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[Q] OC problem

i've heard some people can OC their GIO to 921MHz stable, but on my gio it can't even get stable on 883Mhz. on 864MHz is somewhat stable but i still get hung or FC randomly, im super stable at 844MHz.
Why does my phone can't be OC like them other guys?

Not all devices are made exactly the same. Processors can behave differently as do the batteries and other hardware.

bogdanwp said:
Not all devices are made exactly the same. Processors can behave differently as do the batteries and other hardware.
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is there nothing i can do? i've tried many ROMS, on some i can get to 921 for a few seconds, but still the same. will changing kernel help?

Why not stop overclocking ? Just find a very fast rom and then you can save the overclocking , hence the instability and hotness and draining battery. That way you will have longer life on your Gio.
L.E. : just change the minimum frequency to 245 and refrain from using roms that are heavy right now , like CM 10.1 , try anything based on gingerbread like Adrenaline or Enhanced 2.3.6 or DebianDroid for example , or AOSP ICS wich i find very fast.

bogdanwp said:
Why not stop overclocking ? Just find a very fast rom and then you can save the overclocking , hence the instability and hotness and draining battery. That way you will have longer life on your Gio.
L.E. : just change the minimum frequency to 245 and refrain from using roms that are heavy right now , like CM 10.1 , try anything based on gingerbread like Adrenaline or Enhanced 2.3.6 or DebianDroid for example , or AOSP ICS wich i find very fast.
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well currently im using AOKP milestone 6 CM9 based, i use conservative governor 245-844MHz, installed adrenaline engine 4.4, and pim my rom and set my OOM and LMK to medium settings. battery is drained only when im using data or playing games obviously. actually this ROM is superb for me performance wise, its just, i feel like i can squeeze a bit more of it for playing games you know. its like i see this slight lagging and i thought if only i could use a little more CPU power, the lag will be gone

Even you can overclock a 1st gen AMD Duron to 2Ghz with liquid nitrogen, it just doesn't make sense doing it

AW: [Q] OC problem
i can oc my cpu to 960mhz but i think it makes no sense... you don't feel the extra speed in normal use only in benchmarks... my cpu is set to 480mhz because it's enough for every app i am using (facebook, whatsapp, xda, browser and so on).

Which one is best for PUBG & overall performance ?

Hi everyone you must have seen this post and I just want to know that out of these mentioned ROMs below, please tell me the bestest ROM for PUBG and overall performance or which kernel + ROM should I install for better performance
As I'm a heavy user and games a lot with using many apps daily so can't test on my own and also I'm a student don't have time to test
ROMs:
1. Bootleggers
2. AEX
3. DotOS
4. Havoc OS
5. MIUI 10
6. PixelExperienceRom
7. RR Rom
8. Jaguar Rom
9. Liquid Remix

Running AiCP 13.1 Latest weekly along with Nameless R17.
Satisfactory performance for me with PubG !!
May not be the fastest there, but coolest (heat management) for sure.
Around 25-30% battery usage per hour.
Running under medium settings as detected and set by the game at first launch !!

Use aosip with stock kernel

mdzaibsk said:
Hi everyone you must have seen this post and I just want to know that out of these mentioned ROMs below, please tell me the bestest ROM for PUBG and overall performance or which kernel + ROM should I install for better performance
As I'm a heavy user and games a lot with using many apps daily so can't test on my own and also I'm a student don't have time to test
ROMs:
1. Bootleggers
2. AEX
3. DotOS
4. Havoc OS
5. MIUI 10
6. PixelExperienceRom
7. RR Rom
8. Jaguar Rom
9. Liquid Remix
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miui

