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Galaxy S III with Tmobile, stock ROM, android 4.1.2.
With wifi off, GPS off, auto sync off and mobile data off (so basically I just keep the phone function on), the battery drop 7% over night without any usage. I think there is too much, right? attached are sceenshot of battery usage and also wakelock dection. Could anyone give me some advice on how to save more battery? wakelock shows wechat app had most of the wakelock but I am not sure if this contribute to the battery since it shows 5% in battery stats.
Thank you.
PS: don't know how to arrange screenshot, the first and third one is for battery stats, the second one is from wakelock dectection
henry8668 said:
Galaxy S III with Tmobile, stock ROM, android 4.1.2.
With wifi off, GPS off, auto sync off and mobile data off (so basically I just keep the phone function on), the battery drop 7% over night without any usage. I think there is too much, right? attached are sceenshot of battery usage and also wakelock dection. Could anyone give me some advice on how to save more battery? wakelock shows wechat app had most of the wakelock but I am not sure if this contribute to the battery since it shows 5% in battery stats.
Thank you.
PS: don't know how to arrange screenshot, the first and third one is for battery stats, the second one is from wakelock dectection
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Your signal is crap. Turn WiFi back on and leave it connected to a network.
Delete carrier iq. Need to be rooted to do it. Are you?
WeChat is a problem that needs to be dealt with. I suspect WiFi will fix it.
All of what he said, plus, read woody's battery thread. It's linked in the sticky roll up.
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Aerowinder said:
Your signal is crap. Turn WiFi back on and leave it connected to a network.
Delete carrier iq. Need to be rooted to do it. Are you?
WeChat is a problem that needs to be dealt with. I suspect WiFi will fix it.
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Yes, tmobile signal is pretty bad. How do you tell it? is the cell standby too high percentage? I will try keep wifi on and see any difference.
Not root yet, is there a list of carrier(tmobile) apps that can be safely deleted/disabled?
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All of what he said, plus, read woody's battery thread. It's linked in the sticky roll up.
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Yes, I have that on my bookmark and will follow it http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1969741.
henry8668 said:
Not root yet, is there a list of carrier(tmobile) apps that can be safely deleted/disabled?
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Once you are rooted, assuming you want to do that, first make a nandroid. Then run my_debloater from my signature. Will remove all the T-Mobile/Samsung apps.
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Once you are rooted, assuming you want to do that, first make a nandroid. Then run my_debloater from my signature. Will remove all the T-Mobile/Samsung apps.
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My is SGH-T999L, so I probably will be following docHolidy77's post for rooting: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2370981
when you say "make a nandroid", is it same as "BACKUP YOUR NV-DATA" in second post of the docHoliday77's thread? or something else?
Thanks
henry8668 said:
My is SGH-T999L, so I probably will be following docHolidy77's post for rooting: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2370981
when you say "make a nandroid", is it same as "BACKUP YOUR NV-DATA" in second post of the docHoliday77's thread? or something else?
Thanks
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Nandroid is the backup through recovery. These are not the same thing, but you absolutely need to do them both. Immediately. It's a 10 second operation that can save you hours of time later.
maybe it's just me, but 1% loss per hour doesn't seem too bad.
nsxalwayz said:
maybe it's just me, but 1% loss per hour doesn't seem too bad.
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It's not good.
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It's not good.
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oh. good to know since i lose about 1% an hour overnight as well. I'm already running Dandroid rom, so will running your debloater in your sig help? And I just flash the zip file with TWRP right? Thanks
nsxalwayz said:
oh. good to know since i lose about 1% an hour overnight as well. I'm already running Dandroid rom, so will running your debloater in your sig help? And I just flash the zip file with TWRP right? Thanks
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My guess is probably not as most custom roms have already been debloated.
Keep in mind too, as your battery ages, it's performance will decrease, so on a 1.5 year old battery, a 1% an hour drain really isn't too bad imo. you might be able to make it better, but it's up to you if you want to.put the time into trying.
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nsxalwayz said:
oh. good to know since i lose about 1% an hour overnight as well. I'm already running Dandroid rom, so will running your debloater in your sig help? And I just flash the zip file with TWRP right? Thanks
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It might, but I'd rather see an idle BBS log from you.
charged, reboot and turn on wifi before I went to bed last night. It did change some of metric, however it still dropped 8% from 98% to 90%...
My battery is about 3 months old, any suggestion what else to do to find out which app/process is consuming most of the battery?
henry8668 said:
charged, reboot and turn on wifi before I went to bed last night. It did change some of metric, however it still dropped 8% from 98% to 90%...
