was my concern, but it's not. Still a good option.
The Moto G5 Plus and G5S Plus look like good options; they have an sdcard slot, but no removable battery. Great QCA SoC and community support on them. Cost less than half what a OnePlus 5T does.

Removable battery and SD Card slots aren't very popular among manufacturers these days. So a device that fits all of these is hard to find.
My vote, though, would go to the OnePlus 3T.

I'd get the Huawei Mate 10 light which is around 280 €. But I also must say I would never bother with anything below 5.8 inches.

Don't know about other countries but in India Xiaomi just launched Redmi note 5 pro. Check it out.
Edit: it cost around 214$.
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1620179

Great comments so far. Thanks everyone.
Xaiomi Redmi Note 5 Pro looks really good with it's sdcard slot, much better price/value, and a good SoC. I'm not a fan of Xaiomi though: long-term GPL violator and anti-OSS company. Very anti-moral Chinese company. Still, the phone looks good.
OnePlus 3T would be a great option if price alone was my concern, but I money isn't an issue for me.
Any modern SoC would probably be fast enough for my needs, so long as it has good OSS/community dev support. I don't need more than 4GB of RAM.
I really wish there was a phone with dual USB C ports, one on each side. That would take care of the phone jack issue too.

Xiaomi redmi note 5 pro will be a big seller and I expect a huge custom rom community.

Anyone have opinions on the LG G6? It's been out for a few months now.
I agree that Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro has stupid-good specs and price. I will look at it very much, even though I don't trust or like Xiaomi at all. Are they releasing source code for it? Xiaomi has been bad about that in the past.
EDIT: Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro is out of the question. Has no LTE bands I can use (4G bands LTE band 1(2100), 3(1800), 5(850), 40(2300), 41(2500)), and the sources are not out and probably will not be out for months, if ever. New SoC and nobody has DTS or sources yet. Might be popular in India and a few other countries, but not this side of the globe. With so few bands on it, I don't think it will be very popular.

I would try the Moto lineup if you want like a mid grade phone that works well. Pretty sure they meet most of what you are looking for.

have a look at bq aquaris x pro battery is not removable but at decent size

black.kahder said:
Anyone have opinions on the LG G6? It's been out for a few months now.
I agree that Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro has stupid-good specs and price. I will look at it very much, even though I don't trust or like Xiaomi at all. Are they releasing source code for it? Xiaomi has been bad about that in the past.
EDIT: Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro is out of the question. Has no LTE bands I can use (4G bandsLTE band 1(2100), 3(1800), 5(850), 40(2300), 41(2500)), and the sources are not out and probably will not be out for months, if ever. New SoC and nobody has DTS or sources yet. Might be popular in India and a few other countries, but not this side of the globe. With so few bands on it, I don't think it will be very popular.
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1st of all LTE bands depends on countries. Wait for it to launch globally. 2nd Xiaomi release source code within 15 days if device is running on miui which Redmi note 5 pro already is.
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For the bands

Question "OP9 Pro Vs Vivo X60 Pro+" Pros/Cons

"OP9 Pro Vs Vivo X60 Pro+" Pros/Cons

X60 Pro+
Pros:
1. Camera Setup and Overall Quality
Cons:
1. In compare to OP9, Missing stereo Speakers
2. Missing Wireless Charging Support
3. Missing IP68 Rating ( due to vegan leather back)
What do you think???

Is the Vivo X60 Pro+'s bootloader unlockable? If not that's a major "Con"

Also there is a very bad support for vivo on xda and that's why I bought the 9 pro.

Definitely more XDA development for the OnePlus series...

galaxys said:
Definitely more XDA development for the OnePlus series...
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Not sure if that's a buying point for a normal user which uses phone for 3 year and switch to something else...

X60 & X60 Pro was announced yesterday in Hong Kong. CPU changed. No longer using Samsung exynos 1080 (Mainland China version) but Snapdragon 870.
However, I still prefer OnePlus.

Question OP 9 Pro or S21 Ultra?

Hi, I want to update my 6T.
I don't know which one is better, OP 9Pro or S21 Ultra?
What do yo guys think?
Why I like OP 9 Pro?
- Snapdragon 888
- Thinner
- It comes with super charger
- Lighter
Why I like Samsung S21 Ultra?
- Cheaper (Exynos versión $877 12gb - 256Gb) divided at 9 monthly fees without interest.
- Better camera
Which one will you buy if they were at the same price?
Do you know if Samsung launch faster updates than OP or is it the opposite?
Thanks and sorry for my english

I had both in my cart and chose 9pro. I paid 800 usf for it. The s21 ultra is 1200 usd. The 9 pro has the same processor and everyone talked crap about the camera, but I think it's pretty good. They have same 5g processor. Samsung has micro sd slot which I got away from years ago. Samsungs touchwiz is something I don't care for after having 2 phones a s7edge and a note 10 very laggy(uses a lot of resources). If you want the best camera on a phone buy a nokia or Google phone.
I have also owned a 6t and 7tpro mclaren version phones.

