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Current state of XDA

tl;dr: It's my rant over what xda is today.
I've been a user of this site for a some time now (well not that long either but since winmo 5.0 days). A lot of things i know today are solely due to XDA. It was a fantastic place to meet helpful and knowledgeable people and learn new things then.
However, as of late, XDA is attracting a lot of average joe(s) who would normally be busy in their life but come here to get the most out of their phones. As a result this site has been turned into something full of senseless/unecessary posts. Posts which are full of ETA/feature demands and what not (I've even read people having personal discussions in a kernel thread and then flame on people who report them though I am not aware of what followed that). Most users demand something from their own point of view instead of looking at the collective impact of a certain feature. As of recently, i wanted to look at some code that had been published here on xda, and as usual i did a forum search.. Result ? I was bombarded with enough senseless crap to make me quit my attempts and start from scratch. Maybe my search terms would have been a bit off but considering the amount of such unhelpful posts makes me think about the usefulness of this site today compared to the irc chat rooms which are still a bit less frequented by such people.
I am watching as developers that have contributed so much to this site be treated with little or no respect until they don't even want to be a part of XDA anymore. I am seeing new members being scared off by rude "senior" members. Overall, more and more people are wanting to distance themselves from XDA, Though I totally understand how newbs get on the nerves asking stuff repeatedly, not searching the forums before posting, creating posts in the wrong forum, asking for eta, development requests etc and even more so since i compiled my first android rom and decided i should share it here. I personally see this stemming from the fact that users are expecting far too much. Everyone feels entitled to everything, on their own terms instead of being happy with what they have. Another part of the story is that these users are the ones who help us find bugs and issues in our code but sadly the number of such users is quite small compared to "XYZ NOT WORKING, FIX IT. INCLUDE ABC IN THIS". There is much more I could say, but I think the main points are made and you can fill in the blanks. I'm sure XDA is not alone, here is a true gem i found on google plus from one of the gimp developers.
Well, let me give you a perspective of a GIMP team member.
All the great free end-user software projects I can think of became great, because developers were communicating to users who thought along the same lines.
And it's the best way to work on a project, because you keep interacting with people and improving your work, while still belonging to yourself.
What happens when you let democracy in? Ugly mess. Suddenly people start treating you like you owe to them and should bow to their wishes.
— Hey developer, I used to use X application on Windows. I want the Y feature to be like in that app. What do you mean, it's supposed to work differently? Well, make it an option, you idiot.
— Hey developer, there is this app for Mac that's a bit like your app, except it's for a different target group, different use cases and different task applications. But I want one of its tools implemented verbatim anyway. And I want it now. Not going to? Well, I'm a user, and you should be listening to me!
That's just bull****. Please keep your democracy to yourself.
If you want some free software to change, learn to encourage, learn to make well-fitted proposals that make sense, learn to understand design decisions, but also learn to accept that the developer is the one who has the final saying, because (s)he's the one who's responsible, not you.
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Here's an anonymous quote from one of such incidents, On one of a quite famous software threads here, the developer was inactive or rather busy with other projects and "life" (Even though he has been keeping up to date via twitter with pics of the update and is of course present on irc channels). And as we expected there were ETA demands, and then this
Someone must be dumb to believe those 2 words.
I say, it will not be released.. it's been +/- than 2 years now.. i got my screen shattered and usb broken.. keep waiting guys
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We can certainly not blame the site admins or the mods, though i do hope to see better management for the development sub-forums (even after iron fist). I hope to see XDA become a community again which it once was, where users help one another, don't expect everything to be tailored to them specifically, and share a bit of both gratitude and empathy.
<Insert non-native English speaker disclaimer here for the grammar Nazis>

I haven't been a member here until recently, but i do appreciate and understand what you're saying. It's been an issue lately. But in fairness to the mods (here in ot and my home forum) they have been very responsive in terms of identifying those people who abuse their, shall we say, democracy. The mods have been extremely helpful and easily accessible imho. I just wish other new members like me understand what xda is about and adapt to it. As we all know, veteran members and admins/mods can only do so much...
Please give credit where credit is due..
If you can't even search how can I help you??

And I still don't understand why people still open these kinds of threads. Opening a thread and ranting over everything that's wrong with xda is just pointless. It's a public forum, it's bound to happen. That's just my stand. If Admins really wanted to fix this problem, then they'd be banning like crazy, and making the forum private, but they can't do that can they?
Not trolling, just my opinion on the issue.
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trell959 said:
And I still don't understand why people still open these kinds of threads. Opening a thread and ranting over everything that's wrong with xda is just pointless. It's a public forum, it's bound to happen. That's just my stand.
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The purpose of this thread is to express my opinion just like your post does regarding such threads, this is what off topic is for, "everything else". I totally understand you but since a last few days i was in the same state of leaving or becoming inactive here solely due to such incidents and thought even if i do leave, i should leave a nice explanation what drove me to do that (though i seem to have changed my mind). Your opinion is always welcome.

Rick_1995 said:
The purpose of this thread is to express my opinion just like your post does regarding such threads, this is what off topic is for, "everything else". I totally understand you but since a last few days i was in the same state of leaving or becoming inactive here solely due to such incidents and thought even if i do leave, i should leave a nice explanation what drove me to do that (though i seem to have changed my mind). Your opinion is always welcome.
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I completely understand, I was just giving my opinion.
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Rick_1995 said:
The purpose of this thread is to express my opinion just like your post does regarding such threads, this is what off topic is for, "everything else". I totally understand you but since a last few days i was in the same state of leaving or becoming inactive here solely due to such incidents and thought even if i do leave, i should leave a nice explanation what drove me to do that (though i seem to have changed my mind). Your opinion is always welcome.
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Well, technically this should go in "about xdadevelopers" so expect posts that you don't like here. This is off topic. It's what we do here
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The state of XDA is a reflection of the average android user. As adoption rates grow there will only be more average Joes coming here for help. And they want help now dammit!

I completely agree... Now registration should be on invite only basis
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Babydoll25 said:
Well, technically this should go in "about xdadevelopers" so expect posts that you don't like here. This is off topic. It's what we do here
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Hmm, "Anything not related to the phones" and off-topic looked more tempting than "about xda-developers" at first glance, though i agree i might have failed here.

