Titanium Backup convert as system app - OnePlus 5T Questions & Answers

Hi guys. I gotta problem and need your help. Tried to convert Google Messages as a system app through Titanium Backup and something went wrong... I don't really know where I fail. Titanium Backup says "Working, please wait" after taping "convert as a system app" and already waiting 30 minutes and absolutely nothing happened. The application icon disappeared in my application list and I'm unable to find it anymore. What to do now? I've taken a backup of the app right before try of converting it. I see a message in notification bar about the app being converting and "please wait" but how long time it takes to convert actually? I don't really know if I can restart the phone to skip it or maybe should I stop Titanium Backup to skip it, without any issues? I don't wanna anything go wrong more, as it looks like it's some problem out here. Any solutions?

It's done... after 40 minutes of converting... but the Messages icon disappeared from my system and isn't visible in applist in settings. I can see it in Titanium Backup as you can see on attached picture. I'm kinda panic when **** like that happens ? Forgot I can just activate pre-installed SMS app so far, until this problem is fixed.

I lost this menu option after 9.0.0 update. Someone know how to getbthis back?

It looks like it's not possible to convert any app (or maybe just this) through Titanium Backup. Maybe the functionality is broken. Google Messages has been simple deactivated and that's why I couldn't find it on the application list in stock Settings app, though I tried to convert it, not deactivate. After activating it through TB (post nr. 2) I couldn't see the name of the Google Messages in applist anymore, it was stated as com.google.messages or something like that, with Google Framework icon and reset app settings. I've uninstalled this app through Settings and installed from Google Store from scratch and it's back to normal but it looks like TB is unable to do this operation.

bl00keRs said:
It looks like it's not possible to convert any app (or maybe just this) through Titanium Backup. Maybe the functionality is broken. Google Messages has been simple deactivated and that's why I couldn't find it on the application list in stock Settings app, though I tried to convert it, not deactivate. After activating it through TB (post nr. 2) I couldn't see the name of the Google Messages in applist anymore, it was stated as com.google.messages or something like that, with Google Framework icon and reset app settings. I've uninstalled this app through Settings and installed from Google Store from scratch and it's back to normal but it looks like TB is unable to do this operation.
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Use Systemize, it's a module from Magisk.

I'll but it seems a little bit complicated or maybe I just need more time to read about it .

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[Q] Apps not restoring after factory reset.

Anyone know how to solve this? Sent my phone to HTC to get repaired. Got it back, logged into gmail iva the phone and only one of my apps is being restored. Only "mybackup" comes up as restored. Nothing else is showing.
I have my apps backed up on mybackup as well as my data but why isn't gmail doing it?
If i restore apps via "mybackup" then they do not show up in the market so i don't want to do it that way. Is there anything else i can do? I logged into the android market via my laptop and it had a list of about 15 of the apps i had but not even close to all of them.
Any advice appreciated. I thought this would be a simple process but evidently it doesn't seem like it.
Edit: Just been back to the a android website via my laptop and none of my apps are listed there anymore. Only the one that restored itself and the stock apps... Great. So i'm screwed now i take it?
I'm not sure about reinstalling from market. As far as I remember it didn't worked well for me either. If you have rooted phone you can use Titanium backup which will backup not only apps but the data too. So, if you set high score in a game or you set up some app to your preferances you will have them all back.
To backup up only apps for later reinstalling I use Astro file manager : https://market.android.com/details?id=com.metago.astro. With Astro you can backup all your apps for later installing after performing factory reset.
I already backed my apps using Astro and mybackup, however im pissed off that googles own inbuilt system won't restore my apps despite suggesting that it would. Plus anything i restore with Astro and mybackup will not show up in the market. Haven't got a choice now i guess.
They also ruined my contacts backup as well while we are at it. I saved my contacts to gmail a few weeks back, came back today and none of them are my contacts, they are however, half of the people i follow on twitter. Neither gmail or twitter are linked to each other so how the hell did gmail manage to get into my twitter account and then replace my saved contacts list with people i follow on twitter. What farce this all is.
I have that backed up in 2/3 places thankfully but what kind of service is this from google? Its worked fine in the past but the one time i need it, everything goes wrong.

