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hacking out the account balance / transaction notification

Hi all,
This is a cool phone and all, but i'm on the verge of returning it because of one completely ridiculous feature: I'm a using Cingular in the US and after any transaction, be it making a call or receiving a text message, I get a notification on the phone letting me know how much it cost and what my account balance is. This would just be a minor irritation if it weren't for the fact that when it does this, it plays the 'notify' sound, at near to full volume, regardless of any of the phone's sound settings.
This essentially makes the phone useless for me a good portion of the time as the only way to shut it up during a meeting or whatever is to power it down completely.
I've tried disabling every windows sound setting i could find, putting it on silent, vibrate, whatever, that notification (appears as a bubble next to the connection strength icon with the heading "Phone") will always play, always full volume. In desperation i tried deleting notify.wav from \Windows through activesync and total commander, but it's write protected and you can't change its attributes. Cingular themselves call it a feature of their prepaid plan and can't disable it despite my railing.
Anyway, if anyone has any ideas that I can use to disable this stupid "feature", registry or otherwise, I'd LOVE to hear it.

Threaten Cingular saying that you let the whole world know that they are not willing to work with customers under any circumstances after the money is in their hands because of your simple request to have them remove a simple unwanted feature.
There are 2 reasons I say this:
1) Since "Cingular themselves call it a feature of their prepaid plan" it will happen regardless of any phone you use from them.
2) PERSONAL EXPERIENCE
(It may not go your way as seen in reason 2 - but at the same time after seeing reason 2 would you buy a motorcycle from that company that resides in Milwaukee WI. or recommend that anybody else you know do the same? )

Well I thought about that, but from cingular it's just a clunky product and second rate customer service, which, you know, happens.. The fact that I can't control the sounds my phone makes is a little more ridiculous. It basically doesn't have a silent mode, and should. So that's what I'm focussing on.

zwitterion said:
it plays the 'notify' sound, at near to full volume, regardless of any of the phone's sound settings.
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Once again, this is not the fault of the phone but Cingular overriding the settings in their "feature of their prepaid plan".
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When speaking to them about this do it in a polite mild tone manner.
Here is what I would do:
I would call customer service and ask to speak with their supervisor.
When that person gets on the phone, ask for their supervisor.
Repeat process as many times until you can get no further - each person will be more reluctant to bump you up.
Once you get the highest person you can speak with, they will be more willing to listen to your issues because it has reached them.
Focus on their inability to remove unnecessary features - that cause disruptions during important meetings because of a SMS sent - at the customer's request & poor customer service (that is reason why you wanted to speak with the highest person possible.)
Do not focus on the phone itself because it will happen on all their phones.
Also tell them that you have plenty of friends that are not happy with their current provider and are asking everybody about their provider & calling plans (leave it at that - that is making a threat towards them without actually saying it - let them think it).
If nothing gets resolved, then revert to STEP 2 in my previous post.

Thanks for the advice longhair, I might get to the point of doing that. Right now though I'm more interested in the phone itself - Cingular after all just broadcast crap over the air - it's the phone's decision what to do with those signals, and right now that decision is "torpedo useability with an intrusive and unmodifiable notification noise". I write software, i'm pretty sure that somewhere in this little brick of transistors & code is a way to make for a real silent mode, I just need to figure out how.

zwitterion said:
- Cingular after all just broadcast crap over the air - it's the phone's decision what to do with those signals, and right now that decision is "torpedo useability with an intrusive and unmodifiable notification noise.
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By what you are describing, the phone itself is not the problem but the provider - Cingular in this case.
I am using T-Mobile with the same phone and the service is much better than I had with Orange (Cingular's name out here).
Good luck and keep us updated

sorry i can't help with the sound issues - sounds rubbish! ... but you could try putting your phone into flight mode when in meetings etc to save you fully resetting it!! at least until you find a solution to the problem... stick with it!

I used ActiveSync to explore to \windows under 'My Device' and copied notify.wav to my desktop. I then used an audio editor to make it silent and copied it back.
Now when I get the notifications it still plays the notify.wav but it is silent. You could change it to any sound you wanted. The reason you couldn't delete it was that it was read-only.
I didn't try deleting the file itself but I would guess it would work. If not just replace it with a silent wav file...

Yeah that's what I ended up doing. Well actually I created an empty.wav, copied it to the phone, searched the registry for the ref to the notify sound, changed it to point to empty.wav and bob was my uncle.. I had trouble overwriting notify.wav itself due to permissions.

Can anyone post the key to edit to get rid of the notify.wav sound? I have a Cingular ipaq hw6515 and if I edit the only key that has the notify.wav value I still get the same anoying sound. The file is protected by windows, so I cant delete or edit it to make it silent. I just called Cingular and they say its a feature and there is no way to turn it off.....Thanks

i THINK the key was 'InCallBuzz' from memory but I don't remember where it was.

