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There are a small amount of phones that have band 12 support through updates. Their respective specifications usually don't include band 12 support, though looking around states band 12 support can be enabled via an update.
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Currently, the zenfone 2 states no band 12 support. Is there any way of looking into the phone itself to see if it has band 12 capabilities? Crossing my fingers for this, as this phone is super slick and powerful for an awesome price, and as a T-mobile user, lack of band 12 support is the only thing holding this phone back from purchase. most current band 12 capable phones are either lackluster in features, or too expensive.
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There are a small amount of phones that have band 12 support through updates. Their respective specifications usually don't include band 12 support, though looking around states band 12 support can be enabled via an update.
way t
Currently, the zenfone 2 states no band 12 support. Is there any way of looking into the phone itself to see if it has band 12 capabilities? Crossing my fingers for this, as this phone is super slick and powerful for an awesome price, and as a T-mobile user, lack of band 12 support is the only thing holding this phone back from purchase. most current band 12 capable phones are either lackluster in features, or too expensive.
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Hey! Are you in an area that doesn't support T-Mobile 1700/2100 MHz AWS (band 4)?
I think i read somewhere on the tmobile forum, they use main band 4 and 2 being implemented.
Zenfone 2 supports both, I just got mine US version today and the LTE is working for me.
Please see the ZenFone 2 support band list - http://www.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/1011352/
USA T-MOBILE FREQUENCY: BAND 2 (1900MHZ), BAND 4 (1700/2100 MHZ), BAND 12 (700 MHZ)
USA T-MOBILE NETWORK FAQS - https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-4988
USA T-MOBILE CUSTOMER SERVICE - 877-746-0909
ZenFone Quick Service - http://www.asus.com/us/support/self-service/11/
FAQ: http://www.asus.com/us/Phones/ZenFone_2_ZE551ML/HelpDesk_knowledge/
Sincerely,
ASUS_USA
cocopwr said:
Hey! Are you in an area that doesn't support T-Mobile 1700/2100 MHz AWS (band 4)?
I think i read somewhere on the tmobile forum, they use main band 4 and 2 being implemented.
Zenfone 2 supports both, I just got mine US version today and the LTE is working for me.
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i live and travel between stockton, CA; Sacramento, CA; and Tracy, CA. signal is OK for the most part, though in some areas it leaves a bit to be desired. Currently using a Nexus 5. Through the LTE discovery app I know my phone typically picks up band 4. not sure about band 2. There are some indoor areas like buildings that aren't all that great on tmobile in my area. my local best buy for instance instantly drops to low signal the second i step in the store, even though right outside is full bars. driving along the freeway in certain areas deem little to now signal sometimes as well.
I'm not here to complain about my tmobile service. Just trying to ensure future proofing of my phone purchase hoping that band 12 would improve those situations.
Asus_USA said:
Please see the ZenFone 2 support band list - http://www.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/1011352/
USA T-MOBILE FREQUENCY: BAND 2 (1900MHZ), BAND 4 (1700/2100 MHZ), BAND 12 (700 MHZ)
USA T-MOBILE NETWORK FAQS - https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-4988
USA T-MOBILE CUSTOMER SERVICE - 877-746-0909
ZenFone Quick Service - http://www.asus.com/us/support/self-service/11/
FAQ: http://www.asus.com/us/Phones/ZenFone_2_ZE551ML/HelpDesk_knowledge/
Sincerely,
ASUS_USA
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If your a legitimate Asus rep, then that is a bummer the lack of band 12 support. I've already been to those pages and checked again. I just wanted to see if band 12 was possibly hidden somehow, as it seemed to be the case with a 2-3 other handsets since theyre only activated via software updates.
Thanks for the replying.
I am confused, it looks like the USA version does do Band 12
see below bolded:
USA T-MOBILE FREQUENCY: BAND 2 (1900MHZ), BAND 4 (1700/2100 MHZ), BAND 12 (700 MHZ)
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I am confused, it looks like the USA version does do Band 12
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USA T-MOBILE FREQUENCY: BAND 2 (1900MHZ), BAND 4 (1700/2100 MHZ), BAND 12 (700 MHZ)
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Nah man, he/she is just stating those are the frequencies T-Mobile operate on, not frequencies of Zenfone 2 itself. See the link right above it for the zenfone 2 supported band list.
That would be nice though. I've already read several sites stating that it does not support band 12. The point of my post was to find out if there was any way to find out on the device itself (via owners of a Zenfone 2) to see if it was somehow hidden in there. Specs for the Galaxy Avant, Xperia X3, and the ZTE Zmax I don't think initially listed band 12 support in their specs, but now supposedly they will have it enabled via their respective software updates. I was crossing my fingers hoping a similar thing would happen with the Zenfone 2.
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The point of my post was to find out if there was any way to find out on the device itself (via owners of a Zenfone 2) to see if it was somehow hidden in there.
