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[Q] Expectations of US G4 root/unlocked bootloader?

I'm about to upgrade my Verizon account, and I'm trying to decide between the LG G4 and HTC One M9. Right now, rooting and bootloader unlocking are possible on the M9. Difficult; but possible. However, the G4 still lacks carrier-specific forums on XDA. I know that the G4 was only released on Verizon at the beginning of this month, but I would have expected to see more movement on its development by now.
Is it reasonable to think that the G4 will ever have root or bootloader unlock on Verizon? The G3 has an all-in-one toolkit, but that took a whole year. Then again there are rumors on here that LG might open up bootloader unlocks for all variants.
I want to want this phone so bad, but it's dead in the water if I'll be stuck on stock firmware without root for 2 years. Is it still just too early to expect anything and the hacks will likely flow soon? Or are things really moving slow? I'm not asking for an ETA. I'm just wondering if there's reasonable hope for anything to happen.

I'm in the same boat as you, but on at&t. I am planning on buying the G4 tomorrow. I think root will be here before too long; jcase has rooted the at&t variant but hasn't released the method, presumably because it is unsafe. I figure the worst case scenario is I get the G4 and wait it out, if no root by fall, sell the phone and buy the new Nexus 5 or whatever they'll call it.

flamadiddle said:
I'm about to upgrade my Verizon account, and I'm trying to decide between the LG G4 and HTC One M9. Right now, rooting and bootloader unlocking are possible on the M9. Difficult; but possible. However, the G4 still lacks carrier-specific forums on XDA. I know that the G4 was only released on Verizon at the beginning of this month, but I would have expected to see more movement on its development by now.
Is it reasonable to think that the G4 will ever have root or bootloader unlock on Verizon? The G3 has an all-in-one toolkit, but that took 2 years. Then again there are rumors on here that LG might open up bootloader unlocks for all variants.
I want to want this phone so bad, but it's dead in the water if I'll be stuck on stock firmware without root for 2 years. Is it still just too early to expect anything and the hacks will likely flow soon? Or are things really moving slow? I'm not asking for an ETA. I'm just wondering if there's reasonable hope for anything to happen.
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G3 tool kit took 2 years? Wasn't the g3 released one year a go?

creaky said:
I'm in the same boat as you, but on at&t. I am planning on buying the G4 tomorrow. I think root will be here before too long; jcase has rooted the at&t variant but hasn't released the method, presumably because it is unsafe. I figure the worst case scenario is I get the G4 and wait it out, if no root by fall, sell the phone and buy the new Nexus 5 or whatever they'll call it.
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His root is for all variants.
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frigidazzi said:
G3 tool kit took 2 years? Wasn't the g3 released one year a go?
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Yup, you're right. I was thinking 2013 for some reason.

creaky said:
I'm in the same boat as you, but on at&t. I am planning on buying the G4 tomorrow. I think root will be here before too long; jcase has rooted the at&t variant but hasn't released the method, presumably because it is unsafe. I figure the worst case scenario is I get the G4 and wait it out, if no root by fall, sell the phone and buy the new Nexus 5 or whatever they'll call it.
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I'd forgotten about jcase's news. I guess mostly I was just worried by the lack of carrier-specific forums. I've never seen it take this long for a flagship phone before.
I have 2 more weeks to make my choice. I may go your route.

We will get Root and Bootloader access, it is just a matter of time since the devs (or rather some of them) already have it and are working on making a safer method to do it.
As far as a direct unlock from LG, that is never going to happen. They have personally stated they have no plans to do the unlocker for any of the "older models" of the G4 (So no AT&T, Sprint, Verizon, T-Mobile, US Cellular, etc.).
While I do understand your concerns as Root is very important to most of us and it seems like an eternity waiting for it, but trust me, this device can certainly hold its own just based on its own merits.......Yes Root will be nice and bring forth welcome modifications and removal of bloatware, but in the mean time the phone is still an incredible piece of technology and is also a great feel in the hand.
Overall I would say get yourself the G4, you will not be sorry.

Z3ldaFan88 said:
We will get Root and Bootloader access, it is just a matter of time since the devs (or rather some of them) already have it and are working on making a safer method to do it.
As far as a direct unlock from LG, that is never going to happen. They have personally stated they have no plans to do the unlocker for any of the "older models" of the G4 (So no AT&T, Sprint, Verizon, T-Mobile, US Cellular, etc.).
While I do understand your concerns as Root is very important to most of us and it seems like an eternity waiting for it, but trust me, this device can certainly hold its own just based on its own merits.......Yes Root will be nice and bring forth welcome modifications and removal of bloatware, but in the mean time the phone is still an incredible piece of technology and is also a great feel in the hand.
Overall I would say get yourself the G4, you will not be sorry.
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I'm a pretty heavy root app (and custom recovery) user. I like making regular nandroid backups. I use Titanium Backup all the time for so many different functions. I love my root-enabled Tasker profiles and apps like VideoReg Pro with save-to-SD capability. Plus, a bootloader unlocked phone just means so many more ROMs and a much simpler process to try them out.
I agree it's an amazing phone (hardware), but the software side of things is even more important to me. Thus my dilemma.