Humm, I had changed it and it didnt do anything. I will delete some of the keys to see whats gonna happen. Im crossing my fingers.... thanks for the tip anyway

didnt do anything, even after a soft reboot.... must be a Cingular custom setting....

keep in mind that if you change the InCallBuzz.Sound key to something completely bogus (or delete it), your phone will play some default sound anyway. That's why I had to change it to 'empty.wav' and make sure there was an empty.wav on the phone.

Dudes, thanks for all your help. I went back to XP rather than Vista, and the XP explorer allowed me to change the notify.wav file. Now I have a silent file instead of the original and it works perfectly.
I guess Vista is less permissive than XP.
Again, thanks for all your help.

Interesting that Vista turned out to be the difference...
For those without access to XP, I wrote an installer cab to do the replace.
It should replace the notify.wav with a silent one then ask you to reboot the device. I tested it out on my HTC Wizard and it works. Really the only work it is doing is copying one file so it should just work but you never know...
-jalex9

Does anyone know of any register hack to remove the notification balloon as well?

Suppressing the notification message
See my post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2248890
-Kevin

Something is not right ... !!!
I have the same phone, and the same service, and the same bloody horrible notification messages everytime I so much as look at my handset - it tells me that did not cost anything and my balance is ...
However, something is not right with your handset because I can control the volume of the notify message when it arrives - it plays at whatever volume my handset is set to.
Sorry I can't tell you why, I am not very technical, but I thought you might like to know it should not play at full volume.
As a second matter of interest, I have also been talking to Cingular about turning the bloody message thing off.

I did not have to change the notify sound to an empty wav. Just did the reg edit to kill the bubble (linked to above) and it killed the sound as well. Also, worth mentioning is the cab file (above) cannot be un-installed if you decide you want your sound back for any reason so you'd need to manually undo what it does.
I mention this because I was having trouble with something on my phone keeping my phone awake after the notification (sound & bubble) popped up. After the reg edit, the notification still gets sent to your phone and, if it's in standby, wakes it up. You just won't hear the sound or see the bubble. Without the sound, I quickly realized I did not know my phone was sitting in my pocket with the backlight on. I needed my sound back! No big deal really, but should be noted so there are no surprises.
I finally found the program keeping my phone awake after the notification was port splitter. So, I changed some settings and put back the reg edit. Now I have no balloon and no sound when the notification arrives. When Cingular sends it to my phone, it lights up full for 30 seconds then dims then goes completely dark into standby mode.
Hurray! I hated that "feature" even though I could control it's loudness by lowering the whole phone's volume. I also hated OK-ing out of the bubble all the time. Thanks sdkevin for the simple reg edit that killed two birds with one stone!

4 Hard Button Go Crazy on Android

I installed the Android OS on my phone that was found on this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5480057&postcount=7353
I updated it and everything to what he has but occasionally my hard buttons at the bottom will either stay lit or not respond at all. Or it will even go crazy as if I were sitting there spinning my finger around the middle hard button thus making it highlight everything on my menu. That also causes trouble because then it thinks that when I press the home key it decides to bring up the call log screen.
Is there anyway to disable the "iPod Scroll" on the center hard key?

Dude. You should update to the newest build. And update Rootfs and zImages.
everything is in the XDAndroid thread in this forum.

I updated to the one found here:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=104276
And my scroll wheel and hard buttons still mess up from time to time.

What device do you have? RAPH100?

Sorry I don't know the developer names but its the HTC Fuze for AT&T so it's either the RAPH100 or just the RAPH. The start up config I'm using for Droid is the RAPH config.

Its best not to touch the capacitive DPAD and scroller during boot up. (safe time is when you can see a n d r o i d or the bootscreen.) This and having the pad clean is very crucial if you don't want it going crazy.
Try cleaning it with a wet cloth/tissue and try again.
I also had a screen protector which was massively scratched which caused problems. Ever since removing it the DPAD has been working great.

dude i totally have the same problem.
i ve tried wipe it clean but no luck.
sometimes everything work great but all of a sudden the buttons go wild and start flashing. after that, nothing will bring it back to normal. maybe after a few minutes if will stop blinking, lefting one or two LEDs on, and the button is then less responsive, though still works if you place your finger on the button you want for a few seconds before pressing.
I've seen a few people complaining about this but other says its because of our own device...
However everything works normally in WM... so i guess it might be about the sensitivity or something like that.
no matter it get fixed or not, I do want a method to disable the scrolling too, and maybe the left and right buttons, because they never work even under WM...

Yeah, mine does that too. Its random, sometimes not happening for days, then all of the sudden it starts. And this is within the same boot. Very odd. BTW, I keep up on all builds, always update asap, and my pad is spotless. I can't really figure it out.

also getting the exact same problem a lot, with everything up to date, clean, and not touching on bootup. would it be difficult to implement a code where we could just disable the middle scroll wheel? thats the thing that causes the most problems, and its not really that useful anyway.

