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[GUIDE] HTC Desire HD Camera guide - all issues resolved

[final update 10/11/2012]
I have moved to the HTC One X you can see my photo samples from the One X here and here
You can find much more impressive photos posted by One X users in this thread
so I've concluded a similar guide for the One X is not really needed
[last updated 11/12/2011]
3.12.405.1 Update:
. Introduces new scenes options: portrait, landscape, action, closeup, backlight, beach, snow, candlelight and low light.
It attempts to auto select settings based on the scenario of choice, image quality remains bad because it locks the sharpness setting to 0, thankfully with scenes>auto you can override, control sharpness and follow this guide
. Improved quality: color treatment, face detection, auto focus and low light
. Low light video recording @30Fps is back, its achievable by using the low exposure trick
. For root users Panorama mode can be enabled here>>
2.36.405.8_R Update:
. Introduces improved sharpness algorithm, sharpness -1 is now acceptable
. new colors treatment, tries to extract more colors and adds some sort of soft bloom, sometime gives unreal results and colored grain, can't be disabled
. higher 720p recording video/audio bit rate
. a new option called auto enhance which blurs noise in the image at the cost of details, fortunately it can be disabled
. low light video recording 30fps is no longer achievable using the low exposure trick, you can still achieve better fps using this trick but not full fps
1.72.405.3_R2 Update:
. improve system performance and camera feature enhancements
. camera interface is faster after the update and 720p recording freeze bug is fixed
A lot of people even reviewers have been complaining about the camera quality, however the Desire HD boosts a good 8 mega pixels senor, you can achieve great results if you know your way around it.
I will start this guide by showing some tasty examples since this thread is all about photo quality please don't complain about photo sizes as its meant to be examined.
The guide is intended for the stock HTC camera app, although the general guidelines can apply to any other camera app.
The following is a quick version of this guide, each setting is later explored in details.
Manually set your focus, wait for the focus signal to turn green, keep your hand steady until the shot is taken (keep it till the preview appears)
Make sure the camera protection glass is wiped clean
To fix image quality: Disable digital sharpness so it’s set to -2 or reduce it to -1 if you feel its too soft but never sharpness 0, you can later increase sharpness using external apps
To fix the video recording freezes: update to firmware 1.72 or above, also make sure no apps are busy in the background (i.e. skype)
To fix low light bad video FPS: reduce the exposure setting to -2, it will go up to 30fps, use the flash to boost the brightness back
To fix the green tint caused by the flash: set white balance to Fluorescent
To fix the changing colors while recording video indoors: set the white balance manualy. Auto is good during daylight but jumpy indoors
Higher ISO will always boost the camera available light, so higher ISO improves frame rate, reduces motion blur and reveals more detail in darkness. However keep in mind higher ISO will reduce image quality since it introduces noise to the image. Auto ISO is pretty smart
If your photo is washed out, use the auto enhance effect from the gallery to fix levels and color balance, your photo will stay at 8MP, the enhanced photo will be saved as a new file
Taken at 8 mega pixels, sharpness -2, everything else is default Contrast/exposure/saturation 0, ISO auto, White balance auto and Flash is off.
These are from first attempt and untouched It’s just Flickr resizing them. Flickr limits the size to 1k.
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Larger: http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157625450976523/
more samples here: HTC Desire HD group on Flickr
As you can see these photos look great and natural, two things the Desire HD camera excels at, color reproduction and marco shots which works automatically as long as you set your focus correctly.
The main issue we need to tackle with the camera is the sharpness setting.
Image adjustments: Sharpness
+1 +2: Increases noise reduction and sharpness, however it doesn’t appear to change much from the default, the screen displays more sharpness but when you examine the photo taken there is little difference
0: Default value, in reality it applies aggressive noise reduction and sharpness
-1: Reduces noise reduction and sharpness.
-2: Disables noise reduction and sharpness completely
At default this setting is set at 0 with four other options (-2, -1, 0, +1, +2) so effectively the default sharpness is actually set at 2.
Like other cameras, at first it attempts to reduce noise by blurring out fine detail and then attempts to restore detail by sharpening edges.
However it’s all very over done so it introduces lots of blur and artifacts, even down scaling the image by half leaves it looking unnatural.
As you can see its pretty bad job at default, it’s a good thing we have the option to reduce it or turn it off, despite being a little soft-2 looks the most natural and has the most detail.
Recommendation: disable it at -2 so you capture the pure image taken as by the camera sensor, despite looking a little soft at full scale it’s still a lot of pixels at 8MP so it will look great when scaled like on the phone screen, TV, websites like Flickr or even print.
If you want a little more sharpness you can extract more detail by sharpening it in Photoshop, you can also sharpen it using an app like PicSay pro which is pretty good but sadly downscales it to 1MP.
By the way some of the effects in the gallery can improve definition and sharpness, more on this later.
Otherwise If you must have some sharpness in the image and willing to sacrifice some image quality you can set it at -1 which is less aggressive. But as you can see above even with -1 detail are getting lost.
Keep in mind taking a photo with the default sharpness applied will leave little choice to fix it later, since the image details are already tempered with.
Image adjustments: Contrast, Saturation, Exposure
Contrast: controls the levels between black and white, reducing it will reveal more detail in dark areas but at the loss of overall definition.
Saturation: controls the richness of colors, increasing it can reveal more grain.
Exposure: controls brightness, you increase the brightness but risk over exposing an area.
This setting appears to have an affect on the camera speed and frame rate, reducing it will increase frame rate at low light, -2 it can achieve up to 30fps at low light.
Recommendation: leave them at default 0 which is well balanced, unless you see a need to adjust your photo.
White balance
White balance enables the camera to capture colors more accurately by adjusting to your current lighting
environment. White balance settings include: Auto, Incandescent, Fluorescent, Daylight, and Cloudy.
Recommendation: leave it at auto it does a good job, unless your photo appears wrong in the viewfinder.
You can use Fluorescent to fix the yellow colors hue caused by using the Flash.
If you are filming a video indoors set it manually since it’s a little jumpy.
Focus
Auto simply sets the focus at the center of the screen whenever you move the camera, you can still pick your focus even with auto focus engaged.
If you want properly focused shots without any blur plus good photo framing you will have to set your focus manually, focus will also adjust your target exposure.
A slight issue sometimes after you set the focus the handset detects a slight movement and resets the focus at the center so you need to be careful.
Unlike previous HTC phones you can no longer keep holding an area to focus and shoot, you will need to press the capture button after the focus is set.
Auto focus also has a face detection sub function; it works really well when people are in frame.
Recommendation: Unless you want a quick point a shoot photo always set the focus yourself, it will insure you get the proper sharpness plus fix the exposure of your subject.
If people are in the picture face detection will do the job for you. If you like to insure the focus never mess up turn off auto focus altogether but you will lose face detection functionality.
