Hi everybody,
I think most of you don't know me but let me say you the most important thing: I'm a student and work as a Sales Representative for LG Mobile.
Yesterday, I received my new phone, the LG G8s ThinQ, which is going to replace the LG V40 ThinQ I had since February 2019 (I'm living in Europe, that's why I received it quite lately) and the LG G7 ThinQ I had before the V40 since May 2018.
It's the Mirror Black version. Seems totally black on pictures but it's more of a dark grey finish in real life.
One thing that I really appreciate is the included transparent silicon case inside the box even if the OTG USB-C to USB-A adapter is still not present.
DTS:X 3D Surround, Hand ID, Face Unlock, Air Motion, etc. are all there but not Quad DAC unfortunately.
The autonomy is very impressive and surely much better than precedent smartphones I had: Samsung Galaxy S8, LG Q6, LG G7 ThinQ and LG V40 ThinQ.
Dimension of the G8s is veyr similar to the V40 ThinQ but unfortunately, as the Power button has moved a bit upper, no V40 cases will be usable.
For the rest, this phone is really great and feels more premium and better build than the V40 Moroccan Blue I had even though the must-loved frosted glass isn't there anymore.
I'm going to publish an unboxing video online, in French (sorry guys :/ ) in the coming days.
Here's my little unboxing video in French
Here are some pictures if someone is interested with a side-by-side comparison with the LG V40 ThinQ I will give back to LG in the coming weeks (it's definitely the one I loved the most in term of design):
No offense but this phone has been released in most places for MONTHS. Not exactly ground breaking news, but we appreciate the effort
How does it compare with the G8?
SantinoInc said:
No offense but this phone has been released in most places for MONTHS. Not exactly ground breaking news, but we appreciate the effort
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Yeah, I noticed afterwards.
In several market though (just like all Europe), it's still not there.
Example :
- France : not there until September
- Netherlands, Luxembourg, Belgium : arrival in the coming days
wilpang said:
How does it compare with the G8?
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Very similar in terms of performance.
A little bit more of autonomy, better camera quality but the screen is only Full HD+ (for that screen size, you won't notice the difference and will gain even more battery life) and you don't have the OLED Crystal Sound technology (in stead, you have Meridian Stereo Speaker).
The only complain for this specific comparison : screen borders are bigger on the G8S and the notch is larger. This result to nearly the same size as the V40 (same width, half centimeters less height).
And most important, the G8s had no DAC
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And most important, the G8s had no DAC
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Yeah, it's a shame…
Really great sound quality anyway but I rather prefer Quad DAC over DTS:X 3D Surround.
Stereo Speaker is welcom even if the P-OLED Crystal Sound is very interesting in the G8S.
PS: I think you're all informed that in September LG will reveal new devices.
I read on some websites of a rumor about the LG V60, let me assure you the dual screen device will be a G8 series phone (I can't say anything else as the rest is under confidentiality).
Let's see what they will show us
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melvinmajor said:
Very similar in terms of performance.
A little bit more of autonomy, better camera quality but the screen is only Full HD+ (for that screen size, you won't notice the difference and will gain even more battery life) and you don't have the OLED Crystal Sound technology (in stead, you have Meridian Stereo Speaker).
The only complain for this specific comparison : screen borders are bigger on the G8S and the notch is larger. This result to nearly the same size as the V40 (same width, half centimeters less height).
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Hi, I'm thinking of buying one in Portugal. It has just been released.
Do you think the camera quality is better than the normal G8?
Can you post some samples?
Thanks!
melvinmajor said:
Hi everybody.....
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LG should first of all release the bootloder for developer as with LG v50 what a schame....
flp11748 said:
Hi, I'm thinking of buying one in Portugal. It has just been released.
Do you think the camera quality is better than the normal G8?
Can you post some samples?
Thanks!
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Camera quality will be quite the same, no major difference the 2 versions (even if the lenses are not exactly the same).
I already made my hands on the G8X, sounds promising but I'm waiting to receive the finished product before publishing anything.
As for the samples, I made a small trip recently at Malta, check that out here (auto mode (the 3 lenses), AI mode (wide and main lens), Pro mode (main lens even though you can also use it on the wide lens)):
Auto mode:
Auto mode on the same view with wide, main and zoom lens:
Pro mode for macro:
Pro mode for sky view at night, at different settings:
AI mode with wide lens, than with main lens:
melvinmajor said:
Camera quality will be quite the same, no major difference the 2 versions (even if the lenses are not exactly the same).
I already made my hands on the G8X, sounds promising but I'm waiting to receive the finished product before publishing anything.
As for the samples, I made a small trip recently at Malta, check that out here (auto mode (the 3 lenses), AI mode (wide and main lens), Pro mode (main lens even though you can also use it on the wide lens)):
Auto mode:
Auto mode on the same view with wide, main and zoom lens:
Pro mode for macro:
Pro mode for sky view at night, at different settings:
AI mode with wide lens, than with main lens:
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Wow, that's a lot of good material to analyse. Nice pictures! Thank you very much!
Image quality seems good, although there's a bit of noise reduction that reduces the detail - It's LG's signature nowadays...
Have you tried shooting in RAW or using a GCAM port?
Thanks again
flp11748 said:
Wow, that's a lot of good material to analyse. Nice pictures! Thank you very much!
Image quality seems good, although there's a bit of noise reduction that reduces the detail - It's LG's signature nowadays...
Have you tried shooting in RAW or using a GCAM port?
Thanks again
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Thanks.
Yes, there's a bit of noise reduction on the picture, even though on Pro mode it seems to be less present.
I have RAW files of those in Pro mode if you want.
Tried Gcam, only the "most stable" one ran for 2 pics and now, even by reinstalling it, I can't use it anymore but on the very short test I did, no difference in quality apart for a slightly less noise reduction
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Thanks.
Yes, there's a bit of noise reduction on the picture, even though on Pro mode it seems to be less present.
I have RAW files of those in Pro mode if you want.
Tried Gcam, only the "most stable" one ran for 2 pics and now, even by reinstalling it, I can't use it anymore but on the very short test I did, no difference in quality apart for a slightly less noise reduction
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Well, GCAM has its pros and cons. I still prefer stock RAW but GCAM has its uses in more challenging lightning conditions.
I'm using a V30 with version 18C1 from here:
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-fu24/
It almost never crashes and It has much more details than stock camera but the image also looks a lot more processed. You can also tweak some of the settings to your liking.
I would love to see some raw photos when you have time to share them. After the G4, LG started to use to much noise reduction on jpegs and I only use RAW nowadays.
I only see the black color. Will the white one come in Europe? Some reviewer said something about bad viewing angles . How is yours?
I have the Lg g6 and i'm considering the g8s. Anyone who had the g6 and now the g8s? Impressions?
