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Gps lock concerns? If any.

Is anyone concerned on whether or not the phone will have issues locking on to your location? I currently have a samsung droid charge and the thing takes minutes to lock (talking 10 to 15 minutes at times). I'm aware samsung has had faulty gps with the first galaxy series as well, but haven't checked on their latest phones recently. Anyone know if the nexus s had any gps problems? Just hoping this phone won't suffer from the same problems as those other phones.

The built in barometer sensor will probably help.

Here's an article published by PocketNow:
Google Confirms Barometer Intent: Faster GPS Locks
According to Morgill, the intended use for the barometer sensor will be speeding-up GPS acquisition. We had mentioned the ability to gauge altitude via barometric pressure, but focused on its use in estimating altitude independently of GPS, saving battery life. Instead, Morgill says, it's to make initial GPS calculations go faster.
While it's easy to keep-up with GPS satellites, an initial lock-on can take a smartphone's GPS receiver a little while to make. Besides needing to wait to receive satellite constellation data from the GPS birds, the receiver needs to solve a complicated set of equations to figure out your location. One of those values it's solving for is your altitude coordinate, and if you already have a pretty good guess what it's near, you can speed up the rest of the equation-solving. Of course, you always could use the sensor for any of the uses we mentioned, given the proper app support, but this GPS-assist looks to be the primary motivation for the sensor's inclusion.
From: http://pocketnow.com/android/google-confirms-barometer-intent-faster-gps-locks
Source: Dan Morgill
Via: Android and Me
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Even better would be to know that it uses the Russian Glonnas system as well as the US GPS sats to give double the number of possible sats to lock to. The Samsung Note uses Glonass and the Apple 4s uses both. Let's hope the Galaxy Nexus does the same.

I am hoping that after more than a year and over thousands of complaints Samsung got their act together and got that damn GPS working like HTC's devices.

The gps lock seems pretty quick judging from this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-yWgzoJXMA#t=9m41s

Nexus s zero GPS issues full stop!
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The Galaxy S debacle gave Samsung a black eye they won't soon forget. Whatever the issue was though, it was solved when I got my NS about a week after launch. It locks usually in less than 5 seconds and has only lost signal a few times and has never failed to function for the nearly one year that I've been using it.

Yeah this was the only thing stopping me from pre-ordering the galaxy Nexus.
My Galaxy S Vibrant (T-Mobile) has a though usable GPS, it's complete garbage.
I remember driving down I-5 on my way down to Portland... it kept jumping in between local roads and the actual I-5.....
So I take it that GPS is fairly fast to lock and accurate? (keep in mind I don't use A-GPS since I have very limited Data)

very quick GPS lock and accurate from my attempts so far
Just stood outside in an alleyway between houses and got a lock in under 10 seconds !

Yeah mine has got pretty good GPS performance, although coming from a Galaxy S anything is better.
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It literally locks in 10 seconds while outdoor and 20 while indoor. Really works well
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htc6500uk said:
Even better would be to know that it uses the Russian Glonnas system as well as the US GPS sats to give double the number of possible sats to lock to. The Samsung Note uses Glonass and the Apple 4s uses both. Let's hope the Galaxy Nexus does the same.
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Has there been any confirmation that galaxy nexus can use GLONASS satellites?

I've had no problems with gps so far.
sent from a galaxy far far away.

tested it right after the buy. i am a geocacher the fix was instant. Much faster than my Desire HD

Droid Charge (my dad and sister has one) can take several minutes or longer. My Motorola Triumph could take 5 minutes out in open area (pathetic)
Nexus, locked within 5s from within a bathroom first time ever using it, down to 10M accuracy.
Needless to say, I am very unhappy that it wasn't instant but I suppose I can live with 5s
Off Topic, I read that the galaxy note uses 3 different GPS systems, US/Russia and something else, so it's able to see about double the sats in the sky - anyone know if nexus is the same way?

What is wrong with the Note7 gps???