I've got to say over the weekend I've tested all the major roms and AEX causes least of the problems
Jaguar - horrible overheating, rom is by far the fastest for gaming
It properly uses fast charge but it's overheating so much it's scary, also substratum doesn't work
AICP - The coolest one(in terms of temps) but is just too slow for games
AOSiP -it's weird it's like improved AICP but I have random problems with my network(I live in Poland and Zuk Z2 doesn't support for B20 so it doesn't have amazing reception)
Bootlegers - has some problems with my apps and just convoluted settings
AEX - steady performance, horrible ram management, after I left phone to charge overnight I guess it stopped charging after 100% because I had 88% in the morning after 7 hours of charging but the games run pretty smoothly, substratum is fully supported, all apps work fine, no cellural problems, but I once phone rebooted so I'm kinda worried
Overall I didn't find one rom without any problems and on all treble roms I have problem that it doesn't charge at full charger possibility :/
If anyone have different good rom please share, I also tested nitrogenos but it was a mess for me so I don't know what else to try which is optimized for Zuk Z2

wielku said:
I've got to say over the weekend I've tested all the major roms and AEX causes least of the problems
Jaguar - horrible overheating, rom is by far the fastest for gaming
It properly uses fast charge but it's overheating so much it's scary, also substratum doesn't work
AICP - The coolest one(in terms of temps) but is just too slow for games
AOSiP -it's weird it's like improved AICP but I have random problems with my network(I live in Poland and Zuk Z2 doesn't support for B20 so it doesn't have amazing reception)
Bootlegers - has some problems with my apps and just convoluted settings
AEX - steady performance, horrible ram management, after I left phone to charge overnight I guess it stopped charging after 100% because I had 88% in the morning after 7 hours of charging but the games run pretty smoothly, substratum is fully supported, all apps work fine, no cellural problems, but I once phone rebooted so I'm kinda worried
Overall I didn't find one rom without any problems and on all treble roms I have problem that it doesn't charge at full charger possibility :/
If anyone have different good rom please share, I also tested nitrogenos but it was a mess for me so I don't know what else to try which is optimized for Zuk Z2
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Did you try changing clock values on jaguar? As it's over clocked by default.
I don't face any over heating on jaguar.. I have been trying roms too and i get back to jaguar everytime. I tried implementing jaguar interactive governor values in other roms but others were not so fluid.
I use default clock values of zuk i.e 2.1 +1.5 ( 1.8+1.2 also work good without stutters) with hotplugging active and i generally play Pubg on ghostpepper / fusion balanced. No over heating faced here

Rikul said:
Did you try changing clock values on jaguar? As it's over clocked by default.
I don't face any over heating on jaguar.. I have been trying roms too and i get back to jaguar everytime. I tried implementing jaguar interactive governor values in other roms but others were not so fluid.
I use default clock values of zuk i.e 2.1 +1.5 ( 1.8+1.2 also work good without stutters) with hotplugging active and i generally play Pubg on ghostpepper / fusion balanced. No over heating faced here
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I might try that, but I wish substratum was fully supported :/

Rikul said:
Did you try changing clock values on jaguar? As it's over clocked by default.
I don't face any over heating on jaguar.. I have been trying roms too and i get back to jaguar everytime. I tried implementing jaguar interactive governor values in other roms but others were not so fluid.
I use default clock values of zuk i.e 2.1 +1.5 ( 1.8+1.2 also work good without stutters) with hotplugging active and i generally play Pubg on ghostpepper / fusion balanced. No over heating faced here
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Is there a way to change clocks without kernel auditor?

wielku said:
Is there a way to change clocks without kernel auditor?
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Ex kernel manager. There is a way you can change clock speeds using terminal also. Not sure of that method though.

wielku said:
I've got to say over the weekend I've tested all the major roms and AEX causes least of the problems
Jaguar - horrible overheating, rom is by far the fastest for gaming
It properly uses fast charge but it's overheating so much it's scary, also substratum doesn't work
AICP - The coolest one(in terms of temps) but is just too slow for games
AOSiP -it's weird it's like improved AICP but I have random problems with my network(I live in Poland and Zuk Z2 doesn't support for B20 so it doesn't have amazing reception)
Bootlegers - has some problems with my apps and just convoluted settings
AEX - steady performance, horrible ram management, after I left phone to charge overnight I guess it stopped charging after 100% because I had 88% in the morning after 7 hours of charging but the games run pretty smoothly, substratum is fully supported, all apps work fine, no cellural problems, but I once phone rebooted so I'm kinda worried
Overall I didn't find one rom without any problems and on all treble roms I have problem that it doesn't charge at full charger possibility :/
If anyone have different good rom please share, I also tested nitrogenos but it was a mess for me so I don't know what else to try which is optimized for Zuk Z2
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Hey, thanks for taking out time to try most roms and sharing back. Did you try DotOS ?