DrUnKenSTeiN said:
I only see the black color. Will the white one come in Europe? Some reviewer said something about bad viewing angles . How is yours?
I have the Lg g6 and i'm considering the g8s. Anyone who had the g6 and now the g8s? Impressions?
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Sorry for the late reply.
Some countries received the Mirror Black others the Mirror Teal color.
No info about the white one.
In Belgium, the G8S has been cancelled as there was some problems with partners to actually sell it in store but no problem related with the device.
About the viewing angles, I prefer it to others smartphones. I didn't use a lot the zoom lens unfortunately but wide angle and main lens are very good. My father, which has the Galaxy Note 10+ prefered the lenses of the G8S but chosed the Samsung simply for faster updates (even if LG is changing it this year, finally).
I had to change for the G8X last month, the wide lens of this one is very large but interesting for landscapes ^^
About camera quality comparison :
G6 vs G7 : no huge differences
G6 vs G8/G8S : good improvements on night photography, colors are more natural, zoom lens isn't the most useful one
G6 vs G8X : same as G8/G8S, wide angle lens is very very large and thankfully not too fish-eye (the largest of all smartphones as it's 136°)
What's your current security update/SW? I see you have same version as me according to box ("EUA") but I'm on May update and not getting anything newer...
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What's your current security update/SW? I see you have same version as me according to box ("EUA") but I'm on May update and not getting anything newer...
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Try maybe with LG Bridge pc software. I am on November with EAW.
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Hi guys,
Are there any G3 users who upgraded to the G4? I am having second thoughts on upgrading, so I would like your opinion as well.
G3 user here. I won't be upgrading to G4 anytime soon. Leather back sure looks nice but I wouldn't go for real leather since there are reports of the corners wearing off (see Michael Fisher's video from Pocketnow). Quantum Display is also nice; brighter and more saturated display than the G3. I only use mine mostly indoors so I'm still cool with it. The G4's manual camera mode is awesome tho but I think the great devs here can port it to our G3
Got the G4 for testing and currently a G3 owner, its definitely better (display - find it to be a good improvement to G3, general performance - much snappier than G3, including camera performance)
But, I don't find the improvements worthwhile enough to upgrade to a G4.
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Hi guys,
Are there any G3 users who upgraded to the G4? I am having second thoughts on upgrading, so I would like your opinion as well.
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Do it.
Why are you having second thoughts?
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G3 user here. I won't be upgrading to G4 anytime soon. Leather back sure looks nice but I wouldn't go for real leather since there are reports of the corners wearing off (see Michael Fisher's video from Pocketnow). Quantum Display is also nice; brighter and more saturated display than the G3. I only use mine mostly indoors so I'm still cool with it. The G4's manual camera mode is awesome tho but I think the great devs here can port it to our G3
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If your main concern for upgrading your phone is the stupid leather back (which, btw, you don't need to use. It comes with a plastic one as well) then that's ridiculous. Each phone is different FYI. I've seen more reports of people on here who've had the phone for a 1-3 weeks and not an issue.
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Do it.
Why are you having second thoughts?
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I'm actually thinking of either getting G4 or a Nexus 6. I hate to admit it but I get easily bored with my phone. If I get a G4 and it's almost the same as my G3, then I might regret it.
zerodynamyx said:
I'm actually thinking of either getting G4 or a Nexus 6. I hate to admit it but I get easily bored with my phone. If I get a G4 and it's almost the same as my G3, then I might regret it.
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Quite a few selling points compared to the Nexus 6:
IR blaster
SUPER DUPER camera
Those two are my main points. Also, keep in mind that the Nexus 6 is 6", while the G4 is 5.5" - it's easier to hold in one hand. Hopefully the camera isn't all the hyp though. I'm coming from a DSLR - a Nikon D90, and hopefully will replace the DSLR with a phone. Not really sure how that will work.
By the way, the G3 and the Nexus 6 both run very warm - the G4 supposedly doesn't do that since it runs on a 6 core chip, so less thermal throttling. I also recall my G2 getting VERY hot to the touch when I watch videos.
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I'm coming from a DSLR - a Nikon D90, and hopefully will replace the DSLR with a phone. Not really sure how that will work.
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If you think it will replace a dSLR than you are dreaming
LancerV said:
If you think it will replace a dSLR than you are dreaming
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Considering that the D90 I was using is from 2008, I would hope that technology has gotten better for the mobile series. I saw some videos from a few reviewers, comparing them with the Canon EOS series cameras and they were unable to tell the difference unless zoomed all the way in on a 16MP image. I think that's good enough!
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Considering that the D90 I was using is from 2008, I would hope that technology has gotten better for the mobile series. I saw some videos from a few reviewers, comparing them with the Canon EOS series cameras and they were unable to tell the difference unless zoomed all the way in on a 16MP image. I think that's good enough!
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Well considering, flash and lens swap out alone never will have that ability with a phone
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Well considering, flash and lens swap out alone never will have that ability with a phone
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You are 100% correct on that, but most images taken at night shouldn't be used with flash, since it destroys the background. While you can swap flashes and lens, most amateurs stick with a set of wide lens - and rarely do people carry different flashes around. I guess it's really dependent on your usage, but I don't take night pics/indoor pics with flash. And it's interesting that the camera on the G4 has such a large aperture that it matches a lot of the decent lens for DSLRs. With a large apeture, the shutter speed can be lowered without having to bump the ISO up, reducing the need for a flash.
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You are 100% correct on that, but most images taken at night shouldn't be used with flash, since it destroys the background. While you can swap flashes and lens, most amateurs stick with a set of wide lens - and rarely do people carry different flashes around. I guess it's really dependent on your usage, but I don't take night pics/indoor pics with flash. And it's interesting that the camera on the G4 has such a large aperture that it matches a lot of the decent lens for DSLRs. With a large apeture, the shutter speed can be lowered without having to bump the ISO up, reducing the need for a flash.
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Flash should be used indoor, night, day :highfive:
Looking for G4, i have G3. not sure it worth it though, camera is super big, phone is faster u can feel it easily and does look a bit better, other than that...
Anyone that done it and happy?
G3 Owner here, will upgrade to the G4 as soon as my business account rep gets it done.
I have the G3 for sometime going to get my G4 on Monday.
My G4 arrives today, and currently have a g3 that i'm very happy with but my wife wants it, as her z1 is looking a bit worse for wear.
hoping the G4 is a worthy upgrade, but to be honest i dont have any real issues with my G3.
if the camera is any faster to load and focus then I'll be very happy, as the g3 is quick but I want instant !
I have a G3, and pre-ordered my black leather G4 on Verizon this morning!