I have tested the gps altimeter function by climbing stairs and carrying the following devices:
1. Garmin 60csx
2. iPhone 6s
3. Samsung Galaxy Note 3
4. Samsung Galaxy Note 7
5. Samsung Galaxy Tab S2
Results of Garmin and iPhone were accurate, Note 3 acceptable, however Note 7 was far from real values. Has anyone experienced the same? Or do I have a defective device?
Watch the video!

Anyway to test this on a lone Note 7 with no comparison or known altitude reading at my location?

You can get an altitude reading for your location here, then compare it to the results of any number of altitude-reporting apps from the Play Store.
Sadly, my Note 7 appears to be off by 80 feet or so (I'm currently at roughly 15 feet above sea level and the N7 says I'm 60+ feet below!).

Dodge DeBoulet said:
You can get an altitude reading for your location here, then compare it to the results of any number of altitude-reporting apps from the Play Store.
Sadly, my Note 7 appears to be off by 80 feet or so (I'm currently at roughly 15 feet above sea level and the N7 says I'm 60+ feet below!).
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Thanks
My results on an Exynos variant in the UK:
44m using the app "Altimeter" and current altitude at my location is (according to google maps) "Last point clicked : 46.547 m / 152.713 feet"
Pretty accurate.

Note 7 elevation graph issue
If someone using endomondo sport tracker or strava with Note7, please share some results with us, I'm so sad about this inaccuracy. If you know a better thread for this, please let me know! Thank you!

Just following up on this. I received my replacement Note 7 and ran it through the same process for determining altitude via GPS. I received pretty much the same results, so I'm assuming the hardware itself isn't at fault.
I did some research into the expected accuracy of gps-only calculated altitude and discovered that it's generally considered to be quite inaccurate. The altitude value you receive is calculated based on the "WGS84 reference ellipsoid," which is a somewhat abstract model of the earth. There are formulae that can correct for that, but even with the correction you can't expect accuracy to be significantly better than +/- 10 meters.
For that reason, many GPS applications use supplementary geoid data which provides fairly accurate contour information based on satellite radar-mapped terrain. This of course requires a data connection, but generally provides accuracy to within a few meters of average local sea-level.
Because of these different methods of determining altitude (barometric pressure is an option as well, but far less accurate), you can see wildly different estimates of altitude from different apps. Some provide only WGS84 data, others munge that with formulae or filtering, and a number of them use geoid data.
One of the apps I used allowed me to selectively enable/disable GPS, geoid, and barometric data in calculating my altitude. Unfortunately it was stuffed full of annoying, auto-play ads to the extent that I really don't want to promote it ... but turning the various methods on/off while I experimented with it was quite enlightening.

Now I'm very confused!
But check this new comparison! (I'm not sure, how to post images..)
I did it yesterday. Note7 with SHealth is perfect, but with endomondo is very inaccurate. I used both app at the same time. My TabS2 Lte with endomono is quite good.
Dodge DeBoulet said:
Just following up on this. I received my replacement Note 7 and ran it through the same process for determining altitude via GPS. I received pretty much the same results, so I'm assuming the hardware itself isn't at fault.
I did some research into the expected accuracy of gps-only calculated altitude and discovered that it's generally considered to be quite inaccurate. The altitude value you receive is calculated based on the "WGS84 reference ellipsoid," which is a somewhat abstract model of the earth. There are formulae that can correct for that, but even with the correction you can't expect accuracy to be significantly better than +/- 10 meters.
For that reason, many GPS applications use supplementary geoid data which provides fairly accurate contour information based on satellite radar-mapped terrain. This of course requires a data connection, but generally provides accuracy to within a few meters of average local sea-level.
Because of these different methods of determining altitude (barometric pressure is an option as well, but far less accurate), you can see wildly different estimates of altitude from different apps. Some provide only WGS84 data, others munge that with formulae or filtering, and a number of them use geoid data.
One of the apps I used allowed me to selectively enable/disable GPS, geoid, and barometric data in calculating my altitude. Unfortunately it was stuffed full of annoying, auto-play ads to the extent that I really don't want to promote it ... but turning the various methods on/off while I experimented with it was quite enlightening.
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How is GPS on the device? Is it accurate? Good lock?

