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Am I the only one asking, why didn't Samsung include a 1850 mAh battery (like they did in the Galaxy SII Skyrocet) for the G.Nexus?
I mean, unless ICS is optimized to use very little juice (which people are telling me it's not really), I don't understand the decision to go with a smaller battery.
Engadget's review of the Galaxy SII Skyrocket says the 1850 mAh gives it impressive battery life. "Its 1,850mAh juicepack may play a huge role in keeping the phone powered on for a healthy period of time..." http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/11/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-skyrocket-review/
I know it's too early to tell, but I'm a bit worried about the battery life for the GN.
You really think an extra 100 mah is creating awesome battery life?
I invented cyberspace. You're trespassing.
read this http://www.product-reviews.net/2011...-battery-life-dreams-could-turn-into-reality/
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You really think an extra 100 mah is creating awesome battery life?
I invented cyberspace. You're trespassing.
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I don't know, but you make a good point. I'd love to see 2000+ mAh batteries offered.
AndroidandMe once wrote a decent op-ed about how battery technology needs to improve, that it can't solely rely on the software developer's end to make OSes drain less; this is only half of the solution. The other half needs to be batteries that can either last far longer, or charge far quicker.
It'd be exciting if battery technology was heading toward a "super quick charge" state, where one could plug it in for 10 minutes, and get a full charge.
I'm not seeing a lot of news on battery development, though. Or am I just missing the reports?
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read this http://www.product-reviews.net/2011...-battery-life-dreams-could-turn-into-reality/
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I think this is a good sign, though I'm skeptical. Don't get me wrong, I'm rooting for the GN to have awesome battery life. I'd love for some verification on the maxed out and full-LTE settings.
With no announcements about improved battery life on the HD SAMOLED, I don't expect it to have any significant improvements over the current screens. 5-6hrs is more realistic of "continuous" use. And some sites define "continuous" differently. Watching a movie probably won't use as much power as browsing websites on 4G networks.
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I'm not seeing a lot of news on battery development, though. Or am I just missing the reports?
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My cousin is doing her graduate work at Texas on this battery technology situation. They have made huge leaps and bounds over what we all get to play with outside of the lab, but it is so expensive that it will never see a market. I mean cool (read: expensive) stuff like super-cooled nano-tubes (super-cooled ceramics have almost no electrical resistance), microbial-perpetuated energy (small amount of energy in, small amount of energy trickled out over an appreciable amount of time), and increasing the capacity for inductive charging. I always feel like she is holding out on what technology is around the corner, but she has shown me some of their technical papers and there is no super secret mind-boggling technology around the corner, just "promise." Last I talked with her she was doing something with wavelengths and duration of energy over time (inductive charging). It's interesting but unless we want a couple million dollar devices, it isn't feasible (yet).
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It'd be exciting if battery technology was heading toward a "super quick charge" state, where one could plug it in for 10 minutes, and get a full charge.
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Talking to her, this is much more likely. In fact she says they have rapid charge technology (like < half an hour for a Prius battery), but it is both very expensive and unable to be mass produced. Although I feel like someone has advertised this at one of the auto trade shows or something, fairly recently. She mentioned this in terms of an inductive rapid charger that will charge your car when you pull into your garage or in powered parking garages, but she said it was at least ten years out. This is coming though...
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My cousin is doing her graduate work at Texas on this battery technology situation. They have made huge leaps and bounds over what we all get to play with outside of the lab, but it is so expensive that it will never see a market. I mean cool (read: expensive) stuff like super-cooled nano-tubes (super-cooled ceramics have almost no electrical resistance), microbial-perpetuated energy (small amount of energy in, small amount of energy trickled out over an appreciable amount of time), and increasing the capacity for inductive charging. I always feel like she is holding out on what technology is around the corner, but she has shown me some of their technical papers and there is no super secret mind-boggling technology around the corner, just "promise." Last I talked with her she was doing something with wavelengths and duration of energy over time (inductive charging). It's interesting but unless we want a couple million dollar devices, it isn't feasible (yet).
