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HTC ONE which camera app a quick review

With so many choices of camera apps for your HTC ONE, I thought I would put a quick comparison together. This way you get to see the results side by side, making the differences far easier to see. This is not a test of functionality, but more importantly image quality.
The four apps chosen for this test were,
1. HTC One on-board camera app
2. Camera FV-5
3. Camera ICS
4. Camera 360
Each camera app was set to, no zoom, 100 ISO and the photographs were taken under varying light conditions, but the results are still clear to see. All the images below have not been edited and are uploaded as the original files, so feel free to click on the link below each photo to see in larger format.
TEST 1
Camera 360
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http://flic.kr/p/bWqNWq
Camera ICS
http://flic.kr/p/bWqNVu
Camera FV-5
http://flic.kr/p/bWqNNL
HTC Camera
http://flic.kr/p/bWqNNE
As you will see from the images the HTC Camera application does not blow out the whites with over exposure and compared to the camera FV-5 file which is a 12.5 MB PNG compared to the 3 MB HTC camera JPEG file, there is no more detail resolved in the FV-5 photo. In fact all the third party application photos show no more detail and all suffer from over exposure and severe purple fringing.
TEST 2
Camera 360
http://flic.kr/p/bWr6Cy
Camera ICS
http://flic.kr/p/bWr6C9
Camera FV-5
http://flic.kr/p/bWr6Cf
HTC Camera
http://flic.kr/p/bWr6B1
Very similar results once again to test 1, with the HTC camera outperforming the other applications in this comparison.
TEST 3
Camera 360
http://flic.kr/p/bWrizG
Camera ICS
http://flic.kr/p/bWriys
Camera FV-5
http://flic.kr/p/bWriyA
HTC Camera
http://flic.kr/p/bWrixU
At this point the results are becoming consistent and I’m sure to the surprise of many users the HTC camera application is actually superior!
So to conclude:
1st HTC Camera Application
2nd Camera FV-5, Camera ICS, Camera 360 and the results from all three of these were much the same and underwhelming. I’m sure many users will psychologically think these apps have to be better due to the file sizes and adjustable image compression, but this is not seen in practise.
What do you think?
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Do the other camera apps use the image sense chip or just the cpu like most other phones?

Radiognome said:
The four apps chosen for this test were,
1. HTC One on-board camera app
2. Camera FV-5
3. Camera ICS
4. Camera 360
Each camera app was set to, no zoom, 100 ISO and the photographs were taken under varying light condition
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As you will see from the images the HTC Camera application does not blow out the whites with over exposure...
What do you think?
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Thanks for doing this test.
With a 28mm f2.0 lens, I wonder if apps struggle with automatic exposure control?
It could explain why all apps over expose, if this lens lets in more light than most camera lenses.
Did you try auto ISO?

Firstly robt772000, I would also like to know if the other camera apps use the image sense chip. As I'm sure that I read somewhere that the image data is sent in raw format to the image sense chip for processing.
BenPope, I did not try auto iso for this test, as I wanted to capture the best possible quality from each camera app and also I selected iso 100 to keep the results consistant. But I will run a quick test using auto iso and see if the results change.
Thank you both for your input!

The whole point of Camera FV-5 is customizing all the settings as you would do on a DSLR, you need to know how to better-custom it, if you do so the pictures will look amazing. There is no "auto" setting on camera FV-5, there is also no pre-set config like "sunny" for white balance for instance

L Tavaress, I understand your point, but if the metering is way out on FV-5, you do not have a very good base for customization. All DSLR's depend on accurate metering for any given situation. Not having the luxury of being able to adjust the shutter speed and aperture, leaves you somewhat restricted. With the only options being iso and exposure compensation this will make photo taking painfully slow and many opportunities will be lost, while tumbling for the correct adjustments.

very nice thread here..

Thanks for The thread, very helpfull, I m using all HTC stcok apps, Sense is wonderful, no need to find additional apps... I love The camara, I know its a cell cámara, so i m happy with apps and phone.
Enviado desde mi HTC One X usando Tapatalk 2

So I assume trips cm9 will have a lot of over exposure due to it having the stock ics camera?

