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[Q] Is this a viable phone for me?

Hi!
I previously had a Note 4 for a day or two after release, coming from at that time, an iPhone. I subsequently returned the note, kept the iPhone, and recently upgraded to the 6+. Now with ATT's mobile share, I'm looking at adding a second line for how cheap it is. I'd like for that second line to be an android device, to get the best of both worlds. As a result of being out of the mix when it comes to android, or more like never having been in it, I have a couple questions.
I distinctly remember how much junk was on my ATT Note 4. Junk apps from Samsung, junk from ATT- and worst of all, I couldn't do anything about it (no root?). Has that changed? Is there a way to remove these apps, fix touch wiz annoyances, etc? I'd think that would require root, but like I mentioned, I don't know the details of note4 root status, or even rooting in general.
I currently have a Nexus 6 and Oneplus One on order (good prices on both of them), but personally like the Note4 the best- can I change it to make it perfect? Or is it still locked down and junked up?
Thanks for your help!

Don't get the AT&T Note 4. Get the T-Mobile Note 4 and use it on the AT&T network. The AT&T version is locked down whereas the T-Mobile version is not which means it's rootable. It looks like the AT&T Note 4 will never see permanent root, ever.
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I just bought my note 4 two weeks ago. If I could go back in time I would have bought the nexus 6. This phone lags too much for my liking. It is actually slower than my g2 was at opening apps. I thought I would like this phone but at this point regret my choice.

Gods Son said:
Don't get the AT&T Note 4. Get the T-Mobile Note 4 and use it on the AT&T network. The AT&T version is locked down whereas the T-Mobile version is not which means it's rootable. It looks like the AT&T Note 4 will never see permanent root, ever.
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So just to be clear, I can root a T-Mobile version of the note 4, and use it on att, with no loss of functionality(network speeds/lte bands/that sort of thing)? That sounds like a really attractive option to me. Would T-Mobile let me walk in and buy a device just straight up?
Thanks for the help!

citius117 said:
So just to be clear, I can root a T-Mobile version of the note 4, and use it on att, with no loss of functionality(network speeds/lte bands/that sort of thing)? That sounds like a really attractive option to me. Would T-Mobile let me walk in and buy a device just straight up?
Thanks for the help!
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OK heres what you do if they won't let you buy it straight up. Buy the t mobile version on the payment plan because like that there's no contact or ETF. Go home and make a call for 5 min on T mobile sim, then submit the imei to cell unlocker net. Then in a few days call and cancel the service with Tmobile and pay the remainder of the phone off, which by the way is $100 cheaper then the AT&T version. After receiving the unlock code from cell unlocker stick the AT&T sim in and when it boots it will ask for the unlock code, put it in and your good to go.
I have both versions of the note 4 and the t mobile version works perfect on the AT&T network except you have root, custom roms and kernels. All the rom developers in the note 4 t mobile forum full support the AT&T network in there roms straight out the box.
You might want to wait 3 months for the note 5 because this phone is already dated and is a big investment.
Good luck.
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Thanks for the help Sand, that is a great explanation. The tmobile device is clearly better then- no loss of service quality or anything, but still having the root, roms, etc. I think regardless of the imminent release of the note 5, I might still get the four for now, or just keep that incoming OPO One- waiting 3 months for the note 5, plus however much more time for rooting dev is a bit long for me. Regardless, I appreciate your information!

Rootable Phones for Verizon

Just curious... What are some Rootable Phones for Verizon with Custom Rom support? I'm looking to move on from the Note 4.. What do you guys Recommend? Thanks

Majority of phones are escpecially flagship devices look up the model with the word root at the end make sure whatever u find is for your model and your Android version then follow root instructions EXACTLY
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Stay away from the Note 4. Its locked down tight, there will be no root.

Keep an eye on this thread and you could possibly buy a Note 4 Developer Edition. You'd have to buy it outright but it'd be worth it. That's how I got mine. If you buy from Verizon or another retail outlet you'll end up paying full price over time anyway. There is no better phone than the N4DE.

bigduke$ said:
Majority of phones are escpecially flagship devices look up the model with the word root at the end make sure whatever u find is for your model and your Android version then follow root instructions EXACTLY
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Not really useful. The majority have HAD root on lower firmware, ie: note 3.
What would be useful to know is what phones have MAINTAINED root throughout all OTA.
Locked bootloadet is a different story. Almost impossible with all phones after Note 2.

