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(Q) Storage solutions - any help?

Hi, I have the 16gb version of the n5 and with all the heavy games and ROM flashing I find my phone short of memory.
Firstly, I'm not really looking for cloud style solutions because for the most part, I have low signal a lot of the time. This would mean slow transfers and extra battery drainage (which the n5 really doesn't need..)
Secondly, I've been doing a little research and found that I could use otg and a USB/micro SD card.
While researching I found that I could either get a usb 3.0 otg cable with a 3.0 USB memory card or high grade micro SD card, or I could go for USB 2.0 equivalent.
The problem is, from what I've read the n5 just supports usb3.0 and is only really as fast as usb2.0. Can anyone tell me if this is true? If so, should I just get the USB 2.0 equivalent?
Any other suggestions are welcome, because I really need extra storage space.
Thanks.
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iKlutz said:
Hi, I have the 16gb version of the n5 and with all the heavy games and ROM flashing I find my phone short of memory.
Firstly, I'm not really looking for cloud style solutions because for the most part, I have low signal a lot of the time. This would mean slow transfers and extra battery drainage (which the n5 really doesn't need..)
Secondly, I've been doing a little research and found that I could use otg and a USB/micro SD card.
While researching I found that I could either get a usb 3.0 otg cable with a 3.0 USB memory card or high grade micro SD card, or I could go for USB 2.0 equivalent.
The problem is, from what I've read the n5 just supports usb3.0 and is only really as fast as usb2.0. Can anyone tell me if this is true? If so, should I just get the USB 2.0 equivalent?
Any other suggestions are welcome, because I really need extra storage space.
Thanks.
Sent from the dark side of the moon.
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I think you are referring to something like this
http://www.meenova.com/st/p/m3r.html
I have not tested it myself but it seems promising. As for your usb concern, if you are using something like the above product, the difference in usb (3.0 vs. 2.0) should not matter as they would both work fine interchangeably

Meenova works great with the Nexus 5 :good:
If you use CM then it’s natively supported without additional apps. If you use other ROMs you may need something like StickMount (and rooted) to use the USB storage.

I have a Meenova Micro SD card reader, it works great with root and StickMount.
But there is a cheaper alternative on ebay - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/131063464166?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
I have bought one of these aswel and it works exactly the same as the more expensive Meenova, with the additional benefit of a full sized usb on the other end.
10 times cheaper aswel.

coolboy6332 said:
I think you are referring to something like this
http://www.meenova.com/st/p/m3r.html
I have not tested it myself but it seems promising. As for your usb concern, if you are using something like the above product, the difference in usb (3.0 vs. 2.0) should not matter as they would both work fine interchangeably
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Nice! I'm looking at sandisk micro SD cards to go with that adapter, there's a few very fast ones supporting 95mb/s! What's the fastest that n5 could handle? I'm looking at the extreme pro / plus ones here: http://www.sandisk.co.uk/products/memory-cards/microsd/
Edit: I'm rooted and running slimkat / faux kernel
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No more OTG needed

Did anyone check this out!
No more OTG needed!!!!
The pend drive connects directly!!
"What makes this Flash USB Drive so special is that it has USB 2.0 (male) port on one end and micro-USB (male) port on the other, with 16 to 64 GB of flash storage in between. "
"There is also the free SanDisk Memory Zone app that allows for quick backups either to the memory card or online storage services like DropBox allowing you to free up your Android device’s internal memory."
Capacities available in 16, 32 and 64 GB and comes at suggested retail price of Rs 1,199 to Rs 3,800 in India
- See more at: http://www.techtree.com/content/new...-friendly-pen-drive.html#sthash.WsNaH48h.dpuf
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Meenova do this too - but smaller & better

Agree on the meenova solution, plus it comes with a micro USB to full USB adapter to be able to plug in a full size stick right into the phone.

techguyone said:
Meenova do this too - but smaller & better
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mvnsnd said:
Agree on the meenova solution, plus it comes with a micro USB to full USB adapter to be able to plug in a full size stick right into the phone.
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Ohh is it? Didn't know about that!
M gonna check out!
Thanks anyways
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mvnsnd said:
Agree on the meenova solution, plus it comes with a micro USB to full USB adapter to be able to plug in a full size stick right into the phone.
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My mistake here. I looked again and the adapter is micro usb that plugs into the phone with a exposed USB A. A lot like this:
sgcdn.startech.com/005329/media/products/gallery_large/GCUSBAMBM.B.jpg

I got a Iball hybrid pen drive. Great for storing all movies and music.
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Im using this
cdrking.com/apanel/modules/products/images/large/19407_2.jpg
fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2014/049/9/0/otg_by_viperxtreme-d76zj1c.jpg
micro usb on the other end and a full size usb on the other, a microsd slot fits on the mouth of the full usb head.