Talking to her, this is much more likely. In fact she says they have rapid charge technology (like < half an hour for a Prius battery), but it is both very expensive and unable to be mass produced. Although I feel like someone has advertised this at one of the auto trade shows or something, fairly recently. She mentioned this in terms of an inductive rapid charger that will charge your car when you pull into your garage or in powered parking garages, but she said it was at least ten years out. This is coming though...
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Very insightful. Thanks for sharing.
Does anyone know how much it is to produce a battery that has 2000+ mAh versus a battery that has 1700-1800 mAh?
Seriously tho, isnt battery life on all smartphones subpar, just saying.
Ive had bout every top smartphone dating back the SE-P800 and battery life comes up...every phone on xda has "battery life not good enough thread." Just plan on charging it everyday or take another battery with you and problem solved.
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wow.. my Desire HD lasts around 10 hours which I consider pretty bad and its only got a 1230 mAh battery, but then again we barely just got 4G in some cities here and I don't plan on using it so I guess that I can get at least a couple of hours with the more battery friendly screen.
at least I hope so.
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Seriously tho, isnt battery life on all smartphones subpar, just saying.
Ive had bout every top smartphone dating back the SE-P800 and battery life comes up...every phone on xda has "battery life not good enough thread." Just plan on charging it everyday or take another battery with you and problem solved.
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You're right to say most smartphones offer a day--more or less--of battery life, but some are better at it than others (e.g., look to the iPhone 4, not 4S), and it doesn't mean battery technology doesn't need to improve.
With how large screens are becoming, and with LTE/HSPA+ and just generally more data-usage, battery life needs to keep up as well.
Of course, there are alternative solutions in the mean time, but usually they are inconvenient. Charging it every night is a given to combat quick drainers, but sometimes when you're out for the whole day and night, it's worrisome to see your phone reach that danger area (15% or so), while knowing you still need it to make calls, use the GPS, etc. Also, carrying an extra battery can be a burdensome annoyance for some.
Also, despite all the features that are offered (ie. widgets, live wallpapers, live location tracking, 4G speeds, etc.), something feels amiss when you have to avoid using these, often touted, features in order to sustain battery longevity.
I understand what you're saying too. It is what it is. But it'd be great to see battery technology improve (and be affordable).
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You're right to say most smartphones offer a day--more or less--of battery life, but some are better at it than others (e.g., look to the iPhone 4, not 4S), and it doesn't mean battery technology doesn't need to improve.
With how large screens are becoming, and with LTE/HSPA+ and just generally more data-usage, battery life needs to keep up as well.
Of course, there are alternative solutions in the mean time, but usually it is inconvenient. Charging it every night is a given to combat quick drainers, but sometimes when you're out for the whole day and night, and it's worrisome to see your phone reach that danger area (15% or so), and you still need it to make calls, use the GPS, etc. Also, carrying an extra battery can be a burdensome annoyance for some.
Also, despite all the features that are offered (ie. widgets, live wallpapers, live location tracking, 4G speeds, etc.), something feels amiss when you have to avoid using these, often touted, features in order to sustain battery longevity.
I understand what you're saying too. It is what it is. But it'd be great to see battery technology improve (and be affordable).
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Processing power is increasing exponentially, energy density of matter is not. That's just a fact of life and there's nothing we can do about it.
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With no announcements about improved battery life on the HD SAMOLED, I don't expect it to have any significant improvements over the current screens. 5-6hrs is more realistic of "continuous" use. And some sites define "continuous" differently. Watching a movie probably won't use as much power as browsing websites on 4G networks.
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Maybe you should read the article.
*AND I QUOTE*
"By heavy usage, we’re talking about contsant 4G LTE data use, playing games, listening to music and so on" (copied and pasted from the article)
That pretty clearly explains what they mean by heavy usage. Sure, we're not getting exact figures of time spent doing each individual thing, but constant use of those things would kill *MY* phone in under 10 hours (Galaxy S II), so if the Galaxy Nexus can last just as long on LTE doing the same things? I'm down.
I never cared about battery life because I always carry extra power with me I've done it since the iphone 3G always, battery pack and an extension cable works for me, I won't change the battery on this because it would require removing case and disrupting the screen saver that I plan on putting on
case will be an AGF ballistics if it's compatible
i'm going with this >SAST Portable Rechargeable 4800mAh Emergency Power Battery w/ White Light LED/Adapters
shipped out 11/9
I'm covered
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Very insightful. Thanks for sharing.