Telemachus said:
Not really useful. The majority have HAD root on lower firmware, ie: note 3.
What would be useful to know is what phones have MAINTAINED root throughout all OTA.
Locked bootloadet is a different story. Almost impossible with all phones after Note 2.
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I abandoned 5 verizon lines over the VZW note 4
In my area of the country, T-mobile signal is great, and all their flagships are rootable/rom-able, even the ones that dont have root on other carriers (ATT, Sprint). Note 5 is rooted, rommed on T-mo, not on VZW. I am really sorry to see that; all my old pals after 10 years on verizon are locked out of their phones. I couldn't stand it anymore.
I hope things work out for you. Some folks can't easily switch; or dont want to, and I'm not trying to sell a fanboy stance- just sharing what I had to do to get what I actually wanted to pay for.

steven.rn said:
I abandoned 5 verizon lines over the VZW note 4
In my area of the country, T-mobile signal is great, and all their flagships are rootable/rom-able, even the ones that dont have root on other carriers (ATT, Sprint). Note 5 is rooted, rommed on T-mo, not on VZW. I am really sorry to see that; all my old pals after 10 years on verizon are locked out of their phones. I couldn't stand it anymore.
I hope things work out for you. Some folks can't easily switch; or dont want to, and I'm not trying to sell a fanboy stance- just sharing what I had to do to get what I actually wanted to pay for.
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I hear you. With five UDP lines, Verizon has me around its pinky. I must play its game, and bend over and take its locked down phones, as they have me addicted to their LTE crack and unlimited hotspot.
Nexus phones, DE phones, and XDA are the silver lining.
Once UDP gets officially killed, it's off to an MVNO.
But here is my list of known rootable phones:
GS3 on latest firmware
Note 2 on latest firmware (4.4.2)
Note 3 ONLY prior to 4.4.4
GS5 on 5.0 (need to downgrade to KK)
And phones I have with NO root.
Note 4 on any firmware
Note 5
V10
Note 3 on 4.4.4

Telemachus said:
Nexus phones, DE phones, and XDA are the silver lining.
But here is my list of known rootable phones:
GS3 on latest firmware
Note 2 on latest firmware (4.4.2)
Note 3 ONLY prior to 4.4.4
GS5 on 5.0 (need to downgrade to KK)
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To add to this, the Moto X Pure.

raduque said:
To add to this, the Moto X Pure.
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I think it goes without saying that DE and Pure phones are rootable.
I think a list of retail phones with root is what this thread should be about.

Telemachus said:
I think it goes without saying that DE and Pure phones are rootable.
I think a list of retail phones with root is what this thread should be about.
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Lg g4 has root on latest ota

Telemachus said:
I hear you. With five UDP lines, Verizon has me around its pinky. I must play its game, and bend over and take its locked down phones, as they have me addicted to their LTE crack and unlimited hotspot.
Nexus phones, DE phones, and XDA are the silver lining.
Once UDP gets officially killed, it's off to an MVNO.
But here is my list of known rootable phones:
GS3 on latest firmware
Note 2 on latest firmware (4.4.2)
Note 3 ONLY prior to 4.4.4
GS5 on 5.0 (need to downgrade to KK)
And phones I have with NO root.
Note 4 on any firmware
Note 5
V10
Note 3 on 4.4.4
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I'm in the same boat brother. I've tried the v10 but I'm addicted to Viper4Android and do pentesting. Root is a mandatory for me.
The thing that pisses me off about Verizon is I should be able to use my Hardware to its full capacity and potential given that I paid for the Hardware in full and I'm not on a monthly payment plan. I think Verizon's rationale is for customer safety, however people who know how to root their phone know how to protect their phone. I can compare it to Cable television.... I refuse to buy Cable because I don't want to pay to watch advertisements. I think it's absurd that these companies can charge you for data or television and then use your own money in way that you did not approve of. Its like bloat for phones or popup advertisements from verizon to buy more upgrades/roadside freaking assistance. I didn't approve of my data to be used by verizon to sell me stuff. My usage in terms of the things transmitted to my phone should be a one way street... nothing should come to my phone that I didn't ask for including Verizon's various pop up services for premium voicemail excetera.
In my opinion its unauthorized use of the things that I paid for and I own. And its stupid that I cant utilize my 600 dollar phone to its potential when I've paid for all services software and hardware.
but Verizon's full of a bunch of sh!t heads anyways that's why either workers are on strike.
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This would be good info if it was updated as Verizon phones gain root. I have the Moto Z, bought it before checking XDA, now i'm kicking myself in the ass! Sad thing though, is none of the other Verizon phones even appealed to me, minus the LG G5, but that one i don't think even has root yet either.