My battery is about 3 months old, any suggestion what else to do to find out which app/process is consuming most of the battery?
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Looking at your screenies, what I can tell right off is that many of your apps are polling constantly.
Android OS or System (I can't remember which atm) is probably your location settings broadcasting. Go into Settings>Location and also Google App Settings>Location and see what your location is set at.
HD Widgets is polling your location to do the weather, which is understandable, but see if you can change the refresh rate to further out (maybe every hour or so).
Carrier IQ and VisualVoicemail are only able to be disabled via Root. Once you get Root, then you can disable those (either freeze in Titanium Backup or pull the app out of /system/app or use Aerowinder's debloater).
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Looking at your screenies, what I can tell right off is that many of your apps are polling constantly.
Android OS or System (I can't remember which atm) is probably your location settings broadcasting. Go into Settings>Location and also Google App Settings>Location and see what your location is set at.
HD Widgets is polling your location to do the weather, which is understandable, but see if you can change the refresh rate to further out (maybe every hour or so).
Carrier IQ and VisualVoicemail are only able to be disabled via Root. Once you get Root, then you can disable those (either freeze in Titanium Backup or pull the app out of /system/app or use Aerowinder's debloater).
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polling apps: from wakelock, carrier IQ and visualvoicemail are the two that in the top, could be ones that using most of battery? wechat(x252) and weibo(x149) have high number but very short in time, do they have big impact on battery drop?
Location service is checked on all three items. I will turn it off to see the impact. I have to remember turn on before using gmap and turn it off after close gmap.
HD widges, already set the location to my home, not using 'detect current location'. fresh rate is 1 hour. I will turn on those battery saving features(don't update when screen off)
thanks.
henry8668 said:
polling apps: from wakelock, carrier IQ and visualvoicemail are the two that in the top, could be ones that using most of battery? wechat(x252) and weibo(x149) have high number but very short in time, do they have big impact on battery drop?
Location service is checked on all three items. I will turn it off to see the impact. I have to remember turn on before using gmap and turn it off after close gmap.
HD widges, already set the location to my home, not using 'detect current location'. fresh rate is 1 hour. I will turn on those battery saving features(don't update when screen off)
thanks.
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I understand why people like WLD, but I really need to see a BetterBatteryStats log to fully understand what's happening. But you need root, carrier iq is pretty much spyware.
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I understand why people like WLD, but I really need to see a BetterBatteryStats log to fully understand what's happening. But you need root, carrier iq is pretty much spyware.
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I am getting BetterBatteryStats... that thread is scary to read, over 1950+ pages!
henry8668 said:
I am getting BetterBatteryStats... that thread is scary to read, over 1950+ pages!
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Post your logs here and I'll have a look. 4+ hours idle time, little or no usage. During the night is best.
henry8668 said:
... that thread is scary to read, over 1950+ pages!
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If you are going to try and read that, then see you next week, hahaha.
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Best thing to do is what Aerowinder said above and let it sit idle for 4+ hours or overnight with BBB running.
Then what we want to see are screen shots of:
Since Unplugged/Processes
Since Unplugged/ Wakelocks
Since Unplugged/Partial Wakelocks.
My superfecta is CarrierIQ ftw, Android OS (location) for Place, WeChat for Show and Sync services (calendar, g/email) for 4th.
One thing that I do like is that I do not see any FB, G+ or Twitter in your screenies. Those three suck (literally) on battery.
Hi
I have received the Find 7a . Tho only issue I have with that is the huge battery drain when off ( even with data and wifi off )
Therefore I want to create a thread where we can share the solutions for this battery drain issue.
PS: I am running ColorOS 2.0 beta
cheers
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I dont understand why people keep complaining about the battery. I use my 7a a lot and the battery lasts me just fine and I have Wi-Fi and GPS always on.
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It's a known issue, I'm actually in a pilot group with a product manager and developer using a new firmware based on 1.2 that seems to help.
In the meantime, change the lockscreen from Colorlock as that has been known to hold a wakelock and disable Google's location services.
After I did that on 1.2 or 2.0 beta my drain shot down to .5%/hr.
I too am part of said pilot group that Sean mentioned and can confirm that a more battery saving firmware is in the works.
Give oppo some time to work the issue out, it's starting to look better.
MrColdbird said:
I too am part of said pilot group that Sean mentioned and can confirm that a more battery saving firmware is in the works.
Give oppo some time to work the issue out, it's starting to look better.
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how would one get in on this testing ?
barraclough0205 said:
how would one get in on this testing ?
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Head over to oppoforums.com and message Addel or Zeus and they will add you to the conversation.
seanpr123 said:
It's a known issue, I'm actually in a pilot group with a product manager and developer using a new firmware based on 1.2 that seems to help.