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Clearly the phone itself supports the 700 freq (Band 17) which is also where Band 12 operates. Does that require a hardware change? I dunno.
http://www.tmonews.com/2015/03/t-mobile-could-gain-from-atts-band-17-and-band-12-lte-network-interoperating/
US variant of ZE551ML does support Band 12. The LTE Discovery app revealed I was on Band 12 while using the T-Mobile service in Rancho Cucamonga, California. Going east from there, I was on Band 4 or 2, but then again, T-Mobile's rollout is just starting in Southern California.
That's really interesting Armchair. Band 12 is NOT listed anywhere in Asus' specs. I wonder if the latest OTA update kicked it in? Do you know what firmware you're running? B12 support is the only thing holding me back from the Zfone.
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That's really interesting Armchair. Band 12 is NOT listed anywhere in Asus' specs. I wonder if the latest OTA update kicked it in? Do you know what firmware you're running? B12 support is the only thing holding me back from the Zfone.
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It's really great news either ways, the last 551 update was mostly US stuff.
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RealSkier said:
That's really interesting Armchair. Band 12 is NOT listed anywhere in Asus' specs. I wonder if the latest OTA update kicked it in? Do you know what firmware you're running? B12 support is the only thing holding me back from the Zfone.
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When I bought the phone from Amazon on June 25, 2015, Band 12 was listed in the US spec. Otherwise I would not have bought it at all because I wanted that availability. Now that I go back to the Amazon product page to get a screenshot, I see the entry has been altered to remove Band 12. However, today I'll make a trip to Rancho Cucamonga (not far from me, really), and screenshot the LTE Discovery screen when it shows the phone connecting to Band 12. (Pics or GTFO, right? )
Box Codes:
ZE551ML, BLACK, LTE,D
INTEL MRF Z3580(2.3Ghz),4G,64GB EMMC
ANDROID US,5.5" 5M/13M,N/A
Other notes of reference: When the phone arrived, the firmware was WW 2.18.40.12. I OTA updated to 2.19.40.18 then rooted (using Method 3) and unlocked the bootloader. Did not remove any system apps nor install any custom recovery. I have OTA updated twice since then, keeping root and unlocked bootloader. Currently at WW 2.19.40.22, under which I can connect to Band 12 towers. Did not tinker with the telephony settings or make any other unauthorized changes other than rooting and unlocking the bootloader.
So Asus snuck in support for Band 12 in a firmware update? Very nice Asus. Very nice indeed.
ArmchairWizard said:
When I bought the phone from Amazon on June 25, 2015, Band 12 was listed in the US spec. Otherwise I would not have bought it at all because I wanted that availability. Now that I go back to the Amazon product page to get a screenshot, I see the entry has been altered to remove Band 12. However, today I'll make a trip to Rancho Cucamonga (not far from me, really), and screenshot the LTE Discovery screen when it shows the phone connecting to Band 12. (Pics or GTFO, right? )
Box Codes:
ZE551ML, BLACK, LTE,D
INTEL MRF Z3580(2.3Ghz),4G,64GB EMMC
ANDROID US,5.5" 5M/13M,N/A
Other notes of reference: When the phone arrived, the firmware was WW 2.18.40.12. I OTA updated to 2.19.40.18 then rooted (using Method 3) and unlocked the bootloader. Did not remove any system apps nor install any custom recovery. I have OTA updated twice since then, keeping root and unlocked bootloader. Currently at WW 2.19.40.22, under which I can connect to Band 12 towers. Did not tinker with the telephony settings or make any other unauthorized changes other than rooting and unlocking the bootloader.
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Screenshot taken near the intersection of Foothill Blvd & I-15 in California. LTE Discovery app showing connected to T-Mobile on a Band 12 tower using the ZenFone 2 (ASUS_Z00AD).
I've asked both TMO & Asus for confirmation. TMO basically said since it's not "native" it's not something they can confirm as working or not. Asus has yet to respond to my query period.
UPDATE: Got a reply from Asus. AsusUSA support on Twitter said they are unable to find any substantial data to verify Band 12 support for TMO.
UPDATE -- Official reply from ASUS
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So Asus snuck in support for Band 12 in a firmware update? Very nice Asus. Very nice indeed.
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Thank you for contacting ASUS Customer Loyalty. Currently there is no support for this band and no confirmation if it will be added in the future.
I believe it is limited in the hardware. Unfortunately it's not supported.
So looks no Zenfone 2 for me any time soon. What an OTA unsupported update can give, it can also take away.
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Screenshot taken near the intersection of Foothill Blvd & I-15 in California. LTE Discovery app showing connected to T-Mobile on a Band 12 tower using the ZenFone 2 (ASUS_Z00AD).
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Are you still able to connect on band 12 with newer firmware? I haven't seen a single one yet and have definitely been in known-deployed areas.
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Are you still able to connect on band 12 with newer firmware? I haven't seen a single one yet and have definitely been in known-deployed areas.