Does anyone know how much it is to produce a battery that has 2000+ mAh versus a battery that has 1700-1800 mAh?
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About 10% more. And it'll be about 10% larger.
I'm not concerned with the battery life persay, as I think it will be pretty good comparatively. I am concerned with the battery life on LTE, as every LTE phone out there is simultaneously great speed and frustratingly battery killing with LTE on. Even on standby mode with lte enabled on my thunderbolt...drain, drain, drain. I can't wait for that to be improved, and I haven't heard anything indicating it will be any different for the GN on lte.
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Maybe you should read the article.
*AND I QUOTE*
"By heavy usage, we’re talking about contsant 4G LTE data use, playing games, listening to music and so on" (copied and pasted from the article)
That pretty clearly explains what they mean by heavy usage. Sure, we're not getting exact figures of time spent doing each individual thing, but constant use of those things would kill *MY* phone in under 10 hours (Galaxy S II), so if the Galaxy Nexus can last just as long on LTE doing the same things? I'm down.
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I did read the article, which is why I said continuous/constant usage for music playing vs playing games would have very different battery drainage.
Of course, if the claims are true, it would indeed be a marvelous improvement.
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I'm not concerned with the battery life persay, as I think it will be pretty good comparatively. I am concerned with the battery life on LTE, as every LTE phone out there is simultaneously great speed and frustratingly battery killing with LTE on. Even on standby mode with lte enabled on my thunderbolt...drain, drain, drain. I can't wait for that to be improved, and I haven't heard anything indicating it will be any different for the GN on lte.
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The second-gen integrated LTE radios should be a lot better in terms of lower juice consumption. Even more so when there doesn't need to be a second CDMA radio in the mix.
But the second-gen hardware won't appear in devices for about another year.
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Bit of an oxymoronic statement
I am hoping the pictures of the i515 battery posted in Samsung's accessory store are correct. *The words say that it is a 1750mah,*but If the picture of the i515 battery is correct on Samsung's site. That is NOT a 1750mah. It is a 2100mah battery. The picture shows 7.77Wh at 3.7v which calculates out to be 2099.999999... Or a 2100mah. The battery of the gsm model shown in Hong Kong is 6.48Wh at 3.7v calculates to 1750mah. Maybe it is the extended battery on Samsung's site. It is definitely for a galaxy phone cause it has the NFC wording on the back, and it is not for the Galaxy Note cause it comes with a 2500mah battery. Maybe this is how the galaxy nexus is doing so well on battery life in the latest battery reports. Hope the Verizon i515 comes standard with a 2100mah.
Source https://www.chinamobilemag.de/news/oneplus-3-akku-kapazitaet-gefallen.html
Seems legit, it's an empirical evidence ...so oneplus ****ed us again??
Someone check pls with a different usb powermeter and with a custom rom
Thread title is a bit harsh. Thats not proven yet.
They tested over months with several devices but not a single time with a custom rom and kernel?
This already sounds a bit strange. This should have been the first thing to test if they want a serious proof.
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Thread title is a bit harsh. Thats not proven yet.
They tested over months with several devices but not a single time with a custom rom and kernel?
This already sounds a bit strange. This should have been the first thing to test if they want a serious proof.
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I can confirm the OP.
Same "issue" here on my OP3with a custom rom & kernel.
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I can confirm the OP.
Same "issue" here on my OP3with a custom rom & kernel.
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You tried with powermeter?
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You tried with powermeter?
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AccuBattery and a powermeter between charger and phone.
Have yet to see any reputable site report on this, until then I'm going to assume this is sensationalizing
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Have yet to see any reputable site report on this, until then I'm going to assume this is sensationalizing
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@franciscofranco, @kairi_zeroblade, @dabug123, @flar2
Can anyone acknowledge or decline this?
That's pretty normal.. We ship a 3000mAh battery. Since we can not fully discharge a battery (since that would kill it) we do not get the full capacity.. I've had this on multiple phones nothing new..
