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Haptic feedback motor noise

Hi guys. I’m staring this thread to ask for feedback on one specific issue – namely the noise produced by the haptic feedback motor over time (not rattling when shaking the phone etc.).
As I mentioned in another thread recently – my phone has slowly edged away from producing a nice tactile feedback ‘kick’ to making a more audible buzz with an irritatingly high pitch clicking sound thrown in for good measure. It’s still tolerable, but this has been a progressive issue that has intensified daily since I received the phone a few days ago.
I like having haptic feedback enabled for typing, so I’d like to know how the situation has progressed for others who have noticed the same thing (and left vibration enabled). Did it continue to get worse, or did it find a level after bedding in a bit?
Cheerrs,
Bugsy

I had this issue with my Desire HD, I got it replaced as the repair lead time was over 4 weeks. Either contact your retailer or HTC.

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I had the app quick settings by quickbit installed and upon uninstalling it and rebooting its now fine.you don't have quick settings installed by any chance?

BugsyLawson said:
Hi guys. I’m staring this thread to ask for feedback on one specific issue – namely the noise produced by the haptic feedback motor over time (not rattling when shaking the phone etc.).
As I mentioned in another thread recently – my phone has slowly edged away from producing a nice tactile feedback ‘kick’ to making a more audible buzz with an irritatingly high pitch clicking sound thrown in for good measure. It’s still tolerable, but this has been a progressive issue that has intensified daily since I received the phone a few days ago.
I like having haptic feedback enabled for typing, so I’d like to know how the situation has progressed for others who have noticed the same thing (and left vibration enabled). Did it continue to get worse, or did it find a level after bedding in a bit?
Cheerrs,
Bugsy
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I too had this problem with a white HTC one x. I got a doorstep exchange for a grey htc one x and am now having screen problems with this one too

BugsyLawson said:
Hi guys. I’m staring this thread to ask for feedback on one specific issue – namely the noise produced by the haptic feedback motor over time (not rattling when shaking the phone etc.).
As I mentioned in another thread recently – my phone has slowly edged away from producing a nice tactile feedback ‘kick’ to making a more audible buzz with an irritatingly high pitch clicking sound thrown in for good measure. It’s still tolerable, but this has been a progressive issue that has intensified daily since I received the phone a few days ago.
I like having haptic feedback enabled for typing, so I’d like to know how the situation has progressed for others who have noticed the same thing (and left vibration enabled). Did it continue to get worse, or did it find a level after bedding in a bit?
Cheerrs,
Bugsy
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Put it this way, I'm on my 6th One X now and EVERY single one has had this issue, sorta..

Had it on all 3 of mine (back in for repair again for screen issues).
Seems like a really poor quality motor is used.

Got it too. Started noticing it more after I heard this slight creak near the bottom right part of the phone. Starting to ignore it now. So far the only problem I've faced is this and a stuck/dead pixel.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1653220

Thanks for the info guys. My worries about the motor were confirmed last night. It reached a point where the motor started jamming randomly – requiring a shake or light tap on the side of the phone to get it spinning again.
Luckily I ended up ordering my phone from Amazon. They’re not always the cheapest, but I’ve always found their service good. I requested a return for my phone this morning, and about 10 minutes later I received confirmation that a new phone will be delivered tomorrow. The old one just needs to be returned (courier label already provided by them) before the end of the month to avoid getting billed for the replacement. Wish more companies were so hassle free!
Bugsy

More like it must have an awkward design, there's only one way you get a phone as skinny as an iPod WITH vibration.
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Metallic noise on vibration?

I have just received my HTC 10 (great phone overall) and vibration is really strong. Not ideal but not a massive problem, however haptic feedback is really annoying. You actually hear a metallic sound when you touch the fingerprint reader/home button or when typing in the keyboard, like a mild xylophone or something similar. And if the phone is sitting on a table it's very noticeable. Again it's not a typical vibration sound, it's more of a metallic thing. I was even wondering if the sound came from the speakers lol
Is this affecting other people? I wonder if if's just my handset.