Radiognome said:
L Tavaress, I understand your point, but if the metering is way out on FV-5, you do not have a very good base for customization. All DSLR's depend on accurate metering for any given situation. Not having the luxury of being able to adjust the shutter speed and aperture, leaves you somewhat restricted. With the only options being iso and exposure compensation this will make photo taking painfully slow and many opportunities will be lost, while tumbling for the correct adjustments.
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You're right!!! The fixed aperture thing is such a pain in the @$$

LTavaress said:
You're right!!! The fixed aperture thing is such a pain in the @$$
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It can just be compensated with faster shutter speeds to keep exposure down.. Or lower ISO values, which is even better.

robt772000 said:
So I assume trips cm9 will have a lot of over exposure due to it having the stock ics camera?
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Oh. Cm9 uses the aosp camera app. Probably not even wide screen option... I still dont get why people use Cm9. To plain to my taste.
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Wondering what rom version you are on? Am guessing 1.29+?

FOUND AN ALTERNATIVE TO sense camera !
use any camera app and reduce exposure time, you will get almost the same image quality as the sence camera. I have tested this on CM9. worked with Camera FV-5 and Camera360. The settings are saved so u dont have to bother next time u start the app. and it is more convenient on the FV-5(use the latest version). Only thing you will miss is the assum burst mode !! and in video capture. Thats all.
This is most helpful for cm9 users.

The real issue is that this phone has bad saturation and whitebalance settings no matter what camera software you use.

Have you tried vignette? I think the pics are better with that app.

More Shots
Can anyone provide more shots with HTC ONE and third-party cam's (Camera FV-5), after settings tweak?
Is it actually possible, to make pic look better than on stock camera?

The big problem with the One stock app is that in low light it tends to slow the shutter speed too much (for a phone) even with the internal stabilization, something slower than 1/10 sec will end blurry even if you keep your hand still.
The solution will be an app that controls shutter speed or to tweak the stock apk (they just tweaked jpeg compression)

KromerX said:
Can anyone provide more shots with HTC ONE and third-party cam's (Camera FV-5), after settings tweak?
Is it actually possible, to make pic look better than on stock camera?
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This thread is about One X, not the One that came in 2013... Look at the dates of the differents posts before yours...
You revived a thread that is older than a year!

Model name
Blubster said:
This thread is about One X, not the One that came in 2013... Look at the dates of the differents posts before yours...
You revived a thread that is older than a year!
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I see that. But look at the name of this topic. Am I wrong? Or maybe moders are wrong? Or Maybe author just screwed up?
Whatever it was, this topic and model name in it is rather ambiguous.

How good is the camera of Le Pro 3 when the right app is used

This is just to show that Le Pro3 camera has the potential to shine if (only if) you use the right app like Google Camera. For those saying Le Pro 3 camera is a trash, well too bad for you...
First up...
Google Camera (Left) | Default non-HDR | Default HDR
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Nexus 5X vs Le Pro3 (Google Camera App) vs Le Pro3 (Default Camera App)
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Le Pro3 (Google Camera App) vs Le Pro3 (Default Camera App)

What versión of Google camera app???

And where to download the relevant version? Thanks.

sytayeth said:
What versión of Google camera app???
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http://www.apkmirror.com/apk/google-inc/camera/camera-2-7-010-release/

-Tiz- said:
And where to download the relevant version? Thanks.
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http://www.apkmirror.com/apk/google-inc/camera/camera-2-7-010-release/

Weidas said:
Well, using google camera instead of default one does provide sharper images it seems. But the details in shadows are still pretty bad, and there doesnt seem to be any improvement in dynamic range. Tho would be nice to see some more shots in real world, and real lightning, cause those pics of dolls really dont say much. Btw 5x still provides way sharper image with way nicer colors.
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HDR is a must for any smarrtphone with tiny sensor or under-expose the scene and lift the shadows. Unfortunately, HDR is not available if you use Google Camera app on LP3.
I already filed a ticket on LeEco to give us control over noise reduction setting as it is the one killing LP3 shots resulting to soft and painterly effect esp. on low light/night shots.
Nexus 5X is definitely better but take a look at the ISO difference between it and LP3 with Google Camera app. (Hint it was much lower)

Weidas said:
Well, using google camera instead of default one does provide sharper images it seems. But the details in shadows are still pretty bad, and there doesnt seem to be any improvement in dynamic range. Tho would be nice to see some more shots in real world, and real lightning, cause those pics of dolls really dont say much. Btw 5x still provides way sharper image with way nicer colors.
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Here is the edited version just to show that lifting the shadows will help in balancing DR
Default Camera App vs. Google Camera App (50% lift) vs. Default Camera App (50% lift)

18s'es x720 camera is definitly better in low light than any relase of Google camera, witch one pictures are too violet. Only in mine device?

marik1 said:
18s'es x720 camera is definitly better in low light than any relase of Google camera, witch one pictures are too violet. Only in mine device?
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Would be interested to see your comparison. So far with my tests, Google Camera app is superior than default LePro camera app.