Of course always wait for the focus pointer to turn green.
Self Portrait & Self Timer
Self portrait: If you want your camera to automatically take people photos, you can set it to identify 1 or 2 faces and automatically adjust the focus.
Self timer: If you need to take a group photo or your own photo, you can set a time delay before your camera automatically takes the photo.
ISO, Shutter speed & Flash
ISO determines how sensitive the image sensor is to light, increasing it will help you get more light in darker settings, however the higher the ISO the grainier the photo will look.
The Shutter speed is also affected by light sensitivity, so higher ISO can reduce motion blur.
Recommendation: leave it at auto it does a good job of detecting the needed settings, however if you notice the image is too grainy, too dark or suffering motion blur you can adjust it manually.
Use an ISO of 100 or 200 when taking photographs outside in sunny conditions. If the sky is overcast or it is evening time, then use an ISO within the range of 400 to 800.
Moving subjects will require some ISO and flash consideration to prevent motion blur.
Shutter Speed
The shutter speed in the DHD is linked to the available light, testing in daylight at low ISO reveals motion blur with moving subjects.
Higher ISO means more light so it will snap moving subjects sharply of course of at the cost of increasing grain in the image.
You can see the difference in the viewfinder by changing the ISO value (in daylight). The higher the ISO the less motion blur.
Exposure also seems to have an effect on the camera speed, reducing it can reduce motion blur at low light.
Recommendation: Compared to other phones the capturing and saving speed itself is pretty fast.
So when capturing moving subjects a good practice is to snap multiple shots in a raw to make sure you get a good shot, you can disable preview to make this process faster.
As always insure your hand is steady and wait until the photo is completely taken i.e. wait a little after you press capture.
If you can't be bothered then rely on ISO 400 or 800 to prevent motion blur with moving subjects. At low light you still have to insure a steady capture, exposure consideration and enable flash to help.
Flash
If it’s very dark you will have to rely on the flash, The good news is with auto ISO the flash rarely burns your subject and it usually selects a good ISO.
Flash will also help in preventing motion blur. However flash tints the image with some green-yellow hue, it can be improved using the following tricks.
Tips to improve the yellow color tint:
Thanks to Elemental_Fire for the tip! you can get much more natural colors while using the flash by choosing Fluorescent for white balance.
Remember this white balance tip is only good during flash, if you keep it at fluorescent it might ruin your daylight shots.
Like any other photo you can also improve it by using the auto enhance feature in the gallery effects menu.
Here are some examples of low light and flash performance of the DHD camera
Larger: http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157625585331314/
Widescreen
To fill the viewfinder 5:3 widescreen aspect is selected by default it gives a cropped photo at the size of 3264x1952, while disabling it produces a full 8 megapixels 4:3 photo at 3264x2448
Recommendation: Leave it disabled, you are loosing lots of pixels with 5:3, even better when widescreen is disabled the viewfinder actually runs smoother.
Gallery Effects
A very nice feature included in the new sense, it allows you to further improve your photos from within the gallery.
On the Gallery app’s Albums screen, tap an album > Press and hold on the photo that you want to add effects to > In the menu that opens, tap Edit, and then tap Effects.
There are too many to list but auto fix will improve the colors and contrast of your photo, while effects like high contrast will add an artistic vignette and increase the sharpness of your image, of course you can also apply them over each other.
It works at native 8 mega pixels photo without badly recompressing it.
Here are some examples (original, auto enhance, high contrast, lively and overexpose)
Larger: http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157625585449676/
720p Video recording
Zooming is not available in 720p mode but you can change focus while filming.
In good to ok lighting conditions, the Desire HD films at 30fps, but it can drop to 20 fps and as low as 10fps if its dark.
The exposure settings seems to have an effect on the camera performance, so reducing it will improve frame rate and reduce motion blur.
Filming at 800x480 allows you to zoom in while filming.
The video encoding is good at 8MB/s baseline mp4 level 3.1 but the audio is badly compressed at 8 kHz 32 kbps! Maybe to improve performance…
Recommendation: The main issue with photos applies in 720p, the sharpness setting at default 0 is pretty bad especially with filming people.
Unlike photo mode, setting sharpness to +1 or +2 makes a visible increase in sharpness.
The video will be full of artifacts and jaggies unless you disable it with sharpness -2 or lower it at -1 if you really like sharpness.
If you are filming indoor manually select your white balance, with auto its quit jumpy and keeps changing while filming!
To film at 30fps in low light, scale exposure down to -2 and use the Flash to boost the brightness.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2uK6uk5MIw&hd=1
The above video recorded 30fps at sunset without any lag, using auto ISO. Keep in mind when you upload to YouTube it re-encodes the video
720p Freeze/Lag issue: [issue appears resolved with the 1.72.405.3 update]
It can be solved by killing tasks before recording, use an app like free advanced task manager hit end all and then launch the camera app. Be careful of background heavy like Skype.
Some people have said formatting the SD card with 32k cluster size will help but I found no solution other than killing tasks before recording, I have the bundled class 2 microSd and it works every time.
Solutions for bad FPS in low light conditions:
Thanks to SupremeBeaver for this excellent tip! Reducing the exposure will improve frame rate, at exposure -2 the frame rate will jump up to 30fps, you can then use both the flash and ISO 800 to boost the brightness, perfect solution for indoors low light.
Keep in mind extra light will always help both the image quality and pefromance, so make use of the Flash and ISO settings, although by default auto ISO takes care of it pretty well.
You can't select the ISO level while in video mode but you can force it in photo mode, of course this will also result in a grainier image.
more samples here from solopalmari.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNtZSgcaToY
Finally the fun part
Desire HD vs Desire vs iPhone4
The iPhone4 has a very good sharpness algorithm, which is quite similar to what you can get with Photoshop. Its great outdoor but fails badly in indoor daylight lighting.
It extracts a lot of noise, perhaps the sensor is working at a very high ISO and unlike the Desire HD you can't adjust any of this.
In case of 720p recording iPhone 4 is the winner by default, it always films at 30fps even in low light (with lots of noise). However the Desire HD can achieve equal results by filming with exposure -2.
The flash on the iphone 4 is a major fail, on the other hand it has a very nice HDR mode. Finally color reproduction on the DHD is better, colors with the iphone4 are adjusted and unreal.
To conclude the DHD has a quit good camera, its only the default HTC settings failing it, fortunately it can all be solved by understanding the available settings.
Deal with sharpness, understand ISO, set framing and focus right and you can achieve great results.
Finally don't forget to experiment with the effects feature in both the camera and gallery which are really impressive.
Feel free to post your success stories or questions
have fun!

thanks i've asked the mod to stick it, it should save lots of questions about the camera

Nice job Hamdir, looks like quite some work!
I did notice the comment on the sharpness -2 setting in one of the other camera threads. It does give the photo's a sort of 'blurred' feel imho, judging the above comparison pics.
Anyway, very clear comparison of all the possible settings.

