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Has G4 got the best camera?

Hi there everyone...
I'm currently using Nokia 808 whose camera is fantastico and an android phone whose camera is just ok. Planning on getting a cellfone whose camera is... if not better, then atleast comparable to that of 808. So, has G4 got the best camera currently available in the market?

The G4 does have one of the best cameras, maybe head to head with the Galaxy S6 series and the Sony Z5. However, after owning all of the others I prefer the LG G4 because of the manual camera controls and RAW, but the Z5 indeed focuses faster and has some nice features, tough lacking manual controls.

Thanks man. I once had Sony Z3 compact but didn't like its colors so returned it back.

jamaljan said:
Hi there everyone...
I'm currently using Nokia 808 whose camera is fantastico and an android phone whose camera is just ok. Planning on getting a cellfone whose camera is... if not better, then atleast comparable to that of 808. So, has G4 got the best camera currently available in the market?
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Hi . I have an 808 and also an LG G4 and I can give you a couple of remarks:
-in strong daylight the 8MP 808 jpeg has a bit more details (default settings, no extra sharpening) than the G4 raw, but the LG has much better white ballance- truer colours.
-in low light and indoors the LG is king, the 1.8 aperture lens is fantastic in capturing all the light it can. Because of the very good OIS you can switch to manual mode and take pictures handheld with an exposure of half a second if your hands are steady enough. I also took amazing pictures using the 30 seconds exposure using a tripod . Of course if you need to freeze an image the 808 xenon takes lead.
The LG has outstanding focus compared to the 808 who most often than not fails to focus on the desired objects. Its jpegs have a little too much sharpening tough , especially when comparing with the 808, but its not always a bad thing. You will be better served by using raw though.
I also had in the last year a Lumia 930, an S5, a note 4, and I can tell you nothing comes close to the LG when it cames to the camera.
Would I recommend it ? Oh yeah.

I love my G4 camera. I was just in Iceland and saw the northern lights. They were very pale but with manual mode i managed to take them!
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costindaemon said:
Hi . I have an 808 and also an LG G4 and I can give you a couple of remarks:
-in strong daylight the 8MP 808 jpeg has a bit more details (default settings, no extra sharpening) than the G4 raw, but the LG has much better white ballance- truer colours.
-in low light and indoors the LG is king, the 1.8 aperture lens is fantastic in capturing all the light it can. Because of the very good OIS you can switch to manual mode and take pictures handheld with an exposure of half a second if your hands are steady enough. I also took amazing pictures using the 30 seconds exposure using a tripod . Of course if you need to freeze an image the 808 xenon takes lead.
The LG has outstanding focus compared to the 808 who most often than not fails to focus on the desired objects. Its jpegs have a little too much sharpening tough , especially when comparing with the 808, but its not always a bad thing. You will be better served by using raw though.
I also had in the last year a Lumia 930, an S5, a note 4, and I can tell you nothing comes close to the LG when it cames to the camera.
Would I recommend it ? Oh yeah.
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thanks, its quite helpful. Hopefully G4 will produce good results just like my 808. However, I usually use my phone to take pictures of my kids and lots of them. So, taking pictures in RAW and editing them is not an option for me.
What do you have to say about the sound quality of G4? I just saw a video comparison of G4 and S6 - the sound on S6 seemed better. If you compare the audio recorded in 808 video, how is the result of the audio track in videos recorded by G4? (when you watch them on a PC/laptop)

jamaljan said:
thanks, its quite helpful. Hopefully G4 will produce good results just like my 808. However, I usually use my phone to take pictures of my kids and lots of them. So, taking pictures in RAW and editing them is not an option for me.
What do you have to say about the sound quality of G4? I just saw a video comparison of G4 and S6 - the sound on S6 seemed better. If you compare the audio recorded in 808 video, how is the result of the audio track in videos recorded by G4? (when you watch them on a PC/laptop)
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The G4 has good mikes but , to my knowledge it does not have the high amplitude mikes like the 808. When recording, sound is good but not great.
So , your mileage may vary, I am satisfied by the sound quality but is by no means a contender to recording concerts. To do that you may be better served by a Lumia 950 - 950 XL.
The jpeg of the G4 are very nice if you don't zoom a lot into your images. There are compromises , evidently.
If Nokia still made phones, and used the 808 sensor with a high performance OIS and raw , it would be a dream cameraphone. Sadly , there is only G4 and maybe Lumia 950-950 XL , but the Lumia is plagued by numerous bugs so far.
I am happy with my G4, great performance, good battery, very good screen, good speaker and antenna performance. Take care though to buy a G4 with warranty, there are some troubles with some series.

The LG G4 has great mics for recording concert :
I recorded Lifehouse in Paris Bataclan (yes where the terrorist attack happened)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74RdMUSosHE
But you can't zoom in landscape mode otherwise the sound will activate a "zoom mode". But you can zoom in portrait mode without having sound problem. That's why I didn't zoom in my video.
Note : I might had one of my finger of the left mic. Listen it loud with headphone !