@reverendkjr
This may be off topic but, you say you leave your phone running Droid all the time? How do you not drain your battery in like 4 hours unless you leave it charging all day?
But I'm pretty sure I'm as up to date as I can be and I still get this issue.

twiggy159 said:
@reverendkjr
This may be off topic but, you say you leave your phone running Droid all the time? How do you not drain your battery in like 4 hours unless you leave it charging all day?
But I'm pretty sure I'm as up to date as I can be and I still get this issue.
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Its not off topic at all. I have been using Xandroid as my one and only OS for about a month now. I do charge it quite often, and I leave it on my desk at work on a charger. I also charge it at night as I sleep. I start off the day with 100% and can go 6 or so hours without issue. I continuously get 3-4 days in a row without a reboot or a failure. I find that it has become a suitable alternative to Winmo. The difficulty that I have is that there are primary functions which I miss a bit (camera mostly). But I feel that in order for me to fully understand and appreciate this, and to be able to contribute as a quasi beta tester, I must be willing to spend as much time with it as possible. I keep up with these forums on a regular basis , checking them sometimes 2-3 times a day. It is difficult to distinguish helpful info sometimes, since there are several versions floating around, and not everyone has the same setup & environment. I search as much as I can to find my own solutions, and for the most part, I'm relatively proud of myself. I usually only chime in when something is really bugging me, or I see something valuable that I can add to a conversation.
This issue was one that I had seen a few people talk about, and it had always been chalked up to being a dirty sensor type of thing, or someone touching the pad while it was booting. Having tried all of these solutions with no success, I had come to the determination that it was not constant, it could be ignored or dealt with, and eventually someone would fix it. It is most definitely not a "hot" item, so I never made a stink about it. Now that others have brought it forward, I decided to add my experiences.
I have loads of respect for the developers, and realize that they are not doing this for me. They are doing it for themselves, and fortunately, they share it with us. I am envious of their ability to make this project possible, and have no expectation or demands. I just take what they give us, and try to make it work for me.
Just my two sense, I'll step away from the pulpit now.

+1 for Navigation Wheel or capacitive D-pad issue
reverendkjr said:
Yeah, mine does that too. Its random, sometimes not happening for days, then all of the sudden it starts. And this is within the same boot. Very odd. BTW, I keep up on all builds, always update asap, and my pad is spotless. I can't really figure it out.
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May I appeal to the developers to move Raph110 Navigation wheel to "Not working" so further development can occur. I do not touch the wheel during boot, but it still randomly flips out. My screen is clean. I did the clean cloth thing. The Navigation wheel not only flips out going all over the place. It actually rarely works the way it should in any application.
All I really need is to turn it off or disable the Navigation wheel if at all possible. Is it necessary to load the Nav-wheel capacitive drivers or can we disable them? Would it disrupt the function of the D-pad if disabled because all I need is the D-pad.
Chime in RAPH110 guys. Would you care if the Nav-wheel was disabled, because I actually think this is what is causing the issue.
I just want to make sure that I communicate to any developers that this is not a major issue. To me, I feel as though this is the only issue that I have at all. With the build I use, I honestly have no other issue which means that the Raph110 Android end product is 99% complete. To be direct, Thank you! I feel as though you purchased me a new phone, so this is no way a complaint. It is only the last 1% quality assurance analysis. ;-)
Edit: I just re-read this thread and the common denominator is HTC Fuze or RAPH110 users are having this minor issue. RAPH100 posting are saying "Just read the thread" or "use updated packages" or "clean the screen" which I think may all work and be valid for you RAPH100 users. I can indeed say without a doubt that this does not work for RAPH110.
In order for me to stop the random D-pad/Nav-wheel random scrolling, I have to screen lock it, let it go to sleep, then it might stop. It does stop mind you, but it is quite random how I am able to stop it.

spideyngo said:
May I appeal to the developers to move Raph110 Navigation wheel to "Not working" so further development can occur. I do not touch the wheel during boot, but it still randomly flips out. My screen is clean. I did the clean cloth thing. The Navigation wheel not only flips out going all over the place. It actually rarely works the way it should in any application.
All I really need is to turn it off or disable the Navigation wheel if at all possible. Is it necessary to load the Nav-wheel capacitive drivers or can we disable them? Would it disrupt the function of the D-pad if disabled because all I need is the D-pad.
Chime in RAPH110 guys. Would you care if the Nav-wheel was disabled, because I actually think this is what is causing the issue.
I just want to make sure that I communicate to any developers that this is not a major issue. To me, I feel as though this is the only issue that I have at all. With the build I use, I honestly have no other issue which means that the Raph110 Android end product is 99% complete. To be direct, Thank you! I feel as though you purchased me a new phone, so this is no way a complaint. It is only the last 1% quality assurance analysis. ;-)
Edit: I just re-read this thread and the common denominator is HTC Fuze or RAPH110 users are having this minor issue. RAPH100 posting are saying "Just read the thread" or "use updated packages" or "clean the screen" which I think may all work and be valid for you RAPH100 users. I can indeed say without a doubt that this does not work for RAPH110.
In order for me to stop the random D-pad/Nav-wheel random scrolling, I have to screen lock it, let it go to sleep, then it might stop. It does stop mind you, but it is quite random how I am able to stop it.
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I think mine is a RAPH100... i cant take out the battery and double check... but mine is a unbranded version fron 3 australia... which i remember is raph100. and i totally have the same issue so this is not only happening on raph110 i believe.