xdn said:
I have just received my HTC 10 (great phone overall) and vibration is really strong. Not ideal but not a massive problem, however haptic feedback is really annoying. You actually hear a metallic sound when you touch the fingerprint reader/home button or when typing in the keyboard, like a mild xylophone or something similar. And if the phone is sitting on a table it's very noticeable. Again it's not a typical vibration sound, it's more of a metallic thing. I was even wondering if the sound came from the speakers lol
Is this affecting other people? I wonder if if's just my handset.
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Very interesting.
I always use power saver and don't prefer vibrate anyway but just checked it out and the noise is very odd.
Verizon variant

andybones said:
Very interesting.
I always use power saver and don't prefer vibrate anyway but just checked it out and the noise is very odd.
Verizon variant
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which is why i hate haptic feedbacks or vibrate

My Verizon variant does this as well. I describe it as kind of a hollow, metallic sound. I figured it was just due to the placement of the "vibrator(?)" within the metal frame.

I have just sent this unit back for replacement, let's see if the noise on the new one is any different.
I just read there are kernels which let you reduce the intensity of vibration (not just the duration like some keyboard apps do), this might be a workaround but you need a rooted device. If anyone gets to try this please share your results.

Hows the vibration motor?

I'm pretty picky about the strength and volume of my phones' vibration motors. I currently have the Note 8 and iPhone 7+ and I like how when I'm sitting in a meeting and receive a notification, everyone doesn't hear incessant buzzing going off in my pocket or bag. Previously owned the Pixel XL and felt it was a bit too loud for my preference. Can anyone provide any insight for the XL 2?

leet414 said:
I'm pretty picky about the strength and volume of my phones' vibration motors. I currently have the Note 8 and iPhone 7+ and I like how when I'm sitting in a meeting and receive a notification, everyone doesn't hear incessant buzzing going off in my pocket or bag. Previously owned the Pixel XL and felt it was a bit too loud for my preference. Can anyone provide any insight for the XL 2?
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IMO: Pixel 2 XL's vibration motor is more vibrate-less noise, than the Pixel XL vibration motor. In short, they got this right.
-jd

Thanks, that's what I was hoping for. October 24th can't come soon enough (barring any shipping delays)!

iPhone is still far better. But the Pixel 2 haptics are much better in terms of being less tinny... more of a deep vibration vs the original Pixel. Compared to the Note8, the Pixel 2 XL is a hair faster/sharper, but not as strong or deep in feel. This might be due to the intensity setting which isn't changeable in settings... will likely require root and a kernel to ramp up the intensity.

I personally am not a fan of it. It feels kinda cheap and weak, at least for haptic feedback when typing. Something I can deal with though. It does have the more vibrate less noise effect so I guess it is more functional for notifying you when in your pocket. I personally like the sharp and fast kind of vibration motors like my Nexus 6P had, although it wasn't very effective at notifying me when in my pocket, it just felt better when typing.

KHANrad_SIN said:
I personally am not a fan of it. It feels kinda cheap and weak, at least for haptic feedback when typing. Something I can deal with though. It does have the more vibrate less noise effect so I guess it is more functional for notifying you when in your pocket. I personally like the sharp and fast kind of vibration motors like my Nexus 6P had, although it wasn't very effective at notifying me when in my pocket, it just felt better when typing.
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I'd recommend you change the vibration strength of the keyboard then. If you're using the Google keyboard it can be found hnder preferences
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Nitemare3219 said:
iPhone is still far better. But the Pixel 2 haptics are much better in terms of being less tinny... more of a deep vibration vs the original Pixel. Compared to the Note8, the Pixel 2 XL is a hair faster/sharper, but not as strong or deep in feel. This might be due to the intensity setting which isn't changeable in settings... will likely require root and a kernel to ramp up the intensity.
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Using the phone for a few days now, I agree with Nitemare3219's assessment. Its definitely not as tinny as most other phones but it's not as deep as the i7+/N8 and it has resulted in me missing some calls bc I don't feel the vibration in my pocket. Wish it was stronger in intensity but not a deal breaker for me. There's so much else good about this thing over my other phones including: loud and even stereo speakers, insane battery life, no 4k video stuttering at all, and better still shots.