At the current prices, I'd take the S21 Ultra. Having used both Samsung and OnePlus phones, I think Samsung provides a more polished product. I'm not saying that the OnePlus 9 Pro is a bad phone, but it doesn't seem like a good value compared to the competition at the moment. Heck, a brand new OnePlus 8 Pro is $599 through OnePlus right now and has virtually all the same qualities. The reports of overheating and unstable software don't help the 9 Pro either. If it gets a discounted price in the coming months, then it may be a more compelling option.

I'd probably take the Ultra. It's a better device all around, but to me it's a bit TOO big. Updates will be faster with the Ultra, Samsung has consistently been putting out monthly updates since the S10. The device will also be supported longer, if you keep your phones for a few years.

OP 9 pro. In my country Samsung sells s21 ultra with exynos processors So no thanks.. If it would have snapdragon I would've choosen s21 ultra

The main complaint about the Exynos is that it gets hotter. Well, the OP9 Pro overheats anyways, so there's no real difference. Oh, and people complain about the Exynos being 0.0xxx% slower, like they could actually feel the difference.

entropism said:
The main complaint about the Exynos is that it gets hotter. Well, the OP9 Pro overheats anyways, so there's no real difference. Oh, and people complain about the Exynos being 0.0xxx% slower, like they could actually feel the difference.
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Yeah I hear the exynos is just about as good as this year's 888 and it's almost impossible to tell the difference.

entropism said:
The main complaint about the Exynos is that it gets hotter. Well, the OP9 Pro overheats anyways, so there's no real difference. Oh, and people complain about the Exynos being 0.0xxx% slower, like they could actually feel the difference.
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I haven't had any problems with overheating of the OnePlus 9 pro yet. In what situations should this happen?

Both the Exynos and SD888 run hot and throttle. Here is a pretty good breakdown and comparison of the 2 chips: https://www.anandtech.com/show/16463/snapdragon-888-vs-exynos-2100-galaxy-s21-ultra
More worrisome for the Exynos is its weird clock behaviour, with the new chip really struggling in maintaining its peak frequencies other than for very brief moments – the Snapdragon 888’s X1 core had no such issues. My Exynos S21 Ultra chip bin was quite terrible here, but the better silicon on my second S21 doesn’t improve things too much either.
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Basically, the Exynos can run as well as the SD888 in terms of peak performance, but that's partially because Samsung is running it overclocked and it gets HOT. Yes, the SD888 gets hot and throttles, but the Exynos gets hotter sooner, drains battery, and the GPU just sucks (and equally power hungry).

Thanks to everybody for your help. I've decided by S21 Ultra because of the price. Here un Argentina i can get it for less money.
I'm a Oneplus follower but this time, my wallet choose.

As a person that has owned an S21 Ultra since it was launched in the USA, I would choose the OP 9 Pro. I have just ordered one through tmobile and can't wait!
Personally, the S21 Ultra was primarily used for youtube vanced, browsing, and as a business cell. I highly value the software and prefer OP's Oxygen OS over OneUI, hence why I'm replacing the S21 Ultra.
Both phones are great and you can't go wrong with either, but software matters the most to me and I didn't think I'd miss OOS as much as I have.

I know OP already made the decision.
Here in the US the OnePlus is cheaper.
I found a mint 9 Pro for $900 with the original receipt and unused buds.
The S21 ultra is about $1000. But can't be rooted unless I spend $150 for a bootloader unlock. That makes it more than $1300 because I have to pay tax on the phone.
Too rich for my blood.

Samsung with Exynox, NO !
Samsung full of Bloatware! Bleah! Oxygen is one of the cleanest Android OS.
I saw many reviews about camera with S21ultra & OnePlu 9 pro. S21 is better, but not by a lot.

I prefer the the OnePlus here in the usa and the Global 7pro, 8pro, 9pro have worked out well for me with T-Mobile!

Actually I prefer the camera of the OP9 Pro over the Mi11 Ultra and the S21 Ultra. The other two might be better for you if you need 10x Zoom very often.
OS and updates? Samsung has quick updates as well, but Oxygen OS from OnePlus is just so clean and close to stock imo. Xiaomis MIUI is pretty good as well - though I had so many bugs on my mi10 pro which haven't been fixed. And they don't update that often or the OTA doesn't work that well - I was on October 2020's android security version until April 2021.
Charging and battery: OnePlus and Xiaomi charge much faster than Samsung. Battery life is probably really close between those 3.
Rooting the Samsung will break Knox with all it's downsides. A lot depends on your preferences but I would go with the OnePlus.