Hey guys,
I was having the same problem in wm6.5 using many different energyroms, i disabled the scrollwheel altogether within the registry, never used it anyway. I am now getting the same problem in Android. is there is a registry parallel in android?
btw using a RAPH100 (all above fixes did not work)

devs, is there no easy way to implement a disable scroll wheel setting?? i swear that wheel will drive me crazy at times

While this could be an issue with all Raph 110's (AT&T Fuze), I think it is just a subset due to hardware problems. For me, the problem only happens occasionally and it does not only occur in xdandroid, but also in WM. There is an HTC tool (for WM) named NavDbgTool.exe that will show you what is happening with the capacitive buttons/touch area on the Raph. For me, when I have issues it lights up all over and shows touches occurring that are not occurring. I know of at least one XDA member (Captain Throwback) who was able to get a replacement phone (a Tilt2) from the insurance carrier because of this issue.
Perhaps this is a problem that eventually happens with all Raph 110's due to a hardware flaw. If that is the case, maybe enough complaints to AT&T will cause them to replace all of the devices (similar to how Sprint is replacing all their Touch Pro's due to overheating issues). In the meantime, if you have insurance, you should be able to get a replacement phone, just use the NavDbgTool.exe to document the problem in WM.
Also, due to this issue, it would be nice to have the option to disable the capacitive touch area on the Raph 110 in xdandroid (while keeping the D-pad working). I don't use it for anything now that zooming doesn't work for recent versions of Opera in WM.

I'm starting to think that this is Winmo ROM related. I noticed that since I've used the ROM that I have installed right now, the amount of times this issue has affected me has been slim to none. I am currently running the an NRG rom from june 12 with sense 2.5.
link: http://hotfile.com/dl/47992175/ccd8b44/Energy.RAPHAEL.21905.Sense2.5.Jun.12.7z.html
I'm not guaranteeing anything, but its working for me.
Maybe it has something to do with a package that is built into certain roms. I have noticed a few times where the winmo ROM i have loaded will affect Android's performance as well. The ROM that I am currently running was also what provided me with the ability to get GPS working in Android.
I hope this helps some of you.

I don't think it has anything to do with WM. For me, it only happens in Android.

firstly i have a raph100 that has this issue too, so its not just raph110
secondly, for me, this happens in wm too but a lot less frequently and seems to repair itself. It happens in android 70% of time when i boot, the 30% else happens later...
newly released zimages seem to shutdown the capacitive panel when sleeping, and this solved my problem a little bit since every time it goes crazy I can put the device in sleep then resume it...

But when it goes asleep the two buttons on the right act as back, the two on the left act as home. I think there is only one physical button on both sides, the touch figures if you are pressing back or end.
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My Phone is Possessed

The other day I took my phone out of my pocket and set it down. I watched as it unlocked itself, opened a new text message, and began typing gibberish. I could see the letters on the keyboard popping up and then moving around before settling on a letter. It got through about three gibberish words before a phone call came through and the phone began ringing.
I have had this happen before (gibberish texts sent to people) but have never caught it in the act. It seems to happen when an event is happening on the phone - either an incoming call or an alarm going off. It's like some instructions are being sent in the phone internally but are being manifested through input on the touch screen or into the Google Voice SMS app.
Anyone else see anything similar or know what might be going on?
I'm running unrooted with the latest OTA updates.

gthing said:
The other day I took my phone out of my pocket and set it down. I watched as it unlocked itself, opened a new text message, and began typing gibberish. I could see the letters on the keyboard popping up and then moving around before settling on a letter. It got through about three gibberish words before a phone call came through and the phone began ringing.
I have had this happen before (gibberish texts sent to people) but have never caught it in the act. It seems to happen when an event is happening on the phone - either an incoming call or an alarm going off. It's like some instructions are being sent in the phone internally but are being manifested through input on the touch screen or into the Google Voice SMS app.
Anyone else see anything similar or know what might be going on?
I'm running unrooted with the latest OTA updates.
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That is the most intense thing I have ever heard ever.
I'd root that baby. Maybe an Android "virus"?

jigglywiggly said:
That is the most intense thing I have ever heard ever.
I'd root that baby. Maybe an Android "virus"?
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i dont believe android phone has viruses....maybe just program errors.