I know, odd question, but it's important for me.
There is a Note 9 in the family, a OP7 Pro to try, and so on. They all suck at GPS tracking/lock-on compared to my old Note 4 and former Mate 10 Pro.
Notebookcheck praised the Pixel 3a XL's accuracy, so I wonder... is it really that good?
I mean, the OP7 Pro can't even get a lock in buildings, and Maps/Waze will remove your route/tracking altogether cause it has 0 confidence, and happens in a city as well.
Note 9 is the same, although the route stays, it just keeps throwing the car like streets away from the actual position.
Ps.: Moral of the story? Dual-band GPS is nothing more than just a buzzword.

h8Aramex said:
I know, odd question, but it's important for me.
There is a Note 9 in the family, a OP7 Pro to try, and so on. They all suck at GPS tracking/lock-on compared to my old Note 4 and former Mate 10 Pro.
Notebookcheck praised the Pixel 3a XL's accuracy, so I wonder... is it really that good?
I mean, the OP7 Pro can't even get a lock in buildings, and Maps/Waze will remove your route/tracking altogether cause it has 0 confidence, and happens in a city as well.
Note 9 is the same, although the route stays, it just keeps throwing the car like streets away from the actual position.
Ps.: Moral of the story? Dual-band GPS is nothing more than just a buzzword.
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For what it's worth, I've had the 3a XL since launch and only once while using Google maps has it lost GPS signal, and it was in a tunnel, so there was no clear sky.

poncespr said:
For what it's worth, I've had the 3a XL since launch and only once while using Google maps has it lost GPS signal, and it was in a tunnel, so there was no clear sky.
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Thank you! I know it sounds silly to even ask this, since some had luck with their phone purchases and GPS just worked... but on the other hand, I was extremely unlucky. And trust me, there is nothing worse than having no GPS.
I'll place an order and sell my phone / one of the phones.
Have a nice day!

I've had my 3a XL since close to launch, and had no issues with GPS.
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hilker09 said:
I've had my 3a XL since close to launch, and had no issues with GPS.
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Me neither. I have no issues with the device, everything works as it should. Almost boring... :laugh:

this isn't a Samsung... haha

Anyone else having horrible GPS issues?

I live in la... work in production and use my navigation constantly. This is killing me
The GPS doesn't lock reliably and it loses location all the time... usually at the worst possible time of course ?.
I had a one plus McClaren and it had the same issues... actually this phone is worse.
Can't really blame the phone it really seems like its has something to do with the 5g. My pixel 3xl works flawlessly with the same sim.
Turning off 5g doesn't solve the issue for me either. So no easy fix.

Mine is dead on.
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Mine has been off and will not lock quickly sometimes.

socalstagetech said:
I live in la... work in production and use my navigation constantly. This is killing me
The GPS doesn't lock reliably and it loses location all the time... usually at the worst possible time of course ?.
I had a one plus McClaren and it had the same issues... actually this phone is worse.
Can't really blame the phone it really seems like its has something to do with the 5g. My pixel 3xl works flawlessly with the same sim.
Turning off 5g doesn't solve the issue for me either. So no easy fix.
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I had a OP 6T before this s20 Ultra. I had the same issued you did with my 6T as your McLaren.
I do think the Samsung is actually a little bit better than the 6T. The 6T would just randomly stop tracking me and place me on the next road over, etc.
The S20 just stops tracking for a moment then picks right back up. I see issues with it but not like I did with 6T. I also think moving from T-Mo to ATT gives me a more reliable data connection so GPS seems a little better.
I also use my phone for DoorDash and hate these GPS issues.
Some people never see the issue but run 4 to 10 hours a day with GPS and I see it all the time.
BUt to answer your question. Yep, it seems like Android 10 itself is the actual culprit. This is what I have read when I was the 6T. Dont know if there is any truth to that.

S20 Ultra - started experiencing gps issues today too. On and off, and haven't been able to permanently fix yet.