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On .90 I was able to connect to B12 in the same spot as before as well as other locations around Rancho Cucamonga but I didn't take a screenshot of the LTE Discovery app for proof as a few threads here and in other forums have made it clear that T-Mobile will not support B12 on non-branded (read: noncustomized firmware) phones. Since then, the display has developed the infamous lines and fading issues as recorded by others and I have RMA'd the phone. Using a branded burner phone until all is resolved.
Damn looks like the issue is lack of support for volte.
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Damn looks like the issue is lack of support for volte.
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So the repaired phone has returned to me and I've regained my stride. (Physical part was replaced and not a word about the unlocked bootloader.) Went back to that intersection today and took a screenshot of LTE Discovery just for you.
Firmware: WW 2.20.40.97
Rooted & bootloader unlocked.
No other modifications.
Hello, I have a OnePlus 3 and have Sprint. Not realizing the device only supports GSM out of the box i found this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s5/general/how-to-add-rf-lte-frequency-bands-to-t2886059
Here one person was able to enable band 20 on a OnePlus One. I was wondering if it is at all possible to enable bands 10 or 1 for Sprint 3G. Or better yet bands 25, 26, 41.
I was also wondering, if I were to attempt this is there a risk of ruining the phone?
I recall band 20 was unable to be activated on the OPO as the device simply was not provisioned with a radio for that band.
Modding will not overcome hardware deficiencies.
Is Sprint a CDMA carrier? OnePlus do not support CDMA at all as the US is the only significant country using that outdated technology.
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I recall band 20 was unable to be activated on the OPO as the device simply was not provisioned with a radio for that band.
Modding will not overcome hardware deficiencies.
Is Sprint a CDMA carrier? OnePlus do not support CDMA at all as the US is the only significant country using that outdated technology.
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would there be any way to enable wcdma 3g through sprint or should I sell the phone.
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would there be any way to enable wcdma 3g through sprint or should I sell the phone.
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I do not think so.
First, I am assuming you have the international OPO. Go to willmyphonework.net and see for yourself; your phone is totally incompatible with Sprint. Even 2G bands are not available under its standard configuration.
At this stage you have two choices, return the phone for exchange/sell it or try and edit the hardware settings to make more bands available.
If you bought it new I would just return it rather than modifying the hardware setup.
If you want to tinker with it, you need to start here and also here and see will they unlock the bands you need.
Basically, follow the guides exactly and tick every radio band that appears in the programme and hopefully the bands for Sprint is among those available for your hardware.
I think I tried to activate band 20 4G and it did not seem to work. I have the international OPO.
The OP in the first link is a Chinese model, but the steps are the same.
To quote from the 2nd link I posted:
It will theoretically unlock:
GSM: DCS-1800/P-GSM/E-GSM/GSM-850/Railways-900/PCS-1900
WCDMA: Band I to XI
LTE: Band 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 13, 17, 19, 20, 21
PS: Even if they're theoretically enabled, some band cannot be used because of hardware limitation...
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Even though all the above seem to be available to activate, some work, and some do not. [band 20 has a strikethrough, for example]
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I do not think so.
First, I am assuming you have the international OPO. Go to willmyphonework.net and see for yourself; your phone is totally incompatible with Sprint. Even 2G bands are not available under its standard configuration.
At this stage you have two choices, return the phone for exchange/sell it or try and edit the hardware settings to make more bands available.
If you bought it new I would just return it rather than modifying the hardware setup.
If you want to tinker with it, you need to start here and also here and see will they unlock the bands you need.
Basically, follow the guides exactly and tick every radio band that appears in the programme and hopefully the bands for Sprint is among those available for your hardware.
I think I tried to activate band 20 4G and it did not seem to work. I have the international OPO.
The OP in the first link is a Chinese model, but the steps are the same.
To quote from the 2nd link I posted:
Even though all the above seem to be available to activate, some work, and some do not. [band 20 has a strikethrough, for example]
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I believe you need the right. Qcn from the model phone with the supported bands you want for this guide. With respect to the oneplus 3.
I'm curious to know what model people received direct from Moto in the US. My Z Play was given as a gift and bought from Best Buy, but it's XT1635-02, which I keep reading is an International model.
For those in the US that bought direct from Motorola, what's your model number?
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I'm curious to know what model people received direct from Moto in the US. My Z Play was given as a gift and bought from Best Buy, but it's XT1635-02, which I keep reading is an International model.
For those in the US that bought direct from Motorola, what's your model number?
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The same XT 1635-02...
I ordered my Moto Z Play Droid direct from Motorola, and got model number XT1635-01
XT1635-01 is the Verizon US variant, XT1635-02 is the US AND international varaints, XT1635-03 is the chinese variant. XT1635-02 can be either dual or single sim, and only differs in the software channels(retus, reteu, retla, etc). I think XT1635-03 is dual sim only, but im not sure. If you want to confirm your device is for the US market, go to settings > About phone and check the software channel which should read retus.