flamadiddle said:
I'm a pretty heavy root app (and custom recovery) user. I like making regular nandroid backups. I use Titanium Backup all the time for so many different functions. I love my root-enabled Tasker profiles and apps like VideoReg Pro with save-to-SD capability. Plus, a bootloader unlocked phone just means so many more ROMs and a much simpler process to try them out.
I agree it's an amazing phone (hardware), but the software side of things is even more important to me. Thus my dilemma.
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I fully understand, trust me I am the same way. I got my G4's on 6/17 and this is the longest I have ever owned a smartphone without Bootloader & Root Access.......It really sucked for me at first (as I did not know it was still locked down when I got it and had I known that before hand I honestly would have gone for the Moto N6 instead) after a week or so with the G4 though I am super happy with my decision and now I just see Root as being the eventual icing on an already fantastic cake.

Z3ldaFan88 said:
I fully understand, trust me I am the same way. I got my G4's on 6/17 and this is the longest I have ever owned a smartphone without Bootloader & Root Access.......It really sucked for me at first (as I did not know it was still locked down when I got it and had I known that before hand I honestly would have gone for the Moto N6 instead) after a week or so with the G4 though I am super happy with my decision and now I just see Root as being the eventual icing on an already fantastic cake.
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That helps me feel a little better. Glad I'm not the only one.

flamadiddle said:
That helps me feel a little better. Glad I'm not the only one.
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Glad I could be of some assistance for you, and nope you are most certainly not the only one buddy, haha.
If you have any other questions about the device or how various apps or things run on it feel free to PM me and I will gladly answer any/all questions you might have.

Z3ldaFan88 said:
We will get Root and Bootloader access, it is just a matter of time since the devs (or rather some of them) already have it and are working on making a safer method to do it.
As far as a direct unlock from LG, that is never going to happen. They have personally stated they have no plans to do the unlocker for any of the "older models" of the G4 (So no AT&T, Sprint, Verizon, T-Mobile, US Cellular, etc.).
While I do understand your concerns as Root is very important to most of us and it seems like an eternity waiting for it, but trust me, this device can certainly hold its own just based on its own merits.......Yes Root will be nice and bring forth welcome modifications and removal of bloatware, but in the mean time the phone is still an incredible piece of technology and is also a great feel in the hand.
Overall I would say get yourself the G4, you will not be sorry.
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It's not just the carriers either. They told me they have no plans to unlock my 815 TW version that has no ties to any carrier either.

frigidazzi said:
It's not just the carriers either. They told me they have no plans to unlock my 815 TW version that has no ties to any carrier either.
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Ahh, I see. I was not sure on those as I do not have one at my disposal so I had no reason to ask about it. Thank you for the information on the matter though.....I guess the H815 is just special?? Seems like it is the ONLY one LG is willing to "Fully Support".

Z3ldaFan88 said:
Ahh, I see. I was not sure on those as I do not have one at my disposal so I had no reason to ask about it. Thank you for the information on the matter though.....I guess the H815 is just special?? Seems like it is the ONLY one LG is willing to "Fully Support".
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Well Mine is H815. But it's the TW version... The H815 Europe version without any carrier ties is the only one that can unlock. I wish I had known this all when i ordered it .

frigidazzi said:
Well Mine is H815. But it's the TW version... The H815 Europe version without any carrier ties is the only one that can unlock. I wish I had known this all when i ordered it .
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You and me both, buddy. I ended up with the US991 because I was dumb and did not check the root status before I bought the G4 (Don't get me wrong I love the phone and everything, just should have done my research is all)

We technically already have root. It's just a matter of being safely packaged and released. I give it another month or 2 before we see a long hand method on how to root our phones without bricking them.
In all honesty the G4 is far superior to the m9 in just about every way, aside from the forward facing speaker of the m9.
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megamanfre said:
In all honesty the G4 is far superior to the m9 in just about every way, aside from the forward facing speaker of the m9.
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That’s debatable. I prefer the smaller screen and resolution myself. I'd rather not sacrifice CPU/GPU cycles and battery life for pixels I can't even see. I mean, the G4 has 4x the pixels of my 24" monitor. That's just stupid
Then there's the snapdragon 810 in the M9 that some say is horrible, and others say is amazing. And yes, the stereo speakers would be nice.
If the M9 had a removable battery and the G4's camera, I wouldn't even be here. The camera is really important to me though, and the M9's looks like a toy compared to the G4's.