Scott said:
I had a OP 6T before this s20 Ultra. I had the same issued you did with my 6T as your McLaren.
I do think the Samsung is actually a little bit better than the 6T. The 6T would just randomly stop tracking me and place me on the next road over, etc.
The S20 just stops tracking for a moment then picks right back up. I see issues with it but not like I did with 6T. I also think moving from T-Mo to ATT gives me a more reliable data connection so GPS seems a little better.
I also use my phone for DoorDash and hate these GPS issues.
Some people never see the issue but run 4 to 10 hours a day with GPS and I see it all the time.
BUt to answer your question. Yep, it seems like Android 10 itself is the actual culprit. This is what I have read when I was the 6T. Dont know if there is any truth to that.
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My pixel 3xl has android 10 on it and works flawlessly.
Every 5g phone I've tried has had GPS lock issues. T-mobile released an update that was supposed to fix it when I had the one plus 7t pro McClaren and it improved it but definitely didn't fix it.

I have issues with my ultra as well. Using waze it was putting me almost a Mille off I had to stop and restart everything and then it worked. Someone in the S20 sub reddit mentioned it and a bunch of people had the issue as well.

Ya know I hate to bring it up but a scary thought occurred to me...
The gps issues make the find me app almost useless. God forbid you leave or your phone walks off.
If the gps doesn't track correctly that feature is not gonna be reliable.
I don't even know who to blame here...
The device the 5g???
Seems to be pretty obvious its a 5g issue. None of my 4g phones have the gps lock issue.
Why do they even integrate it into the data. Couldn't it run as a standalone? Its got its own antenea doesn't it?
This is so disappointing... i did NOT buy this phone for the 5g but it seems that it might ruin it for me.
My gps is pretty important to me.

socalstagetech said:
If the gps doesn't track correctly that feature is not gonna be reliable.
I don't even know who to blame here...
The device the 5g???
Seems to be pretty obvious its a 5g issue. None of my 4g phones have the gps lock issue.
Why do they even integrate it into the data. Couldn't it run as a standalone? Its got its own antenea doesn't it?
This is so disappointing... i did NOT buy this phone for the 5g but it seems that it might ruin it for me.
My gps is pretty important to me.
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"the 5g???" That's a valid assumption imo, 5G interference(stronger source) against GPS(weaker RF signals)

Scott said:
I had a OP 6T before this s20 Ultra. I had the same issued you did with my 6T as your McLaren.
I do think the Samsung is actually a little bit better than the 6T. The 6T would just randomly stop tracking me and place me on the next road over, etc.
The S20 just stops tracking for a moment then picks right back up. I see issues with it but not like I did with 6T. I also think moving from T-Mo to ATT gives me a more reliable data connection so GPS seems a little better.
I also use my phone for DoorDash and hate these GPS issues.
Some people never see the issue but run 4 to 10 hours a day with GPS and I see it all the time.
BUt to answer your question. Yep, it seems like Android 10 itself is the actual culprit. This is what I have read when I was the 6T. Dont know if there is any truth to that.
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I'm with tmo and sometimes I have these issues on my s10+. Tmo in Miami sucks. I'm also switching to at&t since they have better coverage in South Florida than Tmo.

I'm on the T-Mobile S20 Ultra.
I recently came from the OnePlus 7T Pro 5G McLaren edition. GPS would not lock on the McLaren 5G because of 5G. When you disabled it, it would start working again if connected on LTE or WIFI.
Considering someone above tried that already, it might be a few other things:
#1 - Depends on the GPS app you are using. Maps worked best with Google Location Services enabled. Waze has been wonky on all devices lately. It took me 10-15 seconds to get a lock last night as an example but it eventually locked on (unlike the OnePlus McLaren which could go forever until it did).
#2 - Software glitch. Just like the OnePlus McLaren, a patch will be released to fix the issues with GPS and 5G. It was an issue on a lot of 5G variants of phones.
#3 - 5G Interferes with GPS (rumor and speculation by others)

I have the same issue sometimes its fine and other times I'm 600 meters off to the north east. It feels random. When I plug my phone into my android auto it locks right on but according to gps status pro the device thinks its 600 meters off. So when I unplug it shoots me right back to the wrong location.

What’s weird is I used GPS on the phone to drive from Northern to Southern CA on Wednesday. Then I think on the last part of the trip, as I arrived in LA, the GPS lost and couldn’t maintain lock. Yesterday and today GPS lock was nonexistent driving around Ontario, Rialto areas of SoCal. Had to rely on map and directions of Waze and not tracking location.