The normal are by original cam. This darker is by 360 cam. The violet are by Google Camera

marik1 said:
The normal are by original cam. This darker is by 360 cam. The violet are by Google Camera
https://s12.postimg.org/gd37qdg1p/IMG_20161126_142856.jpg
https://s12.postimg.org/5rjced9q5/IMG_20161126_142844.jpg
https://s12.postimg.org/i7g284325/IMG_20161126_084644.jpg
https://s12.postimg.org/uncs1uwe5/C360_2016_11_26_08_44_49_892.jpg
https://s12.postimg.org/6xncd5y0t/IMG_20161126_084136.jpg
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Strange that I am not getting this violet tint on any of my shots. I will do some testing again to see if I can replicate the issue. Are you using 2.7.010 of Google Camera app?

I used 3 versions; lastest for Android 6.0 witch one crash every change setting in cam, trouble with identifity cam and nearly black light level. 2nd from Le Store, witch as same as third for Android 4.4. i think the last one is this one. 2nd and 3rd had 'violet' trouble.
I tried NEXT time download from Le Store. Today sample was not violet, but still lower quality, like did on 2MPx's and a bit too light. Im boring, may my Le Photo works fine, better than your?

marik1 said:
I used 3 versions; lastest for Android 6.0 witch one crash every change setting in cam, trouble with identifity cam and nearly black light level. 2nd from Le Store, witch as same as third for Android 4.4. i think the last one is this one. 2nd and 3rd had 'violet' trouble.
I tried NEXT time download from Le Store. Today sample was not violet, but still lower quality, like did on 2MPx's and a bit too light. Im boring, may my Le Photo works fine, better than your?
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IQ is definitely better on Google Camera app. Le Eco Camera app is applying over-zealous noise reduction hence making the output soft and killing the detail.

My favorite cam app has been Open Camera for a long time, I'll give it a try. Especially now that I have CM13 running on it, which freaking rocks!:victory: Open camera has options for sharpness, image quality %, and even bitrate. Actually, bitrate in these example photos is probably one of the biggest differences. There's like 3mb difference per picture on the google and HDR shots. In my experience with video, bit rate makes a massive difference in sharpness/resolution and with less noise/blocking so I'm pretty sure the same applies to images.

benjmiester said:
My favorite cam app has been Open Camera for a long time, I'll give it a try. Especially now that I have CM13 running on it, which freaking rocks!:victory: Open camera has options for sharpness, image quality %, and even bitrate. Actually, bitrate in these example photos is probably one of the biggest differences. There's like 3mb difference per picture on the google and HDR shots. In my experience with video, bit rate makes a massive difference in sharpness/resolution and with less noise/blocking so I'm pretty sure the same applies to images.
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CM13 on LEX727? =D

So which camera app would produce the best results with the X727?

darkmuck said:
So which camera app would produce the best results with the X727?
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Sheer detail and sharpness, Google camera app 2.7
HDR, default LeEco camera app.

Joms_US said:
CM13 on LEX727? =D
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Yep. Check out the 'buiding cyanogen' thread, somebody found a build of CM13 from a Chinese Le Pro site and hosted it on their Google drive. You have to be bootloader unlocked (can also do on 727 now). It's great, about 98% working as a daily. I've been on it since I posted that comment. No probs at all. There's a few really tiny things, just check the thread.
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benjmiester said:
My favorite cam app has been Open Camera for a long time, I'll give it a try. Especially now that I have CM13 running on it, which freaking rocks!:victory: Open camera has options for sharpness, image quality %, and even bitrate. Actually, bitrate in these example photos is probably one of the biggest differences. There's like 3mb difference per picture on the google and HDR shots. In my experience with video, bit rate makes a massive difference in sharpness/resolution and with less noise/blocking so I'm pretty sure the same applies to images.
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Note that photos with less detail will just have smaller file size not because of bitrate or bitrate-like functions. The concept of bitrate is not really relevant on pictures.
Though you can play with picture quality (JPEG compression) options, it does not have drastic effects like in video's bitrate unless it is implemented in crazy way. Bitrate restriction for video is there because video files can get very large. Pictures do not so there is no gatekeeper (limitation) to keep the file sizes down.