Better screen, louder speaker, leather back, slightly curved and a better front design IMO. If you're in the US, the free goodies you get from lg.
right now i have both the g3 and g4, and all i can say is g4 is way better in terms of performance compared to g3 camera is really superb! i love those bokeh shots, plus the low light shots; which cant be done on g3. however, it does warm a bit upon eccessive usage; but right now im still using my good 'ol g3 as g4 doesnt have root yet , and most of my root apps (adaway, titanium backup, etc) will not yet work with my g4. hopefully root will be out sooner...
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I upgraded from the G2 (had it only a month because I switched carriers and knew I was getting the G3--used it to tie me over) to the G3 and got my G4 on Friday. Loving it so far. The leather is nice, but I'm worried about it's durability. I'm worried about touching it with dirty hands or laying it down somewhere where it could get dirty. The subtle curved screen is awesome, the colors pop (and I keep my brightness at around 15%). I replaced the launcher with Novo. I miss the smart screen feature but found an app replacement on Google Play. It may be a subtle upgrade, but why fix something that isn't broke. Unlike HTC who does subtle upgrades, but still can't make a camera worth the price tag. For most, battery life and cameras are two big things they look for in a new phone.
Dears,
I would like devote a thread to celebrate the new LG Jewel, a V30 we look for ages since the firsts POLEDs of Flex.
wolfgart got it... me as well it's the 300L and... you?
What you are waiting for?
Cheers
P.S: Here you can check 2 albums of pictures I did with the V30.
https://ibb.co/album/cKB0rF
https://ibb.co/album/dP6uJv
Congrats, I am impatiently waiting mine !
I would like to know how do you find the screen compared to the Samsung Note 7/8 or S8/SS8+, if you had/have any of these phones.
Did you yet noticed any shortcomings of the korean version?
Cheers~
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P.S: Here you can check 2 albums of pictures I did with the V30.
https://ibb.co/album/cKB0rF
https://ibb.co/album/dP6uJv
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Are you taking these photos in an arabic country ? which city you made me curious
It's Dubai
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Dears...
Cheers
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Congrats for having extra phone. I hope that i will buy this phone in near future.
Please can you make some "selfie" camera comparison LG v30 vs OP5 or Note 8? Because I read that selfie camera on V30 is very bad. I see that is not so good at night, but how is at day? Is selfie camera really bad?
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P.S: Here you can check 2 albums of pictures I did with the V30.
https://ibb.co/album/cKB0rF
https://ibb.co/album/dP6uJv
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I look at this photo but why are every photo with big noise? :/
And it will be good if you or your firends have Note 8 and Iphone 8 Plus and made several photos comparison with LG v30 vs Note 8 vs Iphone 8 Plus. Because LG v30 should made best photo for low light and night but for know how I see i dont have very good comparison on the internet.
P. S. Is still beta software on the phone or it is release full version?
Hi dears,
the V300L I have is the final consumer one but the firmware is still in beta.
Today the first firmware update: now it's V10j with Google patch up to September 1th. It is an update of 297MB but I didn't see any log online.
I confirm... there is a lot to work around for the picture and video quality but we have the hardware... it's just a software deal.
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Hi dears,
the V300L I have is the final consumer one but the firmware is still in beta.
Today the first firmware update: now it's V10j with Google patch up to September 1th. It is an update of 297MB but I didn't see any log online.
I confirm... there is a lot to work around for the picture and video quality but we have the hardware... it's just a software deal.
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Thx a lot for super fast answer on my post
I never have LG. So do you think that they will (can) improve video and photo on V30?
p.s. a VS did with iPhone 7 and iOS 11.
https://ibb.co/album/gXZpJv
isko01 said:
I never have LG. So do you think that they will (can) improve video and photo on V30?
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Yes, absolutely. It is the first firmware and the V series is the LG flagship world wide.
For me v300s version 10j
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P.S: Here you can check 2 albums of pictures I did with the V30.
https://ibb.co/album/cKB0rF
https://ibb.co/album/dP6uJv
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can't say I'm all that impressed by the camera. It fine and all not not a anything too different from other flagships. From other pictures I've seen all that talk about glass lens and 1.6 aperture doesn't really translate to anything special. Larger aperture but a smaller actual sensor doesn't really gain you much it seems. I've seen at least one person say the auto mode isn't that great, just like the V20. Hopefully, I'm wrong and it's an improvement.
The DAC is what keeps me interested, and maybe video.
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can't say I'm all that impressed by the camera. It fine and all not not a anything too different from other flagships
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I should agree. After using my new V300SJ10 I'm kinda disappointed in the wide-angle camera. The image is sometimes blurry on the sides/top/bottom, and looks like it was caused by the software, not hardware (even with both HDR and noise reduction OFF, and even in good light conditions). Hope it will be fixed in the next updates.
I'm impressed with the portrait camera though, it makes really great pictures! The video quality is very good as well.
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I should agree. After using my new V300SJ10 I'm kinda disappointed in the wide-angle camera. The image is sometimes blurry on the sides/top/bottom, and looks like it was caused by the software, not hardware (even with both HDR and noise reduction OFF, and even in good light conditions). Hope it will be fixed in the next updates.
I'm impressed with the portrait camera though, it makes really great pictures! The video quality is very good as well.
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Can you tell me is big difference between video at 1080p 30fps and 1080p 60fps? Because in my OP5 when I turn on 1080p 60fps is much darker then 1080p 30fps.
Is it any differences in video quality in 60fps vs 30fps?
sev7en said:
P.S: Here you can check 2 albums of pictures I did with the V30.
https://ibb.co/album/cKB0rF
https://ibb.co/album/dP6uJv
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Thanks. But you take pictures wrong. You should set HDR to off when taking photos indoors on V30. Look how blurry V30 gets when HDR is on
It's not OK but HDR is to blame, not camera itself
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I should agree. After using my new V300SJ10 I'm kinda disappointed in the wide-angle camera. The image is sometimes blurry on the sides/top/bottom, and looks like it was caused by the software, not hardware (even with both HDR and noise reduction OFF, and even in good light conditions). Hope it will be fixed in the next updates.
I'm impressed with the portrait camera though, it makes really great pictures! The video quality is very good as well.
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P. S. And you said "portrait" camera? Did LG V30 have Portrait mode like iPhone 7 Plus/ 8 Plus? I know that LG G6 don't have but ot will be nice to have it.
Damn it looks like the camera isn't much better than the G6. That chromatic aberration at night reminds me of my 15 year old point and shoot Nikon... I wonder if it's LGs crappy ? app? I tried the Google pixel camera app and it wasn't this bad.
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Can you tell me is big difference between video at 1080p 30fps and 1080p 60fps? Because in my OP5 when I turn on 1080p 60fps is much darker then 1080p 30fps.
Is it any differences in video quality in 60fps vs 30fps?