Serious question related to this thread: For those of you who have haptic feedback on for typing, etc. - why do you like this? Honestly it's one of the first things I do with every phone - turn that stuff off. Only time I like my phone to vibrate is when receiving a call or text.
Just curious as to what people like about it.

skw5115 said:
I'd recommend you change the vibration strength of the keyboard then. If you're using the Google keyboard it can be found hnder preferences
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I've tried, but it only increases the vibration duration not the actual strength. I know you can change the actual strength of the vibration with a custom kernel, it was possible with elementalX on the Nexus 6P so I'm holding out for that. Thanks for the suggestion though.

Not sure if this was something the original Pixel and Pixel XL (Or phones have been doing it for some time) did but I did notice that ‎it has an interesting haptic feedback that kind of mimics Apple's Force Touch with a vibration when pressing and releasing for the keyboard and back, home, and multitasking buttons. It's subtle but there. For notifications I find it strong enough. I keep my phone in my front left pocket.
I did come from the Nexus 5X and wasn't a fan of that motor.
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I like the haptic feedback of Pixel 2 XL but vibration upon calls or messages is too weak: if phone is layin down on a hard flat surface, when I receive a call I cannot either feel or hear at all the vibration.

thegios said:
I like the haptic feedback of Pixel 2 XL but vibration upon calls or messages is too weak: if phone is layin down on a hard flat surface, when I receive a call I cannot either feel or hear at all the vibration.
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It's relatively weak while typing or pressing the navigation buttons but I'm fine with that. Are you using it with or without a case? I hear vibrating notifications and calls pretty fine with my TPU case on. That's with regular ambient sounds and not in a busy office or anything.

thegios said:
I like the haptic feedback of Pixel 2 XL but vibration upon calls or messages is too weak: if phone is layin down on a hard flat surface, when I receive a call I cannot either feel or hear at all the vibration.
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Was the same way on the 6p. Hopefully the kernel Devs can address the issue as they did with the 6p :good:

No case. It's not normal that a phone made of hard material, laying on a harder surface, does not make the surface itself vibrate. I cannot even hear the vibration sound.

thegios said:
No case. It's not normal that a phone made of hard material, laying on a harder surface, does not make the surface itself vibrate. I cannot even hear the vibration sound.
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But if you can feel it in your pocket then it's doing the job. That's what ringtones and notification sounds are for. If you can't, then don't know what to say. It's not the strongest for sure but it's far from weak, at least on my unit.

Well I can feel it in the jeans pocket, not in the jacket pocket.

Its not samsung or iphone good. It still generate a bit of rattleing noise. But not too bad
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It doesn't rattle like the rubbish you get on my S8+ or HTC 10, and you can't hear it, as it's for feeling not hearing, but you feel it in your trousers which is where it's meant to be imho.

Weak vibration?

Is it me or vibration is very low?
I have 8.1 DP2 and if phone is on vibration and laying down on a flat hard surface, I cannot hear it at all.

I'm not sure if this will help with notifications, but the vibration strength can be set in gboard under preferences.

Right now Google has the best Haptic Engine/Motor in Android!
And it's more like Apple's "Taptic" Engine. But as far as your concern
I'm sure Google will add the "Strength" option back to settings menu or
just wait for a custom Kernel to be built with one.

I'm actually talking about vibration when receiving a call or a message

This is driving me nuts!!!
When phone is in vibration and laying on a hard flat surface, I cannot feel it... Unbeliveable!!!

thegios said:
This is driving me nuts!!!
When phone is in vibration and laying on a hard flat surface, I cannot feel it... Unbeliveable!!!
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I will second this. I just switched from my gs8+, still have it though. The vibration is next to worthless for receiving phone calls and text messages. You cannot even hear the vibration at all let alone feel the vibration in your pocket. It's pathetic and I'm considering returning the pixel 2 xl back to Verizon and going back the gs8+. It's that annoying. I've only been testing the pixel 2 xl for barely 24 hours.

