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Alright the thread title already says everything.
Is the HTC One X still a good and reliable phone in day to day usage?
Is the Tegra powerfull enough to play current games and get through all daily stuff without problems in form of delays or lags?
Also regarding stock ROMs like CyanogenMod or Paranoid Android, as I'm planning (if I buy that phone) to flash one of these, do they run smooth?
I plan buying the One X because I hate the button layouts of current phones and would be happy to get some opinions.
Thanks in advance!
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Everything you said...yes. great phone. I sold my HTC one to come Bk to the x as it just doesn't compare camera etc
All games run sweet
Paranoid etc all smooth..you'll lose camera quality but it still works though
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Nope, not a good phone......it's a friggin' AWESOME phone :laugh::laugh:
Matt
I love the One X, I don't feel any need of buying a new phone this year, it's a reliable phone. I use Sentinel Rom which is an AOSP rom like the ones you mention, I don't like Sense so this has been my daily driver for months, and everything works great, the phone is fast, games run as smoothly as you want them to and so on. My only concerns are the battery and the camera which are.. well, terrible. If you're not in absolute perfect conditions the pictures will be awful, don't even try low light photography, it'll be hurtful, even the flash is useless, you can't get a good photo (it's worth noticing that the results aren't the same with the stock sense camera); and the battery barely lasts a day (by day I mean the moment when you wake up until the moment you go to bed, not 24 hours, 12 hours tops). If you can live with that I strongly advise you to buy this phone. Even more due to his price range which is very mid range and you get a very high end feel phone. The build quality and the screen are outstanding, I'd say that's what it has over his greatest competitor which is the S3. Hope I helped
Yes. And One X>S3.
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Yes. And One X>S3.
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I'm aware of that fact!
What about that Wifi issue? Do many devices have that issue or is it only the minority?
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I'm aware of that fact!
What about that Wifi issue? Do many devices have that issue or is it only the minority?
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I owned 2 htc one x, no issues on both.
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What about that Wifi issue? Do many devices have that issue or is it only the minority?
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Quite a lot of One X's have that issue, especially if they've upgraded officially to the 3.18 base
If I were you its a no brainer, get the S3 or even better, the Nexus 4
But the S3 has:
Better camera, better audio, smoother gaming performance, micro sd and better development community
The One X has terrible battery, terrible performance in high end games, I mean some games that are supposed to be optimised (thd) lag on this phone (shadowgun for example) and the hyped features like beats audio turned out to be ruined by the HOX's crappy DAC and the so called super 'Tegra 3' turned out be nothing but a heat creating battery sucker
The only things I prefer of the One X is the build quality and excellent screen but tbh that's not really enough to make this phone 'better' than the S3
I'm not hating on the One X, it's probably the phone that I've kept the longest since I've bought it but tbh, it was a disappointment
Feel free to disagree
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I'm aware of that fact!
What about that Wifi issue? Do many devices have that issue or is it only the minority?
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I also owned 2 One X's and neither of them had Wi-Fi issues. The first one had a gap in between the screen and the body of the phone, it came like that out of the box it made a crack noise every time I touched the display, would like to know what happened with that phone :silly:
One thing I read here that is 100% true is that for the same price you can buy the Nexus 4 which is better in every way, it's something you should consider
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Quite a lot of One X's have that issue, especially if they've upgraded officially to the 3.18 base
If I were you its a no brainer, get the S3 or even better, the Nexus 4
But the S3 has:
Better camera, better audio, smoother gaming performance, micro sd and better development community
The One X has terrible battery, terrible performance in high end games, I mean some games that are supposed to be optimised (thd) lag on this phone (shadowgun for example) and the hyped features like beats audio turned out to be ruined by the HOX's crappy DAC and the so called super 'Tegra 3' turned out be nothing but a heat creating battery sucker
The only things I prefer of the One X is the build quality and excellent screen but tbh that's not really enough to make this phone 'better' than the S3
I'm not hating on the One X, it's probably the phone that I've kept the longest since I've bought it but tbh, it was a disappointment
Feel free to disagree
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lol what are you saying? s3 has compared to one x bad camera and battery in s3 just holds not more then half an hour more then in one x ....gaming...i really don't have problems with gaming now...even with un-optimized games... the one x is way better then s3...but ok you own the s3 so you will say another thing...i already made MANY tests with both...the one x was always better only in speaker volume and battery it was not that good as s3 but ok it's enough...
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lol what are you saying? s3 has compared to one x bad camera and battery in s3 just holds not more then half an hour more then in one x ....gaming...i really don't have problems with gaming now...even with un-optimized games... the one x is way better then s3...but ok you own the s3 so you will say another thing...i already made MANY tests with both...the one x was always better only in speaker volume and battery it was not that good as s3 but ok it's enough...
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Nah lol I don't have S3 (S4), so I should actually be supporting HOX
But seriously battery is way better on the S3, I borrowed my friends one for 2 weeks to see what it was like and on a bloated stock rom with at least 2 hours of gaming, I easily reached 5 and a half hours of screen on time
And come on, everyone knows the HOX flopped when it came to gaming, I mean try and play any gameloft game and it'll lag really badly (Batman, Nova 3, Wild Blood). Real racing 3 on high graphics lags and so does shadowgun. Seriously go download Iron man and tell me it's smooth. Even with Trip's kernel, it was unplayable for me and within ten minutes, CPU hit 75°C
With custom kernels it's fixed a bit but the heat produced is just ridiculous. And the camera of the S3 may not have some of the fancy features of the One X but the quality is quite a bit better
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It is still a great phone... Now that the price had dropped it's a very sweet deal... Any day better than s3....