My GPS is nearly flawless for me - best I have seen on any previous android - and very fast....

Geekser said:
My GPS is nearly flawless for me - best I have seen on any previous android - and very fast....
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You using The International Version? Because the problem is with the Snapdragon chipsets on the U.S. Phones. The Exynos chipsets in the International version don't have this problem.

US unlocked version here, mine is flawless as well
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Paul_Deemer said:
You using The International Version? Because the problem is with the Snapdragon chipsets on the U.S. Phones. The Exynos chipsets in the International version don't have this problem.
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G988U - Snapdragon - never had an Issue that I am aware of - when I run an apk to test GPS, I pickup all the satelites in seconds- it happens really quick and I haven't noticed any issues -
tell me how I can 'test it" to see if there are issues I am not aware of - but otherwise, it seems really good to me....

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G988U - Snapdragon - never had an Issue that I am aware of - when I run an apk to test GPS, I pickup all the satelites in seconds- it happens really quick and I haven't noticed any issues -
tell me how I can 'test it" to see if there are issues I am not aware of - but otherwise, it seems really good to me....
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Read Article below - If your GPS works fine then your not affected by this problem.
https://thedroidguy.com/galaxy-s20-gps-issues-1124687

Paul_Deemer said:
Read Article below - If your GPS works fine then your not affected by this problem.
https://thedroidguy.com/galaxy-s20-gps-issues-1124687
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I guess I am lucky then. I haven't really had any issues with this phone, aside from a little bit of the focus issues that were happening with the camera - those have seemed to gotten better too - and like most previous Samsung PHones the S20 ultra will only get better as more updates are released.
The screen shot below is from the GPS Test apk - in the past, if I tried doing a test indoors, it usualy took a few minutes to acquire satelights - but with my new S20 Ultra - I acquire satelights within seconds of opening the apk. It happens really fast for me....hope yours gets working better in the near future...
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I'm on the US Unlocked Snapdragon and i was definitely having GPS issues. I had GPS Status & Toolbox app installed with the Time to fix status enabled. Almost always between 60 to 90 seconds to get first fix even after doing it repetitively. After the latest firmware update i'm now getting an almost instant fix based on the GPS Status & Toolbox app. I was also having issues with WAZE not locking on for a long time. Google Maps seemed better. WAZE now locks on almost immediately.

Mate 20X EVR-L29 in USA

I was told that the 20x no longer works with any cellphone carriers in the US but I purchased a EVR-L29 model anyways and having them shipped over here in the states because I really like the phone for media consumption. I am just wondering if there is any current owners here in the US that can confirm or deny this fact.

I'm still using mine here in South Carolina with AT&T. No problems at all.

Still using mine with T-mobile

As long as your local carrier supports the LTE frequencies the EVR-L29 transmits and receives on then you are fine. The ban on Google and Android software on new Huawei hardware doesn't effect the functionality of phones manufactured before the ban. We have still have an EVR-L29 in our household in Canada and it still gets regular OTA updates and connected fine to local US carriers while we were in Boston and New York last week. I sold our my own EVR-L29 last year and have been using a Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra to get the faster 5g speeds, but the Mate 20 x is still my favorite phone and when ever I get a chance to take my wife's on the road with me.

frcraig said:
I sold our my own EVR-L29 last year and have been using a Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra to get the faster 5g speeds, but the Mate 20 x is still my favorite phone and when ever I get a chance to take my wife's on the road with me.
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I was strongly thinking about buying the note 20 ultra. Its better than the 20x except for screen size and aspect ratio, of course. But the note 20 ultra is an amazing phone with the best display on the planet. Still thinking about buying one and selling my mate 20x.

