As many, I am quite astonished by the G4's lack of development (not to insult the awesome devs having allready crafted some nice roms/tweaks or the one working on it (Awaiting CM12 patiently ).
With solutions like flashfire, the fact we can root, have Xposed etc... without bootloader unlocking, why doesn't LG just open up ? It worked great for Motorola, the nexus line is beloved for just having the cleanest possible android and quick updates.
LG's UI isn't really as loved as Sense or Touchwiz (even if in my mind nothing beats stock, sprinkled with some goodies à la motorola).
I just wish an LG dev/executive/t-shirt seller reads this and thinks : Hey, why don't we open the bootloader ? It doesn't change anything for us, as people can already. flash what the want. Hey, why don't we give our customers the choice to use an aosp build next to our UI, so everybody can have it the way they want ?
Wouldn't this be an easy way to get some sells and a distinguishing factor in this hard market ?
Just my little late night rant, but this seems to obvious to still not be a norml situation (well Motorola got it... thanks Google for that)...
LG having made now 3 Nexii could really have learnt something... I might still buy their phones, but it could be a much more obvious choice if openness had a bigger place in their mind.
Any opinions or ideas on how to change this ? Change.org ? A sitting in front of their offices ?
Have a great time guys
The nexus 5, and now the new small one, are both by LG and have unlocked bootloaders. Bootloaders aren't locked by LG, its by carrier. The internation verison, and Tmobile have unlocked ones, and you can flash stock roms on sprint devices...
Also, the percentage of people who root is very low in terms of all the people who buy the phone.
Example: At the store I work at, we sold over 100 G4's since its been out. Maybe like 6 of those people will root if even that.
Some variants (815 international non EU) are controlled by LG. However, I wouldn't say they don't care about their customers. Honestly, how many people with an android phone root their phones? How many of them care about bootloaders? Sure if looking only at XDA people, it would be over 80% but in real life random sampling with a large population I'd say it's below 2-3% easily. Out of everyone I know with Iphones/Nexuses/Samsungs/LGs I can, honestly, only say maybe 2-3 of them jailbreak of root/want an unlocked bootloader.
So yeah, overall sales would not improve at all by advertising an unlocked bootloader, especially once you factor in that your warranty is null and void once you unlock it.
I wish all OEM's would release an unlocked version with unlockable boatloaders and faster updates and sell them on their website for full price. Not sure why it has to be carrier or nothing in the states.
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I wish all OEM's would release an unlocked version with unlockable boatloaders and faster updates and sell them on their website for full price. Not sure why it has to be carrier or nothing in the states.
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That is ideal, but when there are different markets all over the world, it's too complicated and potentially costly to implement compared to the potential sales.
People that unlock/root/flash phones as a hobby is quite a small percentage of their customer base, why would they cater to you? Plus, H811 has unlocked bootloader
I meant unlocked bootloader but without the warranty loss. XDA has some million members, even 50% of that could be interesting (look at the oneplus one, it is not the selling feature, just a nice plus argument).
They could save money by not trying to lock the phone up so much and it would be interesting to some... As we all know that flashing can't simply wrong your phone (especially if it is designed to be flashed).
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Bootloaders aren't locked by LG, its by carrier.
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That's not at all true. it's LG that is locking the bootloader, nothing to do with the carriers.
because the bl is locked,and the developer can't develop the customer rom ,including based o stock.:crying:
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I meant unlocked bootloader but without the warranty loss. XDA has some million members, even 50% of that could be interesting (look at the oneplus one, it is not the selling feature, just a nice plus argument).
They could save money by not trying to lock the phone up so much and it would be interesting to some... As we all know that flashing can't simply wrong your phone (especially if it is designed to be flashed).
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Over 99% of LG customers do not even know what rooting is, nor "flashing a ROM". Locked bootloaders are a manufacturer's choice for security concerns....Manufacturers like Samsung leave the choice in the carriers' hands....it is not directed at this community to prevent flashing AOSP ROMs.....it is an attempt to keep malicious hackers out of the phone...LG could care less about that...it is just collateral damage. So as far as LG's "customers" are concerned there would be no noticeable increase in sales by supplying an unlock.
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That's not at all true. it's LG that is locking the bootloader, nothing to do with the carriers.
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When I had Samsung it was most differently carrier. Att was the only one who had blocked bootloaders and it was the carrier choice. Why then would lg just allow T-Mobile G4s to be unlocked? It didn't make sense to only allow two out their models if carriers have nothing to do with it.