That must have taken some time to put together . Thanks very much for it, greatly appreciated.

paulus_01 said:
Nice job Hamdir, looks like quite some work!
I did notice the comment on the sharpness -2 setting in one of the other camera threads. It does give the photo's a sort of 'blurred' feel imho, judging the above comparison pics.
Anyway, very clear comparison of all the possible settings.
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yes i'm the one who keeps preaching sharpness -2 hehe
its a little soft at full scale, but why would you ever look at a photo at this size?
it can be improved in many ways since the details are there in the image, anything higher then -2 will mess up the original photo in my opinion
you can settle to sharpness -1 its the closest we can get to Photoshop sharpness quality but you can see in the comparison some details are lost in the bushes for example
don't come anywhere near sharpness 0 its pure @#$%
anyone knows how to embed a youtube video? i can't get it to work

Superb post... thanks for that.
My main issue is capturing moving people (especially my 2 year old!) indoors. Keep getting blurred shots/footage.
Any suggestions to improve this?
Thanks again.

mjt said:
Superb post... thanks for that.
My main issue is capturing moving people (especially my 2 year old!) indoors. Keep getting blurred shots/footage.
Any suggestions to improve this?
Thanks again.
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good question, i'll add a part for that, sadly it seems the shutter speed is a little slow in the DHD.
But capturing a photo is still very quick so there is a solution, when i'm snapping a photo of people i take a few quick shots in a raw, one of them will work
hope this helps

My camera issue:
Having decent settings to get the best result is one thing, having a design flaw is another:
Below is a picture I have taken with the DHD inside a football stadium (it has been resized, but that is irrelevant for the point I am making).
I am sitting 1 meter from the field, with just one row beneath me.
When I try to take a picture of the field, the lights in the roof of the stadium reflect behind the camera's glass protection (it actually reflects behind the black circle which says 8.0 megapixels). This results in the reflection being caught on camera as well.
This, in my opinion, is a design flaw and really should not have occurred. What is your opinion?
it happens mainly when you take a picture and a bright lightsource is above and opposite from you, while your camera is pointed straightforward.

i don't get it, isn't this lens flare? it occurs in all cameras, otherwise you need a specialty lens to deal with this
as a matter fact we simulate and add it as an effect when we make a CG stadium animation...

None of the pics I made with my K850i had this show up.
I think this should not happen, it is a reflection of the light on the inside of the camera cover or something.

i think it varies between different lenses, cameras and phones, i don't know its clearly lens flare, here check these from google
and this a straight shot of the sun, its just lens flare tons of cameras do that

[edit]thanks, is it working for you? it gives me "movie not loaded" can anyone confirms the video is embedded?

I don't know, to me it seems reflection bounces from the back of the black glass cover.
I get your point of it being flare, however, it looks a bit different to me.

brilliant guide! nicely laid out! u clearly have experience with photography and it shows! thanks very much, i cant wait to get snapping on christmas day! =)

hamdir said:
good question, i'll add a part for that, sadly it seems the shutter speed is a little slow in the DHD.
But capturing a photo is still very quick so there is a solution, when i'm snapping a photo of people i take a few quick shots in a raw, one of them will work
hope this helps
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Did you ever get a chance to see if there's any solution to this?

An amazing guide! I hope to buy the phone before Christmas and the one thing, other than the battery life, that was of concern to me was the quality of the camera, however with you suggestions I don't think it will be as big an issue.

Amazing guide! thank you for that!
I have a question, using my DHD at a night club, all photos came out either overexposed, unfocused, alot of noise or other kind of poor image quality.
The photos you took with flash surprised me a lot. Is there a special reason for that?

co0kie said:
Amazing guide! thank you for that!
I have a question, using my DHD at a night club, all photos came out either overexposed, unfocused, alot of noise or other kind of poor image quality.
The photos you took with flash surprised me a lot. Is there a special reason for that?
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never had this problem, only yest at the pub I tried to take a quick photo of a friend, it was out of focus in the viewfinder so I had to get the camera to focus right at this point the focus sticks to the same distance for the next shots
so make sure you get focus, quick point and snap doesn't always work well at night. Also in low light the viewfinder slows down so you need to make sure your hand is steady.
I now have a habit of snapping multiple shots in row, later I delete the ones that came out badly
one thing I can't figure out is motion blur, sometimes fast moving subjects get blurred on the other hand I have dozens of amazingly focused shots of friends while moving.
The only explanation I could think of is maybe the shutter speed adjusts in auto or maybe its related to low light and high ISO since most of the motion blurred shots are at night without flash, I will try to investigate this.

