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Hello. Is it normal that there is lot of noise in photos taken with zoom, but only sometimes? Can you please take several same photos one by one in zoom 4x in low light conditions in auto mode? Do all images have the same amount of noise? Images from my phone sometimes are very noisy. They should look the same I think. Please take a look on below photos. There is big difference, but I don't see difference in photos taken without zoom. It looks like auto mode changes some settings very aggressively. :/
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Hello. Is it normal that there is lot of noise in photos taken with zoom, but only sometimes? Can you please take several same photos one by one in zoom 4x in low light conditions in auto mode? Do all images have the same amount of noise? Images from my phone sometimes are very noisy. They should look the same I think. Please take a look on below photos. There is big difference, but I don't see difference in photos taken without zoom. It looks like auto mode changes some settings very aggressively. :/
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Well, you took low-light shots and zoomed. The zoom is only digital and won't do anything. It's better to leave zooming and enlarge the area of preference later by a photo-editing program at your PC or laptop.
Keep in mind: High ISO + zooming = Noisy pictures. Keep your ISO as low as possible and like I said: Avoid zooming - at least in darkened areas.
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Well, you took low-light shots and zoomed. The zoom is only digital and won't do anything. It's better to leave zooming and enlarge the area of preference later by a photo-editing program at your PC or laptop.
Keep in mind: High ISO + zooming = Noisy pictures. Keep your ISO as low as possible and like I said: Avoid zooming - at least in darkened areas.
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Ok, but some images taken in the same conditions are noisy and other are not. It looks like noise reduction doesn't work sometimes at all. Is noise reduction working also in manual mode? I have always noise in this mode (in auto only sometimes).
In some cases, even the best noise-reduction can't help. It only would result in a blurry image at the very end. Like I said: Keep ISO as low as possible & yes: In manual-mode, this value can be fixed. The phone itself sets the automo-iso for each image at other modes & maybe checks a darker spot sometimes. The result is a noisier image.
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In some cases, even the best noise-reduction can't help. It only would result in a blurry image at the very end. Like I said: Keep ISO as low as possible & yes: In manual-mode, this value can be fixed. The phone itself sets the automo-iso for each image at other modes & maybe checks a darker spot sometimes. The result is a noisier image.
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Does noise reduction work also in manual mode? I can't get good results in manual mode in lowlight, because there is lot of noise in each iso/shutter speed settings. It seems like noise reduction doesn't work in manual mode.
kozakis01 said:
Does noise reduction work also in manual mode? I can't get good results in manual mode in lowlight, because there is lot of noise in each iso/shutter speed settings. It seems like noise reduction doesn't work in manual mode.
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In auto, lg G4 will activate night mode in low light condition,,you can check there's no iso value in that shots.
@faizalotai: Do this by yourself and view your photo with any EXIF editor or viewer. You'll see, the phone for sure changes ISO values in every, except manual mode.
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@faizalotai: Do this by yourself and view your photo with any EXIF editor or viewer. You'll see, the phone for sure changes ISO values in every, except manual mode.
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I figured out that around 1 from 10 photos is destroyed by noise. It doesn't has to be photo taken with zoom, but when I zoom in this photo there is lot of noise. Can you check yours G4?
I guess, I should link you to informations about sensors and ISO-values then . Get a look here: https://www.objc.io/issues/21-camera-and-photos/how-your-camera-works/
As they title said I tied to find out but am at a loss in trying to find out exactly what is happening when we use the HQ mode in the camera app.
In night scenes it seems to produce a better photo but the shutter speed is the same. One plus have not really said what they have changed since the HD to HQ update so wondered if anyone could let me know ? Is it an extra stop in exposure maybe ?
Just watch this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md3Ow6AEwLU
(HD recently got renamed to HQ)
Mine still says HQ
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jdawgg21 said:
Mine still says HQ
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It used to be hd then they changed it to hq
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Just watch this video:
(HD recently got renamed to HQ)
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Thanks for the video but it didn't really answer my question as it was only a comparison.
That video just compared the 2 options of HD (which has slightly changed since they renamed it to HQ) and HDR. It does not explain what kind of post processing happens apart from staying it used a de noise filter. I wonder what "exactly" is happening with exposure, contrast, saturation etc when you use this HQ mode ?
If anyone knows that would be really helpful.
Crap. I read it wrong. I thought it said HQ recently got changed to HD. And does anyone elses HQ lag like crazy?
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Crap. I read it wrong. I thought it said HQ recently got changed to HD. And does anyone elses HQ lag like crazy?