[Q] USB Memory Stick.

Hi.
Can someone tell me what the maximum size memory stick I can attach to my Note 10.1 via a OTG cable as I would like to take some ripped DVD/Blu Ray films with me on holiday, just in case the weather intervenes.
Thanks

I dont think there is a limit as I can connect my 2tb portable hdd with no problems. Have tried a 128gb memory stick and that works with no issues.

Marshall1975 said:
I dont think there is a limit as I can connect my 2tb portable hdd with no problems. Have tried a 128gb memory stick and that works with no issues.
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Thank you very much indeed.

I've tried a 1TB HDD and it worked just fine. It isn't a flash drive (AKA USB Memory Stick), but if it worked, then I'd say that the only limit you have is the limit of the max capacity that the manufacturers use.
Just be sure that whatever you use is formatted as FAT32 or else it won't read.
NTFS won't read for certain.

Good advice on the formatting of the HDD. Personally I use ExFat. Better for handling larger capacity disks and the note is perfectly happy with it.

Biggest Flash drive?

I have the Samsung galaxy tab s 10.5 and I would like to know if a 256g flash drive will work? I watch movies and TV shows on the go, 64g is not enough (the Simpsons season 1 - 25 needs about 100g) I don't have a computer anymore just my tablet. I bought the seagate wireless plus 1tb and I couldn't get it to work, don't want to order a 256g flash drive and have same trouble. Any help would be great
Sorry no I am not rooted and due to the fact that I use my Samsung allshare cast hub daily and root items can't use the hub

Anyone?

Don't you mean SD card.? Some people say the highest you can go is 64 or 128gb

128 GB is the highest you can go
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He probably means OTG cable with a hard drive. Simple drives tend to work the larger drives need more power to work via USB.
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There is an available of cable that's a "y".....one leg is the USB and the other is another female micro USB for your charging cable. Can't remember where on ebay I got mine but it does work for my external hard drives with my GS5

128gb sd card is not big enough so I thought k would try a 256gb OTG flash drive. Has anyone tested?

Guntert said:
128gb sd card is not big enough so I thought k would try a 256gb OTG flash drive. Has anyone tested?
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This question left me extremely curious, so I have just purchased an OTG cable which will arrive in a few days. I will test out a few different EXT HDD sizes and post what the maximum my OTG will allow.
I do however forsee an increase in the discharge of the battery for larger storage devices, but we shall see.

Can't wait to see what u find

I'm gonna buy a sandisk ultra 64gb microUSB otg and I was looking for a bigger one but this must be the biggest one they have, can't wait to test it out. What I'll do is if my shows or movies won't fit I'm gonna have to erase the ones I've seen then try to make them fit. I suggest you get a 128gb micro SD card plus a big sized flash drive then you should be okay.
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So I bought an OTG cable off ebay, and it arrived. I didn't change the format of any of my external drives as I don't have the space to store anything currently anywhere else. The tablet registers there is a drive connected however it can't mount the storage device due to an unknown format. The externals I tried were 2 portables (1x 500Gb usb2.0 and 1x 1Tb usb 3.0) and 2 desktops (1x 1.5Tb and 1x 1Tb both usb 2.0). Over the next few days I will attempt to reformat the 500 Gb and 1Tb portables, and the 1Tb desktop and see if that produces any results. Due to work constraints this may take a few days, so thank you for patience. Results will be posted as soon as possible. Current format of all the externals is default NTFS.

Another Option
There's another option in which would require multiple devices unfortunately due to the limited storage. Its a product I currently use myself called "Toshiba Duo 2 in 1.
http://www.officeworks.com.au/shop/...flash-drive-toduo64grd?searchTerm=Toshina Duo
Unfortunately I am still working on my other drives. There's is a lot of moving data around (limited to USB 2.0 speeds), so please keep posted on my other externals.

[Q] Recommended External Storage?

I'm curious what external storage devices folks are using with their Fire TVs to avoid the low-memory warnings. Are you using large hard drives, or little thumb drives? If the latter, is 32GB enough?
Here's a link to something I was considering using for external storage: A tiny, low-profile USB 3 flash drive with 32GB of storage:
http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Ultra...Z43-032G-G46/dp/B00LLER2CS/ref=dp_ob_title_ce

IMHO without root you can not use any external media since USB mounting is not supported out-of-the-box.