In the meantime, change the lockscreen from Colorlock as that has been known to hold a wakelock and disable Google's location services.
After I did that on 1.2 or 2.0 beta my drain shot down to .5%/hr.
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yep, that do the trick. Also I rooted, and froze some crappy apps like Oppo Launcher ..etc. Fully charged before bed time, and I woke up still 100%
thank you !
marianoitalianoo said:
yep, that do the trick. Also I rooted, and froze some crappy apps like Oppo Launcher ..etc. Fully charged before bed time, and I woke up still 100%
thank you !
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Did you froze those apps using Titanium Backup? Or how did you do it?
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betold said:
Did you froze those apps using Titanium Backup? Or how did you do it?
Thanks!
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Freezing applications/disabling them is basically the same as removing them, except that they still take up space on the system. You can freeze applications using Titanium Backup as you said and if you have root of course. If you want to completely remove the applications you should get a file explorer that can request root permissions, then look for the applications you want to remove, these can usually be found in "/system/app/" or "/system/priv-app/". You can also remove them using adb, this is a little more complicated though, if you want to do it this way I'd recommend you to Google it. Be careful when removing files from the system though, as you may run into some weird situations, you can always make a backup of course. (when restoring back-upped files, remember to set the correct permissions)
enabling google location services do not have impact on standby battery drain, seems changing the lock screen and freezing default launcher (I use Nova) helped
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marianoitalianoo said:
enabling google location services do not have impact on standby battery drain, seems changing the lock screen and freezing default launcher (I use Nova) helped
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Changing to lock screen to what style will save battery drain?
Any one but the default
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migueldias94 said:
I dont understand why people keep complaining about the battery. I use my 7a a lot and the battery lasts me just fine and I have Wi-Fi and GPS always on.
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Because you are not affected?
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I am not seeing any battery drain here. I am still running v1.2.0i and not rooted. I have the password lockscreen and overnight I turn off WiFi and Data and I lose 3% in 8hrs. Pretty good I would say.
GibMcFragger said:
Any one but the default
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And... which one is the default?
AngryHapposai said:
And... which one is the default?
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default is the ColorLock
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marianoitalianoo said:
default is the ColorLock
cheers
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ColorLock? There is no such entry in the screenlock settings...
AngryHapposai said:
ColorLock? There is no such entry in the screenlock settings...
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Theme->Personalize->Screen Lock->Local screenlock
I'm on 2.0 beta, changing that to Revolving lock and disabling Google's location services (gimps the phone a bit sure but easy to enable and gps is still fine) and my drain is down to .6%/hr. Not too shabby, and will be testing tonight with location back on.
have been using the find 7a for nearly a week now. all i can say is...be patient, people! the first 2 days i had it, the battery drain is unbearable(8~12hr use and it's gone), but after 3~4 full cycle charged (start charging when below 10% then fully charged using 'battery doctor'), from the 4th day, the battery is amazing, easily get past 24 hours of use with data and wifi always on, screen on time 3 hours+ no problem. my current used time: 34 hr 26 m, with screen on 2 hr 7m, battery still 33%. Google location service is on all the time, Google now is off all the time. GPS off most of the time. running color OS 2.0 beta.
so be patient and charge your battery for few full cycles.
i hope this may help you guys.
Even Oppo has publicly stated the massive battery drain is a known issue affecting all Find 7a phones sold to date so I'm thinking denying there is an issue is a bit silly at this point. Also 2 hours screen time with 33% remaining is a terrible performance that sits at approximately half of what this phones current competition is offering.
Having has this from day one I would also point out that one of the problems associated with this is the inconsistency. I normally will see around 15 percent drain overnight but occasionally its as little as 5 or as high as 70. The problematic part comes in when you figure I've spent most nights testing some new scheme to see if I've made any improvements to the standy life.
Nor do I think its a good idea to accept excuses. On my N5 I never turned anything off, bluetooth, wifi, google now, location, etc. All on all the time and never had a problem getting 4 hours of screen time and never used more than 5% over night. That would of course make it nothing special since I haven't owned a phone since back somewhere around the sgs2 that couldn't do the same thing and there have been lots of phones between here and there. You shouldn't have to turn the phones features off to get the phone to work, being forced to means you are getting a sub industry standard experience. Calling it anything else is a lie.
Been poking around here and reading all the posts that people had mentioning battery life on stock/cm11. Is battery life really that good? I find myself trying everything possible (including hardly using the device, turning brightness all the way down, turning off bluetooth & Dynamic perspective) and I find that my phone is dropping like a brick. I can have the phone lose %s in front of me just having the screen open for a few minutes doing nothing else.