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Not suffering any lag on mine however I am not rooted and complete stock ? How about you ?
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Not suffering any lag on mine however I am not rooted and complete stock ? How about you ?
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Mine is rooted and running the Elemental Kernel. So I guess that's probably it.
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@jdawgg21 Nope, that's not it.
When using HQ in lowlight, it automatically reduces shutter-speed even more compared to the already lower speed in auto-mode.
Lower shutter-speed = lower framerate
1/30s = 30fps
1/10 (mostly when using HQ) = 10 fps
When others say they don't see the lag, it must only mean they did not test this in the same lighting conditions as you did.
It "lags" here too and so does it on every device which will use 1/10 or even lower shutter speed which shows you a real-time preview of what the image will approximately look like when taking the shot.
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@jdawgg21 Nope, that's not it.
When using HQ in lowlight, it automatically reduces shutter-speed even more compared to the already lower speed in auto-mode.
Lower shutter-speed = lower framerate
1/30s = 30fps
1/10 (mostly when using HQ) = 10 fps
When others say they don't see the lag, it must only mean they did not test this in the same lighting conditions as you did.
It "lags" here too and so does it on every device which will use 1/10 or even lower shutter speed which shows you a real-time preview of what the image will approximately look like when taking the shot.
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Finally a sensible answer. Thanks man. I had been asking around and Juan Bagnel said it's probably doing something like a dslr de noise function so what you said makes sense I have only used it indoors with artificial light so probably had no lag but so is what is displayed on the screen if it is leggy is representative of the shutter speed ?
I have heard from a Carl Pei interview that the camera is the reason for the phone having 6gb of ram because it snaps 4 photos at the same time we snap one photo. The phone then automatically chooses the best one photo of those four photos. I reckon that is also a probable answer due to the lag you are experiencing.
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I have heard from a Carl Pei interview that the camera is the reason for the phone having 6gb of ram because it snaps 4 photos at the same time we snap one photo. The phone then automatically chooses the best one photo of those four photos. I reckon that is also a probable answer due to the lag you are experiencing.
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No, this is not the answer for the "lag". Why doesn't it lag in good lighting then?
I already gave the correct explanation for this.
As an example: I don't know if you have experience with the OnePlus One. It also started lagging much heavier in lowlightconditions due to the low shutter-speed.
Eventually, Sultan released his modded camera hal which forced the camera to not go below 1/30s on the shutter-speed.
The result was a perfectly fluid viewfinder regardless of the lighting conditions.
I am only talking about the fluidity of the viewfinder here. (Shutter-speed and video-framerate is a whole different story not to be mixed-up here...)
I've seen this interview too,
but I don't agree with him that it takes the best of these 4, instead I think that it somehow combines them into one.
This often results in more blurry pictures, even in good lighting!
Check this video I did on this issue:
http://www108.zippyshare.com/v/KidtanPE/file.html
As you can already see in the video, all images were taken without HQ or HDR. You can clearly see this when taking a picture and quickly swiping to the gallery.
For an instant, you will see the unprocessed picture which quickly changes as processing is being applied! Sometimes to the worse though :/
This gets more pronounced the more the ISO level goes up on a shot.
I was holding my phone as steady as possible and you can see that the shots which are displayed first look sharp before postprocessing.
So how can this be explained when, as Carl says, "the camera takes the best out of 4 shots"?!?
I first thought that in HQ mode, the camera is doing Dynamic Denoise
Grainy pictures are a thing of the past with Dynamic De-noise, which takes several photos and compares them to reduce noise and improve clarity.
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However GSMA review says that the Denoise function gets activated automatically when there is minimum handshake and is not dependent on modes.
A few other things I have noticed.
1) On 3.1.x the noise suppression was very aggressive, almost like a water paint effect. On 3.2.x, the photos are more natural. Still less noise that normal mode.
2) The minimum shutter speed in HQ mode is 1/10 while without HQ it is 1/17
3) RAW is disabled in HDR as well as HQ modes. This makes me think that the HQ (like HDR) is using multiple snaps to filter noise that is Dynamic denoise. If you quickly switch image preview after clicking a pic, you can see the transition from normal to HQ happening. This is definitely not normal noise reduction.
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This makes me think that the HQ (like HDR) is using multiple snaps to filter noise that is Dynamic denoise. If you quickly switch image preview after clicking a pic, you can see the transition from normal to HQ happening. This is definitely not normal noise reduction.
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This is exactly what I said in my post right above yours and it even happens when HQ and HDR are disabled.