Dutt1113 said:
I will second this. I just switched from my gs8+, still have it though. The vibration is next to worthless for receiving phone calls and text messages. You cannot even hear the vibration at all let alone feel the vibration in your pocket. It's pathetic and I'm considering returning the pixel 2 xl back to Verizon and going back the gs8+. It's that annoying. I've only been testing the pixel 2 xl for barely 24 hours.
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I can feel the vibration in my pocket. You can't hear it because you're not supposed to hear it. It's a decent motor rather than the old rattly crap you get on other phones. I feel the vibrate in my pocket better than my S8+ or my HTC 10.

samteeee said:
Right now Google has the best Haptic Engine/Motor in Android!
And it's more like Apple's "Taptic" Engine. But as far as your concern
I'm sure Google will add the "Strength" option back to settings menu or
just wait for a custom Kernel to be built with one.
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Google don't have the best Haptic feedback, far from it. it doesn't come close to iPhone X, best haptic feedback on Android pones is in LG V30. and there is so many places where LG uses haptic feedback. if I've to rate few phones which I've tried and rate there haptic feedback it would be like
1. iPhone X
2. LG V30
3. Pixel 2 XL
4 Samsung S9+ ( they uses haptic feedback very less, fingerprint sensor don't even give you any feedback which I don't like )
Oneplus 5T vibrates a lot. but OnePlus 5T vibrations makes you feel you using a cheap phone.

Again with the terrible Vibration Motor (Is it a software bug)

Is it possible the reason the motor sounds terrible is because of what Zach suggests from Jerryrig Everything,' that the motor is being pushed too hard because it is so small'
My thoughts:
Keyboard: Gboard: The haptic feedback isn't at it's worst but it's pretty erratic and has the notorious sandy rattling sound; it's subtle though
When being called or when vibration is applied for longer times: The vibrate motor is really really bad. It's erratic in frequency. Really erratic!
How can this be? That it behaves better with Gboard but not when activating from general touches and call notifications.
Is it possible to simply lower the voltage applied to the motor inside the OS itself?
Also note when the phone is on carpet the sound produced from the motor is damped and actually sounds like that soft fuzzy buzz we are all familiar with.
I can actually pinch my phone over the location of the motor and reduce the sound of the rattling motor.
Is it possible that the motor itself is simply "loose" or not secure enough for the amount that it is being pushed?
If it's going to be driven so hard can it be secured better?
Changing the TIME the motor is active for does not change it's frequency. Is there a way to change that, the actually frequency which would surely have to be done by change how much voltage is applied to the motor? OR I am not sure how Android handles these things...can we change the shape of the frequency; Sine, Square, Saw, etc. etc.
Seems I am a little late to the party but hearing MKBHD's initial review (quite some time ago) I just couldn't by this phone for +$700.00 Now that I have it in hand though I'd like to talk about it some. Specifically this issue.

I saw during a tear down video for our Razer phone that they commented that the motor is just too tiny. In my head I was thinking that it still doesn't make sense with the rattle noise. To me it sounds loose like you said. So with root, I was hoping that I could control the vibration strength like I could with the OnePlus I once owned and controlled through kernel adiutor under "misc". However it makes no difference at all.

Interesting
Munk0 said:
I saw during a tear down video for our Razer phone that they commented that the motor is just too tiny. In my head I was thinking that it still doesn't make sense with the rattle noise. To me it sounds loose like you said. So with root, I was hoping that I could control the vibration strength like I could with the OnePlus I once owned and controlled through kernel adiutor under "misc". However it makes no difference at all.
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Wow really!? I'm fairly surprised. Because it does so well at other times and then did exactly just as horrendous at others. That's why I don't understand why it is good at some points but bad at others.
That's pretty interesting. So, your Razer still had the erratic vibrating too? What were you able to control, and change?
I'm really surprised it had no effect unless it literally is just loose. Which I'm not quite brave enough to do that.
But yeah what did you find? Got a link?

SolCanis said:
Got a link?
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Here's the YouTube video where they tear down the Razer Phone and talk about the tiny vibrator motor within the handset:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUVG7_uDWSg&t=6s
For the Kernel Aduitor program you can find that here:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.grarak.kerneladiutor&hl=en_US
Basically under "Misc" there is a setting for the vibrator strength but changing it from 0 to 100 makes no difference it still is full force and rattles. Sad. Such a beautiful phone and such a horrible vibrator motor. I honestly want to just turn it off it possible.
What was cool is that the heat pipe used in the Razer is truly a nice big one. As Jerry put it in the video "This might be the biggest heat pipe I've ever seen in a cell phone".