Its a ghost.

campchi said:
i dont believe android phone has viruses....maybe just program errors.
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no viruses, YET!

gthing said:
The other day I took my phone out of my pocket and set it down. I watched as it unlocked itself, opened a new text message, and began typing gibberish. I could see the letters on the keyboard popping up and then moving around before settling on a letter. It got through about three gibberish words before a phone call came through and the phone began ringing.
I have had this happen before (gibberish texts sent to people) but have never caught it in the act. It seems to happen when an event is happening on the phone - either an incoming call or an alarm going off. It's like some instructions are being sent in the phone internally but are being manifested through input on the touch screen or into the Google Voice SMS app.
Anyone else see anything similar or know what might be going on?
I'm running unrooted with the latest OTA updates.
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ok, first off...
secondly, your thread title alone is tempting enough for me to post a reaction.
thirdly, maybe there's a delay in your screen touch input? or maybe someone has remote access into your evo? (this is going to make me sound dumb and ignorant, but please bear with me).. i know there are ways to get access into iphones to control them via commands through text messages. maybe that's happening with your evo?? again, i'm almost embarrassed to even be entertaining this idea since android is quite locked down in its nature, but it's the closest thing i could think of as a possible cause besides paranormal activity.
...which, in and of itself, sounds so awesome and creepy.

I had similiar things happen when using any custom rom based off the new ota..
Its something with the screen sensitivity they changed for the ppl who were having grounding issues..its the only thing I can think of..

I think I also have a paranormal situation of my own! Well maybe, but its very curious... A certain phone number/friend of mine has told me that my phone is calling him while my phone is completely idle. This has happened twice in the last 10 days or so. The first day he missed the call, the second time he was able to answer it and it was dead air. My phone was never touched; it was home alone the first time and it was streaming bluetooth music the second time. I know this sounds absurd, but unless it starts happening more frequently I guess I'll just deal with the mysteriousness of it all.

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Its a ghost.
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the ghost would have to use a hot dog for the screen to recognize him/her LOL..
i myself dont believe in ghost but thats trippy.

lol a floating hot dog typing things by its self. WTH I just laughed out loud and nearly woke my wife up. That was funny if you picture it in your head lol.

When i got my first Vogue, it would do that. Randomly resend text, send garbled text, and call people. Without any interaction whatsoever.
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That is hilarious. I would have freaked out seriously. Is your phone rooted?

My phone is not rooted and was running stock with the latest OTA. I am leaning towards the theory that it is something to do with the latest OTA which addressed the grounding issue.
I enabled a password on my phone. Last night I kept hearing these little noises, like a bug beating its wings in really quick, short durations. I was looking all over before I realized it was coming from my phone. Face down, on my nightstand, it was randomly pressing buttons on the password screen and I was hearing the short vibrations of the tactile feedback. It had done it enough that I was locked out and had to wait 30 seconds.
Something's not right in Evo land.

You definitely need an exorcists.
Since you live in UT, I am sure there lots of Mormon High Priest that can help you out.
Good luck.
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My phone is not rooted and was running stock with the latest OTA. I am leaning towards the theory that it is something to do with the latest OTA which addressed the grounding issue.
I enabled a password on my phone. Last night I kept hearing these little noises, like a bug beating its wings in really quick, short durations. I was looking all over before I realized it was coming from my phone. Face down, on my nightstand, it was randomly pressing buttons on the password screen and I was hearing the short vibrations of the tactile feedback. It had done it enough that I was locked out and had to wait 30 seconds.
Something's not right in Evo land.
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ALARM BUG - Daylight savings time!

So last night I was told 100 times to set my clocks forward for daylight savings.. I have clocks that auto sync so I didn't worry about it. At 10:00 pm last night i set my alarm for work to be 8:10 am. I go to sleep, i hear my alarm go off and when i look at the clock it says 9:10 am. **** now i am late... I double check when i set the alarm and sure enough it says 8:10 am.
This is a major bug for people who rely on their phones to keep track of time. It's evident to me that when I set the alarm, it calculates the total time between now and the time I tell it to go off and starts counting down. This is a flawed design, it should check if time has been shifted due to daylight savings by syncing with what time it is and checking if it's still on schedule. Now im pissed.

I don't think that's how it works.
I have my two work alarms (one backup) set to be on all the time. If it did count from when it was set, when would mine count from? I've had it set since Jan 29.
Also, you just assumed all would go perfectly during the first dst transition on a new smartphone platform? Why didn't you set two alarms, one an hour before just in case? I'm sure risking waking up too early would've been better.
I understand being angry, but it should be directed at yourself.

i would lean towards the above poster as well. Apple had daylight saving issues in iOS 4... where they didn't in iOS 3, so yea, given all the smartphone issues in general, i wouldn't rely on daylight savings on smartphones. i personally never use the alarm clock on my phone, i actually have an alarm clock, but to each their own.

lol, bug = user error now ? ok

sure it is a bug and it does need fixing, but in saying that you can't ultimately blame the phone. i think someone tried to sue apple in the united states for this exact same issue and having the same result as the user above (i think they got fired, though it would have probably been a history of being late, but still, they tried none the less) and that failed miserably...
EDIT: and here we go, even at present, iOS 4.3 still doesn't get it right either, so it's not just Windows Phone affected by the bug... http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-new...clock-bungles-time-change-20110314-1btim.html