Babydoll25 said:
Well, technically this should go in "about xdadevelopers" so expect posts that you don't like here. This is off topic. It's what we do here
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Amen.
Now for my opinion on it all
Granted I haven't been on this site very long at all, but I'd been lurking and reading tons on here from early 2010-ish.
Whilst I agree with your point that this may not be the site it used to be, that's also a good thing.
It's showing progression and moving forward.
People who come to this site simply looking to make their phone "cool" and make it do what there friends' phones can't do, annoy each and every one of us at times. That's just something that we've got to deal with.
It's not as if this is the only site where people act like that. It's all based on the mentality of people in general.
There are those, who like us, don't just want to make our devices better, but want to actually learn how it's all done and what makes android, as a whole, work.
But there will always be those who don't care about the journey, as they just want to reach the destination.
And even though there are a ton of the latter around, creating a thread to say that the site's gone downhill because of these people, won't help in the slightest. And considering leaving this site just because of a few dicks? Leave them to it. They'll soon be shown the door if they consistently can't stick to the forum rules.
There's no sense in feeling like you have to leave or others have had to leave because of these people.
Obviously I'm not saying you can't voice your opinion, but there are better ways of doing it to be honest.
But having said that, I respect your opinion

As this thread is "about xda developers", as mentioned above that would be the correct forum for this discussion so I'll move it there.

I completely agree with the Op...
Haven't been around long, but was always fascinated with technology and had a certain respect for those who made possible the things I thought wouldn't be possibly done...
I've heard plenty about the good ole XDA, of how devs used to work with harmony, how they worked because THEY themselves wanted to...and not because of "helppp, my wifi broke, plz fix asap"...
But my bad luck, I wasn't there to witness any of it...
Well the mods and admins know of this issue, and there's only so much one could do to solve it...
Apart from making XDA invite only, and GTFO'ing every noob already present, there seems to be no practical reason that I can think of...
There have been other rather innovative attempts at tackling this noob problem; (as that's what seems to be the root cause of this problem);
Some say we should raise the 10 post limit, some say we put tests/checks to make sure new users understand the purpose of XDA, some say we do aptitude tests to classify users as "devs" and "non devs" and some say to educate everyone already present and yet to come...
I say that we could all of this and still be left wondering what possibly could be done...
You see, part of this problem comes from human nature...
Everyone wants the most utility from the least effort...
They want the best, but aren't ready to give their best...
As smartphones become more and more common & more and more "smart", the people get lazier and dumber...
There is no possible humane approach to making people work for their own self...
You could help them out, point them in the right direction...but for every one person that you help out, there'd be 10 standing with the same problem expecting a personalized response...
I frankly found no solution to end this "I'm your boss, answer me coz you owe me" behaviour...
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Rick_1995 said:
tl;dr: It's my rant over what xda is today.
I've been a user of this site for a some time now (well not that long either but since winmo 5.0 days). A lot of things i know today are solely due to XDA. It was a fantastic place to meet helpful and knowledgeable people and learn new things then.
However, as of late, XDA is attracting a lot of average joe(s) who would normally be busy in their life but come here to get the most out of their phones. As a result this site has been turned into something full of senseless/unecessary posts. Posts which are full of ETA/feature demands and what not (I've even read people having personal discussions in a kernel thread and then flame on people who report them though I am not aware of what followed that). Most users demand something from their own point of view instead of looking at the collective impact of a certain feature. As of recently, i wanted to look at some code that had been published here on xda, and as usual i did a forum search.. Result ? I was bombarded with enough senseless crap to make me quit my attempts and start from scratch. Maybe my search terms would have been a bit off but considering the amount of such unhelpful posts makes me think about the usefulness of this site today compared to the irc chat rooms which are still a bit less frequented by such people.
I am watching as developers that have contributed so much to this site be treated with little or no respect until they don't even want to be a part of XDA anymore. I am seeing new members being scared off by rude "senior" members. Overall, more and more people are wanting to distance themselves from XDA, Though I totally understand how newbs get on the nerves asking stuff repeatedly, not searching the forums before posting, creating posts in the wrong forum, asking for eta, development requests etc and even more so since i compiled my first android rom and decided i should share it here. I personally see this stemming from the fact that users are expecting far too much. Everyone feels entitled to everything, on their own terms instead of being happy with what they have. Another part of the story is that these users are the ones who help us find bugs and issues in our code but sadly the number of such users is quite small compared to "XYZ NOT WORKING, FIX IT. INCLUDE ABC IN THIS". There is much more I could say, but I think the main points are made and you can fill in the blanks. I'm sure XDA is not alone, here is a true gem i found on google plus from one of the gimp developers.
Here's an anonymous quote from one of such incidents, On one of a quite famous software threads here, the developer was inactive or rather busy with other projects and "life" (Even though he has been keeping up to date via twitter with pics of the update and is of course present on irc channels). And as we expected there were ETA demands, and then this
We can certainly not blame the site admins or the mods, though i do hope to see better management for the development sub-forums (even after iron fist). I hope to see XDA become a community again which it once was, where users help one another, don't expect everything to be tailored to them specifically, and share a bit of both gratitude and empathy.
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I couldn't agree with you enough. I'm absolutely sick of all the hate mail that I get saying stuff like "xyz doesn't work u suck" and "hurry up and add abc to this!".
Seriously, many of the members here are complete a$$e$ that don't give a crap about the work devs do and just want the best for their phone. And if something doesnt work or a feature is not added yet, they start complaining and flaming devs. One of the great dev teams for my phone actually stopped development because of all the hate mail and ungrateful members who complained about their work. On Twitter a person even told the team "you should be embarrassed as dev team" when he asked a question that was answered at least 15 times!
I really hope that the spirit of collaborating and learning comes back to xda....
Sent from my HTC One S using Tapatalk 2

a.cid said:
I frankly found no solution to end this "I'm your boss, answer me coz you owe me" behaviour...
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I wonder why doesn't the thread owner get (limited) moderator rights in his own thread, that would make the job easy at least for development forums, In some low activity devices, we hardly see a mod ever come to clean things up so this would be lot helpful and since this power is limited to development sub forums, it probably won't be abused that much by the new guys hopefully, though i haven't thought of any draw backs in this model but it sure does sound good.