HEROEdelREVES said:
Hi, I want to update my 6T.
I don't know which one is better, OP 9Pro or S21 Ultra?
What do yo guys think?
Why I like OP 9 Pro?
- Snapdragon 888
- Thinner
- It comes with super charger
- Lighter
Why I like Samsung S21 Ultra?
- Cheaper (Exynos versión $877 12gb - 256Gb) divided at 9 monthly fees without interest.
- Better camera
Which one will you buy if they were at the same price?
Do you know if Samsung launch faster updates than OP or is it the opposite?
Thanks and sorry for my english
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Depends. Are you an Android lover or a nonce. ?

In my country
S21U no warranty imported Snap888 (256GB not 128GB) = 1,014 USD
S21U retail 1yr warranty Exynos = 826 USD
OP9P no warranty imported RAM8/256GB = 839 USD
OP9P retail soon (nearly into the market)

HEROEdelREVES said:
Hi, I want to update my 6T.
I don't know which one is better, OP 9Pro or S21 Ultra?
What do yo guys think?
Why I like OP 9 Pro?
- Snapdragon 888
- Thinner
- It comes with super charger
- Lighter
Why I like Samsung S21 Ultra?
- Cheaper (Exynos versión $877 12gb - 256Gb) divided at 9 monthly fees without interest.
- Better camera
Which one will you buy if they were at the same price?
Do you know if Samsung launch faster updates than OP or is it the opposite?
Thanks and sorry for my english
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HEROEdelREVES said:
Hi, I want to update my 6T.
I don't know which one is better, OP 9Pro or S21 Ultra?
What do yo guys think?
Why I like OP 9 Pro?
- Snapdragon 888
- Thinner
- It comes with super charger
- Lighter
Why I like Samsung S21 Ultra?
- Cheaper (Exynos versión $877 12gb - 256Gb) divided at 9 monthly fees without interest.
- Better camera
Which one will you buy if they were at the same price?
Do you know if Samsung launch faster updates than OP or is it the opposite?
Thanks and sorry for my english
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9 pro over exynos s21U. Coz exynos sux, oneui is another meh. software is pretty meh on samsung after android 11. If you getting sd s21U then maibe. If you more concerned on the camera than anything else then go for samsung

Don't Leave out the charging speed.
50w wireless.., not many phones does that with cable plug in.
65w cable charging, is even faster. Awesome.

General OnePlus 11R

Don't see XDA dedicated forum for it.
They added IR Blaster, interesting. And a smidgen more screen size? and like 1.5K resolution (no LPTO screen). Charger 100W.
Yes, it's budget. Last year's Snapdragon (so no 5G band Aggregation), and stays at UFS 3.1, LPPDR 4 (so you won't see lower temps & 30% less power used like regular 11).
Fold coming later this year.
Hhmmm...

Xda forum for 11R will be small like the one for 10R.
10R 150w for a buget phone is Great ! i use it for more than 6 months.
On Giztop 11R is 499$ Usa for 12/256 Gb. With OxygenOS is you want.

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X65 supports 5G aggregation. The X65 was the first modem I would have recommended for someone looking to keep a phone for awhile.
5G Spectrum: mmWave-sub6 aggregation, sub-6 carrier aggregation (FDD-TDD, FDD-FDD, TDD-TDD), FDD-TDD support for uplink-CA, Dynamic Spectrum Sharing (DSS)
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https://www.qualcomm.com/content/dam/qcomm-martech/dm-assets/documents/prod_brief_qcom_x65.pdf
It is fully 3GPP Release 16 compatible as well which means that it can support any commercially-available 5G band (but may require a firmware update so I wouldn't bet on OnePlus adding bands beyond what their sales info states).
If you aren't gaming (there are massive advances in the 8 Gen 2 in this regard) and you are okay with the possibility of having to charge your phone each day (or more than once a day when using 5G heavily), it's definitely worth considering.
EDIT: Actually, it's using the 8 PLUS Gen 1... I have no qualms recommending a device using that chip to anyone who doesn't care about what the X70 modem adds (not much) or who doesn't want the absolute best performance and is willing to pay for it.
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horsecharles said:
Don't see XDA dedicated forum for it.
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Actually there's the one:
OnePlus 11R (Ace 2)
The OnePlus 11R (Ace 2) is a 6.74" device, with a 120Hz 1240x2772 AMOLED display. It's powered by a Qualcomm Snapdragon 8+ Gen 1, which is paired with either 256/12GB, 256/16GB or 512/16GB of internal storage and RAM. It features a 50/8/2MP main camera setup, with a 16MP selfie camera. The...
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