Hamdir,I appreciate your amazing work and admire the effort and time you put to it,but I just have one thing to disagree with.You said that 720p video at low light conditions has a very low framerate,whereas the iPhone 4 get 30fps but with noise,right?Try upping your ISO all the way to 800 from the photo mode in the camera and then switch to video and record one.You will get full fps,just noise will occur.Most phones probably do that automatically(that's why they all give noise in low light IMO).I saw that with my friend's SE Vivaz.Try that and report back!
Other than that,your work seems...Flawless!Well done!I hope there are more people like you around here!

tolis626 said:
Hamdir,I appreciate your amazing work and admire the effort and time you put to it,but I just have one thing to disagree with.You said that 720p video at low light conditions has a very low framerate,whereas the iPhone 4 get 30fps but with noise,right?Try upping your ISO all the way to 800 from the photo mode in the camera and then switch to video and record one.You will get full fps,just noise will occur.Most phones probably do that automatically(that's why they all give noise in low light IMO).I saw that with my friend's SE Vivaz.Try that and report back!
Other than that,your work seems...Flawless!Well done!I hope there are more people like you around here!
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cool nice tip ill try it, if it works ill add to the guide thx

HTC ONE which camera app a quick review

With so many choices of camera apps for your HTC ONE, I thought I would put a quick comparison together. This way you get to see the results side by side, making the differences far easier to see. This is not a test of functionality, but more importantly image quality.
The four apps chosen for this test were,
1. HTC One on-board camera app
2. Camera FV-5
3. Camera ICS
4. Camera 360
Each camera app was set to, no zoom, 100 ISO and the photographs were taken under varying light conditions, but the results are still clear to see. All the images below have not been edited and are uploaded as the original files, so feel free to click on the link below each photo to see in larger format.
TEST 1
Camera 360
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http://flic.kr/p/bWqNVu
Camera FV-5
http://flic.kr/p/bWqNNL
HTC Camera
http://flic.kr/p/bWqNNE
As you will see from the images the HTC Camera application does not blow out the whites with over exposure and compared to the camera FV-5 file which is a 12.5 MB PNG compared to the 3 MB HTC camera JPEG file, there is no more detail resolved in the FV-5 photo. In fact all the third party application photos show no more detail and all suffer from over exposure and severe purple fringing.
TEST 2
Camera 360
http://flic.kr/p/bWr6Cy
Camera ICS
http://flic.kr/p/bWr6C9
Camera FV-5
http://flic.kr/p/bWr6Cf
HTC Camera
http://flic.kr/p/bWr6B1
Very similar results once again to test 1, with the HTC camera outperforming the other applications in this comparison.
TEST 3
Camera 360
http://flic.kr/p/bWrizG
Camera ICS
http://flic.kr/p/bWriys
Camera FV-5
http://flic.kr/p/bWriyA
HTC Camera
http://flic.kr/p/bWrixU
At this point the results are becoming consistent and I’m sure to the surprise of many users the HTC camera application is actually superior!
So to conclude:
1st HTC Camera Application
2nd Camera FV-5, Camera ICS, Camera 360 and the results from all three of these were much the same and underwhelming. I’m sure many users will psychologically think these apps have to be better due to the file sizes and adjustable image compression, but this is not seen in practise.
What do you think?
Join us at the 'HTC ONE Users Group at Flickr' to share your great photos and to discuss all things 'one'. http://www.flickr.com/groups/htc-one/

Do the other camera apps use the image sense chip or just the cpu like most other phones?

Radiognome said:
The four apps chosen for this test were,
1. HTC One on-board camera app
2. Camera FV-5
3. Camera ICS
4. Camera 360
Each camera app was set to, no zoom, 100 ISO and the photographs were taken under varying light condition
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As you will see from the images the HTC Camera application does not blow out the whites with over exposure...
What do you think?
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Thanks for doing this test.
With a 28mm f2.0 lens, I wonder if apps struggle with automatic exposure control?
It could explain why all apps over expose, if this lens lets in more light than most camera lenses.
Did you try auto ISO?

Firstly robt772000, I would also like to know if the other camera apps use the image sense chip. As I'm sure that I read somewhere that the image data is sent in raw format to the image sense chip for processing.
BenPope, I did not try auto iso for this test, as I wanted to capture the best possible quality from each camera app and also I selected iso 100 to keep the results consistant. But I will run a quick test using auto iso and see if the results change.
Thank you both for your input!

The whole point of Camera FV-5 is customizing all the settings as you would do on a DSLR, you need to know how to better-custom it, if you do so the pictures will look amazing. There is no "auto" setting on camera FV-5, there is also no pre-set config like "sunny" for white balance for instance

L Tavaress, I understand your point, but if the metering is way out on FV-5, you do not have a very good base for customization. All DSLR's depend on accurate metering for any given situation. Not having the luxury of being able to adjust the shutter speed and aperture, leaves you somewhat restricted. With the only options being iso and exposure compensation this will make photo taking painfully slow and many opportunities will be lost, while tumbling for the correct adjustments.

very nice thread here..

Thanks for The thread, very helpfull, I m using all HTC stcok apps, Sense is wonderful, no need to find additional apps... I love The camara, I know its a cell cámara, so i m happy with apps and phone.
Enviado desde mi HTC One X usando Tapatalk 2

So I assume trips cm9 will have a lot of over exposure due to it having the stock ics camera?

Radiognome said:
L Tavaress, I understand your point, but if the metering is way out on FV-5, you do not have a very good base for customization. All DSLR's depend on accurate metering for any given situation. Not having the luxury of being able to adjust the shutter speed and aperture, leaves you somewhat restricted. With the only options being iso and exposure compensation this will make photo taking painfully slow and many opportunities will be lost, while tumbling for the correct adjustments.
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You're right!!! The fixed aperture thing is such a pain in the @$$

LTavaress said:
You're right!!! The fixed aperture thing is such a pain in the @$$
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It can just be compensated with faster shutter speeds to keep exposure down.. Or lower ISO values, which is even better.

robt772000 said:
So I assume trips cm9 will have a lot of over exposure due to it having the stock ics camera?
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Oh. Cm9 uses the aosp camera app. Probably not even wide screen option... I still dont get why people use Cm9. To plain to my taste.
Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2

Wondering what rom version you are on? Am guessing 1.29+?

FOUND AN ALTERNATIVE TO sense camera !
use any camera app and reduce exposure time, you will get almost the same image quality as the sence camera. I have tested this on CM9. worked with Camera FV-5 and Camera360. The settings are saved so u dont have to bother next time u start the app. and it is more convenient on the FV-5(use the latest version). Only thing you will miss is the assum burst mode !! and in video capture. Thats all.
This is most helpful for cm9 users.

The real issue is that this phone has bad saturation and whitebalance settings no matter what camera software you use.

Have you tried vignette? I think the pics are better with that app.

More Shots
Can anyone provide more shots with HTC ONE and third-party cam's (Camera FV-5), after settings tweak?
Is it actually possible, to make pic look better than on stock camera?

The big problem with the One stock app is that in low light it tends to slow the shutter speed too much (for a phone) even with the internal stabilization, something slower than 1/10 sec will end blurry even if you keep your hand still.
The solution will be an app that controls shutter speed or to tweak the stock apk (they just tweaked jpeg compression)

KromerX said:
Can anyone provide more shots with HTC ONE and third-party cam's (Camera FV-5), after settings tweak?
Is it actually possible, to make pic look better than on stock camera?
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This thread is about One X, not the One that came in 2013... Look at the dates of the differents posts before yours...
You revived a thread that is older than a year!