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I meant unlocked bootloader but without the warranty loss. XDA has some million members, even 50% of that could be interesting (look at the oneplus one, it is not the selling feature, just a nice plus argument).
They could save money by not trying to lock the phone up so much and it would be interesting to some... As we all know that flashing can't simply wrong your phone (especially if it is designed to be flashed).
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It's never going to happen. FWIW if you unlock the oneplus one's bootloader, the warranty is void as well. You can brick your phone if you don't know what you are doing with an unlocked bootloader. This is why they do not come unlocked standard, and if you choose to unlock you lose warranty.
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It's never going to happen. FWIW if you unlock the oneplus one's bootloader, the warranty is void as well. You can brick your phone if you don't know what you are doing with an unlocked bootloader. This is why they do not come unlocked standard, and if you choose to unlock you lose warranty.
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Well... Not really...
https://oneplus.net/de/support/answer/will-rooting-or-unlocking-the-bootloader-void-my-warranty
Of course you can make dumb stuff... But people knowing nothing and wanting to root at all price will always try, so isn't it better if there is a simple and easy solution at hand ?
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Well... Not really...
https://oneplus.net/de/support/answer/will-rooting-or-unlocking-the-bootloader-void-my-warranty
Of course you can make dumb stuff... But people knowing nothing and wanting to root at all price will always try, so isn't it better if there is a simple and easy solution at hand ?
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That's if you buy it directly from oneplus, however, you have an A0001 model, which is the Chinese-market version bought by a grey-market seller, who will probably consider any warranty void if the bootloader is unlocked. Even Google Nexus' phones have their warranty void when the bootloader is unlocked, and the Nexus phones were initially designed to be phones for developers to develop on.
I suspect the reason why many companies do not allow bootloaders to be unlocked easily is because there is no real benefit to them having it easily unlocked. In fact, having it easily unlocked (even with having the warranty void) could actually be an issue. This is because they then have less control over what software is actually running on their phones. Say someone installs an aftermarket rom, which is in beta, then someone who doesn't really doesn't have the XDA know-how uses it, they might find it unstable, laggy, crappy etc...and attribute it to the brand, and will tell others to avoid that brand. Then there is the problem of people who unlocked the bootloaders, who attempt to still try to send in their phone for warranty purposes when they broke it, or claim they didn't know their warranty would be void, this costs money still to check the phone determine that the boolader was unlocked. Then there may be some malicious people who convince their 'friends' to unlock their bootloaders, and install some virus, or spying software, and that could be blamed on the OEM by the person who doesn't know any better. IMO it could easily be considered an unacceptable risk to allow bootloaders to be easily unlocked compared to any benefit gained.
So except for appeasing the very small niche market that XDA caters to, which isn't really much of a benefit at all, there is more risk than it's worth to making bootloaders easily unlocked.
The only reason Oneplus could get away with that was because they didn't sell lots of phones (directly), they had a controlled invite system, and really most of the people who were even aware of oneplus' existence tended to be more of the type of people you'd find on XDA anyways. Even then, their customer service, even buying direct from Oneplus has been pretty shoddy.
Do you want my receipt form OnePlus ?
Or maybe the RMA Receipt of the last A0001 ?
Do you want my RMA receipt from the Bootloader unlocked/ custom kernel / custom recovery and whatever Nexus 5 I sent them ?
(and just FYI before you continue telling some random stuff... you can relock the Oneplus One/Nexus phons and there is no flag triggered (atleast not a known one...). Please do some research and just stop).
And you contradict yourself. You speak of a little niche, then talking about Oneplus targeting directly "Xda-memberish people" you know they sold some hundred-thousands of phone right ? So if my company could sell like even just 100.000 phones more (or even 50.000) just by making myselfs and the user's life easier why not do it ?
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Do you want my receipt form OnePlus ?
Or maybe the RMA Receipt of the last A0001 ?
Do you want my RMA receipt from the Bootloader unlocked/ custom kernel / custom recovery and whatever Nexus 5 I sent them ?
(and just FYI before you continue telling some random stuff... you can relock the Oneplus One/Nexus phons and there is no flag triggered (atleast not a known one...). Please do some research and just stop).
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If you're in Europe you WILL get your warranty denied if you send in a device with altered software unless you can prove that the issue is not caused by the altered software. If you somehow managed to get a device repair under warranty it's either luck, an untrained chain of service workers or a very trained chain of service employees that understood that your issue was not caused by the altered system state.