I have the LG v10 and rooted but no bootload3r unlock. Now that the note 4 is rootable and the bootload3r can be unlocked, I'm scrapping my v10 and buying the note 4 retail.
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Note 4 king of the verizon hill for power users hands down.

For rooting and bootloader unlocking there isn't a Verizon phone better suited than the Nexus 6P. Better than the note 4.

Spookymyo said:
For rooting and bootloader unlocking there isn't a Verizon phone better suited than the Nexus 6P. Better than the note 4.
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Maybe. But I can replace my battery, insert a SD card and have the S-Pen. The Nexus 6P will get Nougat and whatever will follow while the Note 4 will only get security updates.

douger1957 said:
Maybe. But I can replace my battery, insert a SD card and have the S-Pen. The Nexus 6P will get Nougat and whatever will follow while the Note 4 will only get security updates.
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Nexus 6p will only get whatever update you allow it. I never take updates when I root. Plus I never stay with the stock ROM. I use CM13. With the Nexus having 128gb of space there's no issues with space but I will agree it needs a swappable battery.

Can I root the Pixel 3 XL and get the phone back to stock?

The Situation: I'm with Verizon with a Note 3. The problems are it won't work past the end of the year because it has no HD voice, and the Verizon Note 4 and 5 won't support Colombian bands. Moreover, I plan to live in Colombia a lot of the time. I also need call recording because that's how we bill for our time and take notes for projects. I've used a stylus and this capability to automate my business since the TouchPro2, but the Note 8 and 9 get Pie, which are both regressions and cannot record calls, and they are not rootable so they can be made to. I looked for phones that are root-friendly, and this the Pixel 3 XL tops that list.
What I want: Either be able to record calls and use Google Pay, or root it and record calls. For the Verizon network, it must be able to do Verizon's VoLTE and aggregation would be nice, as well as LTE-A standard's based VoLTE and aggregation like they use in Colombia and everywhere else.
Questions about the Pixel 3 XL (or 3a XL) It SOUNDS like this model allows you to root it and if you want to go back later you can reset it to factory and and again enable Google Pay, unlike Samsung and their locked loader and fuse fiasco. Would that be accurate?
Other: I love my stylus and have only had phones with one since the Touch Pro2. I've never been a fan of KNOX fuse, and after Kit-Kat there is no way around not tripping it, and now you can't even acquire root, so perhaps it's time to ditch Samsung. If I need to carry 2 phones, I guess that's how it is, and I'll get a Note 4 for the US and have calls forwarded to it via Google Voice while I'm in Colombia, and a second phone to use locally that can use Google Pay or whatever.
Thanks!