flamadiddle said:
That’s debatable. I prefer the smaller screen and resolution myself. I'd rather not sacrifice CPU/GPU cycles and battery life for pixels I can't even see. I mean, the G4 has 4x the pixels of my 24" monitor. That's just stupid [emoji14]
Then there's the snapdragon 810 in the M9 that some say is horrible, and others say is amazing. And yes, the stereo speakers would be nice.
If the M9 had a removable battery and the G4's camera, I wouldn't even be here. The camera is really important to me though, and the M9's looks like a toy compared to the G4's.
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Oh the G4 is deff display overkill. And I'd be with the m9 personally if the camera was on par with the G4 and s6, even without a removable battery.
I went with the G4 for the camera and sd card. I have kids and taking a million pics of them are more important than hearing my ring tone and music louder without a Bluetooth speaker.
I prefer a largerish phone after my s5 and the G4 didn't really feel much larger aside from width a little.
Plus I got a free battery and 32gb SD card, so there's that too.
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megamanfre said:
Oh the G4 is deff display overkill. And I'd be with the m9 personally if the camera was on par with the G4 and s6, even without a removable battery.
I went with the G4 for the camera and sd card. I have kids and taking a million pics of them are more important than hearing my ring tone and music louder without a Bluetooth speaker.
I prefer a largerish phone after my s5 and the G4 didn't really feel much larger aside from width a little.
Plus I got a free battery and 32gb SD card, so there's that too.
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Yeah, we have pretty much the same requirements. Those kids move so fast, an average phone camera just won't cut it anymore. I'm tired of blurry pictures
I've used every Samsung Galaxy flagship until now. Forget Samsung and their Apple-chasing, anti-user policies. I need an SD card dangit!

Some phones take longer to get root than others, but being how this is LG's flagship, and LG has a growing followship, there will be root very soon. Just be patient! This phone kicks butt. I typically root to get easy tethering, ad removal, and bloatware removal, but this phone is damn good out of the box WITHOUT root! get it and don't look back! you won't regret it.

Thinking of moving to G4, would like your thoughts.

Hey all,
Currently a BB Passport owner and yes I do love my phone, However, the maps are not getting updated, its starting to get laggy, and BB making a push into android before deciding to just stay with IOT security. well I hope the priv does well but the slider would get chewed up in my line of work.
Thus here I am asking the following.
The G4 runs 808 which from what I've read overtime supersedes the 810 in performance due to heat and throttling. I was originally sold on the Sony Z5 because I work marine construction and figured with a good case the water resistance would proof nice and I wouldnt have to get a rugged phone whereby I lose a lot of performance.
Z5 has 810 and im personally leery of that chip since I read so many reports on it.
My attention then turned to the G4
from what i've read the phone has a nice camera, strong antenna and a nice leather back. Cool but, for me I need to know how it handles the weather. I plan on putting it in a defender case while at work, but it rains here on vancouver island A LOT. like inches a day sometimes and I may need to bust out my phone to calc board footage or weight of a lumber package or take a call or something.
Is the phone loud?
Is the phone going to be ok in a otterbox in those conditions? (I get OB is good for dropping, how about rain, the oops a puddle drop etc)
if these all look good, I may bite the bullet and grab one. Im really not excited to lose my keyboard on my passport but, some of the glitches im getting are over the top irritating.
Thanks all,
Jordan.

For the keyboard just install SwiftKey which beat any keyboard and you can set, personalized it to be more productive.
Put a thin case and it will be great.
It charges fast, the phone is loud.

Here is the thing. IF you do not care not having an unlocked bootloader for the G4, by all means, get the G4 since it is a fantastic device for average users. But if ever you'd gotten yourself an H815 EUR variant of the G4, absolutely get it!

shigi1231 said:
Here is the thing. IF you do not care not having an unlocked bootloader for the G4, by all means, get the G4 since it is a fantastic device for average users. But if ever you'd gotten yourself an H815 EUR variant of the G4, absolutely get it!
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Hrm, when I had a Droid before, mucking with it was kinda half the fun... that kinda stinks.. any word on bootloader ever being unlocked?
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It looks like the Canadian one is the h812... if I'm googling correctly.
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Gorship7 said:
It looks like the Canadian one is the h815... if I'm googling correctly.
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Lol. I thing your google is broken .
H812 is canadien
H815 is euro and some middle east countries
H81? There are a lot of different models. Mainly different bands
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crzygrmn said:
Lol. I thing your google is broken .
H812 is canadien
H815 is euro and some middle east countries
H81? There are a lot of different models. Mainly different bands
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I edited the post. Google fu fails me. It reads as though the unlock will come, just a matter of when. I'm sure I could entertain myself with stock but rooted I spose. Just kinda stinkeths
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Same thought.
My Nexus 4 is failing me (antenna)...
So I am thinking of buying a H815.
Do you have any trouble with it?
If you are using Android 6, is doze working?

camera
And does the it support the new Camera HAL v3?
Would be nice, to be able to take raw pictures

You can take Raw pictures on any G4 camera version, I thought. That isn't something new.
There aren't many custom roms because of the locked bootloaders. Fortunately the LG series really stopped me from being a flashaholic. Going back to stock AOSP leaves a lot to be desired.
We do have root and can flash custom stuff such as Xposed and Tweaks using apps such as Flashify. There just isn't a Custom Recovery for the locked models.