AiCP + nameless R17 user here. PubG runs really cool and lag free with medium settings but it's a battery hogger for sure. No OC, all default, no root or any mods.
40%+ per hour while using Mobile Data (AirTel 4G or Jio 4G).
35%+ per hour while 2.4GHz WiFi.
Need to charge often if playing more than couple of games back to back.
Good thing though, 20-80% charge range is done really quickly if using any high AMP (2 or 2.4AMPs) charger !!

Best ROM?

Hi everyone,
I am using Xiaomi Mi 6 and I can't take the "support" Xiaomi has for this phone anymore and I am thinking of changing the stock ROM.
I have never done this before and i'm not sure which one to pick. I am interested in improved battery life and improved camera algorithms (if possible) with camera 2api enabled so I can use GCam as the stock camera now (in MIUI 10) is even worse than it used to be.
I would go for something more MIUIish but I want the best that is out there.
Any suggestions?

i tried all possible rom and kernels for mi 6 and finally can say that the best in my opinion will be PIXEL EXPERIENCE CAF
its the smoothest and stable rom.. eas will give you better battery and gaming performance than interactive( if you use asphalt 8/9 on interactive roms you get fps drop to 26/7 constantly. on eas fps are stable, capped to 30 )
caf based provide very smooth and optimized software than aosp. because is optimized for specified processor
f2fs on data and cache will give you better storage performance especially on write speed and device longevity( now pixel 3 and 3 xl use this for these reasons)
- this rom is underclocked to 2.0 ghz by default. if you want maximum performance you need to unlock the maximum frequency with ex kernel manager
-even with ex kernel manager i reccomend to set on boost cluster section : 1324 mhz for little clusters and 0 to big clusters , boost duration 40 ms ( latest miui is smooth because of these values)
camera photos and videos are amazing. 60fps on video with incredible stabilization. battery is outstanding,even deep sleep, only 3% over night.
pixel experience caf isnt perfect because its the third release but is official and regulary updated. my device is smoother than mi 8 and mi 9.. snapdragon 845 use eas for reasons. our device use the same ufs 2.1 memory. no need to upgrade to latest flagships

Alessandro999 said:
i tried all possible rom and kernels for mi 6 and finally can say that the best in my opinion will be PIXEL EXPERIENCE CAF
its the smoothest and stable rom.. eas will give you better battery and gaming performance than interactive( if you use asphalt 8/9 on interactive roms you get fps drop to 26/7 constantly. on eas fps are stable, capped to 30 )
caf based provide very smooth and optimized software than aosp. because is optimized for specified processor
f2fs on data and cache will give you better storage performance especially on write speed and device longevity( now pixel 3 and 3 xl use this for these reasons)
- this rom is underclocked to 2.0 ghz by default. if you want maximum performance you need to unlock the maximum frequency with ex kernel manager
-even with ex kernel manager i reccomend to set on boost cluster section : 1324 mhz for little clusters and 0 to big clusters , boost duration 40 ms ( latest miui is smooth because of these values)
camera photos and videos are amazing. 60fps on video with incredible stabilization. battery is outstanding,even deep sleep, only 3% over night.
pixel experience caf isnt perfect because its the third release but is official and regulary updated. my device is smoother than mi 8 and mi 9.. snapdragon 845 use eas for reasons. our device use the same ufs 2.1 memory. no need to upgrade to latest flagships
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Im on the same boat as op. https://download.pixelexperience.org/sagit/ is this the correct website to download?
Also one more question , does this rom have OTA?
Thanks in advance mate!

Altair47 said:
Im on the same boat as op. https://download.pixelexperience.org/sagit/ is this the correct website to download?
Also one more question , does this rom have OTA?
Thanks in advance mate!
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yes this is official website of caf builds, i reccomend it
there is also a china website https://sagit.sbwml.net/?dir=PixelExperience/pie , but this is aosp based
select witch you prefer

Hello, I don't want to duplicate thread. I look for best ROM for me. What would you recommend for:
- best battery life
- super light rom without bloatware apps (I'd like to install open gapps pico) - only the most important applications. I use "Nova launcher" for my daily launcher.
Actually I use BaikalOS and it is nearly perfect except some issues with hardware button backlight.