costindaemon said:
Hi . I have an 808 and also an LG G4 and I can give you a couple of remarks:
-in strong daylight the 8MP 808 jpeg has a bit more details (default settings, no extra sharpening) than the G4 raw, but the LG has much better white ballance- truer colours.
-in low light and indoors the LG is king, the 1.8 aperture lens is fantastic in capturing all the light it can. Because of the very good OIS you can switch to manual mode and take pictures handheld with an exposure of half a second if your hands are steady enough. I also took amazing pictures using the 30 seconds exposure using a tripod . Of course if you need to freeze an image the 808 xenon takes lead.
The LG has outstanding focus compared to the 808 who most often than not fails to focus on the desired objects. Its jpegs have a little too much sharpening tough , especially when comparing with the 808, but its not always a bad thing. You will be better served by using raw though.
I also had in the last year a Lumia 930, an S5, a note 4, and I can tell you nothing comes close to the LG when it cames to the camera.
Would I recommend it ? Oh yeah.
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costindaemon said:
The G4 has good mikes but , to my knowledge it does not have the high amplitude mikes like the 808. When recording, sound is good but not great.
So , your mileage may vary, I am satisfied by the sound quality but is by no means a contender to recording concerts. To do that you may be better served by a Lumia 950 - 950 XL.
The jpeg of the G4 are very nice if you don't zoom a lot into your images. There are compromises , evidently.
If Nokia still made phones, and used the 808 sensor with a high performance OIS and raw , it would be a dream cameraphone. Sadly , there is only G4 and maybe Lumia 950-950 XL , but the Lumia is plagued by numerous bugs so far.
I am happy with my G4, great performance, good battery, very good screen, good speaker and antenna performance. Take care though to buy a G4 with warranty, there are some troubles with some series.
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Thanks man. The issue here is that G4 is not widely available. I'm getting one which has a 7 days checking & replacement warranty. And now after your post am worried since if there will be issues I'll be screwed as the price is quite high. What to do...

Well, I loved the phone too much and bought it without a warranty. So far so good. There are bad batches with every product. I've been pretty lucky with my phones so far and thought to choose to be optimistic. You will have a better chance of trouble free product with the ones manufactured after September 2015.

costindaemon said:
Well, I loved the phone too much and bought it without a warranty. So far so good. There are bad batches with every product. I've been pretty lucky with my phones so far and thought to choose to be optimistic. You will have a better chance of trouble free product with the ones manufactured after September 2015.
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how do I find out that the product that am purchasing is manufactured after September 2015 ? specially since am from Pakistan so the batches that we have here have been imported which takes times so maybe they are old batches?

jamaljan said:
how do I find out that the product that am purchasing is manufactured after September 2015 ? specially since am from Pakistan so the batches that we have here have been imported which takes times so maybe they are old batches?
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Check the box or the back of the phone (behind the battery) if the Serial Number does not starts with 505-509.
Mine was 505 (means 201505 - May and the motherboard was already replaced - covered by EU warranty )
So you should get an unit starting with 510 or higher.

davebugyi said:
Check the box or the back of the phone (behind the battery) if the Serial Number does not starts with 505-509.
Mine was 505 (means 201505 - May and the motherboard was already replaced - covered by EU warranty )
So you should get an unit starting with 510 or higher.
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Thanks so I should only buy something whose serial n. starts with 510 or higher and not less, correct? :good:

jamaljan said:
Thanks so I should only buy something whose serial n. starts with 510 or higher and not less, correct? :good:
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Yes, just to be on the safe side, as davebugyi also said.

dears, the model no. is H818P and Serial No. starts with 512. Should I go ahead and buy it?

Sounds as safe as you can be. Go for it.

Camera comparison: V30 / S8+

So before I wiped my S8+ to send back, I took it to the store with me and got some pics along side my new V30. The photos are of the same thing and I tried to get as close on both. They are named S8* and V30*.
Let me know your thoughts.
https://www.flickr.com/gp/[email protected]/zFW84t

For at least the first few, it looks like LG outpunched Samsung's famed punchy colors. The last one with the flowers with the pumpkin I feel maybe Samsung took the edge there. The one with the flowers on the shelving outside of the store, the Samsung photo looks cooler and the LG warmer. Can't really tell which look I prefer, kind of leaning towards the cooler but that's something that I can change in settings fortunately.

Hardly useful comparison because all photos on V30 were too with wideangle F/1.9 camera which even lacks a focus feature, while camera of S8 has F/1.7 and dual pixel focus. Of course pix on S8 in this comparison is better by miles
Is there at least one sane person in whole world who cat make proper comparison, and forget about useless wide-angle camera like it never existed?

Billy Madison said:
Hardly useful comparison because all photos on V30 were too with wideangle F/1.9 camera which even lacks a focus feature, while camera of S8 has F/1.7 and dual pixel focus. Of course pix on S8 in this comparison is better by miles
Is there at least one sane person in whole world who cat make proper comparison, and forget about useless wide-angle camera like it never existed?
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I dunno. Where's yours?

Billy Madison said:
Hardly useful comparison because all photos on V30 were too with wideangle F/1.9 camera which even lacks a focus feature, while camera of S8 has F/1.7 and dual pixel focus. Of course pix on S8 in this comparison is better by miles
Is there at least one sane person in whole world who cat make proper comparison, and forget about useless wide-angle camera like it never existed?
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I don't recall having the wide lens on for those pics. What makes you think I would make a comparison using the worse camera?

EVOme said:
I don't recall having the wide lens on for those pics. What makes you think I would make a comparison using the worse camera?
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Open https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/36942181854/
See ƒ/1.9
Which is only attributed to wide-angle camera, main camera in V30 has ƒ/1.6. All other photos in that album also on wide-angle

It feels like s8 kinda had more depth to the object that the v30. The s8 game each object a depth perception, while the v30 made the objects completely blended into the background.