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That's pretty normal.. We ship a 3000mAh battery. Since we can not fully discharge a battery (since that would kill it) we do not get the full capacity.. I've had this on multiple phones nothing new..
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Not necessarily, 18650 (li-ion) batteries like the Sony VTC4 that's rated at 2100mah can discharge its full 2100mah before being below 3.3V which is the limit. Despite being 4.35V in our phones, at 0% battery, the battery is at around 3.65V. To get the full mAh you would probably have to discharge it till 3.5V but that would reduce the quantity of charge cycles it would handle.
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Not necessarily, 18650 (li-ion) batteries like the Sony VTC4 that's rated at 2100mah can discharge its full 2100mah before being below 3.3V which is the limit. Despite being 4.35V in our phones, at 0% battery, the battery is at around 3.65V. To get the full mAh you would probably have to discharge it till 3.5V but that would reduce the quantity of charge cycles it would handle.
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Currently my 3 phones all discharge to 3.5V... That's around the point that you hit 0%. Now if you would discharge it to 3.3 wouldn't that littery kill the battery?? R
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Currently my 3 phones all discharge to 3.5V... That's around the point that you hit 0%. Now if you would discharge it to 3.3 wouldn't that littery kill the battery?? R
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Well the VTC4 is a 4.2V max li-ion so 3.3V is the limit.
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Well the VTC4 is a 4.2V max li-ion so 3.3V is the limit.
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I clearly don't know as much as you on batteries prob x). So what do you think? Is it normal? Did they do it on purpose?
If this is true, I don't care what reason, and I lost 500 mah in few months this is my last oneplus mobile
Prob had to do it so dash charge can do 30 minutes, if it was 3000mAh as claimed it may have taken 40 minutes and that's not as fast as 30 to 60 sounds, so I wouldn't doubt it, i don't feel I get 3000 mAh battery out of this phone, I still have to charge daily
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Prob had to do it so dash charge can do 30 minutes, if it was 3000mAh as claimed it may have taken 40 minutes and that's not as fast as 30 to 60 sounds, so I wouldn't doubt it, i don't feel I get 3000 mAh battery out of this phone, I still have to charge daily
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What do you expect... Its only 3000mAh on a high end soc. My mum lasts 4 days with 2-3hr SoT.
If this is true then xda or someone else must make it public and uncover this idiocy. I'll never ever buy a phone from them if that's true. Please xda or someone eligible make a public test to find out the truth behind this.
The Oneplus 3 was published in the same period as the Samsung Galaxy Note 7.
In my opinion, Oneplus was afraid that their batteries could eventually have the same problems as the Note 7, so they reduced the usable capacity of their batteries to 2500mAh by updating the kernel.
Maybe a kernel developer is able to find that piece of code.
Edit: That would also be a reason why they pushed the Oneplus 3T shortly after the Oneplus 3, hoping that the "small" amount of Oneplus 3 users wouldn't find out...
I'm not sure what think now
Yes, the manufacturer can modify the firmware to limit the PMIC to 2500mAh discharge only. This would probably save us quite a few cycles, not letting the battery dip below 3.5V.
What this means is that while we get a slightly lesser battery life (let's not forget, the lower the battery voltage, the faster the discharge, meaning the first 20% of your battery will last 2.5x longer than the last 20%!), at the price of prolonging the battery for about 20-25% longer. And this would mean you would need to charge 1.2 times more to diminish the effects of this change. So unless you started charging twice a day instead of once, from 0 to 100%, it should last longer on the long run, and last a bit less during the day.
OP not communicating this, however, is a big red flag.
Hello, I recently received a brand new U11 to test drive and I depleted it and my HTC 10 which I have owned for 15 months. I then use a USB meter and my HTC 10 only charged to 81% of what the U11 charged to.
81% of 3000mAh = 2430mAh
Just some fun facts for those of us who have used the phone for an extended period of time or what to expect if you plan on owning it for this length of time.
Sounds about right, this is why I really miss removable batteries
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Hello, I recently received a brand new U11 to test drive and I depleted it and my HTC 10 which I have owned for 15 months. I then use a USB meter and my HTC 10 only charged to 81% of what the U11 charged to.