Contacts won't open

I don't know when it it started, but my contacts just won't open, and even my dialer is difficult to open unless it is on the actual dial pad when closed last (if it's on logs, favorites, or contacts it also force closes whenever I try opening it). I was using Ready Contacts for a while, but I don't like it so I went back to my TouchWiz contacts and dialer to find they are all jacked up. I've tried clearing cache, manually force closing it, and clearing data, but nothing works.
Anyone know what would cause contacts to refuse to open? I'm on 4.4.2 NF9 rooted but otherwise stock.
Thanks.
I have exactly the same issue, any help would be appreciated
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I just upgraded on the weekend. I did not have problems with contacts but had problems with Google services using to much battery.
I had to factory reset. You don't lose root, you will have to download it again.
Using Titanium back and restore data was problematic with apps like 3C Tool box that alter performance or permissions on your phone. I cleared my data for 3C and some force closes went away.
I was getting reboots when scrolling through some apps. Reinstalling 3C and resetting the data got rid of problems.
It is new firmware and sometimes it is better to reinstall apps than restoring them from backup.
I don't know if any of this will help. Just some thoughts from my experience.
MadJoe said:
I don't know when it it started, but my contacts just won't open, and even my dialer is difficult to open unless it is on the actual dial pad when closed last (if it's on logs, favorites, or contacts it also force closes whenever I try opening it). I was using Ready Contacts for a while, but I don't like it so I went back to my TouchWiz contacts and dialer to find they are all jacked up. I've tried clearing cache, manually force closing it, and clearing data, but nothing works.
Anyone know what would cause contacts to refuse to open? I'm on 4.4.2 NF9 rooted but otherwise stock.
Thanks.
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Using xposed? First thought was the mod for showing a call icon in contacts list... if you are in a VoLTE area (and have it on) it FCs due to pointing to a non-existant image. Not sure it's the issue but figured I'd share.
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Using xposed? First thought was the mod for showing a call icon in contacts list... if you are in a VoLTE area (and have it on) it FCs due to pointing to a non-existant image. Not sure it's the issue but figured I'd share.
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That's probably exactly it, since it's intermittent, and seems to have started around the time I installed Wacom. I've disabled it and will see if the problem goes away. Thanks!

[Q] When in the playstore online it shows I have apps installed that I don't have

When I'm signed into my google account online and go to the playstore, it shows that certain apps are installed on my device. This is not accurate though.
Is there a way to delete all apps that I've ever installed from my account? I don't mind if I have to start over, thought I rather now create a new gmail account.
Any thoughts on this as I'm pretty puzzled.
And any old phone that I owned I factory reset before I sold.
Thank you
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When I'm signed into my google account online and go to the playstore, it shows that certain apps are installed on my device. This is not accurate though.
Is there a way to delete all apps that I've ever installed from my account? I don't mind if I have to start over, thought I rather now create a new gmail account.
Any thoughts on this as I'm pretty puzzled.
And any old phone that I owned I factory reset before I sold.
Thank you
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Check which apps are shown as installed but not on your app drawer. This is most likely you have disabled (frozen) the app. Go to your application manager and see if they are there or not.
You can remove all apps, but I don't think there's a 1-click way to do it. You can either uninstall them 1 by 1 or start from scratch (factory reset) and uncheck backup/restore in settings.
Thanks for the tip. This still doesn't help. What I did was go into my Play Store, delete every app that was just sitting there, apps that I had previously downloaded before on previous phones. I then restarted my phone, go back into the app store on a computer that I never downloaded anything on and it still shows that these apps are installed on my device, without the option to uninstall on the web on the computer.
I'd like to think I'm tech savvy but this one has me scratching my head.
well playstore does not have a feature to remove it from your account directly.
cnet had an article on it and it should have updated after you deleted the history of those apps . unless google changed something again.
http://www.cnet.com/how-to/delete-downloaded-app-history-from-google-play/
Yeah that method no longer works.