My iPhone X - Pixel 2 XL - LG V30 Camera Comparison

Here is an album with photos shot is FULL AUTO mode. No tweaking settings, focusing or anything. Just letting the camera shoot a photo from the same spot. I know this is not great for the pros out there but it is the way most of us shoot pics. Anyway, I did not take a ton of photos but here are the ones I did take. With the LG i did not do "portrait mode" but did include shots from both the regular and wide angle lenses in the comparison.
I was overall impressed by all cameras. Just click "info" icon at top right to see photo details which list the camera model.
For me results were
Color - iPhone X - yes, oversaturated like Samsung, but I like that.
Detail - Pixel 2 - even though colors did not pop as much the detail in textures and such were better in most of the photos for me
low light - Pixel 2 - just grabbed better detail in the photos (The one with the helicopter was VERY low light, just a crack in the door letting a little light in)
Anyway, I know everyone has different opinions so thought I'd put an album up so people could see and compare the original untouched photos.
I give the win to Pixel 2 because I can always fix colors and make the photo more vibrant. I can't add detail.
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=ZUlCXzFZZm05WXpKbzNNd0JDdU95SElRNzZEM0pn

Link doesn't work for me. Maybe you have to give permission? Or maybe you're fixing something?
404. That’s an error.
The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.
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I have watched at least a dozen youtube videos on this very subject this morning and they were pretty consistent in their findings. Google and its software ( HDR+ ) is the "high dynamic range" king. Long live the king. And this lead in this respect, over the competitors will get a very large boost when Orea 8.1 turns "on" that mystery, extra ( full soc inside the pixel ) dedicated to video processing. I'm guessing the number crunching will go down from a second to a small fraction of a second. Now LG and its hardware ( f1.6 and glass lens ) is the king of pulling detail. Go figure. The bottom line is that google cannot improve its hardware. That's fixed and static. But new LG software ( or software from other sources ) can very much improve the V30's ability to make a "auto" shot . . . Most all comparison videos did NOT put the 1K wonder at the top of anything.
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And what do the serious photography nuts have to say ?

yeah, forgot to turn on sharing. Fixed now.

old_fart said:
I have watched at least a dozen youtube videos on this very subject this morning and they were pretty consistent in their findings. Google and its software ( HDR+ ) is the "high dynamic range" king. Long live the king. And this lead in this respect, over the competitors will get a very large boost when Orea 8.1 turns "on" that mystery, extra ( full soc inside the pixel ) dedicated to video processing. I'm guessing the number crunching will go down from a second to a small fraction of a second. Now LG and its hardware ( f1.6 and glass lens ) is the king of pulling detail. Go figure. The bottom line is that google cannot improve its hardware. That's fixed and static. But new LG software ( or software from other sources ) can very much improve the V30's ability to make a "auto" shot . . . Most all videos did NOT put the 1K wonder at the top of anything.
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And what do the serious photography nuts have to say ?
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I agree with you, but the problem is the track record of LG is not that of fixing it to become the best it could be. The best hardware can suck without the proper software or a company that wants to put it as a priority to make it the best it can be. In most of the shots I took the LG had the least amount of detail (except in one low light shot where it was 2nd to Pixel in detail, look at top of soap dispensor). Now of course this is in full auto mode. I'm guessing that with manual mode the outcome might be different. However, I don't have time to mess with manual mode for 99% of my photos.
I wish LG could get the camera to be on par in auto mode with the Pixel or X because I love the phone so much. The camera and frequency of updates are the only real things lacking (for me) to make it a near perfect phone.

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I edited and pasted it again. should work.

I need more examples..... Would you mind a few dozen more of the beauty in pink?

steve841 said:
I need more examples..... Would you mind a few dozen more of the beauty in pink?
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lol, I'll get right on that.

wish there was a watermark stating which photo was from which camera.

keithleger said:
Here is an album with photos
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Looks like the Detroit Borg house...

20degrees said:
Looks like the Detroit Borg house...
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not even sure what that is. But whatever, was not about subject but quality. LOL
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hachiroku said:
wish there was a watermark stating which photo was from which camera.
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no need. in photos website on PC (which is how you should look at this to really tell quality) you can have it open all the time on the right hand side by clicking info icon and see which photos were taken with which phone. Why waste so much time watermarking and then if you want to be totally unbiased and pick best one before you know just close info box.

keithleger said:
low light - Pixel 2 - just grabbed better detail in the photos (The one with the helicopter was VERY low light, just a crack in the door letting a little light in)
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Bull****. Why do you do that, mate? Why do you so hate V30? Look at the picture of cat, V30 photo has tons more details than blurry smudgy stuff from P2XL. And helicopter is not relevant @ all, have you looked on what camera was it taken? Oh, yeah you took it on wide angle camera with F/1.9 but telling us that Pixel 2 XL captures more details in the dark, how funny.

Billy Madison said:
Bull****. Why do you do that, mate? Why do you so hate V30? Look at the picture of cat, V30 photo has tons more details than blurry smudgy stuff from P2XL. And helicopter is not relevant @ all, have you looked on what camera was it taken? Oh, yeah you took it on wide angle camera with F/1.9 but telling us that Pixel 2 XL captures more details in the dark, how funny.
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Nice catch. I didn't see that.

Billy Madison said:
Bull****. Why do you do that, mate? Why do you so hate V30? Look at the picture of cat, V30 photo has tons more details than blurry smudgy stuff from P2XL. And helicopter is not relevant @ all, have you looked on what camera was it taken? Oh, yeah you took it on wide angle camera with F/1.9 but telling us that Pixel 2 XL captures more details in the dark, how funny.
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You are all bent out of shape for nothing. No bias here. I actually use the v30 as my daily phone. Pixel 2 XL sitting on my desk with no sim card in it because I like it more. (I use the Pixel on weekends when I'll be using the camera more). I took both wide angle and normal lens with each photo.(tried to). Now the cat did move in one shot causing blur which is normal and understandable at that shutter speed. I did not notice it until I was done and it was too late to reshoot. The helicopter was an oversight. I must've missed taking with regular lens.
I'm not saying the V30 is bad. All 3 are good. I want the V30 to be as good as the Pixel, I REALLY DO! Because this phone feels awesome in my hand compared to the Pixel and has better features. I'm just telling you from the experience of using both that the Pixel is a better camera and MUCH FASTER shutter. V30 can have shutter lag at times. It did capture more detail in some photos than iPhone as well. So it would be a close tie for second with iPhone. The X and Pixel were just faster snapping (no shutter lag) the photos on a whole. Noticeably.
I'm hoping the Oreo update will improve a few things on the V30 making it my perfect phone. Fingers crossed.
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Billy Madison said:
Bull****. Why do you do that, mate? Why do you so hate V30? Look at the picture of cat, V30 photo has tons more details than blurry smudgy stuff from P2XL. And helicopter is not relevant @ all, have you looked on what camera was it taken? Oh, yeah you took it on wide angle camera with F/1.9 but telling us that Pixel 2 XL captures more details in the dark, how funny.
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For more evidence check out this album as well. I'm sorry but the V30 is not on par with Pixel camera, especially in low light. Speaking in auto mode...not manual. Might get more even then but I rarely have time to manually adjust a scene.
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=eldxSWxuRlF5b2ZvN09hVFZHVDQ3Q3VUU2RxZUxR