4K2K said:
Note that photos with less detail will just have smaller file size not because of bitrate or bitrate-like functions. The concept of bitrate is not really relevant on pictures.
Though you can play with picture quality (JPEG compression) options, it does not have drastic effects like in video's bitrate unless it is implemented in crazy way. Bitrate restriction for video is there because video files can get very large. Pictures do not so there is no gatekeeper (limitation) to keep the file sizes down.
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Ah, got it. Good to know if I bump up the quality setting, I won't be making them take up that much more space. I tried open camera (on CM now), but it doesn't have HDR, forgot to upload them. I haven't even looked at them yet! Hope they're good. I couldn't find the best subjects. Just a bunch of stuff in my kitchen to get some colors and details.
These are all with quality at 100% in open cam, default is 95 I believe. Some with flash, some without. Forgot to do a low light, but it's just a low watt LED bulb overhead in a real small apt kitchen.
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[MOD REQUEST] Camera post processing fix (over-saturation, sharpening etc.)

Hi all,
Is there any way to modify stock camera post processing libraries to achieve the results we want? Cinema 4K app is the only one on the market that seems to do the trick - using the camera2 api it can modify the way how the sensor process pixels (that's what they say in the description).
The app itself is extremely buggy, and lacks many features - strange resolutions to choose from, no way to select super-wide lens camera.
LG G6 can make pretty photos (RAW and in manual mode) - auto mode sucks especially in low light. The only con of photo camera is over saturation and awful handling of overexposures.
But my main concern is about videos:
On the firs snapshot you can see video taken with highest bitrate with the stock app with manual settings. The amount of over-saturation, contrast and sharpening is just awful.
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Here you can see different snapshot from the same day, lightening and environment taken with Cinema 4k, which is the only app for android, that offers "Flat" video profile and control of noise reduction processes.
The picture here may appear a little dull - but that's the image to use with post-processing. There is no default sharpening, huge dynamic range and not so saturated colors to grade later. Whole picture is a bit greenish - but it can be easily corrected in post.
If the creator of the app managed how to capture video without any stock processing there must be a way to do it by customising the camera libraries in the stock rom. If we can find out what files are managing the capture process we can not only easy our lives but help people with other phones - i think that too much processing is the main issue everyone encounters these days with phone cameras.
the only thread I found about the topic, but it only covers this one specific phones without any details.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/g5-plus/themes/modcamera-aggressive-sharpening-noise-t3604458
I just bought LG G6 after long struggle between the newest flagship models, tempted by the super wide lens. I switched from Mi 5s on which the video quality was more than superb - especially when using 3rd party flat video mode. The video quality is my main goal in smartphone - I use my mobile for video projects in addition to DSLR's.
EDIT:
I send an email to Cinema 4K devs about: either clues on which files to modify to achieve similar results on other camera app based on open camera/stock camera app, or the info if they plan to continue to develop the App (the last update was made 11.2016)

Out of curiosity what is your G6 model? I've seen a lot of people with H870DS complaining, might be it.

+1
a camera mod would be great

+1 I agree. There is a big potential in the G6s camera but the default algorithms can ruin every photo makes it unnatural and oversharpened. From my side I can promise a donation for those who will work on the mod.

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Out of curiosity what is your G6 model? I've seen a lot of people with H870DS complaining, might be it.
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I have LG-H870, the non dual-sim EU version.
+1 I agree. There is a big potential in the G6s camera but the default algorithms can ruin every photo makes it unnatural and oversharpened. From my side I can promise a donation for those who will work on the mod.
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I can also declare to donate! Maybe someone knows the issue and can link us the thread from other phone, or some clue about which files are handling the camera processing?

For everyone who is searching for post-processing solution!
I forget about one wonderful project called FreeDcam,
It basically reads RAW data from a camera and lets you change some interesting variables hardcoded in system app! What is more, it detects all 3 cameras, let you record in every aspect and resolution! You can select a picture profile there and settings like denoiser, edge sharpening etc. What is more is currently still developing - new version came out 2 weeks ago.
The app is prepared for all the devices based on camera2 API, and the results are very good!
Find best settings for yourself, just in case I will give you what I found out to work the best:
- Edge Mode to off
- turn off Wavelet Denoise
- hot pixel correction: High quality
- tonemap: contrast curve - and adjust it for your needs (for me the nice little flat image you can achieve by turning the knobs to [10] | [30] | [55] | [80] | [95]
It brightens the shadows a bit while making more natural a bit overexposed look (stock camera tends to clip out high very intense highlights while preserving most of the image which results in pretty unnatural sun/bright light clipping)
The results in color saturation and sharpness are huge - in photos and videos. The app is not so intuitive and it lags sometimes but the results are outstanding.
https://github.com/troop/FreeDcam/releases
I had a strange problem with installing - I couldn't press the install button, but cancel button was responsive. Try to turn off always-on display for a while - worked for me