81% of 3000mAh = 2430mAh
Just some fun facts for those of us who have used the phone for an extended period of time or what to expect if you plan on owning it for this length of time.
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Though this is a shame, I'm afraid that it's nothing special
Becuse of the QC3.0 , no body should use it unless if he in harry
@RogerF81 I agree its nothing special in my results; batteries are supposed to degrade overtime. It just using a device with 2430mAh is VERY noticeable.
Imagine buying a high end spec device with only 2430mAh. lol
There you go....
https://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/help/whats-current-battery-capacity-t3538773
And jup... last thing i read Battery Capacity is about 85% after 600 charging Cycles.
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There you go....
https://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/help/whats-current-battery-capacity-t3538773
And jup... last thing i read Battery Capacity is about 85% after 600 charging Cycles.
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When I do your test, I get Full charge: 3049000, does that mean it's 100 % (I don't have a USB meter) ? I have owned my HTC 10 for about 13 months.
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Nope, that tests implies you never reset your phone and never erased battery stats, which most people on XDA have every time they flash a new ROM. You are probably near the 80-85% capacity mark.
Can you please try accubattery app to see how it's results compare to your more rigorous method. Accubattery states my capacity is 76% or 2277mAh. However it states it will get more accurate over charging cycles. I've had the phone since release day. Now switched off fast charge!
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Nope, that tests implies you never reset your phone and never erased battery stats, which most people on XDA have every time they flash a new ROM. You are probably near the 80-85% capacity mark.
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But I did wipe battery stats several times at least (read somewhere it makes no difference) and flashed a RUU (reset) before nougat upgrade..
Accubattery also shows 100 % battery health based on 15 charging sessions
The battery life is atrocious even when new. I am afraid.
Using Accubattery I have an estimated 83% battery capacity, however this phone was replaced in February via Uh-Uh coverage. I broke the screen in my original phone and they gave me a replacement unit (To me it seems this was the case since the exterior was flawless again and I was given a phone with a new IMEI). It has been 6 months and I don't think I am such a heavy user to have degraded the battery that fast, does anybody think this might be resolved by taking the phone back for warranty? I even wonder if it is possible at this point :/ (My original 10 was bought may 2016 practically at launch) Thanks!
Really hoping LG V30/G7 has a removable battery
This is from my old M8, not sure how to read this and what level 2 health means.
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This is from my old M8, not sure how to read this and what level 2 health means.
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As per Android website 2 means Good.
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As per Android website 2 means Good.
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That's pretty good for an old device. Probably cause it's before the quick charge tech
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Good would just mean the battery is functioning. You could only have 50 percent of your cells left and it would still say "Good".
@gsw5700
I used AccuBattery and got 80% or 2,397mAh for estimated capacity, so my previous math was correct.
Damn! So accuBattery is correct, next phone needs to have removable battery, if there is such a thing sigh
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http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
never do a full charge or discharge....
hold it between 20 and 80 then u got a good battery health... mine is 2644mah(accubattery)
my 10 is from 06.16
@gsw5700
I have purchased a battery replacement and will update this post when I successfully replace it next week.
@BitsnPiecez
I have heard of doing something like this before, and obviously you're degradation is smaller than mine by a bit. But that is just another extra several steps to take. Forcing myself to check the phone to see if it charged to 80% is a pain and then on many days I dont know how much i will use my phone, so charging it to 80% defeats the purpose of a larger battery. Hopefully once I replace my battery I can go another year without any major battery issues.
Suggest Quick Charger for Redmi note 7
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Suggest Quick Charger for Redmi note 7
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In India, buying mi quick charger 3.0 is the wisest choice. I bought it with redmi note 7 @ Rs. 450 from Mi home. It's not the fastest, but surely saves around 1 hr for charging than the stock charger.
The faster you charge your phone the more heat it'll produce. Be careful and follow the guidelines since it could harm your device otherwise
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the charger that is included on RN7 Pro China is 18watts quick charger 3.0.. so look for something like this.. I haven't found QuickCharge 4.0 charger around me yet...