bitwiser said:
You are all bent out of shape for nothing. No bias here. I actually use the v30 as my daily phone. Pixel 2 XL sitting on my desk with no sim card in it because I like it more. (I use the Pixel on weekends when I'll be using the camera more). I took both wide angle and normal lens with each photo.(tried to). Now the cat did move in one shot causing blur which is normal and understandable at that shutter speed. I did not notice it until I was done and it was too late to reshoot. The helicopter was an oversight. I must've missed taking with regular lens.
I'm not saying the V30 is bad. All 3 are good. I want the V30 to be as good as the Pixel, I REALLY DO! Because this phone feels awesome in my hand compared to the Pixel and has better features. I'm just telling you from the experience of using both that the Pixel is a better camera and MUCH FASTER shutter. V30 can have shutter lag at times. It did capture more detail in some photos than iPhone as well. So it would be a close tie for second with iPhone. The X and Pixel were just faster snapping (no shutter lag) the photos on a whole. Noticeably.
I'm hoping the Oreo update will improve a few things on the V30 making it my perfect phone. Fingers crossed.
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For more evidence check out this album as well. I'm sorry but the V30 is not on par with Pixel camera, especially in low light. Speaking in auto mode...not manual. Might get more even then but I rarely have time to manually adjust a scene.
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=eldxSWxuRlF5b2ZvN09hVFZHVDQ3Q3VUU2RxZUxR
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Shutter lag is probably my biggest gripe with this camera. One thing I've noticed with the Pixel is that in dark images, there tends to be a lot more noise (such as in the picture of your round plant) than the V30. I see this also when using the camera port. The GCam will give me very noisy images in low light.

bitwiser said:
I'm not saying the V30 is bad. All 3 are good. I want the V30 to be as good as the Pixel, I REALLY DO!
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But it is! People may think that V30 is bad based on the heli photo that's why I corrected and clarified that.
And, about shutter lag, do you use HDR in auto setting in V30 photo settings? It's well known for LG G4, V20, G6, V30 line up that when HDR is auto or ON and indoors scene it'll cause shutter to lag. Turn HDR off, that's all. It would provide even for better low light pix as well
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MUCH FASTER shutter. V30 can have shutter lag at times. It did capture more detail in some photos than iPhone as well. So it would be a close tie for second with iPhone. The X and Pixel were just faster snapping (no shutter lag) the photos on a whole. Noticeably.
I'm hoping the Oreo update will improve a few things on the V30 making it my perfect phone. Fingers crossed.
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Oreo has nothing to do with shutter lag, it's hardware based so no updates will never improve shutter speed of V30. If shutter lag a top priority issue you may just return V30 to LG and forget it. It's video phone mostly, not point-and-snap. The Pixel 2 XL and probably iPhones have all Zero Shutter Lag based on the fact that it's sensors have
integrated RAM buffer where photos are stacked constantly. And when you press shutter camera simply fetch for already made and stored in RAM picture. It's already there. It's simple as that (of course it's more complicated but the point is that). But LG phones or Samsung phones still don't have such ram buffers hence shutter lags

hachiroku said:
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You can easily tell which photos were taken with which camera. When I open in Chrome, the information is right there.
Click on the "i" in the upper right hand corner.
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"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
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Another question, 20171104_154418 size is 2.8 Mb , 20171104_154159 size is 1.66Mb. May I ask what sizes are of them in V30 drive in reality or you just posted them to photos.google.com and deleted originals? Because 16 Mpix matrix can't produce just 2.8Mb under sunlight, it's not possible. Thing is V30 photos have Picasa named in it's programs, so when it was uploaded it simply was compressed by Picasa stripping of any details and fine lines.

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Another question, 20171104_154418 size is 2.8 Mb , 20171104_154159 size is 1.66Mb. May I ask what sizes are of them in V30 drive in reality or you just posted them to photos.google.com and deleted originals? Because 16 Mpix matrix can't produce just 2.8Mb under sunlight, it's not possible. Thing is V30 photos have Picasa named in it's programs, so when it was uploaded it simply was compressed by Picasa stripping of any details and fine lines.
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I've not altered them. That is the size backed up directly to google photos from the V30 (auto backup) unless Google must be doing some sort of compression. Size on the phone is 6.34mb. It would do that to all of them though, wouldn't it? iphone x too.

LG V30 vs S9/ +

Seen 2 videos so far of the V30 up against the S9 series and its holding its own quite well.
What are you guys opinions?

V30 for better battery and camera. End of story.
If you had an S8 right now you would be better off on both those parameters than with an S9
Sammy will fix things. The snapdragon seems to be ok with battery but the exynos variant doesn't do well for battery. Further optimisation needed especially for exynos
Camera issues will be the same for both
Fixes needed which is kinda strange because these aren't the kind of problems Korean phones have ootb

Had both, sold the S9+ after 10 days, couldn't get on with Sammy software and device was just a little too big and heavy. Very happy to have gone back to my V30.