Check the linked video. I bet this is what you mean.
I hate this behavior, often faces are smoothed out because of this, even in perfect lighting conditions.
Hi, it seems the HQ mode does not generate RAW file, someone He checked?
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Hi, it seems the HQ mode does not generate RAW file, someone He checked?
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A raw file is a photographic negative without any processing applied to it.
So even when the app would generate a raw file in HQ mode,
it would not look any different than the raw file created with HQ disabled.
My best bet is that the app is saving its resources for the HQ postprcessing,
thus completely skipping the raw part intentionally.
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A raw file is a photographic negative without any processing applied to it.
So even when the app would generate a raw file in HQ mode,
it would not look any different than the raw file created with HQ disabled.
My best bet is that the app is saving its resources for the HQ postprcessing,
thus completely skipping the raw part intentionally.
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OK understand, thank you very much
Hi, is it possible with the 5X to shoot a clear moon that doesn´t look like a bright light bulb? Normally it should be possible with third party apps by setting the ISO very low and speed up the shutter speed. But when I had the 5X there have been issues f.e. with FV-5. The app often didn´t take a shot when I manually adjusted the shutter speed and I also noticed focusing problems. Maybe someone could test it. Thanks in advance!
Use Lightroom and take picture as RAW (DNG) format. Then edit it. It should be possible, 1/4 shutter speed can handle with that. Set the ISO whatever you like. Depends on perspective.
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Use Lightroom and take picture as RAW (DNG) format. Then edit it. It should be possible, 1/4 shutter speed can handle with that. Set the ISO whatever you like. Depends on perspective.
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Thanks. But isn´t it better to use faster shutter speeds to get details instead of an overexposed bulb? When shooting moon (or other light sources like that) with the S7 oder the HTC 10 I only get a picture with structures and details by using high shutter speeds.
presets said:
Thanks. But isn´t it better to use faster shutter speeds to get details instead of an overexposed bulb? When shooting moon (or other light sources like that) with the S7 oder the HTC 10 I only get a picture with structures and details by using high shutter speeds.
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Sure, that's true. You can always use thanks button instead of writing.
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The focal length is too small on mobile phones, you need a proper lens, otherwise the moon will look extremely tiny. But other than that even auto exposure should be able to handle if given that you are using a lens.
tauio111 said:
The focal length is too small on mobile phones, you need a proper lens, otherwise the moon will look extremely tiny. But other than that even auto exposure should be able to handle if given that you are using a lens.
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With a lens it should be much more easier. I was also able to get some shots with the S7 and HTC10 where you can identify the moon structure, the color and some details only by high shutter speed, low iso and some zooming. It´s not really crisp and really tiny, but still better than a totally overexposed object that looks like a bright spot.
In FV5 use spot metering and put the spot right on the moon. Default is matrix metering and that will always blow out the highlights.
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In the latest update sony seemed to add some camera updates besides that audio setting.
(50.1.A.13.83)
It seems there is more color after you take the picture.
Also when HDR is on (manual mode), it seems it only does a hdr photo whenever it's needed, for example when im just taking a photo of an object it takes a single photo and does no hdr but whenever the background is brighter than the foreground it takes 3 photos and then combines them.
Anyone else noticed it?
Yes ! I was about to ask, if it's just me or the camera takes much better low light photos now ?
Before it was just bumping ISO to 12800 in real low light conditions, and the photo quality was like well, 1/ISO
Now not even the used ISO level is lower, or at least not bumped so quickly, but even the Superior Auto mode used for low light produces more detailed photos. And plain "Night mode" photos are really nice now.
Now I really enjoy my Xperia's camera (which I really hated before, tbh...)
Really, really good job, SONY !!
Google Camera (all versions) running Pie OS has been very hit and miss in the focus problem, and therefore until a developer or OTA update can fix this issue, it is not recommended for pictures that matter. It is inconsistent as to when these issues occur. This being the case, if you are plagued with the Pie update, your camera performance results will not always be good.
After extensive testing with many hundreds of comparative photos taken with many camera apps this is the simple final conclusion:
Note that all these (except the stock app) require Camera2 API. Instructions elsewhere on this site.
For outdoor photos in bright light: Winner Stock A2 Lite camera app with the following settings:
Picture Quality:High, Contrast:Low, Saturation:High, Sharpness:High. These settings tend to take faster photos than HDR with similar results.