(Q) How can I disable Instant Apps for Android

Like the title says, I've noticed since updating to 7.1.2 at least 2-3 times a day I am thrown a notification for "updating Instant Apps" but it never tells me if it was updated or installed. I tried going to Settings -> Google -> Instant Apps and it is disabled yet these apps are auto-downloading and installing in the background. I have auto-updates off on the play store but this still occurs.
Is there anything I can do to disable or at least cripple the instant apps? I'm reading the purpose of instant apps is so you can try an application without installing it, I do not want to test drive apps like Buzzfeed so however I can disable it would be great
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Like the title says, I've noticed since updating to 7.1.2 at least 2-3 times a day I am thrown a notification for "updating Instant Apps" but it never tells me if it was updated or installed. I tried going to Settings -> Google -> Instant Apps and it is disabled yet these apps are auto-downloading and installing in the background. I have auto-updates off on the play store but this still occurs.
Is there anything I can do to disable or at least cripple the instant apps? I'm reading the purpose of instant apps is so you can try an application without installing it, I do not want to test drive apps like Buzzfeed so however I can disable it would be great
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So, using Titanium Backup I couldn't find the package com.google.android.instantapps.supervisor but using a root explorer I found the application in /data/app/com.google.android.instantapps.supervisor-2
I also found saved data in /data/data/com.google.android.apps.instantapps.supervisor
I have no idea if this will prevent the service from auto-updating as it has been without permission but I know where it is now...
Update: Deleting both folders causing settings to crash when you go to Settings -> Google -> Instant apps, so it might be deleted off my phone entirely. I will update if I see the application re-install itself
Instant apps are temporary apps. So you can't uninstall them or disable it. It's a feature built into Android that is not going away. Your only option is to install a rom without Gapps. Otherwise deal with it.
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Instant apps are temporary apps. So you can't uninstall them or disable it. It's a feature built into Android that is not going away. Your only option is to install a rom without Gapps. Otherwise deal with it.
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deleting those two files seemed to have broken that feature.
My issue was that I disabled that service through settings as suggested by one of the google support pages but it would still download and install "Instant Apps" the service throughout the day, not the actual temporary apps themselves. So it's been dealt with lol
oh man, when i saw this i thought i had a virus on my phone.
especially when i couldn't find anything named "instant apps" in the app drawer
I am hoping that this will work for me as well. The first time I saw the instant apps pop up I just connected to a free wifi in Mexico and freaked out. This seriously bothers me. I uninstalled it and it came back update after update. I also will not be using any instant apps, so this is something I want to break.
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I am hoping that this will work for me as well. The first time I saw the instant apps pop up I just connected to a free wifi in Mexico and freaked out. This seriously bothers me. I uninstalled it and it came back update after update. I also will not be using any instant apps, so this is something I want to break.
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some how it was pushed back on to my phone. this is not a permanent solution...
so I'm trying to disable this through other means now and I found something interesting? I need someone with more experience to chime in as far as what these* lines* do*.. and where I found it...
so in /data/data/com.google.android.apps.instantapps.supervisor/shared_prefs/phenotypeConfigurations.xml there are these three lines:
<boolean name="Supervisor__enable_instant_apps" value="true" />
<boolean name="Supervisor__disable_url_resolution" value="false" />
<boolean name="TestFeature__enable_test" value="true" />
I flipped the value of these three entries to see if this will disable it. I find it odd that for the first line it was set for "true" when the settings say it's off. I will update again if I see this come back. My coworker had suggested that this may be built in to the Google app itself? Let's see...
so I had to unroot my phone because I forgot to log into snapchat, then re-root after, and Instant Apps was back yet again. The changes I made to the XML file persisted but the app was back.