With all the problems Apple had with the daylight saving, one would think that Microsoft is doing everything possible to avoid such problems.
There is absolutely not the user to blame.
I do not buy a smartphone with thousands of features to have it failing at being a mere alarm clock. It's not that the daylight saving is someting new so all the MS-staff would be caught napping

How ignorant am I, i thought daylight saving time was just a UK thing. Personally i think we all look at this issue the wrong way, if i had my way we would just leave the clicks alone. Daylight saving does nothing but mess people up.

lumpaywk said:
Daylight saving does nothing but mess people up.
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That's right, neither we need it nor does it make any sense nowadays.
But as long as it's there and we have to consider it I still want my phone to wake me up at the right time

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sure it is a bug and it does need fixing, but in saying that you can't ultimately blame the phone. i think someone tried to sue apple in the united states for this exact same issue and having the same result as the user above (i think they got fired, though it would have probably been a history of being late, but still, they tried none the less) and that failed miserably...
EDIT: and here we go, even at present, iOS 4.3 still doesn't get it right either, so it's not just Windows Phone affected by the bug... http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-new...clock-bungles-time-change-20110314-1btim.html
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nothingto do with ios. absolutely nothing. nor android, nor symbian, nor any other os.

sure haven't said:
I don't think that's how it works.
I have my two work alarms (one backup) set to be on all the time. If it did count from when it was set, when would mine count from? I've had it set since Jan 29.
Also, you just assumed all would go perfectly during the first dst transition on a new smartphone platform? Why didn't you set two alarms, one an hour before just in case? I'm sure risking waking up too early would've been better.
I understand being angry, but it should be directed at yourself.
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This also happened to me. Yes it is a new platform. But lets not forget that Microsoft is not the first producer of smart-phone software. There were many before it that have made this mistake and Microsoft should have taken all of that into account and learned from their competitors mistakes. IMHO this makes them worst than their competitors in this area of the platform.
Now here is how this is Microsoft's fault:
When you set an alarm in WP7, it asks you what time you would like to be awoken. IDK about you, but when I set a time on an alarm, I assume it is going to go off at that exact time. Upon seeing this method of setting the alarm, wouldn't you assume that if you set the alarm for 8:00AM that it would wake you up at 8:00AM?
Instead, the method Microsoft uses here should have been represented with "wake me up in X hours and X minutes." So they represented the alarms layout with the above method and coded it with this method. That's like having a Murcielago with a Geo Metro engine in it. Completely deceiving. Also, not everyone sets two alarms like you do. Some of us believe that if we pay $500 for a device that can route you from L.A. to New York, then it should have no problem waking you up. Do you have a backup vehicle also? What about a backup job? T.V?
Like the OP, I would have assumed that all would go well also.
After all, when you first powered up your device, didn't you assume that all would go well upon boot? Surely you didn't think that you would enter a boot loop, right?
Same concept with the alarm.

My wifes old 30GB brown Zune was bricked for a day by a DST error, so it could be worse.
My HTC Touch Pro 2 updated just fine as did all of my computers.
Yet another benefit of Sprint launching the HTC Arrive on 3/20 - hopefully any DST issues will be resolved by the time it rolls around again this fall.

Nissan350 said:
Instead, the method Microsoft uses here should have been represented with "wake me up in X hours and X minutes." So they represented the alarms layout with the above method and coded it with this method.
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(citation needed)
Nissan350 said:
not everyone sets two alarms like you do.
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Well then I guess not everyone is actually concerned with getting up on time.
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Do you have a backup vehicle also? What about a backup job? T.V?
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Yeah, cause those are the same as a cell phone
The guy set his alarm for 8:00am. When the phone transitioned the time change, it moved everything ahead an hour, I guess including the alarm. Like has been posted several, several times in this thread; DST issues are nothing new, and are on every platform. And I'll say it again; if he and you reallly wanted to get up on time, you would've made damn sure it happened. Blindly trusting a piece of technology without a backup is not very bright.
/how can anyone not have a backup alarm???

sure haven't said:
/how can anyone not have a backup alarm???
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Its called a wife...

Avandor said:
Its called a wife...
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Or; a wife and two dogs
Nothing like two panting huskies staring in your face to wake you up lol

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/how can anyone not have a backup alarm???
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And when the backup-alarm software is programmed by useless Microsoft-Coders and fails too?
An alarm is there to wake me up on time -no matter if it's a clock, a wife or a phone. When this alarm function doesn't work then they shouldn't have implemented it in first place. But the alarm function is there so I expect it to work.
Never had a backup-alarm for my phone since 1998 and I've never been let down until now.