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The faster you charge your phone the more heat it'll produce. Be careful and follow the guidelines since it could harm your device otherwise
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maximum watts suggested by xiaomi for RN7 / Pro is 18 watts.. so your phone is still safe with this chargers.. (but look for the original product just to be safe)
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the charger that is included on RN7 Pro China is 18watts quick charger 3.0.. so look for something like this.. I haven't found QuickCharge 4.0 charger around me yet...
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maximum watts suggested by xiaomi for RN7 / Pro is 18 watts.. so your phone is still safe with this chargers.. (but look for the original product just to be safe)
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I have home 24W QC3.0 charger, I will test it if it works!
Probably is also important type of USB cable.
Use mi qc 3.0 charger
Using mi qc 3.0 charger, works well
What about this one?
https://www.gearbest.com/chargers-cables/pp_009664077039.html?wid=1349303
looks like gearbest propose it in a bundle with the Redmi Note 7.
https://www.gearbest.com/cell-phones/pp_009575346063.html?wid=1349303#goodsDetail
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for redmi note 7 any higher voltages over 4.4V can't do any good - it shrinks for sure the lifetime span best scenario at half so my advice is to keep up using the standard charger which is very healthy for your 4000mAh battery. Also when charging try not to get it full 100%, so you'll have after 3 years of use a battery as new as you bought it - of course no company or company service would agree with me, they need you buying a new phone as soon as possible - the truth is that used cautiously batteries are able to work at maximum capacity about over 600 discharge cycles
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Using mi qc 3.0 charger, works well
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1)is your mobile heating?, please mention temperature after charging upto 1 hour
2)how much time does it takes to charge say from 20% to 80%
3)you can use Accu battery (android app) for battery temperature and charging speed
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for redmi note 7 any higher voltages over 4.4V can't do any good - it shrinks for sure the lifetime span best scenario at half so my advice is to keep up using the standard charger which is very healthy for your 4000mAh battery. Also when charging try not to get it full 100%, so you'll have after 3 years of use a battery as new as you bought it - of course no company or company service would agree with me, they need you buying a new phone as soon as possible - the truth is that used cautiously batteries are able to work at maximum capacity about over 600 discharge cycles
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Yeah, and using battery however you want you get 500 full cycles before battery goes down to like 80% capacity, which is still FINE. So difference is so little i will just enjoy my phone, instead of worrying about such things. Also who uses their phone more than 2 years?
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Yeah, and using battery however you want you get 500 full cycles before battery goes down to like 80% capacity, which is still FINE. So difference is so little i will just enjoy my phone, instead of worrying about such things. Also who uses their phone more than 2 years?
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I'm working in a field where drones are vital so I have to know a lot about Lithium battery
Your assumptions are correct but like 4 years ago, meanwhile things changed not in the best way
Worst step they made is overcharging - I bet you didn't know are actually overcharging, by increasing the load voltage from 4.2V to 4.4V they succeeded to push more in our battery... so that they stamp now 4000mAh where actually sits 3200mAh - the costs? it halves the life span or even worse. If you put over that "quick charge" suddenly your 500 cycles is a beautiful dream
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I'm working in a field where drones are vital so I have to know a lot about Lithium battery
Your assumptions are correct but like 4 years ago, meanwhile things changed not in the best way
Worst step they made is overcharging - I bet you didn't know are actually overcharging, by increasing the load voltage from 4.2V to 4.4V they succeeded to push more in our battery... so that they stamp now 4000mAh where actually sits 3200mAh - the costs? it halves the life span or even worse. If you put over that "quick charge" suddenly your 500 cycles is a beautiful dream
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Technology advances, ofcourse engineers trying to fit more energy in as small body as possible, thats only logical way. These "newer" batterys with max 4.4V have different structure to the more common 4.2V, they have extra materials like graphene helping them withstand it. Anyways, even nexus 5x which was released 4years ago, have such battery. And if you google it, you will find plenty of scientific tests newer than 4 years, showing same degradation, around 500 full cycles till you lose like 20%. So again, i dont see a reason to worry. Ill better enjoy my phone. Even if my battery is ruined after 2 years, hell, new one costs 10euros max, ill just swap it and keep using it whatever way i want. I mean, technically you are right, they do overcharge them, and mah does go down as voltage goes down, its not really 4000mah, but practically, its not worth all the trouble. Just enjoy your device.