Seriously, not sure how you can even think about saying that the V30 camera is better than the S9, unless you are talking about granularity of controls. The quality of the S9+ blows the doors off the v30..especially indoors/low light. I have both and the S9+ is being shipped back to Samsung tomorrow because I love my V30 size and feel, not to mention the wide angle lens. However, saying v30 camera quality is better than S9+ is laughable. V30 is still a decent camera though and I can't do without wide-angle lens. I'm not sure why others have not done it...oh wait, maybe we need Apple to do it first then EVERYONE else will. lol

i owned lg v30 plus for 5 months and i got S9plus from 10 days and i sold it back yesterday and returned to my lgv30 the reason behind that s9plus has a big problem with dropping calls and during the call i am loosing the connection and got silence for 5 to 10 sec on the same conditions i was using lg in i searched and found it's a common problem and they are waiting a fix through an update the second thing is battery life the s9+ doesn't hold for a day with the same usage , also the network switching between 4g and 3g is going crazy and so bad with s9+
sure the camera of S9+ much better than lg v30 especially the front facing camera which is a **** in low light in lg v30

souty666 said:
sure the camera of S9+ much better than lg v30 especially the front facing camera which is a **** in low light in lg v30
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Nobody picks a phone on the strength of the front camera.
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bitwiser said:
Seriously, not sure how you can even think about saying that the V30 camera is better than the S9, unless you are talking about granularity of controls. The quality of the S9+ blows the doors off the v30..especially indoors/low light. I have both and the S9+ is being shipped back to Samsung tomorrow because I love my V30 size and feel, not to mention the wide angle lens. However, saying v30 camera quality is better than S9+ is laughable. V30 is still a decent camera though and I can't do without wide-angle lens. I'm not sure why others have not done it...oh wait, maybe we need Apple to do it first then EVERYONE else will. lol
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heh, what do you even know about cameras ? The V30 has a F1.6, the S9 is F1.5. So in what way does the S9 blow away the V30 again ?
https://youtu.be/NLsezWgArh4
I'm not seeing the 'quality' of the S9 blow away its predecessors here. Oh! they happen to be F1.7's btw Why's that ? F1.5 an all
https://youtu.be/lW1p8ONzmOY
Why is the S9 struggling to get focus in scenes the last three generations would not. You mean to tell me the V30 or any LG since the G4 would have trouble focusing in these low light scenes ? Forget LG, S6 up to S8 would have no problem in those scenes
The only place i give sammy the edge is faster focus with video. You do much video ?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=75896403&postcount=9
Demonstrates the problem with dual aperture and stills within a certain range of light levels
First has a higher ISO than necesary and thererfore will lose at the pixel level in terms of details to every good camera that came out since 2015, the second blows out the image entirely with the oh so amazing f1.5
Numerous photos i see this overbrightening going on. Why. if HDR+ makes photos low contrast ie flat and boring then the S9 is making them worse for no good reason
Now, i have zero problems having to use manual if it means i get a better photo, in fact a camera that doesn't have manual is worthless as far as i'm concerned but try telling that to someone who just bought this phone for the camera. Paid big bucks for it

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i owned lg v30 plus for 5 months and i got S9plus from 10 days and i sold it back yesterday and returned to my lgv30 the reason behind that s9plus has a big problem with dropping calls and during the call i am loosing the connection and got silence for 5 to 10 sec on the same conditions i was using lg in i searched and found it's a common problem and they are waiting a fix through an update the second thing is battery life the s9+ doesn't hold for a day with the same usage , also the network switching between 4g and 3g is going crazy and so bad with s9+
sure the camera of S9+ much better than lg v30 especially the front facing camera which is a **** in low light in lg v30
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Hi,
Did you get Android Oreo update for LG V30 plus? Any idea when it will arrive ?

I almost sold my V30+ for a S9+ but to be honest, I wouldn't be rushing out to buy an S9 or S9+ just yet. They have a world wide issue with dead spots on the screen... And of course their launcher sucks dogs balls.. Useability is high on my list, and after 5 min playing with the S9+ in store, I wanted to puke.
If you're keen on going Samsung, maybe wait for the Note 9... Samsung just can't get anything right at the moment - seems hardware issue after hardware issue..... Samsung need to take a break, and stop rushing phones to market
My V30+ has been flawless since picking it up in Nov 2017. I'll be sticking with it until the V40+ comes

One Twelve said:
heh, what do you even know about cameras ? The V30 has a F1.6, the S9 is F1.5. So in what way does the S9 blow away the V30 again ?
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You know that's not how it works right? Aperture is only one aspect of the amount of light that a sensor picks up, the other being sensor and pixel size.
Although the S9 has more or less the same aperture the pixel size is nearly 50% larger than the v30 pixels, it also has a 1/2.5" sensor versus 1/3.1", this will have a very large effect on low light quality.
For example a full frame sensor has over a stop of extra light gathering ability vs an APSC sensor, equivalent to the jump from an F2.0 to an F1.4 lens, I have no idea what the exact ration will be with these sensors but it is likely to be quite significant.
There is nothing wrong with the V30 camera, but physics dictates it is going to be significantly worse in low light than the S9.

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You know that's not how it works right? Aperture is only one aspect of the amount of light that a sensor picks up, the other being sensor and pixel size.
Although the S9 has more or less the same aperture the pixel size is nearly 50% larger than the v30 pixels, it also has a 1/2.5" sensor versus 1/3.1", this will have a very large effect on low light quality.
For example a full frame sensor has over a stop of extra light gathering ability vs an APSC sensor, equivalent to the jump from an F2.0 to an F1.4 lens, I have no idea what the exact ration will be with these sensors but it is likely to be quite significant.
There is nothing wrong with the V30 camera, but physics dictates it is going to be significantly worse in low light than the S9.
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Agree with what you've said but LG manages to squeeze out a lot from a small sensor despite the smaller pixel size. Have you seen some of the photos from the AI camera that only the Korean variant has for now. They have improved clarity and sharpness over the past.
The V30 will be a more reliable shooter than the S9 in the examples i've cited. The V30 would not have the problems the S9 has.
Did you see Max's video ? i looked at every photo he took at the pixel level and was shaking my head over how the S9 couldn't get focus. What good is the biggest sensor going to do in that case
The S8 or Note 8 would be better competition to the V30. If you can handhold 1/2s you will beat what auto can do on the V30 because you let in two full stops of light in this case. That will exceed what a bigger sensor can do unless you repeat the same with it as well
Video isn't going to be too far off due to the small differernce in aperture, only focus will be quicker with samsung. And this is the strange thing, focus is fast on video but couldn't do it with stills