Rick_1995 said:
I wonder why doesn't the thread owner get (limited) moderator rights in his own thread, that would make the job easy at least for development forums, In some low activity devices, we hardly see a mod ever come to clean things up so this would be lot helpful and since this power is limited to development sub forums, it probably won't be abused that much by the new guys hopefully, though i haven't thought of any draw backs in this model but it sure does sound good.
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The mods have said before, and I don't think that their answer will change...mod rights shall not be given to any user, whether limited or unlimited...
Rd's get rights to close their own threads, while Rc's have such rights only in Rc Chat, and not anywhere else...
Idk about Rd's, but they have turned down our request for the same...
If you need thread maintainence/cleanup, the only option is to report a post, and request cleanup...
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Rick_1995 said:
I wonder why doesn't the thread owner get (limited) moderator rights in his own thread, that would make the job easy at least for development forums, In some low activity devices, we hardly see a mod ever come to clean things up so this would be lot helpful and since this power is limited to development sub forums, it probably won't be abused that much by the new guys hopefully, though i haven't thought of any draw backs in this model but it sure does sound good.
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This is what the report button is for. If you see something anywhere on the site that you think needs attention, hit that button! Please let us know. We can't be everywhere. The Forum Specific Mod that's assigned to that forum will respond. That's what we're here for, but you guys, you're our eyes, too. If we all work together we can get those little fires under control to prevent the big forest fire
I do know that the report function has been removed from the app. In that case, it takes only moments to switch to the web view and use the report function from there. It wasn't my decision to remove that function, however, a new system is being developed for the app and the functionality will be restored with a future version.

reinbeau said:
This is what the report button is for. If you see something anywhere on the site that you think needs attention, hit that button! Please let us know. We can't be everywhere. The Forum Specific Mod that's assigned to that forum will respond. That's what we're here for, but you guys, you're our eyes, too. If we all work together we can get those little fires under control to prevent the big forest fire
I do know that the report function has been removed from the app. In that case, it takes only moments to switch to the web view and use the report function from there. It wasn't my decision to remove that function, however, a new system is being developed for the app and the functionality will be restored with a future version.
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Yes, The report button is indeed helpful but in low activity forums mods are very infrequent, and in high activity forums, it's near to impossible for them to clean threads also reporting multiple posts in a single thread is a tedious issue.

Rick_1995 said:
Yes, The report button is indeed helpful but in low activity forums mods are very infrequent, and in high activity forums, it's near to impossible for them to clean threads also reporting multiple posts in a single thread is a tedious issue.
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This shouldn't be the case, all reports should be actioned in a timely manner irrespective of the forums activity level. If you feel a report has gone unactioned for too long (give us at least 24-48hrs ) then either contact the appropriate forum moderator directly or a senior.
As for reporting multiple posts, to put it simply, don't. Just report and mention that some cleaning may be required.
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....

I'm agreeing with all whats posted here. And it's driving me crazy too.
I hope I made a statement in my forum (see here).
I hope there will come a solution for this "problem" as forums are getting filled with crap a lot.
Reporting isn't an option, useless posts are created faster then the speed of sound

Henry_01 said:
I'm agreeing with all whats posted here. And it's driving me crazy too.
I hope I made a statement in my forum (see here).
I hope there will come a solution for this "problem" as forums are getting filled with crap a lot.
Reporting isn't an option, useless posts are created faster then the speed of sound
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I can assure you, reporting posts IS the answer. Well, part of it anyway....
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Petition to Administarator and Moderators - RATS RACE

Dear Moderators,
Please talk with all devs regarding last Mike's post in thread - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1562603
Below You can find post:
" Just to be clear - my last post was not about users but about competition atmosphere, not sharing, hiding RUUs for even final, release-keys RUUs. If devs are hiding something that is tagged as "final" and "release-keys" and it will be published by htc any day, that means we are in a rats race. I'm against not sharing of "test-keys" software, but hiding "release-keys" one is way too much I can stand. No names here, no offence to anyone, no direct speech to anyone. xda rules allows that behavior so it's legal.
This game is not fair play."
I fully agree with him. Now it's lika RATS RACE

I agree that the hiding of release keys and final builds is unfair. They're from HTC and thus should be available to everyone, allowing the community to grow and for the modding community to prosper. The fact that such items of high importance are hidden from other developers (when they should be available to everyone) is deplorable.
[Off-topic: Still not sure why the thread needed to be closed. Does this mean ARHD is dead on the One X, or is it closed to simply cease discussion within the thread? If ARHD is dead, what's a worthy equivalent?]

Absolutely elmo, it's back to stock for me if Mike stops developing. In fact I've had enough of xda. On the whole it's a helpful community but there is way too much bickering going on, are we not adults here?
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*elmo* said:
Dear Moderators,
Please talk with all devs regarding last Mike's post in thread - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1562603
Below You can find post:
" Just to be clear - my last post was not about users but about competition atmosphere, not sharing, hiding RUUs for even final, release-keys RUUs. If devs are hiding something that is tagged as "final" and "release-keys" and it will be published by htc any day, that means we are in a rats race. I'm against not sharing of "test-keys" software, but hiding "release-keys" one is way too much I can stand. No names here, no offence to anyone, no direct speech to anyone. xda rules allows that behavior so it's legal.
This game is not fair play."
I fully agree with him. Now it's lika RATS RACE
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It's a shame, the community would be nothing without the sharing of files, ideas and knowledge.
But although unfair it is though, the individuals prerogative.
I just feel it would be a shame if everyone acted acting like this as nothing would ever be achieved or at the very least things would get slowed down for all. Who cares who's first? Ultimately we all choose which developers ROMs, MODS, etc etc we end up using anyhow.
Very little to being first in the long run but maybe a little Kudos.

Couldn't agree more with y'all.

Can someone clear up whats going on?
Is mike stopping his development?

Wilks3y said:
Can someone clear up whats going on?
Is mike stopping his development?
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For HOX possibly yes.
I quote...
If one x developement forum will still continue to be like it is now there will be no more arhd for one x. Sorry to say that, i have to face unfair and agressive competition in my real life, not going to waste my nerves in virtual world too
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Plus his ARHD thread has been closed :crying:
All of that work on that thread and good people helping others and some selfish lot out there decide that they want to monopolize something that should be given away readily to help the community!
(Shouldn't be saying this) Want to know who it was that denied Mike the data he needs, so that we can boycott that thread and plead with him to help Mike out)

OniV2 said:
[Off-topic: Still not sure why the thread needed to be closed. Does this mean ARHD is dead on the One X, or is it closed to simply cease discussion within the thread? If ARHD is dead, what's a worthy equivalent?]
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Too bad Mike1986 just leaves all ARHD users behind like this!
He's not reliable to me anymore...This is not a fight to be fought by putting the users in the frontline.
The king is dead. Long live the king! Time to move on.
So, what's the next best thing available if it's a HOX Sense-rom?

I understand his frustration to be honest, although in this case I don't see who he is referring to, not seen the final JB WWE RUU anywhere yet.
The minute it appears on another ROM this thread will be full of demands for a release, with other ROM authors saying their ROM can't be modified for 4 days or so, which I pretty sure isn't enforced?