I even have two apps to optimize/kill all other apps and I'm finding that this phone is dying faster than a t-mobile pre paid LG L90 I was using prior. I just don't see how people with stock and all the features on are getting more than 5 hours battery life tops. This phone dies while you use it on the charger, which is a first from any phone I've ever used.
How do your experiences stack up? Do I just have a bad unit? Really considering going to cm11 now (really wanted to like Fire OS).
You must have something wrong with the phone. I have had Samsung S3's and S4's and the Fire is far and away the best I have experienced for battery life. I am getting close on two days on a full charge although I do not use it a great deal for voice calls.
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You must have something wrong with the phone. I have had Samsung S3's and S4's and the Fire is far and away the best I have experienced for battery life. I am getting close on two days on a full charge although I do not use it a great deal for voice calls.
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Are you keeping Dynamic perspective off with a low brightness instead of auto? Don't see how two days is possible unless you absolutely never used the device. I can lose like 10% an hour just on the browser reading text sites.
Fire has the best battery life of any android phone I've owned. I'm on fire os with a different launcher and I have dynamic perspective on (not for home screen obviously). I'm also using auto brightness. I'm rooted with gapps installed. I get great standby time and even in use its good. You should get gsam battery monitor and see what's going on, although I think you might have a broke unit.
Here is a picture from Gsam (I don't have my phone rooted). I think this is pretty bad for only 3:28hrs of screen on time and that was with the screen at the lowest brightness, not on auto. For app usage I have 7% coming from a game I was playing, but the rest of the drain is coming from system and kernel. Would really like to see another users stats with similar screen on time, as I'm pretty sure I could completely kill this phone's battery in 4-5 hours just using silk browser on Reddit.
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Ztcc said:
Here is a picture from Gsam (I don't have my phone rooted). I think this is pretty bad for only 3:28hrs of screen on time and that was with the screen at the lowest brightness, not on auto. For app usage I have 7% coming from a game I was playing, but the rest of the drain is coming from system and kernel. Would really like to see another users stats with similar screen on time, as I'm pretty sure I could completely kill this phone's battery in 4-5 hours just using silk browser on Reddit.
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Can you check the kernel wake lock section of the same app?
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Can you check the kernel wake lock section of the same app?
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On the off chance that you or anyone else can help me understand what's going on I ran a ~10% drain test and made a picture including information from WakeLock Detector and GSam. This drain seems very bad considering the screen was only on for a total of 16 minutes and I lost 8% power.
imgur.com/YbgFfmA
Ztcc said:
On the off chance that you or anyone else can help me understand what's going on I ran a ~10% drain test and made a picture including information from WakeLock Detector and GSam. This drain seems very bad considering the screen was only on for a total of 16 minutes and I lost 8% power.
imgur.com/YbgFfmA
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Your phone isn't going into deep sleep. It's hard to determine exactly what's going on there but if you download kernel adiutor (yes, that's the spelling) you'll see its locked at 300mhz most of the time. I know it sounds crazy but have you rebooted? That can often sort out a misbehaving app. Are you rooted? If so deploy greenify.
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Your phone isn't going into deep sleep. It's hard to determine exactly what's going on there but if you download kernel adiutor (yes, that's the spelling) you'll see its locked at 300mhz most of the time. I know it sounds crazy but have you rebooted? That can often sort out a misbehaving app. Are you rooted? If so deploy greenify.
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I am rooted. That screenshot was with using greenify :[
I will get that kernel app.
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Your phone isn't going into deep sleep. It's hard to determine exactly what's going on there but if you download kernel adiutor (yes, that's the spelling) you'll see its locked at 300mhz most of the time. I know it sounds crazy but have you rebooted? That can often sort out a misbehaving app. Are you rooted? If so deploy greenify.
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Do you have any recommended settings for that app? I disabled something that I think is allowing me to enter deep sleep more, but I have to finish testing. Thanks for the help ratbags!
Oh I see what's the wrong.
Battery usage give me a wrong information.
My fire phone lasting about 5hrs turning on screen.
Very very good !!
Thank you.:good::good:
Five hours is good??
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Five hours is good??
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5 hours of "screen on time" is solid, the combined time incl. standby, etc. is of course much longer. He didn't know how to interpret the statistics from the device, it was a misunderstanding.
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Do you have any recommended settings for that app? I disabled something that I think is allowing me to enter deep sleep more, but I have to finish testing. Thanks for the help ratbags!
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That kernel app won't help battery life but it will show you how long you spend in deep sleep.