You don't have to use kernel manager to change CPU freq
There is xiaomi advanced menu and the are four profiles battery balance performance and game
Choose what you like.
And yes, ROM is very smooth

I've tried almost all roms, but I always come to Miui based ones. Stock ones feel a little bit unfinished, with some small annoyances, and fingerprint is not as fast as on Miui. Regarding battery I think they are all on par. I currently use "MiRoom 9.4.11", little debloated myself with Titanium backup and installed "NFS Injector" module through Magisk. I get aroud 6h SOT, which is the best I was able to get through months of testing.
P.S. I always have a problem with Gcam not saving photos immediately after taking with Aosp based roms, dunno why...

For me,
Miui Based Rom - Revolution OS (not to be confused with Revenge OS). Gapps included.
and
AOSP Based - AospExtended ROM v6.4 [OFFICIAL (latest) + Open Gapps
These 2 I found are more than stable.
Use appropriate Gcam. Both are Buttery smooth for daily driver.

Alessandro999 said:
i tried all possible rom and kernels for mi 6 and finally can say that the best in my opinion will be PIXEL EXPERIENCE CAF
its the smoothest and stable rom.. eas will give you better battery and gaming performance than interactive( if you use asphalt 8/9 on interactive roms you get fps drop to 26/7 constantly. on eas fps are stable, capped to 30 )
caf based provide very smooth and optimized software than aosp. because is optimized for specified processor
f2fs on data and cache will give you better storage performance especially on write speed and device longevity( now pixel 3 and 3 xl use this for these reasons)
- this rom is underclocked to 2.0 ghz by default. if you want maximum performance you need to unlock the maximum frequency with ex kernel manager
-even with ex kernel manager i reccomend to set on boost cluster section : 1324 mhz for little clusters and 0 to big clusters , boost duration 40 ms ( latest miui is smooth because of these values)
camera photos and videos are amazing. 60fps on video with incredible stabilization. battery is outstanding,even deep sleep, only 3% over night.
pixel experience caf isnt perfect because its the third release but is official and regulary updated. my device is smoother than mi 8 and mi 9.. snapdragon 845 use eas for reasons. our device use the same ufs 2.1 memory. no need to upgrade to latest flagships
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Is this pixel experience better than miui??
Inviato dal mio MI 6 utilizzando Tapatalk

AospExtended ROM v6.4 is indeed very good for daily usage, stable and with tons of features. The only thing that killed me was the music quality when using my earphones.
For now I am using BankaiOS, the music quality of this ROM is more to my taste. It is battery friendly but it allows less tweaking compared to AOSPExtended.

Any tips on how to make my phone run Fortnite better?

It runs like **** right now, the rendering resolution is set to 50% and stable 30 FPS is rarity.

our device is equiped with a decent enough cpu but the gpu sucks so dont get your hopes high ... did you try to reduce the resolution in the game launcher ?

david.duchowny said:
It runs like **** right now, the rendering resolution is set to 50% and stable 30 FPS is rarity.
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Maybe it help...
Simple part :
First you can install magisk module like FDE.AI or NFS Injector or LKT (very good this one)
Medium :
Then You can try to overclock cpu and gpu with "kernel audiutor" for exemple. (GPU set to 745, governor on demand)
Hard Way :
Finally You can try to configure the app with "GLTools" (then disable MSAA, lower résolution...)
Good luck.

alaa96 said:
our device is equiped with a decent enough cpu but the gpu sucks so dont get your hopes high ... did you try to reduce the resolution in the game launcher ?
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1. I've heard that A70 has problems with throttling too
2. In game launcher? I didn't see a single option regarding resultion in game launcher. Only in game itself and I lowered it to as much as I could.