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And you contradict yourself. You speak of a little niche, then talking about Oneplus targeting directly "Xda-memberish people" you know they sold some hundred-thousands of phone right ? So if my company could sell like even just 100.000 phones more (or even 50.000) just by making myselfs and the user's life easier why not do it ?
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Because these numbers are insignificant for Samsung, LG, Motorola or whatever brand you want. Heck even for HTC they are. The extra effort would cost more in labor than those 100k device's turn over (yes, turn over, not even profit!).
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If you're in Europe you WILL get your warranty denied if you send in a device with altered software unless you can prove that the issue is not caused by the altered software. If you somehow managed to get a device repair under warranty it's either luck, an untrained chain of service workers or a very trained chain of service employees that understood that your issue was not caused by the altered system state.
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I am in Europe, I even discussed it with them... there really isn't a problem with it as long as you can clearly explain what you did and how it can't affect. You just need to know what you are doing... but same goes for kids and knifes... Overprotecting just brings a bigger mess at a later moment.
Because these numbers are insignificant for Samsung, LG, Motorola or whatever brand you want. Heck even for HTC they are. The extra effort would cost more in labor than those 100k device's turn over (yes, turn over, not even profit!).[/QUOTE]
Isn't it more wok for them to find new protective measures than just letting it open ?
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Isn't it more wok for them to find new protective measures than just letting it open ?
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Yes, it is more expensive at first, but cheaper in the long run.
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Do you want my receipt form OnePlus ?
Or maybe the RMA Receipt of the last A0001 ?
Do you want my RMA receipt from the Bootloader unlocked/ custom kernel / custom recovery and whatever Nexus 5 I sent them ?
(and just FYI before you continue telling some random stuff... you can relock the Oneplus One/Nexus phons and there is no flag triggered (atleast not a known one...). Please do some research and just stop).
And you contradict yourself. You speak of a little niche, then talking about Oneplus targeting directly "Xda-memberish people" you know they sold some hundred-thousands of phone right ? So if my company could sell like even just 100.000 phones more (or even 50.000) just by making myselfs and the user's life easier why not do it ?
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I did not know about the unlock flags not being triggered, that is my mistake. However, I did not contradict myself. OnePlus sells very few phones, and do not have mass appeal, and they targeted a specific group. This group is so insignificant, that large companies like Apple, Samsung, LG , Sony, HTC etc can really ignore them without much issue. I own an oneplus one. You may have had good luck with RMAing, but I know plenty that have had issues. Personally, I wouldn't buy another OnePlus phone for at least a couple generations.
The issue here is that you have not come up with a convincing argument to why bootloaders should be easily unlocked, and how that would lead to a significant market share increase for these companies, and that this larger market share would offset any costs and risk they inherit due to having an easily unlocked bootloader. I do not have the numbers, but, if you would like to convince these companies to do so, the onus would be on you to prove to these companies that it's worth their time.
Here is an example of why easily unlocked bootloaders can lead to bad experiences: Malware at the system level (not just installed, but intergrated into the system)
https://medium.com/@tuesdev/as-many...hs-to-receive-a-oneplus-2-invite-ba20ac8606ae
Although not specifically stated, without the unlocked bootloader this process would be far more difficult. Lucky the writer of the article knows it isn't Oneplus to blame...
I'm curious how FunkeyHuawei can do this? did they find a way to generate the codes needed to unlock the bootloader based on the IMEI ?
Below they claim on Twitter that their methods now work for Mate 20, I'm also curious if all of this official BL unlock ban and unofficial unlock method are killing the ROM development? It seems so based on the limited amount of ROMs available for the Mate 10.
I'm only asking for some info here, not trying to prove points or sway opinions, I loved my nexus 6P
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I think you need to pay for that - which means Rip Huawei for us. There is no way to pay for something like bootloader unlock... it's not Apple with broken MIUI
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I think you need to pay for that - which means Rip Huawei for us. There is no way to pay for something like bootloader unlock... it's not Apple with broken MIUI
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I disagree. We had the same thing with HTC and getting s-off. And people - including me - payed for it, cause it was worth it. I'm not sure, though whether it's worth 55 bucks
Yeah but you and the other which pay for that are the 1%. HTC is almost dead...
here is the price
lets just say i wont pay that for a unlocked bootloader
Is it money back guarantee?
Meh, pay $41 more to get the unlock code. I wonder if this service belongs to Huawei as well.
Hi,
I just go this phone for Christmas and I'm trying to root in order to get my apps and everything back, and I know Xiaomi has been annoying with security and put a lock between 72h and 360 (wtf...) but here I got 1080 hours to wait ! I Googled it and couldn't find anyone else with this much time to wait so please reassure me and tell me I'm no the only one ?