Note that all the camera apps work about the same in overall picture quality and only minor emphasis on color variations. While the google Cameras had a better saturation and warmer tone, the HDR artifacts in the sky make the photos only usable at lower screen resolutions. That limits your ability to crop or enlarge to bigger sizes. The stock camera did not exhibit these with HDR on.
For Indoor and low light: Winner in every test was the Pixel 2 camera app (GoogleCamera-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V8.2.apk) with HDR off or on depending on light levels. It produced sharp photos with surprisingly good clarity. The stock app was normally muddy and gcam 6+ was too grainy. As a bonus, the portrait mode zooms in (like the gcam 6+, which makes people look less distorted) and there is a motion video option (not tested yet) and lens blur that works better than the 2 lens system of the stock app, but the photos become only 5mp. Like the GCam 6+, HDR for solid color areas (like sky) had the same pattern. Haven't played with all the developer settings yet.
For ultra low light: Winner is the Google Camera 6 (MGC_6.1.013_MiMAX2_V1b_A8.1+fix_Hexagon_failed+blFront.apk) using the night sight feature found under More > Night. The idiosyncrasies of spontaneous app closure when a second shot is desired is annoying, however the results from their algorithm of image stacking is very well done. It also works well to create the smooth water motion for water falls and cascades, but only in dim light.
The gcam 5 app (GCamera_Mod_v.5.1.23_R5Plus_fix_crash.apk), that interestingly the pixel 2 app is based on, did not win in any category.
So I now have 3 camera apps to choose from depending on the photo required. Download an icon app to distinguish the 3 easily. I would imagine these results would be similar on other phones as well.
A note on HDR. None of the phone camera apps do HDR the way it is intended. In normal photography, HDR lightens areas in shadows and darkens blown out bright areas for a more usable photo by combining under exposed, properly exposed and overexposed images that are stacked and aligned. In all the camera apps tested, it makes little difference to shadows and even made shadows darker in the gcam HDR modes. What it does when needed is take multiple underexposed images (each at a faster exposure or lower ISO) and combine to increase (not decrease) contrast for a more vivid (but often artificial) contrast look, while better saturating colors and less noise for hand held images in low light. To do a proper HDR, you need to bracket the exposure and combine in photo shop (PS). There are phone apps that allow exposure bracketing and create the HDR in PS if you really want to get that involved. HDR+ only uses HDR when needed and HDR+ Enhanced the HDR is always on. When no HDR icon is visible, HDR is the HDR+ on when needed (auto mode).
I am currently running pie, and random focus issues have been surfacing for all the gcams. I read a comment that may be an issue with pie vs oreo, although not certain. It seems like Android One users are Google Beta testers. Pies battery life is much worse and no way to see what apps are causing the drain. I suspect it will get fixed in an update. Not for this forum though, there are already many out there for this issue. Main camera is set to Nexus 6P and Front camera a Nexus 5. I read elsewhere that this was optimal, but did not test if the others made any difference. The Nexus phones DO NOT use the same camera (sensor & Lens) on either the Front or Back camera so I am uncertain how much difference the setting actually makes. Most of the other settings were left as installed, although I am still testing to see if any improve the quality. Please chime in if you find any improvements and I will test and update this post. There is always room for improvements.
I would really welcome a more stable google camera build without the focus, night sight and HDR pattern issues. If someone has a line to the developer of these modded apps, please let them know.
Hi, thanks for sharing this. Do you have any specific settings for any of these apps? (Besides HDR)
Which gcam do you use for front selfies? On r5plus mod i get dank front selfies in good lighting but struggles so much on low light so much grain, noise and distortion. Or do you have any specific settings? Thanks
RyanHardy said:
Hi, thanks for sharing this. Do you have any specific settings for any of these apps? (Besides HDR)
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I will do some more experimentation and update the post when I finish. It is very time consuming for the developer settings do not have easy explanations as to what they do.
bon122728 said:
Which gcam do you use for front selfies? On r5plus mod i get dank front selfies in good lighting but struggles so much on low light so much grain, noise and distortion. Or do you have any specific settings? Thanks
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Pixel 2 for selfies, but HDR must be off for the photo to record. BTW, the flash works, but not sure it is any better then ambient light. Main issue is the 5mp front camera is a bit outdated. Lipstick on a pig is still a pig.
thanks and keep up the good work!
i think test results need to be explained a bit more detailed. for ex. oreo or pie based? you know, it's reported a lot that pie has gcams' losing focus issues (mostly with flash, blurry photos)
and yes, HDR and saturation (or maybe more) settings sharing would be better...
Hi rob1,
there are 6 GoogleCamera-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V8.2.apk in this link https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/.
which apk is that?