I do remember a discussion when Mike refused to share something, it was the Sensation time.
Sent from my HTC One X+

yes its true even in Desire HD days mike did play this game as well
and this rats game should be banned from XDA
ill PM mike lets hope his inbox is not flooding

I hope that Mike will com back to Us

Electronic Punk said:
I don't see who he is referring to, not seen the final JB WWE RUU anywhere yet.
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http://t.co/HwsX35G6
I do not blame him, by the way. Who the hell knows what kind of confidentiality obligations he takes upon himself...
I just suggest that people stop whining like kids.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1954878&page=6
This thread also covers this sort of discussion
Also note D.O.C's post
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XDA-Developers is about development.
Rules are already laid down to protect the integrity of our forums, with the sole objective so that development persist, no matter of individual or collective choices.
If a user decides to share a RUU, fine, if not, fine again, and here is the reason why: fortunately development does not depend on RUUs, it depends on sources, and, obviously, developers to work with them. Sources are out there published under a licence that allows anyone to modify them and contribute to them in order to achieve a better product, reason why kernel sources have to be posted everytime you decide to share your custom kernel. Android is open source, reason why xda has boosted over the last few years.
HTC ROMs are not intended to be developed over them (ask their lawyers, heck, ask developers around what they find easier, to compile and modify android sources, or stock firmwares).
Now, development does not depend upon sharing. Sure, sharing is a great thing, it speeds up development and makes it greater, but, it does not depend on it. That is why sharing in our forums is a private choice.
XDA delopers started with a group of individuals that wanted to "tweak and modify" their stock roms (some developers I can see around here, and I am glad they are still around). It was a time of sharing and development, and there werent as many "issues" with this kind of environment back then. We all miss those times, but it is time we let go, we gotta move on and adapt to our current circumstances and stop trying to go backwards .....in short, develop a new mentality towards how we accept and deal with our current users. Afterall, we are in a development forum right?
RUUs are propietary to HTC, if they get "leaked" into our forums, well, thanks to the leaker, but under no cirmcunstance XDA will allow anyone to be "forced" to do something that they cannot/want to do. Not to HTC or any user for that matter. We do not ask anyone to share anything. If a user decides to share, we all win, if he doesnt decide to share, well, that is his choice, but we (by we I reffer to us as a community) do not depend upon anyone to continue what this forum is about, which is and will always be, development.
Hope the above does not cause any confusion that we (or I) support nonsharing but on the contrary, sharing stuff makes development greater and more fun, but we do know that development does not depend on it
Have fun!, but please try to stay within our forum rules, since the nature of this subject I can foresee someone getting angry XD
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The post above covers this sort of thing nicely!
I dont really have a personal opinion on the matter but think the above stuff covers it well

hamdir said:
yes its true even in Desire HD days mike did play this game as well
and this rats game should be banned from XDA
ill PM mike lets hope his inbox is not flooding
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I also sent PM to Mike

uqadwe said:
I do remember a discussion when Mike refused to share something, it was the Sensation time.
Sent from my HTC One X+
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I did but I changed my mind some time ago already. People do mistakes, only cows don't change their minds.
Also nobody here have 3.14.401.20 RUU.

well im taking my ball and im going home,
if people don't want to share that's up to them, XDA is about sharing knowledge, sharing the ability to build your own roms and such. Too many people are expecting others to do the work for them and this is NOT what XDA is about.
since when was XDA about the final product?
i think some members need to learn a bit before they speak! don't expect others to build your perfect rom for you.
XDA has become a playground full of children who want things done for them, ive not only watched the quality of members go down hill since ive been here but some moderators as well sadly.
xda is no longer a source of information and like minded people it's now all about.. " I WANT I WANT I WANT"

mike1986. said:
I did but I changed my mind some time ago already. People do mistakes, only cows don't change their minds.
Also nobody here have 3.14.401.20 RUU.
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Mike don't give up on us !
Name and shame the arsehole !!!
Does this include your toolkit also?
Or just ROM Development?!

mike1986. said:
I did but I changed my mind some time ago already. People do mistakes, only cows don't change their minds.
Also nobody here have 3.14.401.20 RUU.
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mike bro, please check my PM

Is there anyone that auctually looks at the request device thread?

Please answer me this question. I have been looking at the request device thread and it appears that only popular devices are only being added and no one cares of the request device thread. These are the most common i see on the thread:
ASUS Padfone 2
LG Escape
LG Optimus L9
Acer S500
Other Acer Iconia series
Motorola RAZR series
Now for my request is the pantech burst because we have a forum that is just getting way too cluttered http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1487576 I have submitted a request for this device three times now. For development: we have a rooted Gingerbread, a rooted Ice Cream Sandwich, three custom roms, have Clockworkmod recovery, AND working on getting CM10, AOKP, and AOSP working. We are very close to getting CM10 to work as a daily driver. Infact here is the link to how the progress is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1818618
I extremely find this outrageous that the popular devices get one and very "unpopular" devices dont. I never see people carrying a Samsung Galaxy Player (proud owner of one) yet it has it's own forum.