As for greenify, you should greenify all the Google apps. I actually greenify everything except sms app, browser, phone and alarm apps.
Also, this could possibly be some kind of location based frippery. Turn location services off or onto battery saving mode if only temporarily. And turn off auto sync if it's on.
Is it possible to make some kind of app or similar thing that would allow screen lock light fot notifications to be always on?
You can try this https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tomer.alwayson
In the lockscreen? If not try Caffeine
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Is it possible to make some kind of app or similar thing that would allow screen lock light fot notifications to be always on?
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You can try this https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tomer.alwayson
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Well, there are some apps, but the problem is that they are not kernel related, so even if the screen doesn't consume that much because it's AMOLED, you'll notice an HUGE battery drain, because the phone should never go into deep sleep. Moreover if you keep the same pixels on for a long time, you'll burn them.
LuckyNuke1310 said:
Well, there are some apps, but the problem is that they are not kernel related, so even if the screen doesn't consume that much because it's AMOLED, you'll notice an HUGE battery drain, because the phone should never go into deep sleep. Moreover if you keep the same pixels on for a long time, you'll burn them.
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Yes i'm aware of that, i installed upper app and it's working fine, we'll see how it's behave
GocaS6 said:
Yes i'm aware of that, i installed upper app and it's working fine, we'll see how it's behave
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How was your experience using the app? I'm planning on getting the OP3T and would love it if it has AOD.
You might get 4 percent drain for a full 24 hours. I used an always on display app from the play store on my axon.. Definitely acceptable for the amount of time it's on.
My 10 now is starting to drain battery real quick without doing anything. No unusual apps draining much. I used battery tester in the secret testing menu thing and it said my battery is fine but I don't think it is. Any app or something to test battery or any way to test if it's rom related?
Ndaoud360 said:
My 10 now is starting to drain battery real quick without doing anything. No unusual apps draining much. I used battery tester in the secret testing menu thing and it said my battery is fine but I don't think it is. Any app or something to test battery or any way to test if it's rom related?
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Installing GSam battery monitor from the Play store would be a good start. You can monitor wakelocks and app usage, which can help diagnose your issue. How long does your battery usually last after a full charge, and what kind of screen on time are you getting? Also, does the phone ever get warm while you're using it?
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Installing GSam battery monitor from the Play store would be a good start. You can monitor wakelocks and app usage, which can help diagnose your issue. How long does your battery usually last after a full charge, and what kind of screen on time are you getting? Also, does the phone ever get warm while you're using it?
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Not sure how to read gsam battery logs but here is a screenshot and phone does not get hot. With not much use, I only get from 10am to around 2 to 3pm which is not normal for me.
Ndaoud360 said:
Not sure how to read gsam battery logs but here is a screenshot and phone does not get hot. With not much use, I only get from 10am to around 2 to 3pm which is not normal for me.
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From the main screen, you should have 4 icons at either the top or bottom of the screen. The second icon from the left brings up the app usage screen, and there is a drop-down menu at the top so you can view different things, like kernel wakelocks, etc.
OK I see but what am I exactly looking for? Wake locks? Not sure what's good and what's bad in terms of %s and what not
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OK I see but what am I exactly looking for? Wake locks? Not sure what's good and what's bad in terms of %s and what not
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Like I said, charge your battery up to full. After a few hours off the charger, post screenshots of the main screen, app usage screen and kernel wakelock screen.
Also, press the triangle icon on the main screen and make sure "Since Last Full Charge" is selected.
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Like I said, charge your battery up to full. After a few hours off the charger, post screenshots of the main screen, app usage screen and kernel wakelock screen.
Also, press the triangle icon on the main screen and make sure "Since Last Full Charge" is selected.
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OK I'll do that, thanks.
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OK I'll do that, thanks.
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Any updates?
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Any updates?
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Just did it. Here are the screenshots
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Just did it. Here are the screenshots
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I don't see anything out of the ordinary, but that doesn't mean there isn't an issue. There are a couple of things you can try. First, you can try and recalibrate your battery by turning the phone off and holding the power and both volume buttons down for approximately 2 minutes. The phone will cycle on and off a few times, which is normal. You can see how the phone works afterwards, and if that doesn't remedy it, I would RUU and start from scratch.
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I don't see anything out of the ordinary, but that doesn't mean there isn't an issue. There are a couple of things you can try. First, you can try and recalibrate your battery by turning the phone off and holding the power and both volume buttons down for approximately 2 minutes. The phone will cycle on and off a few times, which is normal. You can see how the phone works afterwards, and if that doesn't remedy it, I would RUU and start from scratch.
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Oh OK, I'll try that. Thanks