IT_Architect said:
The Situation: I'm with Verizon with a Note 3. The problems are it won't work past the end of the year because it has no HD voice, and the Verizon Note 4 and 5 won't support Colombian bands. Moreover, I plan to live in Colombia a lot of the time. I also need call recording because that's how we bill for our time and take notes for projects. I've used a stylus and this capability to automate my business since the TouchPro2, but the Note 8 and 9 get Pie, which are both regressions and cannot record calls, and they are not rootable so they can be made to. I looked for phones that are root-friendly, and this the Pixel 3 XL tops that list.
What I want: Either be able to record calls and use Google Pay, or root it and record calls. For the Verizon network, it must be able to do Verizon's VoLTE and aggregation would be nice, as well as LTE-A standard's based VoLTE and aggregation like they use in Colombia and everywhere else.
Questions about the Pixel 3 XL (or 3a XL) It SOUNDS like this model allows you to root it and if you want to go back later you can reset it to factory and and again enable Google Pay, unlike Samsung and their locked loader and fuse fiasco. Would that be accurate?
Other: I love my stylus and have only had phones with one since the Touch Pro2. I've never been a fan of KNOX fuse, and after Kit-Kat there is no way around not tripping it, and now you can't even acquire root, so perhaps it's time to ditch Samsung. If I need to carry 2 phones, I guess that's how it is, and I'll get a Note 4 for the US and have calls forwarded to it via Google Voice while I'm in Colombia, and a second phone to use locally that can use Google Pay or whatever.
Thanks!
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As long as you get the phone directly from Google, you will need able to freely unlock Bootloader, root, re-lock the bootloader and go back to stock, all this without voiding your warrantee or blowing fuses like in Samsung phones. I'm sure you can also get Google pay to work while rooted with the available Magisk modules and workaround (although I myself don't use it). I do use the Samsung pay with my Samsung watch synced with my rooted Pixel 3Xl and it works just fine by hiding root on Magisk.
Sent from my Pixel 3 XL

Eudeferrer said:
As long as you get the phone directly from Google, you will need able to freely unlock Bootloader, root, re-lock the bootloader and go back to stock, all this without voiding your warrantee or blowing fuses like in Samsung phones. I'm sure you can also get Google pay to work while rooted with the available Magisk modules and workaround (although I myself don't use it). I do use the Samsung pay with my Samsung watch synced with my rooted Pixel 3Xl and it works just fine by hiding root on Magisk. Sent from my Pixel 3 XL
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I love my stylus, but I thought a lot about the Pixel 3 XL for the very reasons you mention. You're making it hard for me to stick to Samsung.

Trust me, coming from someone who owned every generation of Note except the first, I can honestly tell you that it's hard giving the pen up but it is so totally worth it in other ways....I don't think I will ever look back specially when I know every first Monday of every month my phone will receive the latest update and will be updated before every other phone out there. I got sick and tired of Samsung releasing OS updates 8 to 9 months after Google made them available to everyone. I do miss certain features but once I adapted, they are insignificant now. The camera is also top notch and is and will always be the Standard for Android phones. Every Android phone that comes out is immediately compared to the last Pixel and for the most part, the Pixel pretty much always wins.
Sent from my Pixel 3 XL

Eudeferrer said:
I got sick and tired of Samsung releasing OS updates 8 to 9 months after Google made them available to everyone.
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Can you go back to Oreo and hold it there? I cannot go past Oreo or else my business software will no longer work.

Pixel 3xl was released on Android pie. You cannot use Oreo. For that you need a pixel 2.
Sent from my Pixel 3 XL

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Pixel 3xl was released on Android pie. You cannot use Oreo. For that you need a pixel 2. Sent from my Pixel 3 XL
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That won't work for me then.
With Samsung lately the phone is never yours. Google crippled my business with their policy update so I had to find an old apk. Pie wants to do the same with their operating system...in the name of security. I got their name of security. While they are at work, I'll fix all of the cars in Samsung's parking lot so that their car will start, but I'll disable their transmissions to keep them safe.
Samsung is infuriating me. My Touch Pro2 was just a handheld PC and I could put Windows, Android, or iPhone emulation on it. With the Note 3, I could root it without tripping KNOX and get where I wanted to go with Android. I wouldn't be swapping it out except Verizon says it won't work past EOY because it is not LTE-A. So its a Note 9 with Oreo, or 2 Note 4s rooted with Kit-Kat; one AT&T for Colombia, and one Verizon for the states. They are LTE-A and have replaceable batteries besides.

Can the AT&T Note 4 be Upgraded to Android 8.0?

Hey, I'm pretty new to modding phones and have been searching around for a way to get my phone (SM-N910A) to be able to run android 8.0 or higher but haven't found anything. Is it just not possible at this time without swapping out parts of the phone or is there a way I have overlooked?