One thing you need to understand is that this is a development site. As that's the case, of course newer and more popular devices will have a forum added for them because they have a lot more interest so therefore devs are more likely to develop for the device.
If a device has next to none development, there'll be less activity from the developers and that generally means less people will be interested in the device.
What would you suggest? XDA add a forum for each request that comes through?
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No not that. I just find it outrageous that no matter how many times you post in the new device request forum, they will not listen. Many people in that thread requested for the asus padfone 2 and im pretty sure there is plenty of dev support for the device. If there is some dev support like the burst i think it deserves its own device thread. I mean really, we are so very close on cm10 and yet no forum. The only thing not working is the data and wifi.
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I already explained why the forums that keep being requested haven't been created. See the first paragraph of my first post.
Explain how you would decide which devices had a forum created for them then. Obviously you feel that the current system isn't working, so what do you feel would work?
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I already explained why the forums that keep being requested haven't been created. See the first paragraph of my first post.
Explain how you would decide which devices had a forum created for them then. Obviously you feel that the current system isn't working, so what do you feel would work?
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Obviously the current system doesn't work for the end users nor the developers of lesser known devices. I own one of the most requested devices ever at one point and we don't have a forum yet. (Samsung Galaxy Relay T699) I would suggest taking any device that has a recognized developer working for it that is willing to moderate and implementing a system based on that. I would also suggest greater grouping of similar devices using sub-forums. It's too bad that this site's code doesn't allow for the use of tagging by subject or group, as that would help. Its not a simple solution as new devices drop every week it seems, but I maintain that a device so similar to the GS3 should have a forum lol.
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Obviously the current system doesn't work for the end users nor the developers of lesser known devices. I own one of the most requested devices ever at one point and we don't have a forum yet. (Samsung Galaxy Relay T699) I would suggest taking any device that has a recognized developer working for it that is willing to moderate and implementing a system based on that. I would also suggest greater grouping of similar devices using sub-forums. It's too bad that this site's code doesn't allow for the use of tagging by subject or group, as that would help. Its not a simple solution as new devices drop every week it seems, but I maintain that a device so similar to the GS3 should have a forum lol.
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If XDA was to add a forum for every device which has got a bit of development going on, then a load more moderators would be needed, OR the workload of the current moderators would be at the point where they couldn't truly moderate.
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Thus the part about letting the developers take responsibility for moderating their own device(s). Apart from hosting and storage limitations I wouldn't have a problem with each device having a forum, but honestly at this point there are probably 20 devices back in legacy that could be moved and merged and open that space up. The way I see it - admins are rapidly becoming elitist.
What would the problem be with more moderators anyway? I constantly see people in Miscellaneous Android offering to moderate the (nonexistent)forum for their device if that's the issue.
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I truly think the system is fine but the moderators seem to not take the time to view the devices thats being requested and see if the device deserves a forum. E.x. samsung galaxy s3 mini, you never see people carrying that device but it automatically gets a forum. The pantech burst is att's first LTE phone and it is still being sold for $1 USD and for $120-150 on ebay, maybe even more. All what i ask for the moderators is to look through that forum. If they cannot add that certain device, state a reason why
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I realize for the devices that arn't as popular theres no way xda can create a full forum for each one and moderate it without an insane load on the existing mods. I just wish for the less popular that there might be maybe a manufacturer specific forum that way it can hold multiple devices, only a handful of new forums would be created if that, etc.. like Asus / Pantech / Acer / Motorola

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Thus the part about letting the developers take responsibility for moderating their own device(s). Apart from hosting and storage limitations I wouldn't have a problem with each device having a forum, but honestly at this point there are probably 20 devices back in legacy that could be moved and merged and open that space up. The way I see it - admins are rapidly becoming elitist.
What would the problem be with more moderators anyway? I constantly see people in Miscellaneous Android offering to moderate the (nonexistent)forum for their device if that's the issue.
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You really think the moderator committee would let someone be a moderator just because they've asked for it?
The MC have to be sure that the person is ready to be a mod and that process takes too much time for something that isn't needed.
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I truly think the system is fine but the moderators seem to not take the time to view the devices thats being requested and see if the device deserves a forum. E.x. samsung galaxy s3 mini, you never see people carrying that device but it automatically gets a forum. The pantech burst is att's first LTE phone and it is still being sold for $1 USD and for $120-150 on ebay, maybe even more. All what i ask for the moderators is to look through that forum. If they cannot add that certain device, state a reason why
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Using the basis "you never see people carrying that device", all I'd expect to see on XDA is a load of blackberry's and iPhones mainly.
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I realize for the devices that arn't as popular theres no way xda can create a full forum for each one and moderate it without an insane load on the existing mods. I just wish for the less popular that there might be maybe a manufacturer specific forum that way it can hold multiple devices, only a handful of new forums would be created if that, etc.. like Asus / Pantech / Acer / Motorola
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Then the people of XDA would be complaining even more about bricked devices because noobs don't read and would therefore make more mistakes.

There seems to be a chicken and egg problem here. Phone has little organized development, it doesn't get a forum. Phone has no forum, development goes slower and less organized.
And then sometimes it feels a bit arbitrary. The Relay 4G has had more development done on it so far than the Sidekick 4G had in its entire lifetime, yet the Sidekick has a forum and the Relay doesn't.

Hi,
It would be a waste of time to add a forum for a device with a user base of ~10 people that aren't going to be going any development. It would add unnecessary clutter to the xda forum page, especially if its going too be added to legacy devices within a few weeks anyway

How about making a wiki for it? At least you can organize things that way.

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How about making a wiki for it? At least you can organize things that way.
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There already is an XDA wiki but it's vastly under-utilized.

nightfire37 said:
No not that. I just find it outrageous that no matter how many times you post in the new device request forum, they will not listen. Many people in that thread requested for the asus padfone 2 and im pretty sure there is plenty of dev support for the device. If there is some dev support like the burst i think it deserves its own device thread. I mean really, we are so very close on cm10 and yet no forum. The only thing not working is the data and wifi.
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You are frustrated and it is understandable. You need to read ans absorb what KidCarter93 is trying to explain.
The bottom line is, Yes the Mods see the requests but two things need to be considered.
1) this is a FREE development site people do not work/develop for $$$
2) unless you and a "bunch" of others want development, you need seek out a developer and try and work something out. Maybe a loaner device or simply offer a device for development. YOU CAN NOT PAY somebody to develop on XDA for development. A search on Google will help you find places that will do this.
Every device has started out as yours has. When the SGS3 started (one of the highest developed devices to date). It was a combined thread, every version was under one thread (there are many versions of this phone) so people were bricking there phones because everybody was attempting to use development for the European version which is different from the North American version. It took a month for the devices to form there own threads.
Sadly there are many devices that never receive development. I have owned a ASUS TF300 tablet and while it took development time to start, it now exists,. however in a short period it has slowed due to ASUS creating ewer /better devices. Development has now moved to the new iteration of the device.
Mods/XDA cannot force nor allocate Developers to work on specific devices. Everything done here is voluntary.
Your other choice is to learn development and create your own work:good:
I hope this helps understand XDA and the community a little better.

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There already is an XDA wiki but it's vastly under-utilized.
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LOL, I meant for the Pantech Burst ( which there is none ), not a XDA wiki section entirely. I guess I could have been a bit more clear.
We all have to realize, and believe me that I know the frustrations from searching from post to post, thread to thread, which is why I decided to get the Fuhu Nabi ( tablet ) section going in the XDA wiki for members to edit and contribute to as it's becoming very popular as well. If one reads the very first post here, we are not gauranteed a section. Just have to make the most of it and collect all the info where one can for members to have a start from. I am just glad we have a place like this where we can come to for help and not get litterally flamed for asking or the very least ridiculed for trying to help.
Been here since before 06 when it all started with the Windows Mobile Phones and those were fun times but never signed up until 06.