tomashix said:
For everyone who is searching for post-processing solution!
I forget about one wonderful project called FreeDcam,
It basically reads RAW data from a camera and lets you change some interesting variables hardcoded in system app! What is more, it detects all 3 cameras, let you record in every aspect and resolution! You can select a picture profile there and settings like denoiser, edge sharpening etc. What is more is currently still developing - new version came out 2 weeks ago.
The app is prepared for all the devices based on camera2 API, and the results are very good!
Find best settings for yourself, just in case I will give you what I found out to work the best:
- Edge Mode to off
- turn off Wavelet Denoise
- hot pixel correction: High quality
- tonemap: contrast curve - and adjust it for your needs (for me the nice little flat image you can achieve by turning the knobs to [10] | [30] | [55] | [80] | [95]
It brightens the shadows a bit while making more natural a bit overexposed look (stock camera tends to clip out high very intense highlights while preserving most of the image which results in pretty unnatural sun/bright light clipping)
The results in color saturation and sharpness are huge - in photos and videos. The app is not so intuitive and it lags sometimes but the results are outstanding.
https://github.com/troop/FreeDcam/releases
I had a strange problem with installing - I couldn't press the install button, but cancel button was responsive. Try to turn off always-on display for a while - worked for me
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Awesome ! That is what we needed . I get great results. Thanks for sharing. cheers

tomashix said:
For everyone who is searching for post-processing solution!
I forget about one wonderful project called FreeDcam,
It basically reads RAW data from a camera and lets you change some interesting variables hardcoded in system app! What is more, it detects all 3 cameras, let you record in every aspect and resolution! You can select a picture profile there and settings like denoiser, edge sharpening etc. What is more is currently still developing - new version came out 2 weeks ago.
The app is prepared for all the devices based on camera2 API, and the results are very good!
Find best settings for yourself, just in case I will give you what I found out to work the best:
- Edge Mode to off
- turn off Wavelet Denoise
- hot pixel correction: High quality
- tonemap: contrast curve - and adjust it for your needs (for me the nice little flat image you can achieve by turning the knobs to [10] | [30] | [55] | [80] | [95]
It brightens the shadows a bit while making more natural a bit overexposed look (stock camera tends to clip out high very intense highlights while preserving most of the image which results in pretty unnatural sun/bright light clipping)
The results in color saturation and sharpness are huge - in photos and videos. The app is not so intuitive and it lags sometimes but the results are outstanding.
https://github.com/troop/FreeDcam/releases
I had a strange problem with installing - I couldn't press the install button, but cancel button was responsive. Try to turn off always-on display for a while - worked for me
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Very interesting, gonna try this out..
Would you mind sharing the rest of your settings? I have no idea what stuff means... :silly:
(Also can't find where to edit the contrast curve.)

I found out that "Snap Camera" and "Open Camera" supports Camera2 api as well so you can switch between all 3 lenses. FreeDcam was too buggy and unstable and could not set right wide angle lens.
Snap Camera offers to fine tune everything for advanced user (switch off denoise, postprocess, etc.) and I get nice HDR.

I got rid of my G6. It was worst than my G4 at taking photos. Really disappointed tbh. Still trying to get a phone that beats the G4 camera is tough. Wish lg would sort the water colour processing out its driving me crazy.

+1 def need a camera mod

ipmanwck said:
I got rid of my G6. It was worst than my G4 at taking photos. Really disappointed tbh. Still trying to get a phone that beats the G4 camera is tough. Wish lg would sort the water colour processing out its driving me crazy.
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You need to go to the V-series they have better sensors and not overprocessing like the G6. It's still hard to beat the image quality in the G4.

dannejanne said:
You need to go to the V-series they have better sensors and not overprocessing like the G6. It's still hard to beat the image quality in the G4.
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Tell me about it. Really Impressed by my OP3T camera processing but lg G4 was really special.

Camera Manual Mode?

Hi guys! Can anyone please tell me the shutter speed and ISO range available in whyred using open camera/ footej camera? I just want to ensure that the device has support for long exposure photography. Thanks in advance, screenshots are appreciated.