player911 said:
You can take Raw pictures on any G4 camera version, I thought. That isn't something new.
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Depends on the sensor, if it supports RAW, but nice to know that the G4 is supporting it.
player911 said:
There aren't many custom roms because of the locked bootloaders. Fortunately the LG series really stopped me from being a flashaholic. Going back to stock AOSP leaves a lot to be desired.
We do have root and can flash custom stuff such as Xposed and Tweaks using apps such as Flashify. There just isn't a Custom Recovery for the locked models.
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At least for the H815, it is possible to unlock the bootloader... but sounds very much like Samsung KNOX
http://developer.lge.com/resource/mobile/RetrieveBootloader.dev?categoryTypeCode=ANRS
Will be flashing CyanogenMod as soon as possible, if I am going to buy it.

I got one
I joined the family today. I'll wait for someone to open that bootloader. One I got the phone in my hands I was sold.

Buy it anyway. Stock is better than any AOSP or Cyanogenmod any day of the century, and you will probably get used to LG stock anyway.
No idea why anyone would want to ruin a device by installing buggy software such as AOSP or CM and also destroy camera experience.
Can't see any reason for me to root or install rom's on this phone, it's perfect with MM.
On a side note, it's very easy to fix yourself too with a quick youtube guide.

Jonathan-H said:
Buy it anyway. Stock is better than any AOSP or Cyanogenmod any day of the century, and you will probably get used to LG stock anyway.
No idea why anyone would want to ruin a device by installing buggy software such as AOSP or CM and also destroy camera experience.
Can't see any reason for me to root or install rom's on this phone, it's perfect with MM.
On a side note, it's very easy to fix yourself too with a quick youtube guide.
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is there Marshmellow for the G4 812's?

Hi, I'm from Brazil and the G4 that I have is H815P, don't know what this "p" means.. The software version is V10a...
You guy's could show me the right direction on how to look for root and kdz stuff? My H815P is similar or equivalent to the H815 (without the "P")?
Thanks

G7 Unlocked (LG710ULM) Verizon/TWRP/MAGISK compatible?

I waaaaaaaaaant this phone, if it's Verizon compatible, works properly with their bands, AND is TWRP/Magisk-able, then this is finally the perfect phone I've been looking for since my old V10 died. (The HTC U11 was... until I found out the specs lied and it did not work with verizon)
So..... can I have the US unlocked LG710ULM, or one of the other models, fully working** on Verizon, rooted with recovery?
**fully working, meaning all VZW bands, no connectivity/call/sms issues, and ideally VoIP/VoWiFi

christiebunny said:
I waaaaaaaaaant this phone, if it's Verizon compatible, works properly with their bands, AND is TWRP/Magisk-able, then this is finally the perfect phone I've been looking for since my old V10 died. (The HTC U11 was... until I found out the specs lied and it did not work with verizon)
So..... can I have the US unlocked LG710ULM, or one of the other models, fully working** on Verizon, rooted with recovery?
**fully working, meaning all VZW bands, no connectivity/call/sms issues, and ideally VoIP/VoWiFi
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In all fairness youre asking about a phone thats been released 3 days in the wild [emoji4]
LG makes it fairly clear the phone supports all bands in one device. Although not Verizon, I have full services running on ATT with VoLTE, WiFiCalling, HDVoice and VVM. Unlike my previous HTC devices where we had to spoof imei's to activate services, this one turned on like butter. Since VZW carries a G7, the ULM IMEI should activate all features on your plan.
We do not currently have bootloader unlocking on the ULM (yet), nor do we have TWRP for this version. There are not KDZ files to crossflash for this version that i know of.
As for root, oddly for myself its not as urgent as previous devices. The blaotware is almost non-existent and aside ad blocking and a few more convenient features, there isnt a mission critical need for me on this handset.
Ive not owned an LG before, looooonnnnggg time HTC guy. To me, this device is a much more refined user experience than HTC sense. A lot of things i would have rooted to fix dont need it on the G7. Honestly im a bit shocked. I dont like vanilla android but this LG UI is pretty good. Few sense features i miss like secure messaging, but i can totally live without them. The G7 hardware design is more thought through than HTC, its a remarkable, unremarkable phone. Oh and the display has to be the best LCD ive ever used IRL. 15w fast wireless charging is also a bonus.
TLR - very impressed with the phone. Full carrier services on ATT. UI is better than others. Too soon for root but hopeful for sometime in the near future.
Unless your use case absolutely requires root now, get the phone. I was hesitant but this has turned out to be the best phone ive ever owned.
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datafoo said:
In all fairness youre asking about a phone thats been released 3 days in the wild [emoji4]
Unfortunately, being good on AT&T doesn't guarantee it'll be good on Verizon-- but it's hopeful. And I could have sworn I'd read it was released LAST month, been out a month or so by now
well, either way, I won't be able to get it until next month, anyways, so hopefully by then there'll be at least some indication someone's going to be rooting it.
Thanks!
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christiebunny said:
datafoo said:
In all fairness youre asking about a phone thats been released 3 days in the wild [emoji4]
Unfortunately, being good on AT&T doesn't guarantee it'll be good on Verizon-- but it's hopeful. And I could have sworn I'd read it was released LAST month, been out a month or so by now
well, either way, I won't be able to get it until next month, anyways, so hopefully by then there'll be at least some indication someone's going to be rooting it.
Thanks!
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The phone was released in early June but the ULM model didn't start shipping to anyone until July 11th, hence a couple of days. It has only been physically available for 3 days. Devs cant root what isnt available [emoji4]
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I also want to buy this version very much，but LG didn't add this device to the unlocked bootloader list.I am worried that this version does not support unlock bootloader.