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And when the backup-alarm software is programmed by useless Microsoft-Coders and fails too?
An alarm is there to wake me up on time -no matter if it's a clock, a wife or a phone. When this alarm function doesn't work then they shouldn't have implemented it in first place. But the alarm function is there so I expect it to work.
Never had a backup-alarm for my phone since 1998 and I've never been let down until now.
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Well I've yet to see it proven that that's how MS coded the alarms. I'm not saying it's not true, I'm just seeing a lot of people claiming, without anyone proving.
I didn't change my alarm, and it woke me up this morning with no problem at all.
Again, if you're that careless that you trust just one alarm on a new device to wake you up, then it's not really that important to you to get up. Either you hate your job or had a bad court date to attend to or whatever, either way, you didn't want to get up that badly.

Common problem on all mobile OSs.
Solution ; don't depend on it.

Still, something as trivial as an alarm should work.

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Well then I guess not everyone is actually concerned with getting up on time.
Yeah, cause those are the same as a cell phone
The guy set his alarm for 8:00am. When the phone transitioned the time change, it moved everything ahead an hour, I guess including the alarm. Like has been posted several, several times in this thread; DST issues are nothing new, and are on every platform. And I'll say it again; if he and you reallly wanted to get up on time, you would've made damn sure it happened. Blindly trusting a piece of technology without a backup is not very bright.
/how can anyone not have a backup alarm???
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I don't get it either. Been using the same battery operated alarm clock with temp gauge (needed it for the field in the army), since about 2000. Gets new batteries about once a year. I don't trust anything with software to work 100% of the time.

2 mango niggles - Otherwise perfect

Other than these 2 niggles, I gotta say my HD7 with Mango is near perfect...
As I said, niggles... Not complaints or faults...
1. To fully exit an app you hit the back button. To keep it live and available to be jumped back into you hit the home key... Only issue? If you want to fully exit an app, but the back key in the app has another fuction like web browsing, you sometimes have to hit the back key 10+ times to fully exit...
2. When the home screen is fully scrolled to the bottom, the people live tiles pictures resets blank...

Oh, wow, because you sure have to freaking close the apps all the time. Or people will see your midgets porn?
I have several flaws to blame. But making a topic cursing the OS because you need to close the apps and its dificult to press the back button, and worse, the "People live tile resets blank". Seriously?! Does that bother you so bad?

The guy is entitled to post his opinions

There's really no need to exit a program fully unless it's actually a program that runs in the background (which will use your battery correct?). Else, just leave the browser.
If you're really going to be anal about exiting the browser, just go the browser tabs and hit the X. Now if you hit back it'll exit...
Like he said
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Not complaints or faults...
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Just stuff that bothers him, we all have something...

Having to press back to close apps does annoy me a bit. I know i technically don't need to but personally I just like having a clean multi task menu.
OCD ? maybe... just personal preference and the guy and myself are entitled to opinions. No need to get so angry about it.

So far...I've yet to even bother closing the application.
I just keep pressing the HOME key and I rarely get any problems.
By the way, how do you get rid of the Music Menu once you've started it? For example, when I press the volume up, I see the music track there with pause, play, etc. I don't see the music app running in the multi-task menu.
Anyway to exit out of that?

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I have several flaws to blame. But making a topic cursing the OS because you need to close the apps and its dificult to press the back button, and worse, the "People live tile resets blank". Seriously?! Does that bother you so bad?
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No need to get so angry about it.
I find topics like this helpful for me making a decision of when is the right time to return to WP7. It may not be a bug (the back button) but it's good for me to know what to expect shoudl I return.
I wouldn't have thought having the browser left open would be an issue but thanks for highlighting the porn, that might cause an issue.

Things that really niggle with mango.
1. Pressing the unlock button and there being a delayed animation for alerts and the date to come up, this was not present in nodo and really annoys me.
2. The jump tiles for apps. I think it looks really ugly, maybe if they were filled in tiles rather then the outlines it my be more aesthetically. Personaly i liked the serach system in symbian s60 5th where it was a jump to but the jump to would dynamicly change as you spelt a name out.

I have a few annoyances.
1.) Can't navigate to previously opened pages after closing IE. The back button turns into closing the app instead of previous page.
2.) Now this one is HUGE for me. All number fields should show up in the predictive text or be flagged as textable. I have multiple contacts who have work cell phone's as well and multiple businesses where the number is a cellphone. It's extremely annoying when I start to type the name and i get no results.
Another example is with voice commands "Text Frank Smith" i get no option to text the Work cell phone even though our entire conversation thread is from his work number and there has never been a text sent or received from his Mobile number.
Other business contact with the Work number only have no option to text the contact. I either have to hit the plus sign and scroll down or go to the contact and scroll left to history and click one of the previous text's.

mikeeam said:
Oh, wow, because you sure have to freaking close the apps all the time. Or people will see your midgets porn?
I have several flaws to blame. But making a topic cursing the OS because you need to close the apps and its dificult to press the back button, and worse, the "People live tile resets blank". Seriously?! Does that bother you so bad?
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Um. You know... there is this thing called Prozac. It worked wonders for me!
If you look at the topic: 2 mango niggles - Otherwise perfect. That hardly sound like a scathing criticism. Maybe you are being a little defensive?
Mango does have issues, but remember people use phones differently and never come across certain useability issues.