Model name
Blubster said:
This thread is about One X, not the One that came in 2013... Look at the dates of the differents posts before yours...
You revived a thread that is older than a year!
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I see that. But look at the name of this topic. Am I wrong? Or maybe moders are wrong? Or Maybe author just screwed up?
Whatever it was, this topic and model name in it is rather ambiguous.

How good is the camera of Le Pro 3 when the right app is used

This is just to show that Le Pro3 camera has the potential to shine if (only if) you use the right app like Google Camera. For those saying Le Pro 3 camera is a trash, well too bad for you...
First up...
Google Camera (Left) | Default non-HDR | Default HDR
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Nexus 5X vs Le Pro3 (Google Camera App) vs Le Pro3 (Default Camera App)
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Le Pro3 (Google Camera App) vs Le Pro3 (Default Camera App)

What versión of Google camera app???

And where to download the relevant version? Thanks.

sytayeth said:
What versión of Google camera app???
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http://www.apkmirror.com/apk/google-inc/camera/camera-2-7-010-release/

-Tiz- said:
And where to download the relevant version? Thanks.
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http://www.apkmirror.com/apk/google-inc/camera/camera-2-7-010-release/

Weidas said:
Well, using google camera instead of default one does provide sharper images it seems. But the details in shadows are still pretty bad, and there doesnt seem to be any improvement in dynamic range. Tho would be nice to see some more shots in real world, and real lightning, cause those pics of dolls really dont say much. Btw 5x still provides way sharper image with way nicer colors.
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HDR is a must for any smarrtphone with tiny sensor or under-expose the scene and lift the shadows. Unfortunately, HDR is not available if you use Google Camera app on LP3.
I already filed a ticket on LeEco to give us control over noise reduction setting as it is the one killing LP3 shots resulting to soft and painterly effect esp. on low light/night shots.
Nexus 5X is definitely better but take a look at the ISO difference between it and LP3 with Google Camera app. (Hint it was much lower)

Weidas said:
Well, using google camera instead of default one does provide sharper images it seems. But the details in shadows are still pretty bad, and there doesnt seem to be any improvement in dynamic range. Tho would be nice to see some more shots in real world, and real lightning, cause those pics of dolls really dont say much. Btw 5x still provides way sharper image with way nicer colors.
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Here is the edited version just to show that lifting the shadows will help in balancing DR
Default Camera App vs. Google Camera App (50% lift) vs. Default Camera App (50% lift)

18s'es x720 camera is definitly better in low light than any relase of Google camera, witch one pictures are too violet. Only in mine device?

marik1 said:
18s'es x720 camera is definitly better in low light than any relase of Google camera, witch one pictures are too violet. Only in mine device?
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Would be interested to see your comparison. So far with my tests, Google Camera app is superior than default LePro camera app.

The normal are by original cam. This darker is by 360 cam. The violet are by Google Camera

marik1 said:
The normal are by original cam. This darker is by 360 cam. The violet are by Google Camera
https://s12.postimg.org/gd37qdg1p/IMG_20161126_142856.jpg
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https://s12.postimg.org/i7g284325/IMG_20161126_084644.jpg
https://s12.postimg.org/uncs1uwe5/C360_2016_11_26_08_44_49_892.jpg
https://s12.postimg.org/6xncd5y0t/IMG_20161126_084136.jpg
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Strange that I am not getting this violet tint on any of my shots. I will do some testing again to see if I can replicate the issue. Are you using 2.7.010 of Google Camera app?

I used 3 versions; lastest for Android 6.0 witch one crash every change setting in cam, trouble with identifity cam and nearly black light level. 2nd from Le Store, witch as same as third for Android 4.4. i think the last one is this one. 2nd and 3rd had 'violet' trouble.
I tried NEXT time download from Le Store. Today sample was not violet, but still lower quality, like did on 2MPx's and a bit too light. Im boring, may my Le Photo works fine, better than your?

marik1 said:
I used 3 versions; lastest for Android 6.0 witch one crash every change setting in cam, trouble with identifity cam and nearly black light level. 2nd from Le Store, witch as same as third for Android 4.4. i think the last one is this one. 2nd and 3rd had 'violet' trouble.
I tried NEXT time download from Le Store. Today sample was not violet, but still lower quality, like did on 2MPx's and a bit too light. Im boring, may my Le Photo works fine, better than your?
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IQ is definitely better on Google Camera app. Le Eco Camera app is applying over-zealous noise reduction hence making the output soft and killing the detail.

My favorite cam app has been Open Camera for a long time, I'll give it a try. Especially now that I have CM13 running on it, which freaking rocks!:victory: Open camera has options for sharpness, image quality %, and even bitrate. Actually, bitrate in these example photos is probably one of the biggest differences. There's like 3mb difference per picture on the google and HDR shots. In my experience with video, bit rate makes a massive difference in sharpness/resolution and with less noise/blocking so I'm pretty sure the same applies to images.

benjmiester said:
My favorite cam app has been Open Camera for a long time, I'll give it a try. Especially now that I have CM13 running on it, which freaking rocks!:victory: Open camera has options for sharpness, image quality %, and even bitrate. Actually, bitrate in these example photos is probably one of the biggest differences. There's like 3mb difference per picture on the google and HDR shots. In my experience with video, bit rate makes a massive difference in sharpness/resolution and with less noise/blocking so I'm pretty sure the same applies to images.
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CM13 on LEX727? =D

So which camera app would produce the best results with the X727?

darkmuck said:
So which camera app would produce the best results with the X727?
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Sheer detail and sharpness, Google camera app 2.7
HDR, default LeEco camera app.