datafoo said:
In all fairness youre asking about a phone thats been released 3 days in the wild [emoji4]
LG makes it fairly clear the phone supports all bands in one device. Although not Verizon, I have full services running on ATT with VoLTE, WiFiCalling, HDVoice and VVM. Unlike my previous HTC devices where we had to spoof imei's to activate services, this one turned on like butter. Since VZW carries a G7, the ULM IMEI should activate all features on your plan.
We do not currently have bootloader unlocking on the ULM (yet), nor do we have TWRP for this version. There are not KDZ files to crossflash for this version that i know of.
As for root, oddly for myself its not as urgent as previous devices. The blaotware is almost non-existent and aside ad blocking and a few more convenient features, there isnt a mission critical need for me on this handset.
Ive not owned an LG before, looooonnnnggg time HTC guy. To me, this device is a much more refined user experience than HTC sense. A lot of things i would have rooted to fix dont need it on the G7. Honestly im a bit shocked. I dont like vanilla android but this LG UI is pretty good. Few sense features i miss like secure messaging, but i can totally live without them. The G7 hardware design is more thought through than HTC, its a remarkable, unremarkable phone. Oh and the display has to be the best LCD ive ever used IRL. 15w fast wireless charging is also a bonus.
TLR - very impressed with the phone. Full carrier services on ATT. UI is better than others. Too soon for root but hopeful for sometime in the near future.
Unless your use case absolutely requires root now, get the phone. I was hesitant but this has turned out to be the best phone ive ever owned.
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Dude, thank you so much for this. I’ve been killing myself over buying this phone for a while now. I always root my phone to only: remove in app ads and from YouTube and remove useless bloatware. That’s literally why I’ve always rooted my phones. But now, this cleared it out a little. T-Mobile currently has a deal of get one and get the other one free. I’m gonna get two of them lol

K-alz said:
Dude, thank you so much for this. I’ve been killing myself over buying this phone for a while now. I always root my phone to only: remove in app ads and from YouTube and remove useless bloatware. That’s literally why I’ve always rooted my phones. But now, this cleared it out a little. T-Mobile currently has a deal of get one and get the other one free. I’m gonna get two of them lol
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BTW dns66 is a non root vpn app from fdroid that allows you to encrypt and choose your own dns server as well as ad blocking servers (because its rerouting only dns requests).
It is a lifesaver for adblocking and dns privacy. No root needed.
I went with substratum/andromedia/paid theme to clean up the LG look. Macrodroid with adb hack has given me back most of my automation. 3c toolbox allows me to backup apps/data without root but im sure there are other methods.
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datafoo said:
BTW dns66 is a non root vpn app from fdroid that allows you to encrypt and choose your own dns server as well as ad blocking servers (because its rerouting only dns requests).
It is a lifesaver for adblocking and dns privacy. No root needed.
I went with substratum/andromedia/paid theme to clean up the LG look. Macrodroid with adb hack has given me back most of my automation. 3c toolbox allows me to backup apps/data without root but im sure there are other methods.
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You know I’m gonna be DMing you soon, right? I wanna do whatever you did, but I’m a little rusty. I haven’t been in the forums for at least two years now. So be ready to guide an idiot through those things. Lmao
I’m getting those two phones TODAY. I’ve been using an iPhone and I’m about to have brain cancer. Finally pulling the trigger.

I'm also unfortunately stuck with Verizon as a carrier (work phone). I've been lucky to unlock all of my devices up to this point, but the current crop of phones it doesn't seem promising at all. I'm certainly not a flash-a-holic, but i do prefer to run custom roms and have full control over my device.
Came across this thread while doing research on the current offerings from Verizon and so far your post @datafoo is the most convincing to switch. I too have been an HTC guy for a while. I love my 10 running LeeDroid but the battery is finally starting to go. It's been a great work horse for the last 2 years though.
Just wanted to post and say thank you guys for your opinions on this phone. I'm going to poke around a bit more, but i think I'll be pulling the trigger later today. Really hope we do get unlocked boot loader at some point!!!
Void4ever