One Twelve said:
Agree with what you've said but LG manages to squeeze out a lot from a small sensor despite the smaller pixel size.
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Yes I think it is a great camera, with the best software implementation and interface I've tried.
But low light is not its strong point, in saying that mobile cameras are always so bad there versus my dedicated cameras that it doesn't matter that much, if I expect to want to take usable night shots I'd take a real camera. On the other hand the wide angle camera on this has amazed me for daytime landscape shots.

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Yes I think it is a great camera, with the best software implementation and interface I've tried.
But low light is not its strong point, in saying that mobile cameras are always so bad there versus my dedicated cameras that it doesn't matter that much, if I expect to want to take usable night shots I'd take a real camera. On the other hand the wide angle camera on this has amazed me for daytime landscape shots.
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The one camera that will dethrone all is potentially the P20 pro. You can take 4s handheld shots. Sharp. Get this it has no OIS!
Low light handling with huawei has always been good, the problem is you need a way to stabilise it. The image quality improves considerably if you let it have 10s say. It won't get brighter just better details
Course that is just the stills department, Video is likely to be another story.
I think low light has improved over the years in terms of how high ISO can go before you don't have a usable photo
Upto 2014 - no higher than ISO 400
2015 - goes up to ISO 800
2017 - now i think 1250 possibly 1600 is usable
No competition against your dedicated camera but you will always have your phone with you
That wide angle has a magic effect on people even those that don't like to take photos with phones
https://youtu.be/8fRGQ33Q4eU
Thats the G5 and you get the idea

Main reason i wont switch to Samsung is phone size dimensions and screen ratio. Dont like the long and narrow screen that samsung is using.
In my opinion the lg v30 has the perfect size.

Can't find any v30 vs S9 photo comparisons with originals to pixel peep. None out there
I want to see the S9 'blowing away' the V30

One Twelve said:
Agree with what you've said but LG manages to squeeze out a lot from a small sensor despite the smaller pixel size. Have you seen some of the photos from the AI camera that only the Korean variant has for now. They have improved clarity and sharpness over the past.
The V30 will be a more reliable shooter than the S9 in the examples i've cited. The V30 would not have the problems the S9 has.
Did you see Max's video ? i looked at every photo he took at the pixel level and was shaking my head over how the S9 couldn't get focus. What good is the biggest sensor going to do in that case
The S8 or Note 8 would be better competition to the V30. If you can handhold 1/2s you will beat what auto can do on the V30 because you let in two full stops of light in this case. That will exceed what a bigger sensor can do unless you repeat the same with it as well
Video isn't going to be too far off due to the small differernce in aperture, only focus will be quicker with samsung. And this is the strange thing, focus is fast on video but couldn't do it with stills
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Sorry, I love my v30 and it is still my daily driver (shipped the S9+ back today) but in auto mode the S9 was better in almost every situation for me. Not by much except with low light. You can spout stats all day long but unless you are using manual mode the v30 did not come close to the S9. See album. It is almost like someone turns a light on with the S9 photos compared to the v30. I don't know about video since i don't use it much but in low light I can't see how the v30 could produce better/less noise in video either.

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Sorry, I love my v30 and it is still my daily driver (shipped the S9+ back today) but in auto mode the S9 was better in almost every situation for me. Not by much except with low light. You can spout stats all day long but unless you are using manual mode the v30 did not come close to the S9. See album. It is almost like someone turns a light on with the S9 photos compared to the v30. I don't know about video since i don't use it much but in low light I can't see how the v30 could produce better/less noise in video either.
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Good, now we can have a conversation. I noticed both LG shots used AI shutter, this is LG's more intelligent night shot.
For a scene like this manual will get you a clearer shot, Been that way since the G4. Just go into manual and click, you don't change any settings at all. It just disables night shot. Will be sharper. Provided it gets focus which i think it did in your shots. Night shot is a mixed bag, there are times it will do quite well and others where it can make things worse
The one of the flowers is what makes you think the light got turned on. It's using spot metering there. The one with the trucks is using the default centre weighted. Note how the exposure is the same but the clarity is better with the S9.
The flowers is interesting because it used 1/5, the auto shots i've seen had it go no slower than 1/10. Well that's a stop's more light AND coupled with a high iso will turn night into day
Drop the LG down to 1/4 and you do the same compared to auto which won't go below 1/10
Pity you've sent it back it would have been good to try some more experiments

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Good, now we can have a conversation. I noticed both LG shots used AI shutter, this is LG's more intelligent night shot.
For a scene like this manual will get you a clearer shot, Been that way since the G4. Just go into manual and click, you don't change any settings at all. It just disables night shot. Will be sharper. Provided it gets focus which i think it did in your shots. Night shot is a mixed bag, there are times it will do quite well and others where it can make things worse
The one of the flowers is what makes you think the light got turned on. It's using spot metering there. The one with the trucks is using the default centre weighted. Note how the exposure is the same but the clarity is better with the S9.
The flowers is interesting because it used 1/5, the auto shots i've seen had it go no slower than 1/10. Well that's a stop's more light AND coupled with a high iso will turn night into day
Drop the LG down to 1/4 and you do the same compared to auto which won't go below 1/10
Pity you've sent it back it would have been good to try some more experiments
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I understand all that, I'm just saying full auto, which is how most users will use the camera. The v30 is lacking. I don't want to have to press buttons and adjust settings. I just want to pull my phone out and quickly snap a photo or I'll miss the moment. Again, love my v30 and won't give it up for the better camera. However, if I want the best all around quick/auto/consistent camera phone I'll just reach over and grab my wife's pixel 2.