I think I found a way to remove it entirely. I used Root Explorer, idk what other applications would work for this. So I navigated back to /data/app/com.google.android.instantapps.supervisor-1 and I clicked the base.apk and I had an option to uninstall, I did this then rebooted my phone to see if reboots are why it fixes itself except the entry for Instant Apps has been removed from settings. This appears to permanently remove this feature.
every time I think I fix this it keeps coming back lol, I finally called Google Support and this is the first they are hearing of it. The application re-installed itself at 430-some Mountain Time on it's own, other times it re-installs upon reboot. I'm going to find a way to cripple it if google cant
I recommend calling support to let them know that Instant Apps is enabled even though the switch says it is disabled.
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every time I think I fix this it keeps coming back lol, I finally called Google Support and this is the first they are hearing of it. The application re-installed itself at 430-some Mountain Time on it's own, other times it re-installs upon reboot. I'm going to find a way to cripple it if google cant
I recommend calling support to let them know that Instant Apps is enabled even though the switch says it is disabled.
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I have the same annoyances, "Installig Instant apps" notification appears randomly during the last month, and reading in the logcat they are updates/patches to the new feature, managed by finsky app (Play Store). The most scaring thing is that one time it appeared also during mobile data connection, which is not acceptable (and 800kb background data from Play Store). Google is being too aggressive with it. Why not simply integrate it and update it along with Play Services like the other 1000 google APIs ? !on WIFI!
Thank you for your tests, unfortunately the update process seems to be triggered by Google Play services itself or by Google play store.
I searched for related alarms/wakelocks in Amplify and could only found one wakelock coming from com.google.android.apps.instantapps.supervisor itself: .ExperimentUpdateService. I decided to keep it as this probably isn't the trigger.
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I have the same annoyances, "Installig Instant apps" notification appears randomly during the last month, and reading in the logcat they are updates/patches to the new feature, managed by finsky app (Play Store). The most scaring thing is that one time it appeared also during mobile data connection, which is not acceptable (and 800kb background data from Play Store). Google is being too aggressive with it. Why not simply integrate it and update it along with Play Services like the other 1000 google APIs ? !on WIFI!
Thank you for your tests, unfortunately the update process seems to be triggered by Google Play services itself or by Google play store.
I searched for related alarms/wakelocks in Amplify and could only found one wakelock coming from com.google.android.apps.instantapps.supervisor itself: .ExperimentUpdateService. I decided to keep it as this probably isn't the trigger.
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yeah that's now my only worrisome complaint is that it ignores the play store settings and will download over any network connection. You can try submitting feedback through settings and suggest they fix this part so that it updates as you said. Thanks for the additional info, I'll try disabling that and report back if it makes any difference. I doubt that's the source of the problem though so I uninstall the apk so something else must be initiating it.
Thank you guys for this thread! I have the regular Pixel and have been seeing this happen... "Instant Apps" was disabled but somehow still updating either itself or something else, and I wondered if there was an additional switch somewhere to disable it. Looks like the answer is no. ?
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So I noticed every time the play store found an update, magically Instant Apps was back. I began to notice that this may be a service built into Play Store and not the Google app itself. So I had an idea, I went into Settings for Android and turned off background data for Play services. Obviously this will affect quite a bit, but honestly I am at that point from fighting this feature that I'd gladly give that up. So far after 2 days I have not seen the application re-install itself. It has been more permanent that the other solutions I've had so far.
There's an article from XDA in Analysis and Opinion talking about Instant Apps and Play Store 7.8.15, apparently this issue is affecting people all the way down to the Samsung S5... although people are hesistant to believe this issue exists for whatever reason.