K-alz said:
You know I’m gonna be DMing you soon, right? I wanna do whatever you did, but I’m a little rusty. I haven’t been in the forums for at least two years now. So be ready to guide an idiot through those things. Lmao
I’m getting those two phones TODAY. I’ve been using an iPhone and I’m about to have brain cancer. Finally pulling the trigger.
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Although I paid too much as an early adopter, the ULM unlocked version is on sale everywhere it seems, I don't regret it at all.
Feel free to hit me up, I'm a little slow to respond at times simply due to workload but i'll respond as time permits.
void4ever said:
I'm also unfortunately stuck with Verizon as a carrier (work phone). I've been lucky to unlock all of my devices up to this point, but the current crop of phones it doesn't seem promising at all. I'm certainly not a flash-a-holic, but i do prefer to run custom roms and have full control over my device.
Came across this thread while doing research on the current offerings from Verizon and so far your post @datafoo is the most convincing to switch. I too have been an HTC guy for a while. I love my 10 running LeeDroid but the battery is finally starting to go. It's been a great work horse for the last 2 years though.
Just wanted to post and say thank you guys for your opinions on this phone. I'm going to poke around a bit more, but i think I'll be pulling the trigger later today. Really hope we do get unlocked boot loader at some point!!!
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I felt like I needed to root my HTCs. I still don't feel a hard need to do it on this device. I would really like to see the unlocked bootloader and magisk on here but it's just not as mission critical on this version. Carrier models may have more bloatware and need it more but the ULM is pretty trim as it is.
I do like the stability of a non-rooted phone. No random reboots, predictable battery life. Get the ULM version as it should have all the bands for VZW and most all the bands for everyone else in case you switched carriers.
I'm still really happy with mine. The most remarkable, unremarkable phone I've ever owned.

I'm guessing no change yet, and not rootable, still?

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I'm guessing no change yet, and not rootable, still?
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nope, not yet at least, we are working on options though

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nope, not yet at least, we are working on options though
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OK, now?? I ordered a VZW version last night. Hoping to be able to root it one day.

verizon moto z2 play root?

i have a verizon moto z2 play xt1710-02 and wanna root it but cant get the bootloader unlocker. i went throught the moto site put in the code and it said not unlockable, is there a way around this or? because i see stuff everywhere about it but nothing with solutions

Can not unlock the bootloader on a Verizon (xt1710-02) variant until someone comes up with a way. Doubt it as it's getting harder and harder with each new software/Verizon phones.

Sell it and use the money to buy a non carrier version

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i have a verizon moto z2 play xt1710-02 and wanna root it but cant get the bootloader unlocker. i went throught the moto site put in the code and it said not unlockable, is there a way around this or? because i see stuff everywhere about it but nothing with solutions
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Why did you buy a -02, when the -01 was not much more, especially if you wanted to root?
It's been a while since any VZW branded phone was rootable, with exception of the OG Pixel, which is on again, off again.

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Why did you buy a -02, when the -01 was not much more, especially if you wanted to root?
It's been a while since any VZW branded phone was rootable, with exception of the OG Pixel, which is on again, off again.
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While this is correct regarding Motorola website unlocked bootloader, prior to nougat, my Droid turbo (xt1254) and many older moto phones on Verizon were able to have the bootloader unlocked via sunshine devs at a price. However, the 1710-02 will likely not have any support from sunshine in lieu of lack of demand and its os being post 7.0.
Your best bet, if you want root, would be to sell it on swappa then buy a rootable phone.

So you can use use a -01 on Verizon? Just use my sim out of my Verizon Droid Turbo?
It is the new unlocked Z3 Play that is GSM only.

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So you can use use a -01 on Verizon? Just use my sim out of my Verizon Droid Turbo?
It is the new unlocked Z3 Play that is GSM only.
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I can't speak for the Z3. I thought it had CDMA.
The Moto Z2 Play (XT1710-01) has CDMA coverage and I and the wife are each using one on Verizon. Mine is rooted. Her's not.
My previous phone was a Moto X Pure Edition and her's was a Note 5. We just took the SIM out of the old phone and popped it into the Z2 and away we went, no issues.

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The Moto Z2 Play (XT1710-01) has CDMA coverage and I and the wife are each using one on Verizon. Mine is rooted. Her's not.
My previous phone was a Moto X Pure Edition and her's was a Note 5. We just took the SIM out of the old phone and popped it into the Z2 and away we went, no issues.
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Thanks.
I love my old rooted Droid Turbo with Lollipop, but there comes a time when we must move up. Just not sure if the Z2 Play is the one. Getting hard to find a Verizon you can root.