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No, I didn't notice any visible changes, at least at home daylight environment.
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P. S. And you said "portrait" camera? Did LG V30 have Portrait mode like iPhone 7 Plus/ 8 Plus? I know that LG G6 don't have but ot will be nice to have it.
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Yes, by portrait camera I meant the main "16 MP f/1.6" camera. The second "13 MP f/1.9" one is not as good as the first one
By the way, I've also tested sound quality today and I'm not impressed
I was thinking of replacing my COWON Plenue D player with the V30, but unfortunately the sound difference is pretty noticeable, COWON sounds much clearer and open (by much, I mean, that I can pass blind test for sure). Maybe some people would find it subtle, but I like electronic music and this difference is huge for me. For testing I used FLACs by the "Demoscene Time Machine" guy (like this: https://soundcloud.com/demoscenetimemachine/demoscene-time-machine-memcpy) and Sennheiser IE80 buds. Both COWON and V30 EQ settings was set to Normal (HiFi DAC was enabled in V30, tried different settings, even EQ, but nothing helped).
The phone is pretty much cramped all together with other noise emitting components. Audiophiles pretty much know that there isn't much sound quality expected other than the extra amp power. We tried the high impedance mode and we weren't impressed either.
Camera = not yet there
Software = not yet there
Quad DAC = not close to a $100-500 portable dac
POLED screen = needs improvements
Battery = showed positive endurance results
We can say it is jack of all trades, master of none.
LG V30 Review: A Near Masterpiece for Media Producers
https://www.tomsguide.com/us/lg-v30,review-4753.html
They used an AT&T LG V30. Has some good and bad -- but mostly good.
Not sure what was up with their battery, however.
ChazzMatt said:
LG V30 Review: A Near Masterpiece for Media Producers
https://www.tomsguide.com/us/lg-v30,review-4753.html
They used an AT&T LG V30. Has some good and bad, but mostly good.
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Good read I'd say. Liked to see the section "Stellar oled screen". Did they do the 4 condition display test I wonder?
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Good read I'd say. Liked to see the section "Stellar oled screen". Did they do the 4 condition display test I wonder?
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Yeah..
Display: A stellar OLED screen
As polished as the design is, it's the V30's display that commands your attention. The 6-inch OLED panel, which has a resolution of 2880 x 1440, has everything you could ask for in a modern smartphone screen. Even ordinary UI elements and app icons burst off the surface with vivid colors and a crispness rivaled only by Samsung's top-line Galaxy fleet.
The latest Justice League trailer looked good enough — but if you really want to see what the V30 can do, fire up some HDR content on YouTube. I watched some Planet Earth-style footage of the Australian wilderness, and the V30 demonstrated the full range of its capabilities with perfect blacks, striking contrast and an impressive range of colors that deftly picked up the nuances of a sunset scene.
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A weird contrast compared to https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2017/10/16/16457544/lg-v30-review-design
The inconsistency between reviews when it comes to screen quality makes me worry
LG V30 review: Stunning hardware optimized for media creators and audio lovers
http://www.zdnet.com/product/lg-v30/
Review of T-Mobile retail version. He loves it, says battery life has improved from the preproduction version he had before release.
He says he likes it better than the Note 8, which he also has.
The LG V30 is a gorgeous, well-made smartphone that keeps pulling my T-Mobile SIM back from the Note 8, HTC U11, and other smartphones. There are other phones out there with compelling features, but LG brings everything together in such an elegant package with the V30 that it is tough not to love this phone.
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People wanting to trash this phone will be disappointed with this review.
The only quibbles are he doesn't like LG's auto brightness, and he thinks maybe it's priced about $100 too high.
Now that you have had the V30, what improvements would you want LG to make for the V40?
Mine are as follows....
- 8mp front facing camera with bigger pixels and/or better aperture
- Stereo speakers
- Charge at least a tiny bit faster.
- LED notification light
- Metal back like V20 (doesn't have to be removable)
- 6GB of RAM
Then of course whatever the most recent SOC is at the time of release, but that's a given. If LG keeps the same form factor, keeps all other features, then adds those I listed above, I believe it'd be the perfect phone! What do you want improved?
Also hopefully with some software updates its possible LG could improve the front camera and charging speed of the V30 in the meantime!
I sign for all the above (except metal back, I don't care about it), plus:
- Power button at the right side of the phone (sometimes it's annoying to pick up the device just to power it off (double tap is a solution, but not as convenient)) OR fingerprint sensor under the bottom part of the screen
- As an alternative to LED notification light I would be happy with the built-in Always On Screen feature with custom icons ("NoLED" app like feature)
- And the most important one - leave all current features, design and behavior AS IS!
The very straight forward handful, at least for me, are:
Better OLED panel (larger and higher quality)
Double the RAM (because the V30 should have had 6GB)
Dual-SIM US model with band 71
Stock Android (LG's skin sucks)
Unlockable bootloader with all fastboot and ADB commands intact on all models.
I think your list would be similar to my own.
1) Stereo speakers
2) 6GB RAM
3) Better front facing camera
Only thing is that I'm sure with stereo speakers, the device will be heavier and may have larger bezel. It would be a possible trade off but man I love how light and how little bezel there is.
Edit: 4) The ability to root it! LOL
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Stereo speakers will mean bigger bezels and possibly something else disappearing. (Battery, headphone jack, something else) And let's face it, phone speakers never actually sound good. Ever.
Better selfie camera would also mean bigger top bezel. Increasing the megapixel count by 3 megapixels is nothing. 99% of people can't tell the difference in standard viewing. You have to quadruple the number of megepixels before most people can actually tell the difference. That would mean a 20mp camera and not 8. Of course, then you run into the problem of squeezing 20mp onto a tiny sensor and all of the headaches that come with that. (Noise, sooo much noise) Or, your other option is to use a bigger sensor with bigger pixels which means a bigger bezel. All around it's a lose lose situation.
A lot of changes I see being asked for in order to make them worthwhile changes would lead to drastic design differences.
I'm actually pretty happy with the V30 as it is. I would maybe like to see the wide angle camera get just a tad better with AF but that's about it.
Release date? Does that count as an improvement? ??
Better camera, front facing speakers. They could literally leave editing else the same and I'd be happy.
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- Stereo speakers
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are mostly useless , but make bezels larger, make phone heavier, bulkier, more prone to speaker failure, damage. With having Bluetooth earphones usage of stereo speakers tends to zero
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- Charge at least a tiny bit faster.
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Who deprives you from charging V30 faster with proper QuickCharge 3.0 charger? Buy one and get charging at QC 3.0 speeds. LG never puts QC 3.0 charger into boxes, only QC 2.0 capable ones. Even with G5, V20 and G6 they've put QC 2.0 adapters, same as goes with V30
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- LED notification light
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Useless when having Bluetooth speakers and AoD. Waste of bezels, space and BOM (bill of materials)
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- Metal back like V20 (doesn't have to be removable)
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Then altogether forget of so much useful Qi Charging AND waterproof. For you can't glue metal to metal frame
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What do you want improved?