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CM13 on LEX727? =D
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Yep. Check out the 'buiding cyanogen' thread, somebody found a build of CM13 from a Chinese Le Pro site and hosted it on their Google drive. You have to be bootloader unlocked (can also do on 727 now). It's great, about 98% working as a daily. I've been on it since I posted that comment. No probs at all. There's a few really tiny things, just check the thread.
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benjmiester said:
My favorite cam app has been Open Camera for a long time, I'll give it a try. Especially now that I have CM13 running on it, which freaking rocks!:victory: Open camera has options for sharpness, image quality %, and even bitrate. Actually, bitrate in these example photos is probably one of the biggest differences. There's like 3mb difference per picture on the google and HDR shots. In my experience with video, bit rate makes a massive difference in sharpness/resolution and with less noise/blocking so I'm pretty sure the same applies to images.
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Note that photos with less detail will just have smaller file size not because of bitrate or bitrate-like functions. The concept of bitrate is not really relevant on pictures.
Though you can play with picture quality (JPEG compression) options, it does not have drastic effects like in video's bitrate unless it is implemented in crazy way. Bitrate restriction for video is there because video files can get very large. Pictures do not so there is no gatekeeper (limitation) to keep the file sizes down.

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Note that photos with less detail will just have smaller file size not because of bitrate or bitrate-like functions. The concept of bitrate is not really relevant on pictures.
Though you can play with picture quality (JPEG compression) options, it does not have drastic effects like in video's bitrate unless it is implemented in crazy way. Bitrate restriction for video is there because video files can get very large. Pictures do not so there is no gatekeeper (limitation) to keep the file sizes down.
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Ah, got it. Good to know if I bump up the quality setting, I won't be making them take up that much more space. I tried open camera (on CM now), but it doesn't have HDR, forgot to upload them. I haven't even looked at them yet! Hope they're good. I couldn't find the best subjects. Just a bunch of stuff in my kitchen to get some colors and details.
These are all with quality at 100% in open cam, default is 95 I believe. Some with flash, some without. Forgot to do a low light, but it's just a low watt LED bulb overhead in a real small apt kitchen.
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[MOD REQUEST] Camera post processing fix (over-saturation, sharpening etc.)

Hi all,
Is there any way to modify stock camera post processing libraries to achieve the results we want? Cinema 4K app is the only one on the market that seems to do the trick - using the camera2 api it can modify the way how the sensor process pixels (that's what they say in the description).
The app itself is extremely buggy, and lacks many features - strange resolutions to choose from, no way to select super-wide lens camera.
LG G6 can make pretty photos (RAW and in manual mode) - auto mode sucks especially in low light. The only con of photo camera is over saturation and awful handling of overexposures.
But my main concern is about videos:
On the firs snapshot you can see video taken with highest bitrate with the stock app with manual settings. The amount of over-saturation, contrast and sharpening is just awful.
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Here you can see different snapshot from the same day, lightening and environment taken with Cinema 4k, which is the only app for android, that offers "Flat" video profile and control of noise reduction processes.
The picture here may appear a little dull - but that's the image to use with post-processing. There is no default sharpening, huge dynamic range and not so saturated colors to grade later. Whole picture is a bit greenish - but it can be easily corrected in post.
If the creator of the app managed how to capture video without any stock processing there must be a way to do it by customising the camera libraries in the stock rom. If we can find out what files are managing the capture process we can not only easy our lives but help people with other phones - i think that too much processing is the main issue everyone encounters these days with phone cameras.
the only thread I found about the topic, but it only covers this one specific phones without any details.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/g5-plus/themes/modcamera-aggressive-sharpening-noise-t3604458
I just bought LG G6 after long struggle between the newest flagship models, tempted by the super wide lens. I switched from Mi 5s on which the video quality was more than superb - especially when using 3rd party flat video mode. The video quality is my main goal in smartphone - I use my mobile for video projects in addition to DSLR's.
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I send an email to Cinema 4K devs about: either clues on which files to modify to achieve similar results on other camera app based on open camera/stock camera app, or the info if they plan to continue to develop the App (the last update was made 11.2016)

Out of curiosity what is your G6 model? I've seen a lot of people with H870DS complaining, might be it.

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a camera mod would be great

+1 I agree. There is a big potential in the G6s camera but the default algorithms can ruin every photo makes it unnatural and oversharpened. From my side I can promise a donation for those who will work on the mod.

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Out of curiosity what is your G6 model? I've seen a lot of people with H870DS complaining, might be it.
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I have LG-H870, the non dual-sim EU version.
+1 I agree. There is a big potential in the G6s camera but the default algorithms can ruin every photo makes it unnatural and oversharpened. From my side I can promise a donation for those who will work on the mod.
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I can also declare to donate! Maybe someone knows the issue and can link us the thread from other phone, or some clue about which files are handling the camera processing?

For everyone who is searching for post-processing solution!
I forget about one wonderful project called FreeDcam,
It basically reads RAW data from a camera and lets you change some interesting variables hardcoded in system app! What is more, it detects all 3 cameras, let you record in every aspect and resolution! You can select a picture profile there and settings like denoiser, edge sharpening etc. What is more is currently still developing - new version came out 2 weeks ago.
The app is prepared for all the devices based on camera2 API, and the results are very good!
Find best settings for yourself, just in case I will give you what I found out to work the best:
- Edge Mode to off
- turn off Wavelet Denoise
- hot pixel correction: High quality
- tonemap: contrast curve - and adjust it for your needs (for me the nice little flat image you can achieve by turning the knobs to [10] | [30] | [55] | [80] | [95]
It brightens the shadows a bit while making more natural a bit overexposed look (stock camera tends to clip out high very intense highlights while preserving most of the image which results in pretty unnatural sun/bright light clipping)
The results in color saturation and sharpness are huge - in photos and videos. The app is not so intuitive and it lags sometimes but the results are outstanding.
https://github.com/troop/FreeDcam/releases
I had a strange problem with installing - I couldn't press the install button, but cancel button was responsive. Try to turn off always-on display for a while - worked for me

tomashix said:
For everyone who is searching for post-processing solution!
I forget about one wonderful project called FreeDcam,
It basically reads RAW data from a camera and lets you change some interesting variables hardcoded in system app! What is more, it detects all 3 cameras, let you record in every aspect and resolution! You can select a picture profile there and settings like denoiser, edge sharpening etc. What is more is currently still developing - new version came out 2 weeks ago.
The app is prepared for all the devices based on camera2 API, and the results are very good!
Find best settings for yourself, just in case I will give you what I found out to work the best:
- Edge Mode to off
- turn off Wavelet Denoise
- hot pixel correction: High quality
- tonemap: contrast curve - and adjust it for your needs (for me the nice little flat image you can achieve by turning the knobs to [10] | [30] | [55] | [80] | [95]
It brightens the shadows a bit while making more natural a bit overexposed look (stock camera tends to clip out high very intense highlights while preserving most of the image which results in pretty unnatural sun/bright light clipping)
The results in color saturation and sharpness are huge - in photos and videos. The app is not so intuitive and it lags sometimes but the results are outstanding.
https://github.com/troop/FreeDcam/releases
I had a strange problem with installing - I couldn't press the install button, but cancel button was responsive. Try to turn off always-on display for a while - worked for me
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Awesome ! That is what we needed . I get great results. Thanks for sharing. cheers