XDApplePie -- The ATT N4 Model SM-N910A cannot be rooted. That was what two genuine experts told me, but they didn't explain why. If so, I think a custom rom can't be installed.
I too want to flash a custom rom to my ATT Note 4. There are many N4 custom ROMs but I can't find any that support the ATT N4. I noticed that ALL the supported N4s have the Exynos chip but NO SnapDragon N4s are supported. The ATT N4 has the Qualcomm SnapDragon chip. My guess is that for some reason the SnapDragon chipset might the obstacle.

TLDR All because of a locked bootloader from ATT due to government contract; even the bounty on in here didn't have a winner
I myself have moved on to Tab A 8 with SPen and just recently to Note 10+ (can't let go of the SPen)

boofman said:
TLDR All because of a locked bootloader from ATT due to government contract; even the bounty on in here didn't have a winner
I myself have moved on to Tab A 8 with SPen and just recently to Note 10+ (can't let go of the SPen)
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I just got off my Note 7 after futilely *****ing out AT&T for deceiving its customers. AT&T does say its phones are locked ... but when you ask a Customer Service Rep if the phone can be 'unlocked' after the contract is expired & phone paid off in full, they say 'yes'. But I just learned that ATT means 'carrier unlocked' only! But the bootloader remains locked forever.
ATT never tells customers that BOTH the carrier and bootloader is locked!
I have two classic Notes -- 4 & 7 -- trapped in stock ATT Android 6 -- and just learned I can't custom rom them to Andy 9. Heartbreaking for a Note FANatic.
So, I am looking at an unlocked Note 10 bought directly from Samsung. But ha, ha, ATT's worthwhile features like its custom dailer, sync calls between Note & Galaxy Watch, Spam Call Block, & etc won't work on a non-ATT unlocked Note 10. The greedy corporate assholes.
My daily driver ATT N7 is cooked. Its ATT Andy 6 is forever frozen. Its 3.5 yr old STOCK battery is failing. OEM replacement battery is a hopeless hope. A battery mod is extreme. I am heartbroken. I have to get a N10 ... and probably an ATT variant for the sake of my ATT Galaxy Watch.
Oh boy, I let ATT trap me like a sheep to be sheared.
Hah, Corporate Big Brother at its worst. Locked bootloader even though you pay for the phone

Question Google Pixel 6 Pro Question

Does anyone know if I buy outright an unlocked Google Pixel 6 Pro from the Google store of even like a Best Buy, and I activate it on Verizon am I able to unlock the bootloader? I have always owned Samsung with Verizon and am looking at purchasing the Pixel 6 Pro and being able to root and install custom rom, and tired of Verizon making it impossible even if I own the phone. Also will I be happy going form an Galaxy S20 Plus 5G to the Pixel 6 Pro as far as an upgrade?
Any advice and info is greatly appreciated!

inayarens said:
Does anyone know if I buy outright an unlocked Google Pixel 6 Pro from the Google store of even like a Best Buy, and I activate it on Verizon am I able to unlock the bootloader? I have always owned Samsung with Verizon and am looking at purchasing the Pixel 6 Pro and being able to root and install custom rom, and tired of Verizon making it impossible even if I own the phone. Also will I be happy going form an Galaxy S20 Plus 5G to the Pixel 6 Pro as far as an upgrade?
Any advice and info is greatly appreciated!
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One area that comes to mind is the overall brightness of displays.
While I haven't used the S series (until the S22 Ultra) in several years, I have used the Note series. The Pixel 6 Pro is noticeably dimmer than Samsung's flagship devices.
So, if you're otherwise content with the S20+, I'd hang on to it & wait for the Pixel 7 Pro to arrive.
It's rumored to have the same display as the Pixel 6 Pro, but, who knows, they could crank up the maximum brightness on it....
I do have the Pixel 6 Pro & yes, it's not just spec comparison on paper, it's a nice display, but, noticeably dimmer than Samsung's S series phones.
I do not have an answer on the B/L once activated on VZW, hopefully someone else will chime in to answer that question.