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LOL, I meant for the Pantech Burst ( which there is none ), not a XDA wiki section entirely. I guess I could have been a bit more clear.
We all have to realize, and believe me that I know the frustrations from searching from post to post, thread to thread, which is why I decided to get the Fuhu Nabi ( tablet ) section going in the XDA wiki for members to edit and contribute to as it's becoming very popular as well. If one reads the very first post, we are not gauranteed a section. Just have to make the most of it and collect all the info where one can for members to have a start from. I am just glad we have a place like this where we can come to for help and not get litterally flamed for asking or the very least ridiculed for trying to help.
Been here since before 06 when it all started with the Windows Mobile Phones and those were fun times but never signed up until 06.
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Collecting it in the wiki is a good way to get started. We take many different factors into consideration when adding new devices. One of these is how many existing developers have it already. Unfortunately we cannot add forums for every device,but you are more than welcome to use the wiki.

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Collecting it in the wiki is a good way to get started. We take many different factors into consideration when adding new devices. One of these is how many existing developers have it already. Unfortunately we cannot add forums for every device,but you are more than welcome to use the wiki.
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Well I just made a wiki for the device. It is a very good phone. It outperforms the Galaxy Nexus using Antutu.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/Pantech_Burst

KidCarter93 said:
You really think the moderator committee would let someone be a moderator just because they've asked for it?
The MC have to be sure that the person is ready to be a mod and that process takes too much time for something that isn't needed.
Using the basis "you never see people carrying that device", all I'd expect to see on XDA is a load of blackberry's and iPhones mainly.
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Then the people of XDA would be complaining even more about bricked devices because noobs don't read and would therefore make more mistakes.
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What he said ^^
XDA simply cant have a forum for each device, and in the case of devices that do not have the backing im sure there are plenty of other forums out there where these devs would meet.
You can also of cause use the Miscellaneous Android Development section if a developer wanted to release stuff for a device that was not listed.
It has been and always will be a developer site and thus the devices with lots of developers will get a section, the request thread is looked at and often devices from it do get sections, but alot of work has to go into deciding which do and dont get sections, and some will always miss out.

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Thus the part about letting the developers take responsibility for moderating their own device(s). Apart from hosting and storage limitations I wouldn't have a problem with each device having a forum, but honestly at this point there are probably 20 devices back in legacy that could be moved and merged and open that space up. The way I see it - admins are rapidly becoming elitist.
What would the problem be with more moderators anyway? I constantly see people in Miscellaneous Android offering to moderate the (nonexistent)forum for their device if that's the issue.
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We have high expectations of conduct of moderators. You can't just become one by asking. And that will NEVER change. We owe it to our users to ensure staff are up to the standard they expect and deserve.
We're not becoming "elitist", but we do expect to see development potential from developers on a device. There's a "rough formula" you can use to tell if a device will appear on XDA lately - it's not formal or anything, it's just common sense.

XDA needs a Facelift to stay future-proof. Any suggestions and ideas are very welcome

Hi All Dear XDA Members,
As most of you will know, I'm XDA addict and active member who started a lot of threads in order to try to keep XDA as organized as possible (see: the Q&A/T thread template: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=46281795&postcount=4, which also contains the links to the Index project and the Ask Away help thread). Yet, I noticed that XDA has become so huge that it's grown out of it's "jacket". It became a forum which looks like a "forest which can not been seen because of all the trees". Newcomers can hardly find their way in this forest, ( They still keep registering to our forum but hardly post anything, let alone that they will start a thread) even more experienced users have difficulties or stop develeloping new ROM's and/or Threads. The layout of XDA is, speaking in modern terms, old fashioned at this very moment and if there will be no facelift within a short while, XDA is IMHO doomed to follow certain social media, who are loosing a lot of followers at this very moment. If you are familiar with social media, you know exactly which media I'm referring too. So, that's the reason I started this thread: How can we resuscitate XDA, cause that's what's needed, to be and stay future proof? IMHO, XDA is one of the, if not the, most important Smartphone forum and it should stay that forever, but changes are needed to achieve this. One of the changes could be a chat function, but most of all there needs to become a new a structure of how XDA is build up untill now. I'm convinced that the XDA staff is aware of this and working very hard to keep XDA future-proof. As it is now, it will be very hard to compete with the modern social media applications. I'm a diehard fan of XDA and that's why I started this thread. Making XDA future proof will be a hell of a job and therefore the staff of XDA can use IMO input from members, like you and me. Just plain and simple: I ask you all to come with information, suggestions and ideas how to make XDA future proof. Help the staff of XDA in this huge project of keeping it alive , kicking and well. Vbulletin is not the most ideal platform anymore, we need something else (see Reddit, etc).
kindest reards, kuzibri
BTW1: I do not suggest that XDA should use the Reddit platform or something the like
BTW2: A more social media approach would and could benefit XDA in the near future.
BTW3: I'm a great fan of the XDA Labs app for Android. Maybe an idea as a starting point?

Can you give some ideas on what can be done in terms of the layout?

This forum has grown MASSIVELY since it was first started back in 2002. I think we now have over 6.6 million members. The vbulletin forum platform was never really intended to handle such a large amount of content or userbase.
We've been on the vbulletin forum platform for a long time now. We've made a large amount of custom modifications, plugins, and tweaks, in order to add a lot of what you see in the forums today. A lot of it is the things you don't see behind the scenes. The massive amounts of custom coding that has been done, that cannot be easily transferred to other systems.
Of course we are aware that the forums are at breaking point in terms of capacity of both content and users. And of course other platform configurations are becoming more popular, with sites such as Reddit. But making a switch to another platform would be a massive massive undertaking. It's not like we can just copy and paste the database.
We are aware that this type of platform is aging, and needs to be kept a little more up to date. And I know the owners are well aware of all of this. It's not that they don't care. They do, more than anything. XDA is their baby, they are heavily invested in it, and they want it to keep growing and to remain the world's premier Smartphone development forums.
I don't know much personally, but I do know there are long term plans to look at updating or switching platforms, to better accommodate the sheer amount of users, and the large amount of valuable content. it will come, but due to the sheer scale of the task, it's going to be a very long term project for the owners I'd say.