Yes. The phone supports the features you mentioned and I use them by downloading third party apps like Footej camera, Camera FV-5, open camera etc

sharmasrb said:
Yes. The phone supports the features you mentioned and I use them by downloading third party apps like Footej camera, Camera FV-5, open camera etc
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I know it supports manual mode. But I need the range. For eg, the shutter speed range of Redmi Note 3 is 1/1000 to 1/2 seconds. Whereas, higher end phones can keep the shutter open for even 30 seconds. Can you please give me the range? :|

shivy25 said:
I know it supports manual mode. But I need the range. For eg, the shutter speed range of Redmi Note 3 is 1/1000 to 1/2 seconds. Whereas, higher end phones can keep the shutter open for even 30 seconds. Can you please give me the range? :|
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I was able to take 30 second shutter speed picture which I have attached here.

sharmasrb said:
I was able to take 30 second shutter speed picture which I have attached here.
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Thanks a lot mate!

sharmasrb said:
I was able to take 30 second shutter speed picture which I have attached here.
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I am guessing you are using FV-5....
If so, I don't really think FV-5, or any other camera app in this case, can take photos with this device (and probably with most MIUI devices) surpassing the 'hard' max shutter time that Xiaomi imposed to the camera stack.
In fact, I've tried using 30 seconds exposures with fixed 100 ISO setting and the images were darker than using fixed 100 ISO and auto shutter.

shivy25 said:
Hi guys! Can anyone please tell me the shutter speed and ISO range available in whyred using open camera/ footej camera? I just want to ensure that the device has support for long exposure photography. Thanks in advance, screenshots are appreciated.
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masik rom has it shutter speed and iso in miui cam.

raptorddd said:
masik rom has it shutter speed and iso in miui cam.
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Shutter limited to 1/2s, iso can not lower 100

Gcam vs stock camera - quality comparison

I was always a big fan of Gcam on my previous phones. It provided improved results in almost all situations over stock camera. But with Mi A3, I'm liking stock jpegs more. Except of very low light situations, in my eyes stock camera provides better white balance, contrast, saturation and details. I made a comparison photos for my usage, but maybe some other "pixel peeper" finds it interesting. All photos taken with phone resting against the window with point&shoot method (no change in focus point etc.). Full res photos should be available after clicking on them.
Apps used:
Stock camera - AI on
Hypercam E1 - "truelight" XML profile with increased saturation (and maybe something else, I forgot what I've changed )
7_2 - pgmc_7.2.014_androidpie_v7.apk found in some telegram group, default settings
Day:
Stock
Hypercam
Details
Night:
Stock
Hypercam night mode
Details:

Nice comparison, yes stock camera works beter on mi a3 but older versions are better than these pixel 3 or 4 based gcam, i was using parrot v12 gcam and it was really messing the contract most of the time and the images were dark even in day light when compared to stock, i also tested the arnova's version (8.2) of gcam and it works better pictures are brighter in daylight than parrot version, unfortunately that's all i can say about arnova gcam cause i have not tested it much yet but yes i had a max pro m1 before a3 and on that arnova gcam was awesome.

Btw. if anyone wants to experiment, you can try attached profile for Hypercam E1 or E2 (https://gcambrasil.com.br/dev/hypercam-app). It is based on TrueLight profile created by Gcam Brasil team, I just tweaked a few settings. After trying tens of different profiles I settled on this one (even though I'm using it primarily for night photos).

I always wondered what different "LIBS" in Gcam settings do, so..
In my eyes, other libs than stock Google provide very flat image - you can barely see the difference between surfaces lit by sunlight and those in shadows, which is extremely unnatural. Stock AI made the picture a tad too "punchy" by oversaturation, but I guess that's normal for the landscape mode. Gcam with Google libs is the closest to what I really see when I look out of the window, stock cam is close behind.
Stock AI (scene detected as landscape)
Gcam - Stock Google
Gcam - Xlib XS
Gcam - sRGB + B2
Gcam - Abhi Hypercam
Details comparison

_mysiak_ said:
I was always a big fan of Gcam on my previous phones. It provided improved results in almost all situations over stock camera. But with Mi A3, I'm liking stock jpegs more. Except of very low light situations, in my eyes stock camera provides better white balance, contrast, saturation and details. I made a comparison photos for my usage, but maybe some other "pixel peeper" finds it interesting. All photos taken with phone resting against the window with point&shoot method (no change in focus point etc.). Full res photos should be available after clicking on them.
Apps used:
Stock camera - AI on
Hypercam E1 - "truelight" XML profile with increased saturation (and maybe something else, I forgot what I've changed )
7_2 - pgmc_7.2.014_androidpie_v7.apk found in some telegram group, default settings
Day:
Stock
Hypercam
Details
Night:
Stock
Hypercam night mode
Details:
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Great comparison ??