Seems silly that they would use the same model number for different regions with different band support. Confusing
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Seems silly that they would use the same model number for different regions with different band support. Confusing
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All XT1635-02 variants support the same GSM bands. XT1635-03 supports the chinese WCDMA bands and probably some GSM bands. XT1635-01 supports US CDMA bands and some GSM bands. Arguably motorola probably just disabled the CDMA and WCDMA bands on the XT1635-02 so that people would actually buy the phone from verizon as opposed to buying it from the manufacturer. Which verizon made a deal with them to try and grab more customers by saying "Look at this innovative new phone! Only here at Verizon!" as is clearly obvious by the phone being exclucive for a few months before international release.
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All XT1635-02 variants support the same GSM bands. XT1635-03 supports the chinese WCDMA bands and probably some GSM bands. XT1635-01 supports US CDMA bands and some GSM bands. Arguably motorola probably just disabled the CDMA and WCDMA bands on the XT1635-02 so that people would actually buy the phone from verizon as opposed to buying it from the manufacturer. Which verizon made a deal with them to try and grab more customers by saying "Look at this innovative new phone! Only here at Verizon!" as is clearly obvious by the phone being exclucive for a few months before international release.
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Perhaps, but that doesn't support why the Europe and USA versions of the unlocked XT1635-02 have different band support. Seems like this wouldn't have anything to do with Verizon exclusivity, and if the hardware support is there, why not make all bands available for true world support?
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Perhaps, but that doesn't support why the Europe and USA versions of the unlocked XT1635-02 have different band support. Seems like this wouldn't have anything to do with Verizon exclusivity, and if the hardware support is there, why not make all bands available for true world support?
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Checking motorola's site on the band support, XT1632-02 retus supports UMTS band 1700, reteu does not, however reteu support LTE bands 25 and 41, while retus does not. One of the reasons companies love proprietary software is because they can get away with doing things they dont want you to know about. Motorola can disable select bands on different variants and knows you have no way of enabling them (or even knowing if you can) since you do not have access to their source code. I cannot say for 100% sure that every variant supports the same bands hardware wise, but it would cost motorola more money to manufacture the phone with 3 or 4 different radios than it would be to just include 1 radio and then disable what they dont want you to access. The support I have that they do use this practice is because all XT1635-02 still have the pins for a second sim even on the single sim models. This would reduce manufacturing costs by skipping an unneeded step of seperating the phones between dual and single sim. On the Moto X Play some people were even able to activate the second sim on single sim only models. If you were around during the Nexus 4 era, Google intentionally disabled 4G LTE on that phone for seemingly no reason. Devs were able to figure that out and were able to unlock the 4G LTE capabilities. About Verizon exclucivity, if motorola disables the CDMA bands on their international model, you have to buy your phone from verizon if you want to use it on verizon. Lenovo (Motorola) has had big success with verizon exclucives from their droid series and they want to keep it that way. So in order to make costumers keep buying Droid phones they make it so that you have buy from verizon if you want CDMA support or you're SOL. This also allows verizon to lock down what CDMA carriers the phone can be used on (Which currently is only verizon AFAIK). Why they dont just enable all bands on all models is a good question, but once again it could have to do with the Verizon exclucivity because remember the verizon model was the first to be released. You had to buy the phone from verizon or motorola in order to get it which helps the Droid series sell. Releasing the phone 3 months later with global support could hurt the Droid series and potentially piss of customers.
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Checking motorola's site on the band support, XT1632-02 retus supports UMTS band 1700, reteu does not, however reteu support LTE bands 25 and 41, while retus does not. One of the reasons companies love proprietary software is because they can get away with doing things they dont want you to know about. Motorola can disable select bands on different variants and knows you have no way of enabling them (or even knowing if you can) since you do not have access to their source code. I cannot say for 100% sure that every variant supports the same bands hardware wise, but it would cost motorola more money to manufacture the phone with 3 or 4 different radios than it would be to just include 1 radio and then disable what they dont want you to access. The support I have that they do use this practice is because all XT1635-02 still have the pins for a second sim even on the single sim models. This would reduce manufacturing costs by skipping an unneeded step of seperating the phones between dual and single sim. On the Moto X Play some people were even able to activate the second sim on single sim only models. If you were around during the Nexus 4 era, Google intentionally disabled 4G LTE on that phone for seemingly no reason. Devs were able to figure that out and were able to unlock the 4G LTE capabilities. About Verizon exclucivity, if motorola disables the CDMA bands on their international model, you have to buy your phone from verizon if you want to use it on verizon. Lenovo (Motorola) has had big success with verizon exclucives from their droid series and they want to keep it that way. So in order to make costumers keep buying Droid phones they make it so that you have buy from verizon if you want CDMA support or you're SOL. This also allows verizon to lock down what CDMA carriers the phone can be used on (Which currently is only verizon AFAIK).