tomashix said:
For everyone who is searching for post-processing solution!
I forget about one wonderful project called FreeDcam,
It basically reads RAW data from a camera and lets you change some interesting variables hardcoded in system app! What is more, it detects all 3 cameras, let you record in every aspect and resolution! You can select a picture profile there and settings like denoiser, edge sharpening etc. What is more is currently still developing - new version came out 2 weeks ago.
The app is prepared for all the devices based on camera2 API, and the results are very good!
Find best settings for yourself, just in case I will give you what I found out to work the best:
- Edge Mode to off
- turn off Wavelet Denoise
- hot pixel correction: High quality
- tonemap: contrast curve - and adjust it for your needs (for me the nice little flat image you can achieve by turning the knobs to [10] | [30] | [55] | [80] | [95]
It brightens the shadows a bit while making more natural a bit overexposed look (stock camera tends to clip out high very intense highlights while preserving most of the image which results in pretty unnatural sun/bright light clipping)
The results in color saturation and sharpness are huge - in photos and videos. The app is not so intuitive and it lags sometimes but the results are outstanding.
https://github.com/troop/FreeDcam/releases
I had a strange problem with installing - I couldn't press the install button, but cancel button was responsive. Try to turn off always-on display for a while - worked for me
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Very interesting, gonna try this out..
Would you mind sharing the rest of your settings? I have no idea what stuff means... :silly:
(Also can't find where to edit the contrast curve.)

I found out that "Snap Camera" and "Open Camera" supports Camera2 api as well so you can switch between all 3 lenses. FreeDcam was too buggy and unstable and could not set right wide angle lens.
Snap Camera offers to fine tune everything for advanced user (switch off denoise, postprocess, etc.) and I get nice HDR.

I got rid of my G6. It was worst than my G4 at taking photos. Really disappointed tbh. Still trying to get a phone that beats the G4 camera is tough. Wish lg would sort the water colour processing out its driving me crazy.

+1 def need a camera mod

ipmanwck said:
I got rid of my G6. It was worst than my G4 at taking photos. Really disappointed tbh. Still trying to get a phone that beats the G4 camera is tough. Wish lg would sort the water colour processing out its driving me crazy.
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You need to go to the V-series they have better sensors and not overprocessing like the G6. It's still hard to beat the image quality in the G4.

dannejanne said:
You need to go to the V-series they have better sensors and not overprocessing like the G6. It's still hard to beat the image quality in the G4.
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Tell me about it. Really Impressed by my OP3T camera processing but lg G4 was really special.

Best Camera App for A2 Lite - Camera2 API required

Google Camera (all versions) running Pie OS has been very hit and miss in the focus problem, and therefore until a developer or OTA update can fix this issue, it is not recommended for pictures that matter. It is inconsistent as to when these issues occur. This being the case, if you are plagued with the Pie update, your camera performance results will not always be good.
After extensive testing with many hundreds of comparative photos taken with many camera apps this is the simple final conclusion:
Note that all these (except the stock app) require Camera2 API. Instructions elsewhere on this site.
For outdoor photos in bright light: Winner Stock A2 Lite camera app with the following settings:
Picture Quality:High, Contrast:Low, Saturation:High, Sharpness:High. These settings tend to take faster photos than HDR with similar results.
Note that all the camera apps work about the same in overall picture quality and only minor emphasis on color variations. While the google Cameras had a better saturation and warmer tone, the HDR artifacts in the sky make the photos only usable at lower screen resolutions. That limits your ability to crop or enlarge to bigger sizes. The stock camera did not exhibit these with HDR on.
For Indoor and low light: Winner in every test was the Pixel 2 camera app (GoogleCamera-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V8.2.apk) with HDR off or on depending on light levels. It produced sharp photos with surprisingly good clarity. The stock app was normally muddy and gcam 6+ was too grainy. As a bonus, the portrait mode zooms in (like the gcam 6+, which makes people look less distorted) and there is a motion video option (not tested yet) and lens blur that works better than the 2 lens system of the stock app, but the photos become only 5mp. Like the GCam 6+, HDR for solid color areas (like sky) had the same pattern. Haven't played with all the developer settings yet.
For ultra low light: Winner is the Google Camera 6 (MGC_6.1.013_MiMAX2_V1b_A8.1+fix_Hexagon_failed+blFront.apk) using the night sight feature found under More > Night. The idiosyncrasies of spontaneous app closure when a second shot is desired is annoying, however the results from their algorithm of image stacking is very well done. It also works well to create the smooth water motion for water falls and cascades, but only in dim light.
The gcam 5 app (GCamera_Mod_v.5.1.23_R5Plus_fix_crash.apk), that interestingly the pixel 2 app is based on, did not win in any category.
So I now have 3 camera apps to choose from depending on the photo required. Download an icon app to distinguish the 3 easily. I would imagine these results would be similar on other phones as well.
A note on HDR. None of the phone camera apps do HDR the way it is intended. In normal photography, HDR lightens areas in shadows and darkens blown out bright areas for a more usable photo by combining under exposed, properly exposed and overexposed images that are stacked and aligned. In all the camera apps tested, it makes little difference to shadows and even made shadows darker in the gcam HDR modes. What it does when needed is take multiple underexposed images (each at a faster exposure or lower ISO) and combine to increase (not decrease) contrast for a more vivid (but often artificial) contrast look, while better saturating colors and less noise for hand held images in low light. To do a proper HDR, you need to bracket the exposure and combine in photo shop (PS). There are phone apps that allow exposure bracketing and create the HDR in PS if you really want to get that involved. HDR+ only uses HDR when needed and HDR+ Enhanced the HDR is always on. When no HDR icon is visible, HDR is the HDR+ on when needed (auto mode).
I am currently running pie, and random focus issues have been surfacing for all the gcams. I read a comment that may be an issue with pie vs oreo, although not certain. It seems like Android One users are Google Beta testers. Pies battery life is much worse and no way to see what apps are causing the drain. I suspect it will get fixed in an update. Not for this forum though, there are already many out there for this issue. Main camera is set to Nexus 6P and Front camera a Nexus 5. I read elsewhere that this was optimal, but did not test if the others made any difference. The Nexus phones DO NOT use the same camera (sensor & Lens) on either the Front or Back camera so I am uncertain how much difference the setting actually makes. Most of the other settings were left as installed, although I am still testing to see if any improve the quality. Please chime in if you find any improvements and I will test and update this post. There is always room for improvements.
I would really welcome a more stable google camera build without the focus, night sight and HDR pattern issues. If someone has a line to the developer of these modded apps, please let them know.