Very nice topic

Quality of Gcam is so bad here because gc6.3 have far less detail than 7.0 and 7.2 is even sharper, also it's strongly corellated to lib settings. With modded settings in lib patcher (option in newer gcam mods), quality can be much better.
Depend on gcam version, best settings are different but general rule is to achive look of more megapixel count and wider dynamic range with natural analog grain with more DSLR feel, instead of digital low megapixel oversharpened smartphone look. To do this it's advisable to:
-lower sharpening to 0 or one point above (to remove ringing halo and digital look of bad interpolation)
-lower luma denoise to 0 or 1, this increase real detail preserving natural grain, and gcam is realy good at simulating analog grain with it's debayering alghoritms.
-lower contrast/dehaze to achive more dynamic range (as you can see in xlib custom lib example, lower contrast saves highlights from overburning and retain shadows, this gives space for further color postproduction)
Sharpening is only compensation for denoising, and both of those creates look of lower resolution picture. Hypercam 7.2 can be set to 3 on luma denoising and still remain natural grain, but less noise, PGMC7.0v13 have lowest noise with settings remaining natural grain, there is version modded by Burial with added Aux lens but they dont keep it on Gcam port hub, I found it on Burials Telegram.

FCHRO said:
Quality of Gcam is so bad here because gc6.3 have far less detail than 7.0 and 7.2 is even sharper, also it's strongly corellated to lib settings. With modded settings in lib patcher (option in newer gcam mods), quality can be much better.
Depend on gcam version, best settings are different but general rule is to achive look of more megapixel count and wider dynamic range with natural analog grain with more DSLR feel, instead of digital low megapixel oversharpened smartphone look. To do this it's advisable to:
-lower sharpening to 0 or one point above (to remove ringing halo and digital look of bad interpolation)
-lower luma denoise to 0 or 1, this increase real detail preserving natural grain, and gcam is realy good at simulating analog grain with it's debayering alghoritms.
-lower contrast/dehaze to achive more dynamic range (as you can see in xlib custom lib example, lower contrast saves highlights from overburning and retain shadows, this gives space for further color postproduction)
Sharpening is only compensation for denoising, and both of those creates look of lower resolution picture. Hypercam 7.2 can be set to 3 on luma denoising and still remain natural grain, but less noise, PGMC7.0v13 have lowest noise with settings remaining natural grain, there is version modded by Burial with added Aux lens but they dont keep it on Gcam port hub, I found it on Burials Telegram.
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Not sure if we're looking at the same pictures, but 7.2 came out as the worst out of the comparison.
I know that it's possible to fine tune every single parameter in GCAM, but if it was that easy, we would have THE best profile/lib available already. So far I've seen great profile for "punchy" colors, great for strong light, great for shadows, great for details, great for noise removal..but not a single one, which would be great in all situations. I have zero interest and capacity to take thousands of photos with hundreds of different settings combinations, just to find out that my precious profile is suddenly unusable with another GCAM version. If you have such a profile, fine tuned for Mi A3, I'm eager to test it and include in the comparison.
Personally I want out of camera jpeg, which is sharp, has realistic colors and provides natural contrast (shortly WYSIWYG). If I wanted soft, flat, desaturated picture, I'd shoot in RAW and do all the magic on a PC. I expect and achieve the same from my mirrorless camera - OoC JPEGs which I don't have to edit (but still can if I wanted to). For most situations, stock A3 camera provides what I want. I run GCAM only at night or when I want "artistic" HDR.
Obviously your expectations and experience might be vastly different to mine and that's completely fine. This is why I provided comparison photos instead of telling everyone what's "right" - they can easily see and chose what they prefer. You are very welcome to add your comparison photos here, I'd say that everyone is interested in seeing DSLR look and how superior it is.

I was talking about full capabilities of gcam version, not settings that mod author choose as default. That was reason for my discontent tone of 'so bad'. I didn't try to be rude, and can only be greatfull for contributing your time and effort for community.
My expectations from smartphone cam are to take jpg photos with 'ready' look, but also retaining usable information in highlights and shadows at the same time.
I'm ok with medium-low contrast look, as it takes few seconds to correct that, and you cannot undone overburned values, noise filtering artifacts or sharpening. WYSIWYG in today's state of technology is a recepie for getting large percentage of over or underexposed images that are unrecoverable. Yet this should be offered as option. Xiaomi and Realmi are choosing now to offer less contrasty stock setting for this reason, still offering contrast settings in options. Lower contrast also enable better filter compatibility, as most add contrast themeselves.
0 contrast setting in Gcam lib patcher is far from 'flat' look, speaking in video profiles lingo. It's similar to xlib or SRGB+B2 in your examples. Saturation is separate setting which can be adjusted accordingly. Increasing it in shadows usually helps with hdr and desaturating blues in post resolves stock oversaturation of highlights. 0.8-1 for highlights and 1.9-2.0 in shadows is quite universal setting, depending on mod and sensors.
Check out new mods as now updates are appearing every day on https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/developers/ Newer versions above 6.3 are significantly better.
Telegrams of developers are also good source of builds, not everything appears on Gcam port Hub. Parrots mods are compatybile with a lot of phones. Hypercam 7.2 have good lib patcher. Burial offers mod that use 48mp resolution. As for comparision photos, I have already deleted those photos. Maybe I will post something later if I will test newer mods.