You can cripple it by restricting its access to internet via firewall. Unfortunately this method also drives up battery consumption as the firewall does jujitsu with "Google Play services for Instant Apps" - I am actively fantasizing about taking my baby sledge to this thing and going back to a "dumb"-phone that doesn't have all this drama constantly! I'm using an S5 right now. This is definitely a google thing. They have a similar self-install-without-asking "feature" on windows via their chrome browser. Just look up "SwReporter" in that program's directory. It self-populates with an executable as you use chrome normally and there is no option in the program for it to not do that. You can safely make a shortcut to that directory and empty it out regularly to restrict its functionality which is presumably for keeping an eye on you. I am also trying an alternate method of changing security to prevent write access to that directory. I have no idea how to do that on an unrooted android. Any ideas? And does anybody know how to cripple "instant apps" malware/spyware backdoor "feature" on an unrooted device without eating battery like crazy?
Today I noticed that Instant Apps was installing without my permission. When I clicked on that notification, it brought me to the Google Play Store. (In Google Play Store, I have auto updates disabled.) I have an unrooted Galaxy Note 4 and I can't even find the settings for Instant Apps under the Google settings. Why aren't the settings there? I found the app in the Apps settings called "Google Play services for Instant Apps" (thank you G1A). I cleared it's the cache and data and then uninstalled it. So I'm assuming it will not come back but you never know.
EDIT: Well the "Google Play services for Instant Apps" reinstalled itself AGAIN WITHOUT MY PERMISSION. Getting sick of tired of Google's POMPOUS business ethics.
If it reinstalled itself.... then his would require root privileges in order to disable.
yeah this issue is annoying, it seems to initiate the download upon every reboot and each time it checks the play store for updates for any of your apps.
I found a way to disable it but it required freezing the app through Titanium Backup. I have NO CLUE why I couldn't see Instant Apps before in this list but it is listed as "Google Play Services for Instant Apps." It does not re-install or try to even download, does not show in Settings under Google, but if you look at the app itself in settings you will see it does still run. I am not sure to what extent but yeeeaahhh at least it doesnt seem like it can run anything
No problem As an update, changing security permissions (specifically for writing) for chrome's target folder Definitely (in windows 10) serves as an effective measure to blockade its ability to regenerate itself. This same method also works for microsoft edge located in the C-Windows-SystemApps folder. I presume that the programming methods would be analogous with android on google's end. Anybody know how to restrict write access to a folder on android? So long as it checks for a folder existing and it does exist (multi-decade programming approach) then it attempts to write to that folder. However, because it's already running in stealth mode (aka background) then it will never show an error message when it fails to execute, and it won't report back either, as that functionality depends on the contents of the targeted folder it is denied access to. It should be effectively crippled without excessive CPU consumption if you can just restrict its ability to write to the default folder that it installs itself in. Any ideas how to execute this kind of blockade?
UPDATE: As a way to cripple not Instant Apps specifically, but an entire host of functionality on the android platform, something called "Power Saving Mode" seems to knock out a key background runtime required for this pest to run. Unfortunately it doesn't let you pick and choose what it shuts off, so other useful apps may lose their functionality too. Post if anybody finds a more app-specific method!
Does this crap have its own separate package? If so, you could uninstall it and make a dummy APK having the same package name. This could prevent "updates" due to signing key conflicts, but might also break things...

Question Any complete backup solutions?

Are there any viable thorough backup solutions that don't require root?
My fold is dying (sound has completely stopped working, large screen is just black, no warranty as the seller from facebook marketplace failed to provide a receipt) and I want to move absolutely everything over to my new phone of the same model.
Is there a way to backup and restore all of the following?
- settings and accounts, homescreen layout and widgets
- apps and app data (including apps installed directly through apk file or outside of play store)
- SMS
- entire contents of internalSD
I know I can do all of these tasks individually and manually, I was just wondering if there
was an app for android that can do all of the above in one go? Every backup solution I've attempted
always seem to leave me having to setup a few things manually afterwards.
I've tried Samsung Smart Switch but it seems to leave out quite a few apps and app data.
Cloud backup probably isn't feasible as I have over 400gb of data on the phone.
Can I somehow clone one phone to the other?

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