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Thanks.
I love my old rooted Droid Turbo with Lollipop, but there comes a time when we must move up. Just not sure if the Z2 Play is the one. Getting hard to find a Verizon you can root.
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I agree that it's difficult to find rootable phones that work on Verizon. Hopefully when big red dumps 2G, tons will get better.
I really like the Z2 Play! It does not heat up, like the X Pure. The battery lasts much longer and it's very thin and light. I use a Sleo snap case for the weekends and it's very thin, but adds grip to a slippery phone. For work, I use a Speck Presidio Grip case and it's still pretty thin.
There is not much development for the Z2, but I like the Moto Actions & Display, which you lose with most custom ROMs. TWRP and Xposed are good enough for me, along with being able to allow super user permission to apps.
I rooted as soon at I got it, in order to prevent Oreo.
Oreo was not going to add much and change the quick settings background to light grey. I cannot stand light / white backgrounds. That is one of the top three reasons for me to root.
The wife had an X4, for a couple months. We did not like that phone one but. It's small, fast and slippery. The camera app has severe startup lag. The OS takes up 13GB of the 32GB internal storage.
For me, 64GB internal is a minimum.
Because of the lack of development for this phone, I picked up a used OG Pixel XL, from swappa, to play with. It's fast and has a lot of development and you have the freedom to go backwards and towards with Android versions, because it's like a Nexus phone, but I just don't like it. The screen is not that great. It's really dim outside. The huge bezels are ugly, useless real-estate. And it turns out that I absolutely hate the fingerprint sensor to be on the back of the phone.

Oh, should I look for a Marshmallow or Nougat? Thanks for your help.

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Oh, should I look for a Marshmallow or Nougat? Thanks for your help.
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My wife's - 01 just got Oreo, last week. Perhaps you can find one that's still on Nougat.
The Moto X Pure Edition was supposed to get Nougat, but I don't know if it ever did.
The Nexus and Pixel phone can go back and forth or upgrade and downgrade, between Android versions. I had a 6P for a while. It was a good phone, but with the rear FP sensor and no Moto Actions or Display, I couldn't live with it.

For people stuck on the non rootable version there are a couple of things previously not possible on nonroot phones. You can sideload the github version of Netguard and block hosts (ads) and internet all together. You can also install Shizuku Manager and the correct version of App Ops for more granular permissions control.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=moe.shizuku.privileged.api
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=rikka.appops
https://github.com/M66B/NetGuard

I realize that the verizon variant cannot unlock the bootloader, however is the verizon model rootable at the very least?

There is no exploit for temporary root. The only recent advance on Verizon phones is that someone smart figured out how to unlock the bootloader on Verizon pixels again.

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There is no exploit for temporary root. The only recent advance on Verizon phones is that someone smart figured out how to unlock the bootloader on Verizon pixels again.
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Is there any current verizon phone that's rootable? Please forgive my ignorance. I'd been using a Moto X Pure for the last 3 years until it the charge port finally 'wore' out.
I got my first Android phone with verizon in 2010. I had it rooted that evening. The last 5 days have been my first ever, non-rooted experience :'(

The only phones sold by Verizon would be the pixel series as someone figured out the bootloader unlock. I'm not sure how long that will last but once unlocked it will always be rootable. The better way to go is buy a non carrier version of a phone that works on Verizon. For instance, the Google play version of a pixel, a Moto phone bought from Motorola that is unlockable like the Z or G series and probably developer versions of Samsung phones. They all work on Verizon. Simply insert an activated Verizon Sim. These days the question is not whether it can be rooted but whether the bootloader can be unlocked as that is the only path to root. Look for that.

Here's an Idea: VZ will Only Unlock Bootloader if People Really Want it
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Can not unlock the bootloader on a Verizon (xt1710-02) variant until someone comes up with a way. Doubt it as it's getting harder and harder with each new software/Verizon phones.
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The majority of the people who visit this forum and others like it are technology influencers with a much stronger voice than you realize. Verizon or any other business will listen if each of you go out of your way to let those in your social networks know that locked phones are worth(less) than unlocked phones. A locked phone might be compared to a leasing/renting a car vs. owning it, except that with mobile devices, this difference isn't made crystal clear to the buyer.
Mobile devices are advanced enough now that many could be repurposed if they were unlocked. However, that would mean that people who have less of a reason to "buy" (or should I say rent/lease?) as frequently. Being able to freely unlock devices may be bad for corporate profits, but it is good for innovation, the environment, personal privacy, and transparency.
Let's face it, we're dealing with a bully and just as people from other industries make an effort to spread the word about things you're not being told (Monsanto, Big pharma, etc.), so too should people in the tech industry do the same, yet it seems like we are re-living high school again where the tech nerd geniuses let themselves get bullied into silence by the seemingly stronger tyrant whose bad ideas rarely get opposed in a way that makes a difference.

Any Idea on root/unlocked booatloader?

I haven't had an LG phone since the VX9400 and this one has me interested again. I was reading on LG's website and it looks like all of their phones' bootloaders can be unlocked according to this https://developer.lge.com/resource/mobile/RetrieveBootloader.dev Is that true? Will it work on the Verizon variant?