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I understand all that, I'm just saying full auto, which is how most users will use the camera. The v30 is lacking. I don't want to have to press buttons and adjust settings. I just want to pull my phone out and quickly snap a photo or I'll miss the moment.
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And you can do just that if it launches in manual for static subjects in low light. No adjusting settings. Everything is in auto.
The one quirk i've noticed with the V30 only is it doesn't always disable night shot. So even in manual this happens. Didn't happen with earlier LG's
That's the best you can get. So if you compare that with what the sammy does then you will know if any of this pixel micron thing makes a difference or not
Sammy doesn't use a nightshot and i've rolled my eyes as the years went on when comparisons were made with LG's by people who didn't know what to do. So this canard that LG can't do low light very well came up. Reviewers won't do it but users learn early on

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And you can do just that if it launches in manual for static subjects in low light. No adjusting settings. Everything is in auto.
The one quirk i've noticed with the V30 only is it doesn't always disable night shot. So even in manual this happens. Didn't happen with earlier LG's
That's the best you can get. So if you compare that with what the sammy does then you will know if any of this pixel micron thing makes a difference or not
Sammy doesn't use a nightshot and i've rolled my eyes as the years went on when comparisons were made with LG's by people who didn't know what to do. So this canard that LG can't do low light very well came up. Reviewers won't do it but users learn early on
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I know the v30 can do much better in low light. i'm saying I don't want to have to switch my phone to manual mode every time I want to take photos indoors or in low light. Even if it is just switching the mode. I always live it in auto. That is how I'm comparing the cameras. LG should do a better job with auto mode, plain and simple. I don't have that issue with Pixel 2 either.

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I know the v30 can do much better in low light. i'm saying I don't want to have to switch my phone to manual mode every time I want to take photos indoors or in low light. Even if it is just switching the mode. I always live it in auto. That is how I'm comparing the cameras. LG should do a better job with auto mode, plain and simple. I don't have that issue with Pixel 2 either.
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They've clung on to the night mode thing for a while now. If that happens the LG's losing almost every time.
I've never understood why they wouldn't allow slower shutter speeds in auto. Getting a 1/4 handheld sharp isn't difficult. I guess they are trying to account for people who might not have the steadiest of hands. Same with sammy too from what i could see with Max's shots. What explains the inability of the S9 to get clear shots ? did you find the S9 wanting for focus when you used it in low light. Your macros were fine, but what about outdoors, a harder test
it's rare you will ever get consistently good low light shots in auto particularly if there's bright lights in them even with the best of cameras. Max likes to show how the pixel can do this. Yeah it can and so can huawei. But it isn't hard to do with manual. One day I went around town at night with one set of settings and clicked away. There wasn't even a need for focus. Shots were instant. Sharp, way better & faster than auto. Took over a hundred shots, sometimes in the road with traffic. I had no more than a second or two.
But the pixel flattens images as well. Getting creative with a pixel with HDR+ on is harder than either of the Koreans. Can't do drama with a pixel. And all its strengths reduce with video because its like any other that too with mono recording in audio instead of stereo. I can't get comfortable with a camera that reduces the owner to a button presser

I just received the LG G8s ThinQ from LG

Hi everybody,
I think most of you don't know me but let me say you the most important thing: I'm a student and work as a Sales Representative for LG Mobile.
Yesterday, I received my new phone, the LG G8s ThinQ, which is going to replace the LG V40 ThinQ I had since February 2019 (I'm living in Europe, that's why I received it quite lately) and the LG G7 ThinQ I had before the V40 since May 2018.
It's the Mirror Black version. Seems totally black on pictures but it's more of a dark grey finish in real life.
One thing that I really appreciate is the included transparent silicon case inside the box even if the OTG USB-C to USB-A adapter is still not present.
DTS:X 3D Surround, Hand ID, Face Unlock, Air Motion, etc. are all there but not Quad DAC unfortunately.
The autonomy is very impressive and surely much better than precedent smartphones I had: Samsung Galaxy S8, LG Q6, LG G7 ThinQ and LG V40 ThinQ.
Dimension of the G8s is veyr similar to the V40 ThinQ but unfortunately, as the Power button has moved a bit upper, no V40 cases will be usable.
For the rest, this phone is really great and feels more premium and better build than the V40 Moroccan Blue I had even though the must-loved frosted glass isn't there anymore.
I'm going to publish an unboxing video online, in French (sorry guys :/ ) in the coming days.

Here's my little unboxing video in French

Here are some pictures if someone is interested with a side-by-side comparison with the LG V40 ThinQ I will give back to LG in the coming weeks (it's definitely the one I loved the most in term of design):

No offense but this phone has been released in most places for MONTHS. Not exactly ground breaking news, but we appreciate the effort

How does it compare with the G8?

SantinoInc said:
No offense but this phone has been released in most places for MONTHS. Not exactly ground breaking news, but we appreciate the effort
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Yeah, I noticed afterwards.
In several market though (just like all Europe), it's still not there.
Example :
- France : not there until September
- Netherlands, Luxembourg, Belgium : arrival in the coming days

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How does it compare with the G8?
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Very similar in terms of performance.
A little bit more of autonomy, better camera quality but the screen is only Full HD+ (for that screen size, you won't notice the difference and will gain even more battery life) and you don't have the OLED Crystal Sound technology (in stead, you have Meridian Stereo Speaker).
The only complain for this specific comparison : screen borders are bigger on the G8S and the notch is larger. This result to nearly the same size as the V40 (same width, half centimeters less height).