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V30 is perfect mostly already as is, BUT with small but very BIG exception, it lacks EAS sched governor which makes it WAY more slower than even Huawei competitive offers, not to mention Pixels and onepluses. LG lacks very huge times in storage speed benchmarks due to garbage kernel and storage drivers code. lack of proper governor added to poor storage code leads to very lags, stutters, jittering and hickups turning users towards Pixel 2 XL or even Mate 10/Note 8
And also camera needs to be updated and updated heavily. It's software processing, as well as ****ty OIS and HDR performance makes V30 not even suitable for who it directed at: for vlogers/pornhub/xhamster submitters and etc. LG must somehow license HDR+ algorithm from Google, or better yet start to put newest Sony IMX400 modules into V40 and make use of it's internal memory to implement sort of own HDR Plus analogue and vastly improve EIS Steady Shot 2.0 for as of now OIS+EIS performance is garbage and purely pathetic. I was looking into updating V20 to V30 but as of now it's pointless at all with all those shortcomings and hidden issues, mostly with OS
1. Get rid of selfie cam. (Narcissistic and a security vulnerability.)
2. Metal housing. (Glass is for wireless charging, which is slow.)
3. Huge battery.
4. Plain Android without skin, bloat, or unnecessary bells and whistles. A version that enables users to do their own security patching without the mfg and carriers imposing months and years of delays. (Oreo?)
5. A hi-fi DAC that just works, with all apps, without all the unnecessary crap like auto adjustment of gain based on detected load impedance, user-selectable filters, etc. , and without the apps limited to the LG audio and a couple other audio apps.
6. A display free of burn-in.
7. And of course, IP68 or better, SD or next gen user expandable memory, unlocked bootloader and root, carrier unlocked, and how about more attention to eliminating defects (faults, "bugs" by whatever name).
Why can't they make improvements on the LG G7? Why do you have to wait for LG V40?
The V30 is really just a better LG G6. LG should stop taking the view that the "G" models need to be inferior to the "V" models. They could do like Samsung and push out TWO top tier flagships per year, like the Galaxy S/S+ and Note series. Samsung doesn't cripple the S series to "save" it for the "Note" series. They put the everything into the Galaxy S and then try to make Note even better. The only reason the Note has 6GB RAM and the Galaxy S8/S8+ doesn't is because early 2017 6GB RAM was not yet the norm. By late 2017, it is. There's where LG messed up. The LG V30 should have 6GB RAM.
For the LG G6, LG had the STUPID regionalize specs scheme and you couldn't buy an LG G6 with ALL the specs. Asian countries had more storage and DAC, but U.S. had Qi wireless charging. Then the LG G6+ (released in July! still with Snapdragon 821!) even had regionalized specs (Europe version still didn't have Qi wireless), and none of the LG G6+ could be bootloader unlocked.
But, yeah, I agree.
Stereo speakers would be nice.
Maybe a little bigger battery.
At least 6GB RAM
Better selfie camera just to shut people up. I'm tired of hearing about it.
For those suggesting full metal back that's ridiculous. Can't have full metal back because I will not buy a phone without Qi wireless charging. Every since I had the 2013 LG Nexus 5 it's on my "must have" list and I'm not giving it up now.
Headphone jack on the bottom so its more usable
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Why can't they make improvements on the LG G7? Why do you have to wait for LG V40?
The V30 is really just a better LG G6. LG should stop taking the view that the "G" models need to be inferior to the "V" models. They could do like Samsung and push out TWO top tier flagships per year, like the Galaxy S/S+ and Note series. Samsung doesn't cripple the S series to "save" it for the "Note" series
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Yeah? Really? Where's second x2 zoom camera in S8? In s8 Plus? Where's Spen and all that accompanying soft in S8? Where 6Gig memory in S8? 6Gig were norm for 2016 xiaomis and oneplus , for 2017 8Gig is already a norma but even Note 8 still stripped of extra 2Gig.
And LG is already doing like Samsung, G6 is like S8 when V30 is like Note 8. V30 in NOT a G6 Plus like every one pretend it to be
The Samsung S series is inferior to Note series and always had been. How would LG market V series if G would have had all same specs but in lesser size? It's only Google's and Apple way to sell pixel with pixel XL and iPhone with iPhone Plus. LG can't afford it
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Yeah? Really? Where's second x2 zoom camera in S8? In s8 Plus? Where's Spen and all that accompanying soft in S8? Where 6Gig memory in S8? 6Gig were norm for 2016 xiaomis and oneplus , for 2017 8Gig is already a norma but even Note 8 still stripped of extra 2Gig.
And LG is already doing like Samsung, G6 is like S8 when V30 is like Note 8. V30 in NOT a G6 Plus like every one pretend it to be
The Samsung S series is inferior to Note series and always had been. How would LG market V series if G would have had all same specs but in lesser size? It's only Google's and Apple way to sell pixel with pixel XL and iPhone with iPhone Plus. LG can't afford it
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Your questions are answered in my post. Read it again. I even specifically mentioned the RAM. Reading comprehension.
Just because some minor players put in more RAM to make a splash, that's not the mainstream norm. And you know it. Just like 21MP selfie cameras are not the norm, but at least one company is doing it.
Sony puts 4K displays on their phones, is still NOT the norm.
You only quoted the part you read, is that it?
My post stands and fully answers everything you mentioned, either specifically or implied.
LG already did silly things in the past like putting 2Gb of memory first, before Samsung. How did it help it? They people then still found ****loads of issues and wrote lists and lists and lists of "What LG should do in it's next smartphone to at least catch Samsung"
Look, LG smartphones is already better than competitors. No point in that "Oh, if it would have +2Gb more I'd have bought it". Nope, you wouldn't buy because if it had +2Gb more you would find next wish like "Oh, I wish lg put telephoto camera like every other vendor uses and strip that silly useless wide angle one" and so on and on yadda-yadda
Wish list from most to least:
Strong desire
1) Faster camera - focus is too slow in dimmer light and I keep missing shots of my dog that were very easy to capture with my S7 edge. Maybe 1.4um instead of 1.0um so there's more light for easier focusing.
2) An easy way to launch camera when the screen is on. Double tapping the volume down button is great when the screen is off but I'd like an easier way to start the camera when I'm using the phone. Maybe a dedicated camera/shutter button to replace the power button.