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Thanks for the detailed info.
One weird thing is this: according to http://willmyphonework.net/ the unlocked USA version of the Moto Z Play has partial T-Mobile 3G and 4G support, while the unlocked Europe version has partial T-Mobile 3G support and full 4G support. However the unlocked Mexico version apparently has full 2G/3G/4G support. ??? Sounds like the USA version is actually the worst in terms of band support for T-Mobile.
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Thanks for the detailed info.
One weird thing is this: according to http://willmyphonework.net/ the unlocked USA version of the Moto Z Play has partial T-Mobile 3G and 4G support, while the unlocked Europe version has partial T-Mobile 3G support and full 4G support. However the unlocked Mexico version apparently has full 2G/3G/4G support. ??? Sounds like the USA version is actually the worst in terms of band support for T-Mobile.
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Funny enough on their motorola's own website, they say the US version only has partial support for AT&T and full support for T-Mobile. https://www.motorola.com/us/carrier-compatibility I guess we'll never know whats going through the minds of the people at Lenovo. I also added a bit to my previous post about the global bit of your question.
Something to remember is that for most handset manufacturers, the carrier is their customer, not you. When handset manufacturers have a new phone to sell, they hand-make some prototypes and hawk them around the carriers (networks). If the network likes it, they will usually say "I'll only take it if it has this, this and this, and has that, that and that removed". Manufacturer then does some horse trading, hence "that would be uneconomic to remove from hardware, but we can disable it in the firmware".
Eventually they reach agreement and the network says "deal, I'll take 500,00" (for example) and agrees the payment. It's those advance payments (or borrowing against them) that fund the cost of production, and hopefully leave some profit left over for the manufacturer. This is why what the networks want always takes precedence - international unlocked sales are always a complete unknown, and usually a very small part of total sales. For most handset manufacturers, it's those exclusive deals with networks that keep the lights on. Only the iPhone ever bucked that trend, by being seen as a single product with such high demand that it gave the manufacturer more power than the networks. Android phones are divided between lots of different models and multiple manufacturers, which means that the manufacturer's bargaining power for a single model is very limited.
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Funny enough on their motorola's own website, they say the US version only has partial support for AT&T and full support for T-Mobile. https://www.motorola.com/us/carrier-compatibility I guess we'll never know whats going through the minds of the people at Lenovo. I also added a bit to my previous post about the global bit of your question.
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Are you saying the info on the moto site isn't 100% correct? I wanted to get one of these for AT&T but it shows it is only somewhat compatible compared to Tmobile i
also see no checkmark by republic wireless, but I know for a fact RW is selling them on their website, and there is even a RW promo taking place in a few days with the z play
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Are you saying the info on the moto site isn't 100% correct? I wanted to get one of these for AT&T but it shows it is only somewhat compatible compared to Tmobile i
also see no checkmark by republic wireless, but I know for a fact RW is selling them on their website, and there is even a RW promo taking place in a few days with the z play
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I have AT&T and am having no issues with signal. I get EDGE, HSPA, HSPA+, and LTE. I actually get better signal on AT&T than I did on verizon on my Moto X Pure (AT&T also costs me almost 3x less as well ). AT&T uses LTE bands 2, 4, 5, 17, and recently (from what ive heard) 12. XT1635-02 retus supports all of those bands (it lists supported bands on the box).
We know 1st gen Pixel has two version: NA and RoW(Rest of world) , but i found UK and AU store website which should be the "RoW version" has exactly the same radio band support as as US store version .
So this year Pixel 2 seems only have one version for all ? or is it just wrong info on the spec page? I'm confused.
It's the same version sold worldwide.
its good if it is, as then everyone gets all the bands so you can travel anywhere with the phone. seems only difference will be project-fi in the US using an esim.
It's cheaper for the to make only one version for everyone
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Yes, of course it's cheaper to make only one version, but so far no company managed to integrate support for 21 LTE bands and all possible carrier aggregation combinations used in US/EU/Asia.
Not even Apple (who like to save cost more than any other company I have dealt with).
It all results in extra antennas and radio front-end components that need extra space and cost extra money.
Congratulations to Google/Qualcomm/LG/HTC if they actually managed it this time
Last year I bought the US version which didn't work well with my China Telecom... I'm glad this year they only make one model to fit all...
Yep, one stop international device shopping is the best way to go...
okgnew said:
Yes, of course it's cheaper to make only one version, but so far no company managed to integrate support for 21 LTE bands and all possible carrier aggregation combinations used in US/EU/Asia.
Not even Apple (who like to save cost more than any other company I have dealt with).
It all results in extra antennas and radio front-end components that need extra space and cost extra money.
Congratulations to Google/Qualcomm/LG/HTC if they actually managed it this time
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The Xiaomi Mi Mix 2 has 43 International LTE bands including all the US ones
The OnePlus 5 does too
FMXP said:
The Xiaomi Mi Mix 2 has 43 International LTE bands including all the US ones
The OnePlus 5 does too
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Does it also support all possible carrier aggregation band pairings?