Just registered and saw this
The following devices support unlocking the bootloader:
• LG VELVET: LMG900EM/LMG900EMW/LMG900EMX/LMG900D for the European market
• LG V60: LMV600EA for the European market
• LG V50S: LMG850EMW/LMG850EMWX for the European market
• LG G8S: LMG810EM/LMG810EMW/LMG810EAW for the European market
• LG V50: LMV500EM for the European market
• LG V40: LMV405EBW for the European market
• LG G7: LMG710EM for the European market
• LG V30: H930/H930G for the European market
• LG G6: US997/US997Z for the U.S. open market
• LG G6: H870 for the European market
• LG V20: US996/US996Z/US996D for the U.S. open market
• LG V10: H960A for the European market and Android M (Except France)
• LG G5 SE: H840 for the European market
• LG G5: RS988 for the U.S. open market
• LG G5: H850 for the European market
• LG G4: H815/H818P for the European market
Unlocking the Bootloader is only supported on selected devices.

I did just find this but still a bit skeptical https://www.mobilewithdrivers.com/unlock-bootloader/lg-wing-5g-256gb-8gb-ram

Does this phone have similar Hardware to The Velvet?
If so could something like this be used for the wing?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-velvet/how-to/root-lg-velvet-lm-g900em-t4171117

Wanted to bring this back up. I thought I remembered the wing having very similar Hardware to the LG velvet. Has anybody been able to utilize something like what is linked above to work on root?

Does yours show oem unlock and able to toggle?

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Does yours show oem unlock and able to toggle?
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Yes, yes it does.

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Yes, yes it does.
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In developer options?.. If so, mine doesn't.
Verizon (USA)

Yes in dev options, haven't really done much with the one i had, it was a demo phone, but i did manage to get like 90% normal functional, restart doesn't change anything back to demo, can go into all options (dev mode) etc. Just no functional android market, install apks works though, no lock screen 50% battery limit. Well sold it now anyway.
I stay far away from verizon, in my opinion they are closest to iPhone as for being controlling.

The WING LG LM-F100 is not yet on the list.

I also have an oem unlock toggle option. I have a tmobile version, but I am using a mint mobile sim in it and it works just fine without ever having to use the tmobile unlock app (somehow).
That being said bim getting ready to see If I can get adb to recognize my phone in a sec. I'll let y'all know if I figure out anything to unlocking the bootloader. Wish me luck.
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Update: Here are some instructions to unlock LGs bootloader. Figured I'd leave this here for others to see if they're eligible.
LG Developer
The official developer resources for LG products and platforms.
developer.lge.com

Best of luck. Where are you located? I've read this is possible for UK version. But I have heard that it is not possible for US Virgin Islands. Hopefully you're able to figure out something good.

I'm from the US and I have a LOT of different simcards and swapping between them I have managed to change from the T-Mobile boot logo to an LG one. I've also managed to access both fastbootd and recovery (using a Linux setup) and I'm thinking we can sideload magisk fellas. Do you think while in recovery if we download an update from SD card and select the magisk22.zip file, that it could work? I'm this close to trying it myself but I just really don't want to brick the phone
I'm from US. Oem unlock is available in my dev tools. I'm using a sprint sim. And my phone model is LM-F100TM and no longer shows the Tmobile boot logo and now shows LG as the boot logo. (My stock apps have also changed too)

Being able to Root this thing would be awesome. Sounds like you're much farther along then anyone else I've heard of. Keep it up!

I had the wing in my hand today... wow, I almost bought it to replace my OP 7Pro. Then i googled how to unlock it and then this thread. Its sad. LG should make it possible to unlock ALL devices, because they close the mobile business worldwide :/

Nothing is happening with this phone until the Bootloader is unlocked as currently fastbootd doesn't allow anything to be done that I could find. Hopefully LG does a mass unlock allowance with their unlock tool near the end of the 2 year support life of the Wing and their other phones, or someone who fancy's finding a way to unlock it themselves grabs a Wing and takes up the challenge.
While I used to need Root for a few things, these days I am pretty much only wanting it for full Titanium Backups and the occasional tinker. For now though, I was actually able to transfer and do everything I needed without root while setting up my Wing and so far, things are going pretty good considering LG's past. This current OS/Launcher are rather good and leaving me much less wanting and more enjoying using a phone again as something fun and different and I couldn't be happier.
I do hope a bootloader unlock does arrive sometime in the future, and I also would reallllllly like if a few Devs for things like keyboards especially, would at least cook in the Wing 2nd screen SDK into their boards to support the small number of us, but overall this thing is still one heck of a device and is vastly better than bending plastic screens IMO.

@IM0001
I am definitely in the same camp as you. And couldn't have said it better myself. I used to root all of my phones and would not buy a phone I could not root.
Root (on this device) "would be nice to have", but I don't feel constrained without it. And this form factor definitely suits my style more so than a folding screen. The Wing is SOLID!

So if I patch a boot.img with magisk and use magisk to flash could that... possibly... Work?

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So if I patch a boot.img with magisk and use magisk to flash could that... possibly... Work?
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Most unlikely. Because the first step is to unlock the bootloader, no?

Has any progress been made in this?