Raymondo17 said:
I'm curious what external storage devices folks are using with their Fire TVs to avoid the low-memory warnings. Are you using large hard drives, or little thumb drives? If the latter, is 32GB enough?
Here's a link to something I was considering using for external storage: A tiny, low-profile USB 3 flash drive with 32GB of storage:
http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Ultra...Z43-032G-G46/dp/B00LLER2CS/ref=dp_ob_title_ce
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I use a 32GB USB3 Stick which (on USB3) write about 60mb/s and reads about 80mb/s. I never testet it on USB2. In direct comparation of two firetvs running asphalt8 one from emmc one from USB the USB firetv is about a second later in the game which
is IMHO totaly fine.

How do you mount it? My non-rootable aTV does not recognize storage devices on USB.

Calibaan said:
How do you mount it? My non-rootable aTV does not recognize storage devices on USB.
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Your device must be rooted.

Ah, OK so nothing new. Thought I´ve missed something.

I'm using an older Western Digital My Passport 320gb and mounted my internal data to it. I connected it to a small powered hub and also have a wireless mouse/keyboard dongle and wireless game controller connected to the hub. It works wonderfully. Only a slight delay compared to having data still on the FTV itself.

Your performance will always be limited to the transfer speeds of whatever external storage you're using. So it's not as easy as saying use HDD over USB Flash or vice versa. You can use either, just be sure that what you use has good transfer rates.

KCFish said:
Your performance will always be limited to the transfer speeds of whatever external storage you're using. So it's not as easy as saying use HDD over USB Flash or vice versa. You can use either, just be sure that what you use has good transfer rates.
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Exactly. I first tried a flash drive I had laying around. It turned my FTV into a slow crawl.

derpeter said:
I use a 32GB USB3 Stick which (on USB3) write about 60mb/s and reads about 80mb/s. I never testet it on USB2. In direct comparation of two firetvs running asphalt8 one from emmc one from USB the USB firetv is about a second later in the game which is IMHO totaly fine.
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Good to know, as I'd read that USB sticks would offer lousy performance.
KCFish said:
Your performance will always be limited to the transfer speeds of whatever external storage you're using. So it's not as easy as saying use HDD over USB Flash or vice versa. You can use either, just be sure that what you use has good transfer rates.
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An excellent point. I did find a thumb drive, the Kingston Digital HyperX 3.0 Data Traveler, with what appears to be good transfer rates: 225MB/s read and 135MB/s write.
http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Digi...99462&sr=8-2&keywords=Kingston+HyperX+MAX+3.0
For around the same price, I could get this Toshiba Canvio portable drive, which would hold over ten times as much data, but I can't seem to pin down the exact read/write times. The stats say up to 480 Mb/s transfer rate, which does sound pretty good to me.
http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-Canvi...2683&sr=1-16&keywords=external+usb+hard+drive
Another question I have is whether using a USB 3 drive would even matter since the Fire TV is only USB 2?

Raymondo17 said:
Good to know, as I'd read that USB sticks would offer lousy performance.
An excellent point. I did find a thumb drive, the Kingston Digital HyperX 3.0 Data Traveler, with what appears to be good transfer rates: 225MB/s read and 135MB/s write.
http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Digi...99462&sr=8-2&keywords=Kingston+HyperX+MAX+3.0
For around the same price, I could get this Toshiba Canvio portable drive, which would hold over ten times as much data, but I can't seem to pin down the exact read/write times. The stats say up to 480 Mb/s transfer rate, which does sound pretty good to me.
http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-Canvi...2683&sr=1-16&keywords=external+usb+hard+drive
Another question I have is whether using a USB 3 drive would even matter since the Fire TV is only USB 2?
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Most USB3 stick have faster controller and faster memory then the old USB2.0 versions. It is hard to find a fast USB2.0 Stick so you may be better of buying a USB3 stick and use it on the USB2.0 port of the aftv. (Which not mean that there are no slow USB3.0 sticks)
I can also recomment the sandisk extrem 32GB USB3.0 stick its even faster then the one in my tests but that should not matter on the USB2.0 port of the firetv.

derpeter said:
Most USB3 stick have faster controller and faster memory then the old USB2.0 versions. It is hard to find a fast USB2.0 Stick so you may be better of buying a USB3 stick and use it on the USB2.0 port of the aftv. (Which not mean that there are no slow USB3.0 sticks)
I can also recomment the sandisk extrem 32GB USB3.0 stick its even faster then the one in my tests but that should not matter on the USB2.0 port of the firetv.
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Excellent. Thanks for the info.

I used my old 128gb ssd samsung evo 840 as whole System. fast like normal System. No slowdown. i use an active usb 4 Port hub also connected Xbox 360 Wireless Transmitter usb dongle for Wireless mouse+Keyboard. One Thinge i can't use a Second harddrive as external.
dowsn't Sebamed to work as i use datatousb from cwm Post. Maybe only usererror. bussymount killed my Setup (Boot from usb)
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