Yeah, it can bother, but would you create a topic to speak how bad is Mango because it resets the People Tile? I noticed it too, but it make your experience worse?
Apps in background DO NOT consume your battery. It's not in background in first place. It is "frozen" in memory. So there is no need to close (using the back button) the apps. Unless you really want to close for whatever reason.
Something that really bothers: not resuming app when opening toast notification. You just cant chat with someone else if not by MSN or Facebook, because it turns to be frustrating.
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So far...I've yet to even bother closing the application.
I just keep pressing the HOME key and I rarely get any problems.
By the way, how do you get rid of the Music Menu once you've started it? For example, when I press the volume up, I see the music track there with pause, play, etc. I don't see the music app running in the multi-task menu.
Anyway to exit out of that?
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Dont not either, I forgot and it was gone after a while.
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I have a few annoyances.
1.) Can't navigate to previously opened pages after closing IE. The back button turns into closing the app instead of previous page.
2.) Now this one is HUGE for me. All number fields should show up in the predictive text or be flagged as textable. I have multiple contacts who have work cell phone's as well and multiple businesses where the number is a cellphone. It's extremely annoying when I start to type the name and i get no results.
Another example is with voice commands "Text Frank Smith" i get no option to text the Work cell phone even though our entire conversation thread is from his work number and there has never been a text sent or received from his Mobile number.
Other business contact with the Work number only have no option to text the contact. I either have to hit the plus sign and scroll down or go to the contact and scroll left to history and click one of the previous text's.
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To MS, it's non sense to people have two cell phones. This is really annoying, but of course it's not worse than the cursed people live tile.

mikeeam said:
But making a topic cursing the OS because you need to close the apps and its dificult to press the back button, and worse, the "People live tile resets blank". Seriously?! Does that bother you so bad?
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Sorry if it looks like I'm cursing the OS, but I'm not... I love it and have been a 'died in the wool' windows mobile man since day one... But I'm a virgo and if I painted a house to perfection, but missed one square inch, I would be able to not focus on that one tiny bit... It's just me...
Freypal said:
Having to press back to close apps does annoy me a bit. I know i technically don't need to but personally I just like having a clean multi task menu.
OCD ? maybe... just personal preference and the guy and myself are entitled to opinions. No need to get so angry about it.
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That's me for sure... I only leave something available to jump back to if I know I'm going to be needing it in that same day, else, I fully exit...
Perhaps I should experiment one day and not close a thing and just try and get comfortable with it...

mikeeam said:
Apps in background DO NOT consume your battery. It's not in background in first place. It is "frozen" in memory. So there is no need to close (using the back button) the apps. Unless you really want to close for whatever reason.
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There is a very valid reason to want to close apps using the back button. If you don't close them that way, they consume one of the (arbitrarily limited) 5 cards in the app switcher. If an app is one that you know you won't need to go back to any time soon, it makes no sense to waste a card on it, especially since Microsoft decided that we didn't need the ability to remove cards from the switcher.

leftspeaker2000 said:
Things that really niggle with mango.
1. Pressing the unlock button and there being a delayed animation for alerts and the date to come up, this was not present in nodo and really annoys me.
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When I updated to Mango, I had this problem. For another reason I hard-reset my phone and this bug has disappeared now for me.
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argentocruz said:
Sorry if it looks like I'm cursing the OS, but I'm not... I love it and have been a 'died in the wool' windows mobile man since day one... But I'm a virgo and if I painted a house to perfection, but missed one square inch, I would be able to not focus on that one tiny bit... It's just me...
That's me for sure... I only leave something available to jump back to if I know I'm going to be needing it in that same day, else, I fully exit...
Perhaps I should experiment one day and not close a thing and just try and get comfortable with it...
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Exactly that. If there are 2 or 3 apps i'm using at once i like to have a clean multi-task card to switch between. Once i'm done i close them all.

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Yeah, it can bother, but would you create a topic to speak how bad is Mango because it resets the People Tile? I noticed it too, but it make your experience worse?
Apps in background DO NOT consume your battery. It's not in background in first place. It is "frozen" in memory. So there is no need to close (using the back button) the apps. Unless you really want to close for whatever reason.
Something that really bothers: not resuming app when opening toast notification. You just cant chat with someone else if not by MSN or Facebook, because it turns to be frustrating.
Dont not either, I forgot and it was gone after a while.
To MS, it's non sense to people have two cell phones. This is really annoying, but of course it's not worse than the cursed people live tile.
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I created a feature suggestion http://windowsphone.uservoice.com/f...344390-work-number-should-be-a-textable-field

PoisonWolf said:
So far...I've yet to even bother closing the application.
I just keep pressing the HOME key and I rarely get any problems.
By the way, how do you get rid of the Music Menu once you've started it? For example, when I press the volume up, I see the music track there with pause, play, etc. I don't see the music app running in the multi-task menu.
Anyway to exit out of that?
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Play a video, and back-out of the player. Then the player controls are gone from the screen when you press volume keys.