Hi, thanks for sharing this. Do you have any specific settings for any of these apps? (Besides HDR)

Which gcam do you use for front selfies? On r5plus mod i get dank front selfies in good lighting but struggles so much on low light so much grain, noise and distortion. Or do you have any specific settings? Thanks

RyanHardy said:
Hi, thanks for sharing this. Do you have any specific settings for any of these apps? (Besides HDR)
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I will do some more experimentation and update the post when I finish. It is very time consuming for the developer settings do not have easy explanations as to what they do.

bon122728 said:
Which gcam do you use for front selfies? On r5plus mod i get dank front selfies in good lighting but struggles so much on low light so much grain, noise and distortion. Or do you have any specific settings? Thanks
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Pixel 2 for selfies, but HDR must be off for the photo to record. BTW, the flash works, but not sure it is any better then ambient light. Main issue is the 5mp front camera is a bit outdated. Lipstick on a pig is still a pig.

thanks and keep up the good work!
i think test results need to be explained a bit more detailed. for ex. oreo or pie based? you know, it's reported a lot that pie has gcams' losing focus issues (mostly with flash, blurry photos)
and yes, HDR and saturation (or maybe more) settings sharing would be better...

Hi rob1,
there are 6 GoogleCamera-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V8.2.apk in this link https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/.
which apk is that?
N6PbsgfixPortrait-GoogleCamera-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V8.2.apk
bsgfixPortrait-GoogleCamera-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V8.2.apk
bsgfix-GoogleCamera-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V8.2.apk
MI8_V1_N6_GoogleCamera-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V8.2.apk
OP6_N6_GoogleCamera-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V8.2.apk
Arnova's v8.2: GoogleCamera-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V8.2.apk
thanks!

dyobetem said:
Hi rob1,
there are 6 GoogleCamera-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V8.2.apk in this link https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/.
which apk is that?
N6PbsgfixPortrait-GoogleCamera-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V8.2.apk
bsgfixPortrait-GoogleCamera-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V8.2.apk
bsgfix-GoogleCamera-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V8.2.apk
MI8_V1_N6_GoogleCamera-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V8.2.apk
OP6_N6_GoogleCamera-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V8.2.apk
Arnova's v8.2: GoogleCamera-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V8.2.apk
thanks!
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Arnova's v8.2: GoogleCamera-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V8.2.apk (Arnova8G2, 2018-08-13, changelog)
Although I am not certain if it is the best. When visiting the rose parade floats, there were random times where focus was an issue. I will experiment further with other versions. Many of the apks that are not compatible will just not start up (black screen or return to home screen). It would be nice to find a more stable version.

I agree except for the stock camera For outdoor photos in bright light... textures are always "muddier" than gcam to me. It can have a more precise light sometimes but it's a price not worth to pay IMO. If someone doesn't want to be bothered I'd suggest to use only the google camera 6 in order to have at hand always the night mode, arnova is generally sharper but you need to fully zoom it to spot the difference... i noticed also that the night mode of camera 6 produces better results than arnova even in mid/low light scenes but not always and not for all the shots... smt i make two shots with arnova and camera 6 night mode and keep the best... pity that camera 6 doesn't allow to be started by double tapping on the power button though.

Are you running Pie or Oreo? Are you having intermittent focus issues with the gcams? Will night sight always allow a second night sight photo without restarting the camera app? Have you looked at a solid blue sky with HDR on any gcam, and is there a pattern there? Thank you.
BTW, all my tests I enlarged the photos to 100% pixel level and more in PS comparing many areas of the photo in unison.

rob.1 said:
Are you running Pie or Oreo? Are you having intermittent focus issues with the gcams? Will night sight always allow a second night sight photo without restarting the camera app? Have you looked at a solid blue sky with HDR on any gcam, and is there a pattern there? Thank you.
BTW, all my tests I enlarged the photos to 100% pixel level and more in PS comparing many areas of the photo in unison.
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I'm running Pie, i do have some refocusing (but often it stops) but only in very low light condition. I didn't experience problems on second shots of night mode but smt it quits when i select night mode though. I do remember sometimes to see a pattern but only in night mode and in bright light I think. That was also a reason for not to use always the night mode btw... will do a shot on a deep blu sky when I'll see it but as far as I remember I didn't see this issue with arnova at least

I use one Gcam app called "Gcamera" is only in english and hdr front camera works..but is a older version of gcam and don't have a night mode photo etc, IMHO the best choice is for video on 60fps the xiaomi camera (in Pie update 60fps is enable) , for general video and photo gcam (a lot of optimization and hdr+) , and for selfies gcam with hdr off..waiting for it to work.

Andreagia1994 said:
I use one Gcam app called "Gcamera" is only in english and hdr front camera works..but is a older version of gcam and don't have a night mode photo etc, IMHO the best choice is for video on 60fps the xiaomi camera (in Pie update 60fps is enable) , for general video and photo gcam (a lot of optimization and hdr+) , and for selfies gcam with hdr off..waiting for it to work.
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I didn't test it toroughly but I had the impression the video to be more stabilized and better detailed with arnova than the stock one... moreover I can use H265 to encode it...

btw i do have focusing problems with gcam and pie...

At the moment, the only solution for focus Gcam problem, Is change 4:3 to 16:9 and restart the app...

? i'm always in 16:9 but when I switch it doesn't work anyway...

biasiman said:
? i'm always in 16:9 but when I switch it doesn't work anyway...
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Try to force close the app, after changing the size

it's just terrible any news for update gcam app to handle pie?

This developer's works great for me, no crashes on night sight so far and more customisable
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-backrider/
Just don't switch to the front camera and photobooth or you have to force stop the camera to be able to save images

Try the bulkin043 V8Y
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It is optimized for mi a2 but some said everything works except hdr on the front cam
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https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-bulkin043/
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On ver 5r the development said he has fix the focus too.