N6PbsgfixPortrait-GoogleCamera-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V8.2.apk
bsgfixPortrait-GoogleCamera-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V8.2.apk
bsgfix-GoogleCamera-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V8.2.apk
MI8_V1_N6_GoogleCamera-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V8.2.apk
OP6_N6_GoogleCamera-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V8.2.apk
Arnova's v8.2: GoogleCamera-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V8.2.apk
thanks!
dyobetem said:
Hi rob1,
there are 6 GoogleCamera-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V8.2.apk in this link https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/.
which apk is that?
N6PbsgfixPortrait-GoogleCamera-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V8.2.apk
bsgfixPortrait-GoogleCamera-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V8.2.apk
bsgfix-GoogleCamera-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V8.2.apk
MI8_V1_N6_GoogleCamera-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V8.2.apk
OP6_N6_GoogleCamera-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V8.2.apk
Arnova's v8.2: GoogleCamera-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V8.2.apk
thanks!
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Arnova's v8.2: GoogleCamera-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V8.2.apk (Arnova8G2, 2018-08-13, changelog)
Although I am not certain if it is the best. When visiting the rose parade floats, there were random times where focus was an issue. I will experiment further with other versions. Many of the apks that are not compatible will just not start up (black screen or return to home screen). It would be nice to find a more stable version.
I agree except for the stock camera For outdoor photos in bright light... textures are always "muddier" than gcam to me. It can have a more precise light sometimes but it's a price not worth to pay IMO. If someone doesn't want to be bothered I'd suggest to use only the google camera 6 in order to have at hand always the night mode, arnova is generally sharper but you need to fully zoom it to spot the difference... i noticed also that the night mode of camera 6 produces better results than arnova even in mid/low light scenes but not always and not for all the shots... smt i make two shots with arnova and camera 6 night mode and keep the best... pity that camera 6 doesn't allow to be started by double tapping on the power button though.
Are you running Pie or Oreo? Are you having intermittent focus issues with the gcams? Will night sight always allow a second night sight photo without restarting the camera app? Have you looked at a solid blue sky with HDR on any gcam, and is there a pattern there? Thank you.
BTW, all my tests I enlarged the photos to 100% pixel level and more in PS comparing many areas of the photo in unison.
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Are you running Pie or Oreo? Are you having intermittent focus issues with the gcams? Will night sight always allow a second night sight photo without restarting the camera app? Have you looked at a solid blue sky with HDR on any gcam, and is there a pattern there? Thank you.
BTW, all my tests I enlarged the photos to 100% pixel level and more in PS comparing many areas of the photo in unison.
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I'm running Pie, i do have some refocusing (but often it stops) but only in very low light condition. I didn't experience problems on second shots of night mode but smt it quits when i select night mode though. I do remember sometimes to see a pattern but only in night mode and in bright light I think. That was also a reason for not to use always the night mode btw... will do a shot on a deep blu sky when I'll see it but as far as I remember I didn't see this issue with arnova at least
I use one Gcam app called "Gcamera" is only in english and hdr front camera works..but is a older version of gcam and don't have a night mode photo etc, IMHO the best choice is for video on 60fps the xiaomi camera (in Pie update 60fps is enable) , for general video and photo gcam (a lot of optimization and hdr+) , and for selfies gcam with hdr off..waiting for it to work.
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I use one Gcam app called "Gcamera" is only in english and hdr front camera works..but is a older version of gcam and don't have a night mode photo etc, IMHO the best choice is for video on 60fps the xiaomi camera (in Pie update 60fps is enable) , for general video and photo gcam (a lot of optimization and hdr+) , and for selfies gcam with hdr off..waiting for it to work.
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I didn't test it toroughly but I had the impression the video to be more stabilized and better detailed with arnova than the stock one... moreover I can use H265 to encode it...
btw i do have focusing problems with gcam and pie...
At the moment, the only solution for focus Gcam problem, Is change 4:3 to 16:9 and restart the app...
? i'm always in 16:9 but when I switch it doesn't work anyway...
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? i'm always in 16:9 but when I switch it doesn't work anyway...
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Try to force close the app, after changing the size
it's just terrible any news for update gcam app to handle pie?
This developer's works great for me, no crashes on night sight so far and more customisable
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-backrider/
Just don't switch to the front camera and photobooth or you have to force stop the camera to be able to save images
Try the bulkin043 V8Y
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It is optimized for mi a2 but some said everything works except hdr on the front cam
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On ver 5r the development said he has fix the focus too.