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Does it also support all possible carrier aggregation band pairings?
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okgnew said:
Yes, of course it's cheaper to make only one version, but so far no company managed to integrate support for 21 LTE bands and all possible carrier aggregation combinations used in US/EU/Asia.
Not even Apple (who like to save cost more than any other company I have dealt with).
It all results in extra antennas and radio front-end components that need extra space and cost extra money.
Congratulations to Google/Qualcomm/LG/HTC if they actually managed it this time
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The Pixel 2 XL supports 4G pretty much anywhere in the world.
Carrier-aggregation might be another story though, the USA and EU models might differ in what bands they can combine.
Google hasn't mentioned what bands are supported for C-A so we don't know yet. If anyone was thinking about getting the phone in the USA I'd hold of for just a bit until it's been clarified.
I live in Japan and was waiting for Pixel 2 for ages, was super disappointed that they are not only failing to sell this here, but didn't include the appropriate bands for Japan. Bands 1/3 will work and you'll just have **** coverage if you're in a basement or out in the country, which is good enough I guess for a tourist. I ended up buying last year's Pixel after waiting a year for the 2.
I just came across this today after digging for info on the Pixel v1 I just got. Not sure if I'll be more or less annoyed if I find out the Pixel 2 really does secretly support other bands.
Edit: Bands 19 & 21 are what I need to full coverage.
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I live in Japan and was waiting for Pixel 2 for ages, was super disappointed that they are not only failing to sell this here, but didn't include the appropriate bands for Japan. Bands 1/3 will work and you'll just have **** coverage if you're in a basement or out in the country, which is good enough I guess for a tourist. I ended up buying last year's Pixel after waiting a year for the 2.
I just came across this today after digging for info on the Pixel v1 I just got. Not sure if I'll be more or less annoyed if I find out the Pixel 2 really does secretly support other bands.
Edit: Bands 19 & 21 are what I need to full coverage.
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Usually I use this website to check for phone's coverage: http://willmyphonework.net/
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Usually I use this website to check for phone's coverage: http://willmyphonework.net/
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Thanks - but I know what bands I need and I know what the Google reports the phone as having.
The issue is there's a dependency between what GCF reports and what Google claims.
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Thanks - but I know what bands I need and I know what the Google reports the phone as having.
The issue is there's a dependency between what GCF reports and what Google claims.
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You mean possibly Google has disabled some bands?
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You mean possibly Google has disabled some bands?
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Yes that seems to be a possibility. So, they may be able to be enabled with a different modem firmware if so, though I don't want to get back into the constantly fighting to keep my phone updated with unsupported software.
Sadly,they drop the LTE band39 support this year, Living in China , and this is one of the bands China Mobile use in my city. B3/B38/B40/B41 are the other bands China Mobile using. So it should be some coverage problem especially in tunnel or subway.
Hey Everyone,
Currently have a Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 on AT&T, but recently got the notification that AT&T is shutting down their 3G network and my phone will not be usable. Looking at switching to another carrier/MVNO and was considering between the POCO F3 and RealMe GT 5G.
Can anyone recommend carriers/MVNOs where these phones would possibly work on. I know frequency checker/Kimovil provide the compatible bands. But considering both phones don't have Band 71, I just wanted to check if anyone has been able to use these phones on US carriers and if so how did you go about getting the phones activated with the carriers.
Thanks
Rankone21 said:
Hey Everyone,
Currently have a Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 on AT&T, but recently got the notification that AT&T is shutting down their 3G network and my phone will not be usable. Looking at switching to another carrier/MVNO and was considering between the POCO F3 and RealMe GT 5G.
Can anyone recommend carriers/MVNOs where these phones would possibly work on. I know frequency checker/Kimovil provide the compatible bands. But considering both phones don't have Band 71, I just wanted to check if anyone has been able to use these phones on US carriers and if so how did you go about getting the phones activated with the carriers.
Thanks
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Well I'm Att and I just ordered the Poco f3 a couple of hours ago. So by next week I'll be able to tell you. I was going to go with the real me gt but didn't because the global model can't be bootloader unlocked and that to me means a no go. If I can't root it I don't want it. It's only a little bit better with specs it has the 888 and 65 watt charging which makes me a little jealous but I have to have viper4 android on my phone so I went Poco f3.
What band do you use for 4g lte? I use band 4 and it's never been a issue. I don't plan on 5g because I barely get 4g where I live
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Well I'm Att and I just ordered the Poco f3 a couple of hours ago. So by next week I'll be able to tell you. I was going to go with the real me gt but didn't because the global model can't be bootloader unlocked and that to me means a no go. If I can't root it I don't want it. It's only a little bit better with specs it has the 888 and 65 watt charging which makes me a little jealous but I have to have viper4 android on my phone so I went Poco f3.