I've been looking for a fix for the past two days with no luck, I don't have any access to the play store and I'm stuck with a half chinese, half english semi brick I can't use...
Any help will be appreciated
don’t the hosts of phones obstruct xiaomi make the money
Every account can unlock one device within 30 days.
Maybe you unlocked an device and 30 days didn’t pass.
If this is not your case write to service email about the reason of such delay and share their answer with us.
I can add the feature of being unmanageable and it try to make public all staff you doing on phone.
I guess no one have a way to stop that.
"Дорогие Xiaomi, не мешают ли вам хозяева телефонов, майнить деньги?"
When I first requested unlock of my Mi Max 3, it said I had to wait 720 hours.
After around 360 hours, I was able to unlock.
So I'm not sure what the reason for the reduction in wait time was, perhaps due to me being a Xiaomi user for a couple of years.
I guess you could write to them or try again after a couple of weeks, to see if they've adjusted it for you.
GEoMaNTiK said:
When I first requested unlock of my Mi Max 3, it said I had to wait 720 hours.
After around 360 hours, I was able to unlock.
So I'm not sure what the reason for the reduction in wait time was, perhaps due to me being a Xiaomi user for a couple of years.
I guess you could write to them or try again after a couple of weeks, to see if they've adjusted it for you.
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when I first request unlock it said wait 360hours.
The Xiaomi can change that value with just finger snap in either direction with no announce. (Google:the+thanos+finger+snap)
Hard to predict in what half of universe you will be ) after that.
We should all be thankful we still got to unlock the bootloader...
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We should all be thankful we still got to unlock the bootloader...
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Not really, Android is Open Source and so if manufacturers want the free software (especially ones like Xiaomi who don't even include Google Play Services in their Chinese ROM's so don't have to pay a cent to Google), they should give back to the community too by making bootloader unlocking fairly easy. It should be a simple option hidden in the dev settings menu at worst.
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We should all be thankful we still got to unlock the bootloader...
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oh...
I'm thankful to Xiaomi for:
for the best ratio of the hardware/price
for the good battery and the bigger screen.
And please don't tell me I should be happy with locked boot-loader and mess with arb, i already have multiple reason to be not happy with it.
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Not really, Android is Open Source and so if manufacturers want the free software (especially ones like Xiaomi who don't even include Google Play Services in their Chinese ROM's so don't have to pay a cent to Google), they should give back to the community too by making bootloader unlocking fairly easy. It should be a simple option hidden in the dev settings menu at worst.
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They should but they don't... Like disable ARB with unlocked bootloader... Next step is disable bootloader unlock...
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oh...
I'm thankful to Xiaomi for:
for the best ratio of the hardware/price
for the good battery and the bigger screen.
And please don't tell me I should be happy with locked boot-loader and mess with arb, i already have multiple reason to be not happy with it.
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Of course not...
But as long as hardware is cheap and bootloader is unlockable I'll be happy. That's all I need from a phone.
Hi everyone, someone knows how to root honor9x, it seems to me first I need to unlock the bootloader, thanks ( I translated this)
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Hi everyone, someone knows how to root honor9x, it seems to me first I need to unlock the bootloader, thanks ( I translated this)
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I just purchased this cellphone. There is no current way to unlock it's bootloader. So your correct that means no custom recovery no root access an no custom ROMs are possible.
I guess you can thank Donald Trump for that. Last year he decided that the only country allowed to use cellphones to gather consumer data was America.
Long story short after Huawei could not run a multi billion dollar business 90 days at a time which was the only way he allowed Huawei to use Google an Android: Huawei went with it's own propriatory operating system an dumped it's relationship with America Google an Android.
As a result this cellphone being after these events this cellphone is completely locked in every way.
You can install google play services (with some difficulty ) an you can install things like themes an apks.
But that's all for now unless Trump realises that America lost billions of dollars in business when it forced Huawei to walk.
Can you really see Trump the utter narcissist going to Huawei an apologising an removing 90 day business operations permissions from them?
I don't think so lol
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I just purchased this cellphone. There is no current way to unlock it's bootloader. So your correct that means no custom recovery no root access an no custom ROMs are possible.
I guess you can thank Donald Trump for that. Last year he decided that the only country allowed to use cellphones to gather consumer data was America.
Long story short after Huawei could not run a multi billion dollar business 90 days at a time which was the only way he allowed Huawei to use Google an Android: Huawei went with it's own propriatory operating system an dumped it's relationship with America Google an Android.