3) Better speaker - The one on the V30 is just too tinny. I usually listen to music in the shower but after being used to the S7 edge speaker, which does decent lows and provides a fuller sound, this one just sounds like racket. (Not dual speakers though because I prefer smaller bezels - I find no instance where listening to phone speakers trumps using earphones)
Nice to have
4) Better front facing camera - I don't take many selfies but there is a clear difference between the quality of other selfie cams vs. the one on the V30. For most intents and purposes, the 5mp one does OK, but if I'm taking a group selfie, I'd prefer the image to be higher quality than just a solo selfie.
5) Gesture controls on the fingerprint reader - to pull down the notification bar or scroll through websites.
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Who deprives you from charging V30 faster with proper QuickCharge 3.0 charger? Buy one and get charging at QC 3.0 speeds. LG never puts QC 3.0 charger into boxes, only QC 2.0 capable ones. Even with G5, V20 and G6 they've put QC 2.0 adapters, same as goes with V30
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Stock charger with the V20 is QC3, so says the inline meter i have. V20's charger is QC3 , chances are good so is the V30
I saw no difference in charging speeds between stock and a ravpower charger.
What did speed up charge rates was using a thicker cable. I used the charging cable from the G4as the V20 also has USB 2 and stuck a micro usb to usb c adapter on it and saw the meter touch 15W. With the stock flat cable it wouldn't cross 14W
They should adopt features that have been done with other phones.
Gestures:
I like the OP5T gestures - both while screen is off, and on the fp reader.
Battery:
For roughly the same physical size - they could fit in a larger battery like 4000 mah.
If Huawei can do it, then so can everyone else.
Display:
Fix whatever the issues are regarding screen uniformity, blue tint, etc, etc, etc.
Camera:
I am not sure what the deal is with recent cameras from all the manufacturers - preferring noise reduction over DETAIL, but please go back to the basics on this.
Do whatever you need to do, to produce photos like Google's camera.
OR, if you are going to overhaul the camera app - at least give the user the option to select AUTO modes that allow for the capturing of more Detail.
Headphone Jack
I, too, would prefer the jack to be on the BOTTOM of the phone.
FP Reader
Much like the OP5T, make it out of CERAMIC - so that it won't be scratched/damaged easily
Versions
I agree that they have to STOP with all the flavors, and just make the BEST phone with ALL the features they can possibly cram in to their phones.
No more regional versions, no more G series is inferior to V series - just give us the best - don't hold back.
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For the LG G6, LG had the STUPID regionalize specs scheme and you couldn't buy an LG G6 with ALL the specs. Asian countries had more storage and DAC, but U.S. had Qi wireless charging. Then the LG G6+ (released in July! still with Snapdragon 821!) even had regionalized specs (Europe version still didn't have Qi wireless), and none of the LG G6+ could be bootloader unlocked.
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This was a carrier thing. Carriers aren't that prevalent in Asia and guess what no screwing around with specs
G4, G5 were the same for everyone (the brazilians and russians got a lower spec'd G5 but otherwise it was the same)
The circus began with the G6
See the V30, pretty much the same for everyone
Why the V30+, more competitive in some markets. I don't get a V30 only v30+ in mine
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Adding OIS would be good
But I have this feeling that LG will try to fit a third camera in there, maybe a 2x. They will be vertical set instead of the present horizontal.
This means smaller sensors all around :/
Or they could try to just improve what's already there
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This was a carrier thing. Carriers aren't that prevalent in Asia and guess what no screwing around with specs
G4, G5 were the same for everyone (the brazilians and russians got a lower spec'd G5 but otherwise it was the same)
The circus began with the G6
See the V30, pretty much the same for everyone
Why the V30+, more competitive in some markets. I don't get a V30 only v30+ in mine
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Adding OIS would be good
But I have this feeling that LG will try to fit a third camera in there, maybe a 2x. They will be vertical set instead of the present horizontal.
This means smaller sensors all around :/
Or they could try to just improve what's already there
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No, it was an LG thing. They said they did it on purpose - only giving certain specs to various parts of the world, to ostensibly keep costs down and give the "popular" options for each region.
But it was an idiotic idea. Like the U.S. buyers want Qi wireless charging, but not more storage?
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No, it was an LG thing. They said they did it on purpose - only giving certain specs to various parts of the world, to ostensibly keep costs down and give the "popular" options for each region.
But it was an idiotic idea. Like the U.S. buyers want Qi wireless charging, but not more storage?
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I don't believe it was an LG thing. i think the carriers twisted their arm over it to keep costs down and make LG competitive.
Who are the biggest customers of phones ? operators
Seen 2 videos so far of the V30 up against the S9 series and its holding its own quite well.
What are you guys opinions?
V30 for better battery and camera. End of story.
If you had an S8 right now you would be better off on both those parameters than with an S9
Sammy will fix things. The snapdragon seems to be ok with battery but the exynos variant doesn't do well for battery. Further optimisation needed especially for exynos
Camera issues will be the same for both
Fixes needed which is kinda strange because these aren't the kind of problems Korean phones have ootb
Had both, sold the S9+ after 10 days, couldn't get on with Sammy software and device was just a little too big and heavy. Very happy to have gone back to my V30.
Seriously, not sure how you can even think about saying that the V30 camera is better than the S9, unless you are talking about granularity of controls. The quality of the S9+ blows the doors off the v30..especially indoors/low light. I have both and the S9+ is being shipped back to Samsung tomorrow because I love my V30 size and feel, not to mention the wide angle lens. However, saying v30 camera quality is better than S9+ is laughable. V30 is still a decent camera though and I can't do without wide-angle lens. I'm not sure why others have not done it...oh wait, maybe we need Apple to do it first then EVERYONE else will. lol
i owned lg v30 plus for 5 months and i got S9plus from 10 days and i sold it back yesterday and returned to my lgv30 the reason behind that s9plus has a big problem with dropping calls and during the call i am loosing the connection and got silence for 5 to 10 sec on the same conditions i was using lg in i searched and found it's a common problem and they are waiting a fix through an update the second thing is battery life the s9+ doesn't hold for a day with the same usage , also the network switching between 4g and 3g is going crazy and so bad with s9+
sure the camera of S9+ much better than lg v30 especially the front facing camera which is a **** in low light in lg v30
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sure the camera of S9+ much better than lg v30 especially the front facing camera which is a **** in low light in lg v30
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Nobody picks a phone on the strength of the front camera.