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Technology advances, ofcourse engineers trying to fit more energy in as small body as possible, thats only logical way. These "newer" batterys with max 4.4V have different structure to the more common 4.2V, they have extra materials like graphene helping them withstand it. Anyways, even nexus 5x which was released 4years ago, have such battery. And if you google it, you will find plenty of scientific tests newer than 4 years, showing same degradation, around 500 full cycles till you lose like 20%. So again, i dont see a reason to worry. Ill better enjoy my phone. Even if my battery is ruined after 2 years, hell, new one costs 10euros max, ill just swap it and keep using it whatever way i want. I mean, technically you are right, they do overcharge them, and mah does go down as voltage goes down, its not really 4000mah, but practically, its not worth all the trouble. Just enjoy your device.
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update - it looks like RN7 4Ah xiaomi batteries wears out pretty fast, lot of users using quick charge (which in RN7 case makes charging faster with 15min or so) report that at less than a month the SOT decrease from 9+ hours to under 7 hours. It seems like that the profit margins made that so xiaomi puts in their phones batteries using old common technology. Most probably you're right but only when about flagships
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update - it looks like RN7 4Ah xiaomi batteries wears out pretty fast, lot of users using quick charge (which in RN7 case makes charging faster with 15min or so) report that at less than a month the SOT decrease from 9+ hours to under 7 hours. It seems like that the profit margins made that so xiaomi puts in their phones batteries using old common technology. Most probably you're right but only when about flagships
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Lol. If this was true whole internet would be full of complains, redmi is sold worldwide now, so believe me, european buyers wouldnt stay silent if battery degraded after a month. You would be reading articles in every smartphone news site, but thats not the case, so obviously thats not true, i dont know where you are finding this false information. Also, SOT is the dumbest thing to measure battery capacity, as it can be influenced by many factors. Check actual battery capacity in mah with app like Gsam or BBS.
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Lol. If this was true whole internet would be full of complains, redmi is sold worldwide now, so believe me, european buyers wouldnt stay silent if battery degraded after a month. You would be reading articles in every smartphone news site, but thats not the case, so obviously thats not true, i dont know where you are finding this false information. Also, SOT is the dumbest thing to measure battery capacity, as it can be influenced by many factors. Check actual battery capacity in mah with app like Gsam or BBS.
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Ah, got it now, you're that kind of "I chose to believe" from matrix guy... not going to disturb you anymore with false information about machine world :laugh:
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Ah, got it now, you're that kind of "I chose to believe" from matrix guy... not going to disturb you anymore with false information about machine world :laugh:
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Show me 1 source of your information and we can discuss. Now you just talk nonsense out of your head . I can also create false nonsense, watch.
Edit: Update, a lot of users are reporting that battery is completely fine after months of using quick charge 4. We are good to go. Lmao.
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Show me 1 source of your information and we can discuss. Now you just talk nonsense out of your head . I can also create false nonsense, watch.
Edit: Update, a lot of users are reporting that battery is completely fine after months of using quick charge 4. We are good to go. Lmao.
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I think i earned my trust on this forum so no one to put under doubt my words - before asking things develop yourself cracking/hacking tools having tens of thousands of downloads, so to speak becoming a real xda member, then come back and I will show you tones of proves (you're a google fan, right? yeeep, google doesn't help sometime)... 'til then farewell rookie!
update: checked for your own useful threads, didn't find any... you don't want to share from your vastly knowledge?
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I think i earned my trust on this forum so no one to put under doubt my words - before asking things develop yourself cracking/hacking tools having tens of thousands of downloads, so to speak becoming a real xda member, then come back and I will show you tones of proves (you're a google fan, right? yeeep, google doesn't help sometime)... 'til then farewell rookie!