As a result this cellphone being after these events this cellphone is completely locked in every way.
You can install google play services (with some difficulty ) an you can install things like themes an apks.
But that's all for now unless Trump realises that America lost billions of dollars in business when it forced Huawei to walk.
Can you really see Trump the utter narcissist going to Huawei an apologising an removing 90 day business operations permissions from them?
I don't think so lol
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Huawei ended bootloader unlock support in 2018 , thats before the trade war
glad i didn't choose this device
nishan6677 said:
Huawei ended bootloader unlock support in 2018 , thats before the trade war
glad i didn't choose this device
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I understand what your saying. But my friend these cellphones are awesome stock. In my country New Zealand you can buy them with google play services preinstalled. Ram an battery management is superb. Its the perfect reliable cellphone for work.
Only thing annoying about it is a weakness in many Chinese cellphones. And that is what I call the 'micro status bar'.
Us older folks like large status bars.
If you want to play with roms kernels root etc then its not for you.
If you want the perfect relaible workphone then please buy it.
If you want a bit more power an performance the get the pro version. About 40% more powerful chip.
But yes not for tinkerers as they will get no fun with a locked bootloader.
Wow I didn't know root ended back then in 2018. Thanks for the info ?
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I understand what your saying. But my friend these cellphones are awesome stock. In my country New Zealand you can buy them with google play services preinstalled. Ram an battery management is superb. Its the perfect reliable cellphone for work.
Only thing annoying about it is a weakness in many Chinese cellphones. And that is what I call the 'micro status bar'.
Us older folks like large status bars.
If you want to play with roms kernels root etc then its not for you.
If you want the perfect relaible workphone then please buy it.
If you want a bit more power an performance the get the pro version. About 40% more powerful chip.
But yes not for tinkerers as they will get no fun with a locked bootloader.
Wow I didn't know root ended back then in 2018. Thanks for the info ?
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Here in India, you can get the 9X Pro for around 10$-15$ more for the 6+256gb variant but the pro doesn't come with google apps whereas the regular 9X comes with it.People who have used 9X Pro had a terrible user experience as some apps like swiggy (app like ubereats) and Uber don't work as they need google play services plus a locked bootloader is like icing on the cake.
Huawei back then in 2018 used to provide developers their phone so that they can develop custom roms ad mods.Then i don't know why they did a full 180 on the community.They also sponsered XDA developers
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Here in India, you can get the 9X Pro for around 10$-15$ more for the 6+256gb variant but the pro doesn't come with google apps whereas the regular 9X comes with it.People who have used 9X Pro had a terrible user experience as some apps like swiggy (app like ubereats) and Uber don't work as they need google play services plus a locked bootloader is like icing on the cake.
Huawei back then in 2018 used to provide developers their phone so that they can develop custom roms ad mods.Then i don't know why they did a full 180 on the community.They also sponsered XDA developers
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It has to be because of Trump. I very much hope he is voted out in 2020 by americans before he starts a war. He has attacked Huawei or been part of 3 attacks on them in the last 2 years that I know of. Accuses them of all kinds of crazy things.
I am feeling the loss of privilages developers used to have with Huawei like the ones you mentioned.
We can only wish for a brighter future my friend.
Thanks for the clarification of the 9x an 9x pro.
Why should a cellphone company cooperate with developers in a country with a leader bent on destroying them?
Or it could be by demand of the Chinese government?
Time will tell I guess?
Late 2018
nishan6677 said:
Huawei ended bootloader unlock support in 2018 , thats before the trade war
glad i didn't choose this device
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Huawei is not stupid. They saw the writing on the wall. They knew that Trump was shutting them out. While I disagree with their decision. It is understandable considering Trump's actions. I have owned a mate 9 for three years. Never felt the need to root it. At least while the themes app was still working.
Unfourtanley, even that is dead now. Yes, I understand that XDA is all about OWNING your phone. When I look at the specs of this phone and the price. God, I wish we still had Honor as competition to other brands here in the US. Other brands with similar specs start at 500 or more...Sorry, Bit I miss the competitive pricing they once brought to the market.
True that, but those expensive Samsungs have been locked down for years,and so-called "Flagship killers" like Oneplus , have become Flag ships themselves, i was the list for one of the first One plus fones it was awesone, but theyve gotten like the rest of em , $600+. , i dont really need to unlock this phone, anymore than i need to unlock my $80,000 Raptor or my $35000 Harley, it works and it keeps working, good enough