Ad above and also from my understanding if you bought the 6 pro from best buy on Verizon the bl would be locked but if you got it unlocked from best buy or Google you can unlock bl I'm based in uk so I could be wrong your best bet would prob wait for the 7 pro I came from a Galaxy fold to then a Sony Xperia 5 ii to then a pixel 6 pro

Yes you can. I have a Pro 6 unlocked from the google store, activated on verizon. And I have my bootloader unlocked(I think any unlocked android phone, regardless of what phone company you activate it with, can have it's bootloader unlocked). And I'm based in the USA.

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(I think any unlocked android phone, regardless of what phone company you activate it with, can have it's bootloader unlocked). And I'm based in the USA.
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Just to clarify - a Samsung unlocked U.S.A. model phone coming straight from Samsung is not able to have its bootloader unlocked no matter what. But yes, any factory unlocked Google Pixel will be able to have its bootloader unlocked no matter what carrier you use it with - although I would try to unlock it before inserting a SIM in case there's any confusion/delay. I don't know if there are other examples similar to Samsung whose unlocked phones in the U.S. aren't able to have their bootloader unlocked.

roirraW edor ehT said:
Just to clarify - a Samsung unlocked U.S.A. model phone coming straight from Samsung is not able to have its bootloader unlocked no matter what. But yes, any factory unlocked Google Pixel will be able to have its bootloader unlocked no matter what carrier you use it with - although I would try to unlock it before inserting a SIM in case there's any confusion/delay. I don't know if there are other examples similar to Samsung whose unlocked phones in the U.S. aren't able to have their bootloader unlocked.
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Ah I see. Yeah, I've never owned a Samsung, so wasn't totally sure. Thanks for the correction

inayarens said:
Does anyone know if I buy outright an unlocked Google Pixel 6 Pro from the Google store of even like a Best Buy, and I activate it on Verizon am I able to unlock the bootloader? I have always owned Samsung with Verizon and am looking at purchasing the Pixel 6 Pro and being able to root and install custom rom, and tired of Verizon making it impossible even if I own the phone. Also will I be happy going form an Galaxy S20 Plus 5G to the Pixel 6 Pro as far as an upgrade?
Any advice and info is greatly appreciated!
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The S20 Plus 5G is a very decent phone. It has a decent battery, screen and camera. To be honest here, as long as some Pixel exclusive features (now playing, automatic call screening) aren't super important to you, I'd wait for the Pixel 7. It's an expensive toy to cash out a grand for mediocre ~15% improvements overall.

Sorry for hijacking the thread. This is the only recent thread related to a question I have. If I purchase a Pixel 6 Pro Carrier Unlocked from Google for Verizon and unlock the bootloader, will my 5G work? I feel like the Pixel 6 Pro is my only option for unlockable bootloaders for Verizon with 5G. I'm still on a Galaxy S9+ rooted/unlocked bootloader and it won't work soon since it's not 5G.

AsaSpades said:
Sorry for hijacking the thread. This is the only recent thread related to a question I have. If I purchase a Pixel 6 Pro Carrier Unlocked from Google for Verizon and unlock the bootloader, will my 5G work? I feel like the Pixel 6 Pro is my only option for unlockable bootloaders for Verizon with 5G. I'm still on a Galaxy S9+ rooted/unlocked bootloader and it won't work soon since it's not 5G.
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Yes.

Just to confirm, I did buy the Pixel 6 Pro from Best Buy and the BL was unlocked. I did take the advice of one of the people that replied and unlocked it before I put the sim in so not sure if that made a difference but I don't believe it did. To the comparison, I believe the S21 Galaxy scrolls a lot smoother on web pages and other content than the Pixel and also seemed just all around better performance. That being said after a few months of updates and installing SparkOS Rom (I have tried every ROM and kernel made for the Pixel 6 Pro) my Pixel 6 Pro blows the S21 away. This is my opinion of course and it's mostly due to the customization ability and tweaking I have learned and failed on also, lol.... So yes I am very happy I made the decision and I won't be going back to a Smasung unless things change drastically with the Pixel. But I will be looking at the Pixel 7 Pro mostly due to my feelings on the Tensor being the 1st phone Google implement it on, I am sure there will be improvement and adjustment more than just software updates they can do with the Pixel 6. Thanks for the replies and the advice, I appreciate it and it helped me in my decision!!