I use camera on a smartphone mainly for "documentation" photos, I am well aware of its HW limitations. Whenever I want to take "nice" pictures (mostly portraits), I always take out M4/3 camera as results simply can't be compared with a phone. This is why I prefer 100% done (or as close to this as possible) photo out of a smartphone, as I find correcting phone photos just a waste of time. Even if it costs me loss of "invisible" details (which are usually worthless in terms of useful information anyway).
I understand your approach and agree that if someone wants to do any type of postprocessing, "flat" pictures are the right way to go. However I'm quite sure, that most people don't care about this and they just want to take a photo and share or view it later. Just as no "ordinary folk" cares about V-LOG in stock camera/gcam for videos.
The biggest problem with GCAM I see today is that there are probably hundreds of different versions already, and as you say, new ones appearing every day. The improvements or changes are usually so small (even if at the end quite important), that it takes a lot of effort to find the best app and settings. I usually try some new "hyped" app or xml version, but at the end I always return to stock app. For me it's much easier to remember limits of one app and take photos accordingly than to try different app every day and/or do corrections of every photo.
Don't take me wrong, I would love to have native gcam - if properly configured by professionals, it provides superior results probably to any other stock app. But that unfortunately won't happen and none of the ported versions I tried works as effortlessly as stock app.
In each case, if you find the time, I would really like to see some comparison photos with your suggested settings (stock vs gcam). Maybe you'll convince us that it's worth it.

Use default camera app, its as simple as that

Simran62 said:
Use default camera app, its as simple as that
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I know that my posts were rather lengthy, but I will just quote myself 'For most situations, stock A3 camera provides what I want. I run GCAM only at night or when I want "artistic" HDR.'

The following GCAM version anyway beats stock camera maybe except video.
I think this is the best GCAM 7 version by Parrot043 with the best photo quality for our mi A3 on android 9 (P) for now. Also Astrophotography is always on at night mode.
this works best with only a few changes without special settings. I think this is the most beautiful thing for us.
I change hdr+ on with 15 frames and 4:3 ratio for maximum resolution. And on video this gcam supports 1080p at 60fps, 4k is only 30fps.
link : https://androidfilehost.com/?fid=4349826312261647530

xda-dvlprs said:
The following GCAM version anyway beats stock camera maybe except video.
I think this is the best GCAM 7 version by Parrot043 with the best photo quality for our mi A3 on android 9 (P) for now. Also Astrophotography is always on at night mode.
this works best with only a few changes without special settings. I think this is the most beautiful thing for us.
I change hdr+ on with 15 frames and 4:3 ratio for maximum resolution. And on video this gcam supports 1080p at 60fps, 4k is only 30fps.
link : https://androidfilehost.com/?fid=4349826312261647530
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Yeah, maybe, if it could take a photo. App is constantly crashing with HDR+. Works only with HDR enhanced, which gives very unrealistic photos.

I was experimenting with photo alignment software and took a few handheld photos..
What I really see with naked eye is stock camera (Gcam Truelight profile coming close, but clouds are still "overdone" with HDR). The most pleasant, albeit the most unrealistic photos is taken with Murphy profile.
Stock camera
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Stock camera + AI enabled (identified as "buildings")
Hypercam E2 + "truelight" profile
Hypercam E2 + "Murphy" profile

_mysiak_ said:
Yeah, maybe, if it could take a photo. App is constantly crashing with HDR+. Works only with HDR enhanced, which gives very unrealistic photos.
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I disagree with you, but I respect your opinion. I think the photo quality is very realistic. maybe followers try and make their own decisions.

xda-dvlprs said:
I disagree with you, but I respect your opinion. I think the photo quality is very realistic. maybe followers try and make their own decisions.
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Realistic = what I see when I look with a naked eye. Enhanced HDR gives unrealistic/unnatural contrast boost, especially to clouds/sky. It might be nice, artistic etc., but it's not "real".