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Seriously, not sure how you can even think about saying that the V30 camera is better than the S9, unless you are talking about granularity of controls. The quality of the S9+ blows the doors off the v30..especially indoors/low light. I have both and the S9+ is being shipped back to Samsung tomorrow because I love my V30 size and feel, not to mention the wide angle lens. However, saying v30 camera quality is better than S9+ is laughable. V30 is still a decent camera though and I can't do without wide-angle lens. I'm not sure why others have not done it...oh wait, maybe we need Apple to do it first then EVERYONE else will. lol
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heh, what do you even know about cameras ? The V30 has a F1.6, the S9 is F1.5. So in what way does the S9 blow away the V30 again ?
https://youtu.be/NLsezWgArh4
I'm not seeing the 'quality' of the S9 blow away its predecessors here. Oh! they happen to be F1.7's btw Why's that ? F1.5 an all
https://youtu.be/lW1p8ONzmOY
Why is the S9 struggling to get focus in scenes the last three generations would not. You mean to tell me the V30 or any LG since the G4 would have trouble focusing in these low light scenes ? Forget LG, S6 up to S8 would have no problem in those scenes
The only place i give sammy the edge is faster focus with video. You do much video ?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=75896403&postcount=9
Demonstrates the problem with dual aperture and stills within a certain range of light levels
First has a higher ISO than necesary and thererfore will lose at the pixel level in terms of details to every good camera that came out since 2015, the second blows out the image entirely with the oh so amazing f1.5
Numerous photos i see this overbrightening going on. Why. if HDR+ makes photos low contrast ie flat and boring then the S9 is making them worse for no good reason
Now, i have zero problems having to use manual if it means i get a better photo, in fact a camera that doesn't have manual is worthless as far as i'm concerned but try telling that to someone who just bought this phone for the camera. Paid big bucks for it
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i owned lg v30 plus for 5 months and i got S9plus from 10 days and i sold it back yesterday and returned to my lgv30 the reason behind that s9plus has a big problem with dropping calls and during the call i am loosing the connection and got silence for 5 to 10 sec on the same conditions i was using lg in i searched and found it's a common problem and they are waiting a fix through an update the second thing is battery life the s9+ doesn't hold for a day with the same usage , also the network switching between 4g and 3g is going crazy and so bad with s9+
sure the camera of S9+ much better than lg v30 especially the front facing camera which is a **** in low light in lg v30
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Hi,
Did you get Android Oreo update for LG V30 plus? Any idea when it will arrive ?
I almost sold my V30+ for a S9+ but to be honest, I wouldn't be rushing out to buy an S9 or S9+ just yet. They have a world wide issue with dead spots on the screen... And of course their launcher sucks dogs balls.. Useability is high on my list, and after 5 min playing with the S9+ in store, I wanted to puke.
If you're keen on going Samsung, maybe wait for the Note 9... Samsung just can't get anything right at the moment - seems hardware issue after hardware issue..... Samsung need to take a break, and stop rushing phones to market
My V30+ has been flawless since picking it up in Nov 2017. I'll be sticking with it until the V40+ comes
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heh, what do you even know about cameras ? The V30 has a F1.6, the S9 is F1.5. So in what way does the S9 blow away the V30 again ?
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You know that's not how it works right? Aperture is only one aspect of the amount of light that a sensor picks up, the other being sensor and pixel size.
Although the S9 has more or less the same aperture the pixel size is nearly 50% larger than the v30 pixels, it also has a 1/2.5" sensor versus 1/3.1", this will have a very large effect on low light quality.
For example a full frame sensor has over a stop of extra light gathering ability vs an APSC sensor, equivalent to the jump from an F2.0 to an F1.4 lens, I have no idea what the exact ration will be with these sensors but it is likely to be quite significant.
There is nothing wrong with the V30 camera, but physics dictates it is going to be significantly worse in low light than the S9.
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You know that's not how it works right? Aperture is only one aspect of the amount of light that a sensor picks up, the other being sensor and pixel size.
Although the S9 has more or less the same aperture the pixel size is nearly 50% larger than the v30 pixels, it also has a 1/2.5" sensor versus 1/3.1", this will have a very large effect on low light quality.
For example a full frame sensor has over a stop of extra light gathering ability vs an APSC sensor, equivalent to the jump from an F2.0 to an F1.4 lens, I have no idea what the exact ration will be with these sensors but it is likely to be quite significant.
There is nothing wrong with the V30 camera, but physics dictates it is going to be significantly worse in low light than the S9.
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Agree with what you've said but LG manages to squeeze out a lot from a small sensor despite the smaller pixel size. Have you seen some of the photos from the AI camera that only the Korean variant has for now. They have improved clarity and sharpness over the past.
The V30 will be a more reliable shooter than the S9 in the examples i've cited. The V30 would not have the problems the S9 has.
Did you see Max's video ? i looked at every photo he took at the pixel level and was shaking my head over how the S9 couldn't get focus. What good is the biggest sensor going to do in that case
The S8 or Note 8 would be better competition to the V30. If you can handhold 1/2s you will beat what auto can do on the V30 because you let in two full stops of light in this case. That will exceed what a bigger sensor can do unless you repeat the same with it as well
Video isn't going to be too far off due to the small differernce in aperture, only focus will be quicker with samsung. And this is the strange thing, focus is fast on video but couldn't do it with stills
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Agree with what you've said but LG manages to squeeze out a lot from a small sensor despite the smaller pixel size.
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Yes I think it is a great camera, with the best software implementation and interface I've tried.
But low light is not its strong point, in saying that mobile cameras are always so bad there versus my dedicated cameras that it doesn't matter that much, if I expect to want to take usable night shots I'd take a real camera. On the other hand the wide angle camera on this has amazed me for daytime landscape shots.
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Yes I think it is a great camera, with the best software implementation and interface I've tried.
But low light is not its strong point, in saying that mobile cameras are always so bad there versus my dedicated cameras that it doesn't matter that much, if I expect to want to take usable night shots I'd take a real camera. On the other hand the wide angle camera on this has amazed me for daytime landscape shots.
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The one camera that will dethrone all is potentially the P20 pro. You can take 4s handheld shots. Sharp. Get this it has no OIS!
Low light handling with huawei has always been good, the problem is you need a way to stabilise it. The image quality improves considerably if you let it have 10s say. It won't get brighter just better details
Course that is just the stills department, Video is likely to be another story.
I think low light has improved over the years in terms of how high ISO can go before you don't have a usable photo
Upto 2014 - no higher than ISO 400
2015 - goes up to ISO 800
2017 - now i think 1250 possibly 1600 is usable
No competition against your dedicated camera but you will always have your phone with you
That wide angle has a magic effect on people even those that don't like to take photos with phones
https://youtu.be/8fRGQ33Q4eU
Thats the G5 and you get the idea
Main reason i wont switch to Samsung is phone size dimensions and screen ratio. Dont like the long and narrow screen that samsung is using.
In my opinion the lg v30 has the perfect size.
Can't find any v30 vs S9 photo comparisons with originals to pixel peep. None out there
I want to see the S9 'blowing away' the V30
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Agree with what you've said but LG manages to squeeze out a lot from a small sensor despite the smaller pixel size. Have you seen some of the photos from the AI camera that only the Korean variant has for now. They have improved clarity and sharpness over the past.