david.duchowny said:
It runs like **** right now, the rendering resolution is set to 50% and stable 30 FPS is rarity.
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david.duchowny said:
1. I've heard that A70 has problems with throttling too
2. In game launcher? I didn't see a single option regarding resultion in game launcher. Only in game itself and I lowered it to as much as I could.
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Try this if this will help
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=80510279&postcount=24

david.duchowny said:
1. I've heard that A70 has problems with throttling too
2. In game launcher? I didn't see a single option regarding resultion in game launcher. Only in game itself and I lowered it to as much as I could.
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i dont know about the throttling problem though during gaming my phone barely even gets hot ! compared to my s8 which has a beast of a gpu if you put it against the gpu in the a70 my s8 would get super hot during gaming

alaa96 said:
i dont know about the throttling problem though during gaming my phone barely even gets hot ! compared to my s8 which has a beast of a gpu if you put it against the gpu in the a70 my s8 would get super hot during gaming
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Where did you find these options? Is this one of those pre installed "game" apps ?

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Where did you find these options? Is this one of those pre installed "game" apps ?
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ckeck this video
https://youtu.be/K2QvlsuJTH4
sorry for the trashy quality i dont know why it turned out like this

Question Anyone succeed on overclock gpu using Konabess on Poco F3?

Hi guys. I just want to know if someone manage to overclock gpu using Konabess on Poco F3?

Hey, i tried a'lot with Konabess and Poco F3.
I couldn't go higher than 677 Mhz from stock 670 Mhz and it seems the problem is the frequency table in SD870 Kernel, another guy was succesful on very early miui 12.0.x kernel of a SD870 Device released before march 2021, he said that qualcom or xiaomi restricted the upper frequency tables.
But nvm, it would only be great for benchmark scores above 670+, after few minutes the max frequency decreases (heat, power draw)
managed to undervolt the stock frequencys by a huge amount -> results in much more stable max frequency (smoother gameplay) and greatly reduced temperatures / power usage = more SoT ^_^
the attached konabess config file works for me stable
it could crash on another f3 cuz of silicon lottery
import config file in konabess apk
repack kernel and restart (root required ofc)

Rickpad said:
Hey, i tried a'lot with Konabess and Poco F3.
I couldn't go higher than 677 Mhz from stock 670 Mhz and it seems the problem is the frequency table in SD870 Kernel, another guy was succesful on very early miui 12.0.x kernel of a SD870 Device released before march 2021, he said that qualcom or xiaomi restricted the upper frequency tables.
But nvm, it would only be great for benchmark scores above 670+, after few minutes the max frequency decreases (heat, power draw)
managed to undervolt the stock frequencys by a huge amount -> results in much more stable max frequency (smoother gameplay) and greatly reduced temperatures / power usage = more SoT ^_^
the attached konabess config file works for me stable
it could crash on another f3 cuz of silicon lottery
import config file in konabess apk
repack kernel and restart (root required ofc)
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Thanks. Any rom will work or vice versa? Which rom you using this config?

CrazyRoux said:
Thanks. Any rom will work or vice versa? Which rom you using this config?
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Works on all MIUI Roms and also on many Aosp, currently using the cfg on Pixel5 Beta4 (A12 Port) without any problems
just HentaiOs didnt boot with the konabess mod, but u can backup dtbo.img in twrp and if your device not boot u can flash backup

Thank you. Already using your config on xiaomi.eu 12.5.6.
So if i'm using older rom like 12.0.3, i can overclock it higher? Planning to oc to 850mhz and lower it 2 table volt.

Rickpad said:
Hey, i tried a'lot with Konabess and Poco F3.
I couldn't go higher than 677 Mhz from stock 670 Mhz and it seems the problem is the frequency table in SD870 Kernel, another guy was succesful on very early miui 12.0.x kernel of a SD870 Device released before march 2021, he said that qualcom or xiaomi restricted the upper frequency tables.
But nvm, it would only be great for benchmark scores above 670+, after few minutes the max frequency decreases (heat, power draw)
managed to undervolt the stock frequencys by a huge amount -> results in much more stable max frequency (smoother gameplay) and greatly reduced temperatures / power usage = more SoT ^_^
the attached konabess config file works for me stable
it could crash on another f3 cuz of silicon lottery
import config file in konabess apk
repack kernel and restart (root required ofc)
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thx for this, trying this out on S beta 4, seems to be glitching a little, whenever im doing anything, im on piraterex build same like you