What band do you use for 4g lte? I use band 4 and it's never been a issue. I don't plan on 5g because I barely get 4g where I live
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Thanks for the response Techguy, I would be interested in knowing how it works out for you.
Considering that the Redmi Note 5 Global version only has Bands 4 & 5 for 4G, and Bands 2 & 5 for 3G, I believe it is running on HSPA+ on AT&T Prepaid mostly, as I only get the 4G symbol, not 4G LTE.
I did see for the RealMe and Poco F3, most of the 4G bands are supported on GoogleFI, just no 5G.
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Thanks for the response Techguy, I would be interested in knowing how it works out for you.
Considering that the Redmi Note 5 Global version only has Bands 4 & 5 for 4G, and Bands 2 & 5 for 3G, I believe it is running on HSPA+ on AT&T Prepaid mostly, as I only get the 4G symbol, not 4G LTE.
I did see for the RealMe and Poco F3, most of the 4G bands are supported on GoogleFI, just no 5G.
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What 5g band do you need? It has n1,n3, n5, n8, n20 and n28, n41, n77, n78
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What 5g band do you need? It has n1,n3, n5, n8, n20 and n28, n41, n77, n78
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Oh I just meant for GoogleFI, I don't think they have 5G currently not sure, as kimovil says Not Available. For AT&T and T-Mobile, it was 1 of the 3(AT&T) and 1 of the 4(T-Mobile) in terms of 5G bands.
However I'd be interested in knowing how you go about getting this activated on AT&T since it isn't on their Whitelist of phones that they are trying to limit users to.
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Oh I just meant for GoogleFI, I don't think they have 5G currently not sure, as kimovil says Not Available. For AT&T and T-Mobile, it was 1 of the 3(AT&T) and 1 of the 4(T-Mobile) in terms of 5G bands.
However I'd be interested in knowing how you go about getting this activated on AT&T since it isn't on their Whitelist of phones that they are trying to limit users to.
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Im actually getting a free sim card from the government phone through SafeLink but SafeLink is a smaller part of ATT as that's what my sim reads as 4g band Att and I always buy unlocked phones with band 4 and put it in and it works. Nexus 6, S10lite international, moto G4, S7 and S7 edge both all of them same card just insert.
You don't understand they don't whitelist phones they are just saying these ones they know will work with volte and others will to they won't look at every phone. They won't say Poco f3 or realme because they want to sell Samsung and apple not Poco f3. It's money but if it has the band it'll work
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You don't understand they don't whitelist phones they are just saying these ones they know will work with volte and others will to they won't look at every phone. They won't say Poco f3 or realme because they want to sell Samsung and apple not Poco f3. It's money but if it has the band it'll work
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I understand that part, but the above is not entirely true, hence the post. AT&T for example are activating devices based on the IMEI, even if it has the necessary bands they are saying it is not compatible. Some folks have been able to get around this and get them to activate the phone, but some haven't been able to
I don't know how true, but they told me if I were to take the SIM out of my Redmi Note 5, they will not be able to re-activate my phone. I haven't tried this so I can't say if this is actually the case.
It sounds like SafeLink may technically be a MVNO to Tracfone/AT&T, I do know outside of Cricket Wireless, a lot of the MVNOs aren't enforcing what AT&T is doing with their direct account holders. But technically since they are under AT&T's network, this will eventually trickle down, but it is yet to be seen how this will be handled by MVNO operators.
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I understand that part, but the above is not entirely true, hence the post. AT&T for example are activating devices based on the IMEI, even if it has the necessary bands they are saying it is not compatible. Some folks have been able to get around this and get them to activate the phone, but some haven't been able to
I don't know how true, but they told me if I were to take the SIM out of my Redmi Note 5, they will not be able to re-activate my phone. I haven't tried this so I can't say if this is actually the case.
It sounds like SafeLink may technically be a MVNO to Tracfone/AT&T, I do know outside of Cricket Wireless, a lot of the MVNOs aren't enforcing what AT&T is doing with their direct account holders. But technically since they are under AT&T's network, this will eventually trickle down, but it is yet to be seen how this will be handled by MVNO operators.
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Yes I am under SafeLink/TracFone which is subsidies of AT&T. But if AT&T shuts off their 3g network I don't think they will leave it on for the SafeLink people. AT&T doesn't have to activate your phone in America their GSM you might have them tell you that like my brother brought the nexus 6 to Walmart for a straight talk card and the lady said it's Verizon we can't activate it. Well they should have stuck a sim card inside because it works on all 4 carries except sprint and Verizon are CDMA which means your phone does have to be put into their system to work but not with GSM networks like AT&T. Just try it once you have a sim card in the us I don't know if your in the US. They will tell you anything to sell you another phone from them.