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Haha, so standart. So many words, and zero proof or sources. Yeah, cya buddy. I dont have anything to prove because im talking facts. You on the other hand, are talking nonsense out of your ass. And when asked for proof, you write 5 lines of self promoting, how wonderful of a xda member you are, Lmaooo ?? ive been on xda since 2008, "rookie". Im mature enough to not believe every nonsense i see, unlike you it seems. Yeah, sure, battery is degraded in RN7 after 1 month use... Lmao, do you seriously believe this nonsense yourself? All these batterys are basically the same, and most of oems use quick charge 4 because it is LICENSED and SAFE technology. But yeah, you probably know better than thousands of engineers thinking otherwise ? because you created a cheap chinese smartwatch tool, that makes your opinion much more valid than the rest of the world, and you need no proof, your words are enough. Jeesus, some people live in dellusional world... Ever heard of tesla cars? They use same batteries as in laptops, smartphones etc. Difference being, they use much higher voltages and amperages than we do. Yet the batteries are fine. They even give 5 years warranty. So how do you explain that? Let me guess, you cant, because you talk nonsense out of your ass, and when asked for proof, you start bragging about your simple mtk tool which has nothing to do with this topic lmao.
conclusion: don't buy a quick charger for RN7
kabeza said:
conclusion: don't buy a quick charger for RN7
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Yes, if you believe telltales and grandma's fairytails. If you believe facts and scientific tests, you are free to use it, because there is absolutely no facts pointing otherwise.
Hi guys.. I'm thinking about buying this battery case for the mate 20X. It says it has a battery capacity of 6000 mah. Does this mean that this capacity is separate from the 5000 mah the phone has, so that I get a combined 11000 mah?
Has anyone here bought it? Is it worth buying?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Huawei-MATE-20-20-PRO-20-Lite-20X-Battery-Case-Power-Bank-Portable-Charger-Cover/193653945242
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Just some helpful advice from a recovered extended battery case addict. In the early days when phones didn't have quick charge and we're about 25-50% smaller, I always bought my phones based on the support of manufacturers making extended battery cases for it. As the phone market matured, batteries became bigger and locked in, I noticed that my power consumption was less likely to hit the max of the stock battery. The weights of the phones increased as well and I noticed a chronic pain on my pinky. This combined with the fact that the extended battery cases didn't have quick charge, rapid charge, super charge, it whatever "special" charge came with the phone, as well as a key missing feature of charge passthrough, caused me to drop the extended battery madness. I expect you to come to this conclusion on your own, because like me, you won't be convinced of extended battery cases being a bad joke until you see it for yourself. Make sure there is a good return policy.
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This combined with the fact that the extended battery cases didn't have quick charge, rapid charge, super charge, it whatever "special" charge came with the phone, as well as a key missing feature of charge passthrough, caused me to drop the extended battery madness. I expect you to come to this conclusion on your own, because like me, you won't be convinced of extended battery cases being a bad joke until you see it for yourself. Make sure there is a good return policy.
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Hi techronico,
Appreciate the reply. As far as quick charge goes that will damage the battery in the case the same way it can damage the battery in the phone. This is why I have a slow charger to charge my phone healthily instead of risking permanently frying the phone's battery which will shorten its life. I'm no fan of quick charge.
Regarding pass-through the seller confirms that the power case is equipped with heat, overpower and temp protections. What do you think?
Just to be sure the power case doesnt degrade the phone battery do you think its best to charge the phone case and phone separately and not connected together?
Looking forward to your reply.
I would never spend money on anything like that since I can get 2 days on a single charge on my 20X. All the new phones now use LiPo batteries (the same cell type used in Tesla cars) and have no problems with quick charging and don't exhibit memory as it's predecessor battery types used to have.
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I would never spend money on anything like that since I can get 2 days on a single charge on my 20X. All the new phones now use LiPo batteries (the same cell type used in Tesla cars) and have no problems with quick charging and don't exhibit memory as it's predecessor battery types used to have.
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Hi ben,
I'm not talking about quick charging. I love slow charging.
Anyway I get 3 days from my 20X. The problem is when I have 30% left it starts to drain like crazy. Thats the reason for wanting the battery case.
Did you get the battery case in the end? They are available very cheaply now from Aliexpress. I don't really have a problem with battery life but am thinking it might be a nice gadget to have
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001888167787.html
or
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32996873773.html