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Can you give some ideas on what can be done in terms of the layout?
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I have some ideas which are not ready yet to be posted/published, that's why I started this thread, hoping to get some usefull information and ideas.
BTW, it's not only the layout that needs an update, but the entire structure of XDA in order to stay future proof.
kindest regards, kuzibri

We already have a design for the 2018 template completed. We begun the implementation earlier this year but had to pause because we had to work on other things, such as XDA Feed and yes a new chat product we're working on. We're trying to hire a new full-time developer to help us on the 2018 template, which we expect to take about six months (it's pretty involved).

svetius said:
We already have a design for the 2018 template completed. We begun the implementation earlier this year but had to pause because we had to work on other things, such as XDA Feed and yes a new chat product we're working on. We're trying to hire a new full-time developer to help us on the 2018 template, which we expect to take about six months (it's pretty involved).
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yes a chat product is needed
The messaging part is very complicted for me till now

Search could be better. It's hard to find stuff. The way forums are arranged is a mess too; one for questions, and one with a sticky marked "no questions" right above all the questions! Note: nobody reads stickies, and policing of questions is poor so they stick around long enough to make it look like perhaps questions are welcome after all! On a thread the navigation choices are bizarre to say the least: a button for page 1,2,3,11,> (whatever that is) and last. Well...it's going to be last every time, isn't it? So you can get to the latest posts on a thread you're interested in. Really, this is a pre-Stack Exchange site; possibly learn from them in terms of allowing users to vote threads/comments up/down to give moderators less work (ie they can just skim the worst offenders).
(Apologies if you were just talking about tweaking a css file to change hover colours or something)

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Search could be better. It's hard to find stuff. The way forums are arranged is a mess too; one for questions, and one with a sticky marked "no questions" right above all the questions! Note: nobody reads stickies, and policing of questions is poor so they stick around long enough to make it look like perhaps questions are welcome after all! On a thread the navigation choices are bizarre to say the least: a button for page 1,2,3,11,> (whatever that is) and last. Well...it's going to be last every time, isn't it? So you can get to the latest posts on a thread you're interested in. Really, this is a pre-Stack Exchange site; possibly learn from them in terms of allowing users to vote threads/comments up/down to give moderators less work (ie they can just skim the worst offenders).
(Apologies if you were just talking about tweaking a css file to change hover colours or something)
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We welcome reports about anything violating rules, but also threads out of place. You don't even need to report every question in a general thread, if there's a lot, you can report one and make a note in the report that the whole subsection needs some cleaning. Or, report them all, up to you. :good:
We really rely on members to point stuff out to us, cause we do have a limited sized volunteer mod staff, so we can't see everything out there.
Cheers! :highfive:

Darth said:
We welcome reports about anything violating rules, but also threads out of place. You don't even need to report every question in a general thread, if there's a lot, you can report one and make a note in the report that the whole subsection needs some cleaning. Or, report them all, up to you. :good:
We really rely on members to point stuff out to us, cause we do have a limited sized volunteer mod staff, so we can't see everything out there.
Cheers! :highfive:
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Hi my dear friend,
You're absolutely right. There is a lot of mess going around on XDA and I can understand that you cannot see everything due to limited mod staff. A suggestion might be to make the process to become a Mod easier than it is now. Active and good RC's can become a Mod, IMHO, without the process they have to go through now, which in a lot of cases leads to RC's not appointing for the Mod's status. Instead of going to the Mod's process, I would suggest that you give and explain to RC's what they have to do what a Mod needs to do to become a Mod, just my 2 cents. Of course there is a limitation in this suggestion: the minimum time for an RC to become a Mod more or less automatically should be, IMO, at least two years in which he/she proved his/hers additional value to XDA judged by the Mod's staff. In this way, you will get far more Mod's and XDA will be cleaner than ever.
kindest regards, kuzibri
BTW, It's obvious IMO that the Mod's staff decides which RC is fit to become a Mod without going to the whole process or not, let that be clear.
BTW2, I'm personally do not have the intention to become a Mod in this way (unless your Mod's staff decides so), but I have two suggestions/recommandation regarding two persons of whom I think they are very capable of doing this: @Robbie P and @sd_shadow. They are both very critical and XDA adepts.

@kuzibri
as always you are too kind
a couple of years ago I would have liked to have been a moderator, but right now I don't know I have time right now
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@kuzibri
as always you are too kind
a couple of years ago I would have liked to have been a moderator, but right now I don't know I have time right now
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Hi my dearest friend,
I realy think that you are perfectly fit to be a moderator, but it's of course up to you. I just suggested a new way of appointing Mod's and recommended you and Robbie'for the job. I really think that good and active RC's can become a Mod without going to the whole XDA process that's needed to become one. They are very short of Mod's, so make the process easier for active RC's.
BTW, I have all the time in the world since I retired a few months ago!!
kindest regards, kuzibri

Hi kuzibri, great to see you are still around. Are you suggesting that certain RCs should be given minor moderating powers?
With respect to me, I have not been very active at all lately on XDA, been sort of expecting a PM from JJD every time I log on

kuzibri said:
Hi my dear friend,
You're absolutely right. There is a lot of mess going around on XDA and I can understand that you cannot see everything due to limited mod staff. A suggestion might be to make the process to become a Mod easier than it is now. Active and good RC's can become a Mod, IMHO, without the process they have to go through now, which in a lot of cases leads to RC's not appointing for the Mod's status. Instead of going to the Mod's process, I would suggest that you give and explain to RC's what they have to do what a Mod needs to do to become a Mod, just my 2 cents. Of course there is a limitation in this suggestion: the minimum time for an RC to become a Mod more or less automatically should be, IMO, at least two years in which he/she proved his/hers additional value to XDA judged by the Mod's staff. In this way, you will get far more Mod's and XDA will be cleaner than ever.
kindest regards, kuzibri
BTW, It's obvious IMO that the Mod's staff decides which RC is fit to become a Mod without going to the whole process or not, let that be clear.
BTW2, I'm personally do not have the intention to become a Mod in this way (unless your Mod's staff decides so), but I have two suggestions/recommandation regarding two persons of whom I think they are very capable of doing this: @Robbie P and @sd_shadow. They are both very critical and XDA adepts.
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Hi!
I'll respond to a couple things you've mentioned.
- There's no such thing as a fast track to becoming a mod. There's multiple rounds of questionnaires for a very good reason. We need to get a feel for a person's instincts based on how they answer. And it doesn't matter a person's title on xda, or history here, everyone goes through the same process. Of course history matters with the decision though, we obviously only look at upstanding members who are a definite asset to the site.
- No one becomes a Moderator based on length on Xda alone, there's many factors looked at. And not everyone will become a mod, based on many possible factors too.
- If there are messes out there, hopefully they get reported, because that's the best way to get it addressed. It's a massive site, and yes we do patrol and try to keep things tidy, but we don't see all. We really rely on members reporting issues.
- And the gentlemen you mention need to apply like everyone else. Cause again, no, we don't just appoint anyone. All members interested need to apply and go through the same process.
We encourage anyone interested to apply of course. And best of luck to anyone who does. :highfive:
Hope that helps clear some things up. :good:
Cheers,
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Hi!
I'll respond to a couple things you've mentioned.
- There's no such thing as a fast track to becoming a mod. There's multiple rounds of questionnaires for a very good reason. We need to get a feel for a person's instincts based on how they answer. And it doesn't matter a person's title on xda, or history here, everyone goes through the same process. Of course history matters with the decision though, we obviously only look at upstanding members who are a definite asset to the site.
- No one becomes a Moderator based on length on Xda alone, there's many factors looked at. And not everyone will become a mod, based on many possible factors too.
- If there are messes out there, hopefully they get reported, because that's the best way to get it addressed. It's a massive site, and yes we do patrol and try to keep things tidy, but we don't see all. We really rely on members reporting issues.
- And the gentlemen you mention need to apply like everyone else. Cause again, no, we don't just appoint anyone. All members interested need to apply and go through the same process.
We encourage anyone interested to apply of course. And best of luck to anyone who does. :highfive:
Hope that helps clear some things up. :good:
Cheers,
Darth
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Hi,
thanks for the lenghty explanation, all clear. Was just a suggestion to solve the shortage of Mod's in an easy and fast way.
kindest regards, kuzibri