K-scorpion said:
thx for this, trying this out on S beta 4, seems to be glitching a little, whenever im doing anything, im on piraterex build same like you
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my bad seemed to be the pebble stacked wallpaper that seemed to be causing the glitch after changing it things became normal. after your config seems to be much smoother @Rickpad THx bruh!

uh noo its the display driver ig screen seems to go blue patch weird marks

After flashing your config my display is blue, avoid

K-scorpion said:
uh noo its the display driver ig screen seems to go blue patch weird marks
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Ig? Did u mean instagram?

samantas5855 said:
After flashing your config my display is blue, avoid
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Your display turn blue or on all apps? Mine got no problems. Already use this config on xiaomi.eu 12.5.6 and currently lineage latest build.

CrazyRoux said:
Your display turn blue or on all apps? Mine got no problems. Already use this config on xiaomi.eu 12.5.6 and currently lineage latest build.
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Yes my display got blue in general, I also have graphical glitches ingame

samantas5855 said:
Yes my display got blue in general, I also have graphical glitches ingame
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Thats because of Silicon Lottery, every chip behaves different, some can undervolt better or worse than other even if they come from the same chip wafer.
When graphical glitches appear with my cfg then the gpu cant handle the cfg-adjusted undervolt settings.
U can try to lower/up the voltage table of each frequency table by one step and test yourself for stability with konabess apk and 3dmark for example, its not very difficult.
Everyone should try and figure out what your gpu can handle to get the best results in your games, the provided cfg file is just a example and works with my own gpu stable, which means other chips can fail instantly after you import and apply the cfg, or your gpu can handle even better undervoltings, just try

Rickpad said:
Thats because of Silicon Lottery, every chip behaves different, some can undervolt better or worse than other even if they come from the same chip wafer.
When graphical glitches appear with my cfg then the gpu cant handle the cfg-adjusted undervolt settings.
U can try to lower/up the voltage table of each frequency table by one step and test yourself for stability with konabess apk and 3dmark for example, its not very difficult.
Everyone should try and figure out what your gpu can handle to get the best results in your games, the provided cfg file is just a example and works with my own gpu stable, which means other chips can fail instantly after you import and apply the cfg, or your gpu can handle even better undervoltings, just try
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Hi friend, Im aware of silicon lottery and this can indeed explain glitches when gaming but not why my screen is blue. Sadly conabess gives you no option to restore backed up vendor_boot.img, you have to do it manually. Regarding the things you said, even if xiaomi patched the kernel, its open source so the patches can always be undone with a custom kernel. Im ob arrow os latest stock btw

samantas5855 said:
Hi friend, Im aware of silicon lottery and this can indeed explain glitches when gaming but not why my screen is blue. Sadly conabess gives you no option to restore backed up vendor_boot.img, you have to do it manually. Regarding the things you said, even if xiaomi patched the kernel, its open source so the patches can always be undone with a custom kernel. Im ob arrow os latest stock btw
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Yes i guess it can be unlocked in kernel and it seems xiaomi locked/hide the oc clock frequency's in kernels made after 02/2021. Found the information about the guy where succesful overclocked max gpu clock by replacing his miui 12.5 march kernel by a old FKM Backup Kernel and it worked again for him
Is this method getting blocked by new MIUI weekly update(21.2.4), only one freq slot can be selected above 587(like 865+). · Issue #2 · libxzr/KonaBess
I'm trying the old version(0.8.1 which worked) now, wait a minute.
github.com

Is there any custom kernel where this works?

CrazyRoux said:
Ig? Did u mean instagram?
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Was happening all over

m0lly. said:
Was happening all over
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Mine got no problem using this config. Btw mine is global variant.

CrazyRoux said:
Mine got no problem using this config. Btw mine is global variant.
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Yo I'm on eu 12.5.6, rickpad config works. Btw were you successful to hit 850? Damn that'd be sweet.
Thx Ricky prolly was a12 for the artifacts before.