And most important, the G8s had no DAC
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schuertzi said:
And most important, the G8s had no DAC
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Yeah, it's a shame…
Really great sound quality anyway but I rather prefer Quad DAC over DTS:X 3D Surround.
Stereo Speaker is welcom even if the P-OLED Crystal Sound is very interesting in the G8S.
PS: I think you're all informed that in September LG will reveal new devices.
I read on some websites of a rumor about the LG V60, let me assure you the dual screen device will be a G8 series phone (I can't say anything else as the rest is under confidentiality).

Let's see what they will show us
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Very similar in terms of performance.
A little bit more of autonomy, better camera quality but the screen is only Full HD+ (for that screen size, you won't notice the difference and will gain even more battery life) and you don't have the OLED Crystal Sound technology (in stead, you have Meridian Stereo Speaker).
The only complain for this specific comparison : screen borders are bigger on the G8S and the notch is larger. This result to nearly the same size as the V40 (same width, half centimeters less height).
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Hi, I'm thinking of buying one in Portugal. It has just been released.
Do you think the camera quality is better than the normal G8?
Can you post some samples?
Thanks!

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Hi everybody.....
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LG should first of all release the bootloder for developer as with LG v50 what a schame....

flp11748 said:
Hi, I'm thinking of buying one in Portugal. It has just been released.
Do you think the camera quality is better than the normal G8?
Can you post some samples?
Thanks!
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Camera quality will be quite the same, no major difference the 2 versions (even if the lenses are not exactly the same).
I already made my hands on the G8X, sounds promising but I'm waiting to receive the finished product before publishing anything.
As for the samples, I made a small trip recently at Malta, check that out here (auto mode (the 3 lenses), AI mode (wide and main lens), Pro mode (main lens even though you can also use it on the wide lens)):
Auto mode:
Auto mode on the same view with wide, main and zoom lens:
Pro mode for macro:
Pro mode for sky view at night, at different settings:
AI mode with wide lens, than with main lens:

melvinmajor said:
Camera quality will be quite the same, no major difference the 2 versions (even if the lenses are not exactly the same).
I already made my hands on the G8X, sounds promising but I'm waiting to receive the finished product before publishing anything.
As for the samples, I made a small trip recently at Malta, check that out here (auto mode (the 3 lenses), AI mode (wide and main lens), Pro mode (main lens even though you can also use it on the wide lens)):
Auto mode:
Auto mode on the same view with wide, main and zoom lens:
Pro mode for macro:
Pro mode for sky view at night, at different settings:
AI mode with wide lens, than with main lens:
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Wow, that's a lot of good material to analyse. Nice pictures! Thank you very much!
Image quality seems good, although there's a bit of noise reduction that reduces the detail - It's LG's signature nowadays...
Have you tried shooting in RAW or using a GCAM port?
Thanks again

flp11748 said:
Wow, that's a lot of good material to analyse. Nice pictures! Thank you very much!
Image quality seems good, although there's a bit of noise reduction that reduces the detail - It's LG's signature nowadays...
Have you tried shooting in RAW or using a GCAM port?
Thanks again
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Thanks.
Yes, there's a bit of noise reduction on the picture, even though on Pro mode it seems to be less present.
I have RAW files of those in Pro mode if you want.
Tried Gcam, only the "most stable" one ran for 2 pics and now, even by reinstalling it, I can't use it anymore but on the very short test I did, no difference in quality apart for a slightly less noise reduction

melvinmajor said:
Thanks.
Yes, there's a bit of noise reduction on the picture, even though on Pro mode it seems to be less present.
I have RAW files of those in Pro mode if you want.
Tried Gcam, only the "most stable" one ran for 2 pics and now, even by reinstalling it, I can't use it anymore but on the very short test I did, no difference in quality apart for a slightly less noise reduction
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Well, GCAM has its pros and cons. I still prefer stock RAW but GCAM has its uses in more challenging lightning conditions.
I'm using a V30 with version 18C1 from here:
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-fu24/
It almost never crashes and It has much more details than stock camera but the image also looks a lot more processed. You can also tweak some of the settings to your liking.
I would love to see some raw photos when you have time to share them. After the G4, LG started to use to much noise reduction on jpegs and I only use RAW nowadays.

I only see the black color. Will the white one come in Europe? Some reviewer said something about bad viewing angles . How is yours?
I have the Lg g6 and i'm considering the g8s. Anyone who had the g6 and now the g8s? Impressions?

DrUnKenSTeiN said:
I only see the black color. Will the white one come in Europe? Some reviewer said something about bad viewing angles . How is yours?
I have the Lg g6 and i'm considering the g8s. Anyone who had the g6 and now the g8s? Impressions?
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Sorry for the late reply.
Some countries received the Mirror Black others the Mirror Teal color.
No info about the white one.
In Belgium, the G8S has been cancelled as there was some problems with partners to actually sell it in store but no problem related with the device.
About the viewing angles, I prefer it to others smartphones. I didn't use a lot the zoom lens unfortunately but wide angle and main lens are very good. My father, which has the Galaxy Note 10+ prefered the lenses of the G8S but chosed the Samsung simply for faster updates (even if LG is changing it this year, finally).
I had to change for the G8X last month, the wide lens of this one is very large but interesting for landscapes ^^
About camera quality comparison :
G6 vs G7 : no huge differences
G6 vs G8/G8S : good improvements on night photography, colors are more natural, zoom lens isn't the most useful one
G6 vs G8X : same as G8/G8S, wide angle lens is very very large and thankfully not too fish-eye (the largest of all smartphones as it's 136°)

What's your current security update/SW? I see you have same version as me according to box ("EUA") but I'm on May update and not getting anything newer...

petr232 said:
What's your current security update/SW? I see you have same version as me according to box ("EUA") but I'm on May update and not getting anything newer...
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Try maybe with LG Bridge pc software. I am on November with EAW.
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