Deanro said:
I was strongly thinking about buying the note 20 ultra. Its better than the 20x except for screen size and aspect ratio, of course. But the note 20 ultra is an amazing phone with the best display on the planet. Still thinking about buying one and selling my mate 20x.
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The screen size and aspect ratio of the Mate 20 x have the Note Ultra 20 beat hands down. Whether it is reading a Kindle novel to pass time on a flight or reading articles on the internet, the Mate 20 x is just the right size for the job. Although on paper the dimensions of the Note 20 Ultra are not that much smaller, I find myself squinting a bit at the screen and often have to pinch to zoom. One advantage the Note 20 Ultra has that you wouldn't notice if you didn't switch back and forth between the models is the refresh rate. The adaptive 60 / 90 / 120 refresh rate on the Samsung product makes touch gestures buttery smooth - but I still prefer the increased screen real estate of the Huawei.

frcraig said:
The screen size and aspect ratio of the Mate 20 x have the Note Ultra 20 beat hands down. Whether it is reading a Kindle novel to pass time on a flight or reading articles on the internet, the Mate 20 x is just the right size for the job. Although on paper the dimensions of the Note 20 Ultra are not that much smaller, I find myself squinting a bit at the screen and often have to pinch to zoom. One advantage the Note 20 Ultra has that you wouldn't notice if you didn't switch back and forth between the models is the refresh rate. The adaptive 60 / 90 / 120 refresh rate on the Samsung product makes touch gestures buttery smooth - but I still prefer the increased screen real estate of the Huawei.
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What do you think about the Honor x30 max since its the same size and aspect ratio as the 20x?

Deanro said:
What do you think about the Honor x30 max since its the same size and aspect ratio as the 20x?
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The Honor has larger bezels and a taller aspect ratio resulting in less screen than the Huawei. I haven't seen a review of its camera set up, but the Huawei is still brilliant and for sound also has aptX HD. Huawei has been good about OTA updates for the Mate 20 x, continuing to treat it as a flagship phone. Makes life easier than side-loading Google apps on the Honor.

Steamer2499 said:
Still using mine with T-mobile
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This is not the 5G version correct? Also, what kinda of download and upload speeds do you get with Tmobile?

frcraig said:
The Honor has larger bezels and a taller aspect ratio resulting in less screen than the Huawei.
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Btw how's the battery on your note 20 ultra compared to the 20x?

My Mate 20 x gives me about six hour more use on a charge than the Note 20 Ultra, but I can fully charge the Note 20 Ultra in about forty minutes.

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My Mate 20 x gives me about six hour more use on a charge than the Note 20 Ultra, but I can fully charge the Note 20 Ultra in about forty minutes.
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That's strange. Most users report that the n20u gives more battery usage than the 20x. And 6 hours more with only 500 mah difference? That doesnt sound right.

Dvalin21 said:
This is not the 5G version correct? Also, what kinda of download and upload speeds do you get with Tmobile?
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Correct, no 5g. My up and down speeds r fine. T-mobile service here in SW Virginia has improved a lot over the last year including rural areas.

Deanro said:
I was strongly thinking about buying the note 20 ultra. Its better than the 20x except for screen size and aspect ratio, of course. But the note 20 ultra is an amazing phone with the best display on the planet. Still thinking about buying one and selling my mate 20x.
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I got rid of an S20+ because I didn't like the form factor. It's just taller than much lighter phones that have the same width. Pointless to get a tiny width phone like Note 20/21/22 Ultra phone - they are all the some width just some are taller and heavier. There is no use of the extra vertical space. Only reason for S22 ultra is for 1TB, but it's sold out anyway, and you can't root it for US version, and it's $1400 which is ridiculous, and you can't get the international yet, and still it's just a massive phone but not any wider than much lighter phones, defeating the purpose of making it heavier, they just make it taller and taller, soon we will have one that looks like a yard stick, thin and way too tall. They won't learn.

Deanro said:
That's strange. Most users report that the n20u gives more battery usage than the 20x. And 6 hours more with only 500 mah difference? That doesnt sound right.
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It's not strange. The resolution is much lower and so is the refresh rate. half the refresh and half the resolution makes it a 4x smaller screen to power, despite being a larger screen, so this gives the screen up to 4x battery life in that general example.