The V30 will be a more reliable shooter than the S9 in the examples i've cited. The V30 would not have the problems the S9 has.
Did you see Max's video ? i looked at every photo he took at the pixel level and was shaking my head over how the S9 couldn't get focus. What good is the biggest sensor going to do in that case
The S8 or Note 8 would be better competition to the V30. If you can handhold 1/2s you will beat what auto can do on the V30 because you let in two full stops of light in this case. That will exceed what a bigger sensor can do unless you repeat the same with it as well
Video isn't going to be too far off due to the small differernce in aperture, only focus will be quicker with samsung. And this is the strange thing, focus is fast on video but couldn't do it with stills
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Sorry, I love my v30 and it is still my daily driver (shipped the S9+ back today) but in auto mode the S9 was better in almost every situation for me. Not by much except with low light. You can spout stats all day long but unless you are using manual mode the v30 did not come close to the S9. See album. It is almost like someone turns a light on with the S9 photos compared to the v30. I don't know about video since i don't use it much but in low light I can't see how the v30 could produce better/less noise in video either.
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Sorry, I love my v30 and it is still my daily driver (shipped the S9+ back today) but in auto mode the S9 was better in almost every situation for me. Not by much except with low light. You can spout stats all day long but unless you are using manual mode the v30 did not come close to the S9. See album. It is almost like someone turns a light on with the S9 photos compared to the v30. I don't know about video since i don't use it much but in low light I can't see how the v30 could produce better/less noise in video either.
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Good, now we can have a conversation. I noticed both LG shots used AI shutter, this is LG's more intelligent night shot.
For a scene like this manual will get you a clearer shot, Been that way since the G4. Just go into manual and click, you don't change any settings at all. It just disables night shot. Will be sharper. Provided it gets focus which i think it did in your shots. Night shot is a mixed bag, there are times it will do quite well and others where it can make things worse
The one of the flowers is what makes you think the light got turned on. It's using spot metering there. The one with the trucks is using the default centre weighted. Note how the exposure is the same but the clarity is better with the S9.
The flowers is interesting because it used 1/5, the auto shots i've seen had it go no slower than 1/10. Well that's a stop's more light AND coupled with a high iso will turn night into day
Drop the LG down to 1/4 and you do the same compared to auto which won't go below 1/10
Pity you've sent it back it would have been good to try some more experiments
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Good, now we can have a conversation. I noticed both LG shots used AI shutter, this is LG's more intelligent night shot.
For a scene like this manual will get you a clearer shot, Been that way since the G4. Just go into manual and click, you don't change any settings at all. It just disables night shot. Will be sharper. Provided it gets focus which i think it did in your shots. Night shot is a mixed bag, there are times it will do quite well and others where it can make things worse
The one of the flowers is what makes you think the light got turned on. It's using spot metering there. The one with the trucks is using the default centre weighted. Note how the exposure is the same but the clarity is better with the S9.
The flowers is interesting because it used 1/5, the auto shots i've seen had it go no slower than 1/10. Well that's a stop's more light AND coupled with a high iso will turn night into day
Drop the LG down to 1/4 and you do the same compared to auto which won't go below 1/10
Pity you've sent it back it would have been good to try some more experiments
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I understand all that, I'm just saying full auto, which is how most users will use the camera. The v30 is lacking. I don't want to have to press buttons and adjust settings. I just want to pull my phone out and quickly snap a photo or I'll miss the moment. Again, love my v30 and won't give it up for the better camera. However, if I want the best all around quick/auto/consistent camera phone I'll just reach over and grab my wife's pixel 2.
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I understand all that, I'm just saying full auto, which is how most users will use the camera. The v30 is lacking. I don't want to have to press buttons and adjust settings. I just want to pull my phone out and quickly snap a photo or I'll miss the moment.
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And you can do just that if it launches in manual for static subjects in low light. No adjusting settings. Everything is in auto.
The one quirk i've noticed with the V30 only is it doesn't always disable night shot. So even in manual this happens. Didn't happen with earlier LG's
That's the best you can get. So if you compare that with what the sammy does then you will know if any of this pixel micron thing makes a difference or not
Sammy doesn't use a nightshot and i've rolled my eyes as the years went on when comparisons were made with LG's by people who didn't know what to do. So this canard that LG can't do low light very well came up. Reviewers won't do it but users learn early on
One Twelve said:
And you can do just that if it launches in manual for static subjects in low light. No adjusting settings. Everything is in auto.
The one quirk i've noticed with the V30 only is it doesn't always disable night shot. So even in manual this happens. Didn't happen with earlier LG's
That's the best you can get. So if you compare that with what the sammy does then you will know if any of this pixel micron thing makes a difference or not
Sammy doesn't use a nightshot and i've rolled my eyes as the years went on when comparisons were made with LG's by people who didn't know what to do. So this canard that LG can't do low light very well came up. Reviewers won't do it but users learn early on
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I know the v30 can do much better in low light. i'm saying I don't want to have to switch my phone to manual mode every time I want to take photos indoors or in low light. Even if it is just switching the mode. I always live it in auto. That is how I'm comparing the cameras. LG should do a better job with auto mode, plain and simple. I don't have that issue with Pixel 2 either.
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I know the v30 can do much better in low light. i'm saying I don't want to have to switch my phone to manual mode every time I want to take photos indoors or in low light. Even if it is just switching the mode. I always live it in auto. That is how I'm comparing the cameras. LG should do a better job with auto mode, plain and simple. I don't have that issue with Pixel 2 either.
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They've clung on to the night mode thing for a while now. If that happens the LG's losing almost every time.
I've never understood why they wouldn't allow slower shutter speeds in auto. Getting a 1/4 handheld sharp isn't difficult. I guess they are trying to account for people who might not have the steadiest of hands. Same with sammy too from what i could see with Max's shots. What explains the inability of the S9 to get clear shots ? did you find the S9 wanting for focus when you used it in low light. Your macros were fine, but what about outdoors, a harder test
it's rare you will ever get consistently good low light shots in auto particularly if there's bright lights in them even with the best of cameras. Max likes to show how the pixel can do this. Yeah it can and so can huawei. But it isn't hard to do with manual. One day I went around town at night with one set of settings and clicked away. There wasn't even a need for focus. Shots were instant. Sharp, way better & faster than auto. Took over a hundred shots, sometimes in the road with traffic. I had no more than a second or two.
But the pixel flattens images as well. Getting creative with a pixel with HDR+ on is harder than either of the Koreans. Can't do drama with a pixel. And all its strengths reduce with video because its like any other that too with mono recording in audio instead of stereo. I can't get comfortable with a camera that reduces the owner to a button presser