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I understand that part, but the above is not entirely true, hence the post. AT&T for example are activating devices based on the IMEI, even if it has the necessary bands they are saying it is not compatible. Some folks have been able to get around this and get them to activate the phone, but some haven't been able to
I don't know how true, but they told me if I were to take the SIM out of my Redmi Note 5, they will not be able to re-activate my phone. I haven't tried this so I can't say if this is actually the case.
It sounds like SafeLink may technically be a MVNO to Tracfone/AT&T, I do know outside of Cricket Wireless, a lot of the MVNOs aren't enforcing what AT&T is doing with their direct account holders. But technically since they are under AT&T's network, this will eventually trickle down, but it is yet to be seen how this will be handled by MVNO operators.
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I just got my Poco f3 and it works fine on ATT/SafeLink band 4. I don't have 5G so I don't know but it did show the 5g in the upper right hand on display but I checked the speed and it was the same as before so I didn't notice anything 30 to 50 mbps is usual. It's a great phone for the money bench of almost 700k on AnTuTu
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I just got my Poco f3 and it works fine on ATT/SafeLink band 4. I don't have 5G so I don't know but it did show the 5g in the upper right hand on display but I checked the speed and it was the same as before so I didn't notice anything 30 to 50 mbps is usual. It's a great phone for the money bench of almost 700k on AnTuTu
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Thanks for confirming. How are you liking the phone so far?
I had an interesting conversation with AT&T yesterday on the whole topic. Their device compatibility system is really cracking on International Phones although as mentioned earlier, this isn't the case with a lot of MVNOs. The Global version of POCO F3 I think supports 6 of the 9 AT&T 4G Bands. But it's good that it's working for you nevertheless.
I think the POCO F3 is fully compatible with T-Mobile's network as well at least it is as per their online device compatibility tool, so that's another good option depending on the area.
Got some time to decide what I'm going to do, but it's good to know that the phone does work on US carriers.
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Thanks for confirming. How are you liking the phone so far?
I had an interesting conversation with AT&T yesterday on the whole topic. Their device compatibility system is really cracking on International Phones although as mentioned earlier, this isn't the case with a lot of MVNOs. The Global version of POCO F3 I think supports 6 of the 9 AT&T 4G Bands. But it's good that it's working for you nevertheless.
I think the POCO F3 is fully compatible with T-Mobile's network as well at least it is as per their online device compatibility tool, so that's another good option depending on the area.
Got some time to decide what I'm going to do, but it's good to know that the phone does work on US carriers.
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Well so far so good, I didn't get it til 3pm today and I think I have Covid or the flu so I have been under the weather. But I ran bench scores and it's flagship level power. It charges faster than I was expecting, 5400mA on ampere when my S10 lite is 4500mA on a 45 watt charger so they make more use of less watts. I love it so far I doubt you'll notice a major difference between the Poco f3 and realme gt 5g. I love flashing custom roms and rooting my devices so if realme won't unlock the bootloader and release source codes to build on that makes the Poco f3 more for me.
I think if you buy a snapdragon 870 device if has the same bands as all snapdragon 870 devices and 888 has the same bands as all 888 because the modem is inside the CPU. I could be wrong I'm going to look into it but I think so.
It's a sweet phone the only difference from a flag ship is it's 1080p screen instead of 1440p and it doesn't have a mega good camera.
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Well so far so good, I didn't get it til 3pm today and I think I have Covid or the flu so I have been under the weather. But I ran bench scores and it's flagship level power. It charges faster than I was expecting, 5400mA on ampere when my S10 lite is 4500mA on a 45 watt charger so they make more use of less watts. I love it so far I doubt you'll notice a major difference between the Poco f3 and realme gt 5g. I love flashing custom roms and rooting my devices so if realme won't unlock the bootloader and release source codes to build on that makes the Poco f3 more for me.
I think if you buy a snapdragon 870 device if has the same bands as all snapdragon 870 devices and 888 has the same bands as all 888 because the modem is inside the CPU. I could be wrong I'm going to look into it but I think so.
It's a sweet phone the only difference from a flag ship is it's 1080p screen instead of 1440p and it doesn't have a mega good camera.
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That's some good info. Yeah can't be too picky with a budget phone, for a budget phone outside of the camera it has a lot of close to flagship features.
How are you finding call quality so far? That's one thing that wasn't that great with the xiaomi redmi note 5, but attaching a headset resolves the issue.
Hope you start feeling better while enjoying your new phone. Feel better.
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That's some good info. Yeah can't be too picky with a budget phone, for a budget phone outside of the camera it has a lot of close to flagship features.
How are you finding call quality so far? That's one thing that wasn't that great with the xiaomi redmi note 5, but attaching a headset resolves the issue.
Hope you start feeling better while enjoying your new phone. Feel better.
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I will have to get back with you on call quality because I do use headphones now. I have the master and dynamics MW08 and there awesome for calls. It's to late tonight to call anyone I'll let you know tomorrow. I can't stand the wait to unlock the bootloader. It takes 168 hours after you start the unlock process so 7 days than I can root and install viper4android