Hey, so I don't mean to hijack the thread, but ATT turned off their 3G network earlier this week and I can no longer make or receive calls on my EVR-L29. Just wondering if anyone had found a workaround to this issue. Are there any other Huawei phones of a similar size that will work with VoLTE? I also thought of another possible workaround by porting my ATT number to a Google voice account thereby forcing my phone to operate as a VoLTE device. I looked into it and it will cost a one time fee of twenty dollars a month to port over the number. I'm just not sure if it's going to work the way I want it to. Anyone have any thoughts? Thanks in once again, sorry to hijack the thread but I really don't know where else I can go to try and get some input regarding this issue.... And I really don't want to part with my beloved Mate 20X.

I have Verizon on my V30S, and I've tried a few different devices since then but stuck going back to V30S. It's still a great phone, I was just wanting a larger OLED display for reading. The Mate 20 X has it. It's the widest phone on the market.
I tried the S20+ (last Galaxy phone that has expandable storage), but I did not like it and returned it. Actually they sent me the 5G US model when I ordered the 4G international model on purpose, but since I had to return it anyway, I do not want another S20+, it's the same width as my V30, just taller and heavier, defeating the purpose.
I want text bigger on the screen which is why I want a wider phone, and there is no modern tablet that exists in that form factor with OLED, and the A7 Lite doesn't have OLED but the form factor is ok. I wish it were smaller. Debating keeping it.
But to keep this Mate 20 X I need to root it. A device that is not rootable has no use to me. There are too many essential things that I need root for.
As for using it on a US network, I got this phone mainly as a tablet, and I have an MVNO GSM sim that I haven't tried in this phone yet. I usually use wifi anyway, but I would need to have data to be practical to have this as a daily driver.
However, if 5G becomes a permanent thing, then because 5G gives me severe headaches, I will simply never be able to use data again, I will only use WIFI at home, and the only other essential thing I use data for is Google Maps, but I can get an offline maps app that will just just fine and when I'm in a store I can connect to their WIFI if I want to google something. And if that becomes a problem, I will change my way of life and not contact anyone when away from home, I'll keep a burner phone in my car if I have to for emergency use. That said, soon I will have to move out into the country in the middle of nowhere because all the cities have already rolled out 5G anyway.
For me, the purpose of a phone is as a media device, reading, and wifi use. I don't need cellular 99% of the time. Guess what, people used to use landlines and didn't have cell phones, and the world survived. I don't mind going back to a landline if I need that as a phone service. Smartphones I will use as computers, not cellular. My laptop does not have a cellular connection and doesn't need one. My smartphone doesn't either. It's a very minor convenience.

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It's not strange. The resolution is much lower and so is the refresh rate. half the refresh and half the resolution makes it a 4x smaller screen to power, despite being a larger screen, so this gives the screen up to 4x battery life in that general example.
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It is strange. The n20u has far better batt efficiency that the 20x since the n20u's software is specificaly tuned for best batt performance unlike the 20x whose software isnt geared towards such a standard. The n20u outshines the 20x in battery life. Your assessment of deriving 4x more batt life by a mere 500mah difference is very poor.

xbt- said:
But to keep this Mate 20 X I need to root it. A device that is not rootable has no use to me. There are too many essential things that I need root for.
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The problem with rooting it is you have to downgrade which is a pain in the ass in and of itself to say the least. Then the issue in going back to 9 is lack of universal dark mode for some apps - although most apps have that anyway. Plus, the o/s looks like outdated kit kat from ages ago and is much slower than 11.
What benefits were you expecting to derive from rooting it?

Deanro said:
The problem with rooting it is you have to downgrade which is a pain in the ass in and of itself to say the least. Then the issue in going back to 9 is lack of universal dark mode for some apps - although most apps have that anyway. Plus, the o/s looks like outdated kit kat from ages ago and is much slower than 11.
What benefits were you expecting to derive from rooting it?
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Ok, awesome. How do I downgrade? I've been trying to figure it out. My other phone is on 8.0, Android 9 is still an upgrade from that. This phone is 1,000,000 times more useful on an older OS than on a new OS I can't root.
I've written the benefits before, they are too numerous to list in a quick post, I could write for an hour about all the reasons. Almost all of them are essential to my use.
Can you help me get this downgraded?