Robbie P said:
Hi kuzibri, great to see you are still around. Are you suggesting that certain RCs should be given minor moderating powers?
With respect to me, I have not been very active at all lately on XDA, been sort of expecting a PM from JJD every time I log on
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Yes my very dear friend, I'm still around. Due to the shortage of Mod's @Darth mentioned, I proposed to make the most active and valuable RC's a Mod without going to the entire XDA process that's needed for that. But as you can read by the answer of @Darth this is no possibility at all. IMHO, they missed the "train" in that by staying to their rules (which of course I can understand fully), cause, also IMHO, very good RC's (they are not appointed as Recognized Contributors for nothing and this title is closely related to and in line with the work of Mod's, e.g. helping people to find the right way or reacting on wrong posts by reporting them, only Mod's have much more power) are also capable of becoming good Mod's with a newly developed guidance/manual from the Mod's committee what are the demands for an RC to become a Mod in this new way. Maybe this idea is too revolutenary at this very moment, but the saying is: "when you do not shoot, you can also not miss". Of course, when this suggestion would be accepted, the Mod's committee should keep a close eye on these RC's and look if they are fit to be a Mod or not, if not, they will be an RC again. Seems logical to me,
kindest regards, kuzibri

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Hi all,
any other suggestions to make XDA future proof?? Cause at this very moment XDA is, certainly for new members, a labyrinth. In general, even despite the introduction of XDA Assist, they cannot find their way to what they are looking for, so XDA needs to become more accessible and easier to navigate. In fact the entire site should be redesigned, but due to the massiveness of this site, this is an unrealistic task, unfortunately.
kindest regards, kuzibri

I personally think making more social is a mistake. Well at least on the devs side. Most don't like dealing with users to begin with and already block pms and mentions. So adding a chat function I see is just wasting resources. I recall the last time it was brought up with a resounding no.
As for staying sutures proof that will be hard. With the push for tighter security on our devices it is only a matter of time before the majority of devices can't be unlocked and leaves users only looking for apps.

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I personally think making more social is a mistake. Well at least on the devs side. Most don't like dealing with users to begin with and already block pms and mentions. So adding a chat function I see is just wasting resources. I recall the last time it was brought up with a resounding no.
As for staying sutures proof that will be hard. With the push for tighter security on our devices it is only a matter of time before the majority of devices can't be unlocked and leaves users only looking for apps.
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Hi,
many thanks for your valuable feedback. With this thread I tried to stir up some things to see whatever is possible. What do you mean with "Dev's do not like dealing with users", cause that's what XDA stands for? This amazes me a bit. Regarding the future proof remark, you may be right in the near future.
kindest regards, kuzibri

kuzibri said:
Hi,
many thanks for your valuable feedback. With this thread I tried to stir up some things to see whatever is possible. What do you mean with "Dev's do not like dealing with users", cause that's what XDA stands for? This amazes me a bit. Regarding the future proof remark, you may be right in the near future.
kindest regards, kuzibri
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Really? How many devs do you see having conversations that mean anything with users? One of the biggest complaints from devs are the users. Mostly due to the fact that they won't do anything for themselves. Why do you think most teams use things like slack, or telegram (the devs don't really even talk much there in the public rooms, they have private ones set up in the side to talk shop) when I say dev I mean the real devs. Not script kiddies and compile jockies.
That is what xda stood for. It is no longer that way.
Nothing is future proof. Never has been never will be. It will end just like the days of freely modding your device. It all ends.

Hi my very dear friends,
no more new ideas or suggestions how to keep XDA future proof? It's my personal idea that the interest in posting on XDA is rapidly diminishing. If true, this would be a very disappointing way to handle XDA. It meant and still means IMHO a lot for members and newbies to be informed about the latest innovations regarding smartphones and giving them details about it. Also for helping people to get out of trouble with their device or solve other problems, XDA is the place to be. Whenever there are no reactions to this post within two weeks, I will ask a friendly Mod to close this thread. The reason for this is the presumable lack of interest in this subject and thereby there exists no need anymore to continue it nor to keep monitoring it.
kindest regards, kuzibri

Have you considered allowing the talented devs on xda fix the bugs in the site?

I just created an account on XDA a few weeks ago, but have been using your site for maybe 8 years. I really appreciate that such a community exists in the first place! Obviously by the thread title I have no idea what I'm talking about and am most likely simply wasting oxygen and server data. I was just wondering if the website is "open" for the developers that post all of their content here to fix any bugs in the site itself or if it's a closed system. I think it would be cool to allow the official devs to have the ability to fix things on the site when they go wrong. Now as I come to the end of this post, I realize just how trivial and meaningless it is. However, I am now going to click "Submit New Thread" anyways just to become an interactive member. I am proud to become part of XDA and excited to learn and hopefully help in any way I can. Thank You. :fingers-crossed:

It is a "closed system", devs working for XDA website (paid position) are just a few. AFAIK, 99% of the time they are hired from elsewhere than the forum.
ROMs/Kernels/Apps devs sharing their work on XDA are not doing the same kind of work, they are working on Android. Running/mananging/fixing a website is not the same stuff.
I don't mean that it never happened and won't happen again, but generally I think XDA owners don't hire devs from the forum.