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There's a basic flaw in all battery comparison posts on this thread. It's only obvious that S3 will have battery life than the HOX simply because the S3 has a large battery capacity - nearly 28% more. Hence, if all else constant, compared to the HOX the S3 should last at least 28% longer assuming both the phones are used in exactly the same way.
It's only fair on HOX to compared to another phone with a similar battery capacity, IMO
The HoX is still an amazingly good phone, no doubt about it.
My other half got a Sony Xperia Z a couple of months ago and there are some obvious hints that Sony's flagship has got some more grunt and has unbelievably good battery life, but the camera and screen are noticeably inferior when compared to the HoX.
I'll be sad when the day comes that I 'upgrade' from my HoX.
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Bought a HTC One a month ago just to give it a try. Great phone, faster than One X, better battery, better sound. For the first couple of weeks, One X sat silently on my desk.
But then, the novelty of One started wearing out and I wanted to sell it before it devalued to much. I've returned to my One X a week ago and I remembered why I love it. It has a GREAT screen, it's light, has a greet feel, it's still damn fast. No need really to upgrade until next year.
@OP: if you can get one for a good price, don't hesitate. Just don't unlock the bootloader (4.2.2 is coming soon) until you test for a while the wi-fi issue that plagues most of the units.
HTC One X is awesome
This phone was a f*ng disappointment of 2012 for me since day one.
You can't have proper live wallpapers (or custom scrollable wallpapers) because some f**head engineer in HTC messed their HTC Sense too much and it consumes way too much RAM.
Battery life just sucks. At first we even had battery drainers inside the operating system (at least THOSE got fixed), the only way I overcome this is by installing HTC One X+ battery.
Look at this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2189653
After a year of use (primarily putting the phone inside front jeans pocket) that f*ng unibody case gets weary and affects how your digitizer is working. I am lucky that I switched from jeans to a suit and I manager to find a way to prevent unibody flexing (I put the phone in the inside pocket of my jacket now).
Update (JB 4.1) promised to roll out in October makes it out only in December.
Every guy in RL that I met with this phone was also very unhappy. Curious that people at this forum are not like that - but after all, only a small percentage of users use this forum. Plus I really think that people unhappy with this phone very rarely enter the forum (like me).
All in all, if you have to buy a 2012 phone, go with Nexus 4. Better in every detail (except slight disadvantages with the screen maybe).
I was one x user for last one year, at least four of my friends bought one x after seeing mine. With all the hype about HTC one I decided to give it a try, amazing boom sound, full hd screen.
Sold my one x in the process. 1 week and I was missing my one x. Sold HTC one and bought another one x and gonna keep this till it stops working. Fantastic device, excellent build quality, looks good naked.
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Headless_monkeyhunta96 said:
Nah lol I don't have S3 (S4), so I should actually be supporting HOX
But seriously battery is way better on the S3, I borrowed my friends one for 2 weeks to see what it was like and on a bloated stock rom with at least 2 hours of gaming, I easily reached 5 and a half hours of screen on time
And come on, everyone knows the HOX flopped when it came to gaming, I mean try and play any gameloft game and it'll lag really badly (Batman, Nova 3, Wild Blood). Real racing 3 on high graphics lags and so does shadowgun. Seriously go download Iron man and tell me it's smooth. Even with Trip's kernel, it was unplayable for me and within ten minutes, CPU hit 75°C
With custom kernels it's fixed a bit but the heat produced is just ridiculous. And the camera of the S3 may not have some of the fancy features of the One X but the quality is quite a bit better
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RR3 does NOT lag at all, nor does Shadowgun, not even in the slightest. But since Gameloft games are s**t I couldn't give a monkeys. NO game I play on the HOX ever lags. ATM I am enjoying Galaxy on Fire 2 HD, full 3D space combat sim, and it's utterly flawless.
The HOX, even after over a year, continues to impress...and I do NOT have one of the exceedingly rare variant 3's or anything like that. I have the worst of the bunch variant 0 (though I think I am lucky in my particular chip just being binned like that). And my battery is the original.
ONE thing I agree on is that it DOES get hot, but that's more a product of manufacturing process. It's manufactured on TSMC's 40nm high-speed process (the companion core being on the low-power process). This means that at full-tilt it has quite a high leakage (heat and power use) but that clock for clock it's switching speed is far superior than, for example, the S3 which uses a FAR cooler-running 32nm LP process.
Tegra 3 was designed to be performance over power. HTC realised their mistake in pairing it with such a poor battery in the HOX, hence the HOX+.
I am NOT going to say the HOX is without flaw, far from it...but it is an incredibly powerful phone with a quality build and a simply SUPERB screen that continues to hold it's own in every application even after an eternity has passed (and over a year in the smatphone market IS an eternity).
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This phone was a f*ng disappointment of 2012 for me since day one.
You can't have proper live wallpapers (or custom scrollable wallpapers) because some f**head engineer in HTC messed their HTC Sense too much and it consumes way too much RAM.
Battery life just sucks. At first we even had battery drainers inside the operating system (at least THOSE got fixed), the only way I overcome this is by installing HTC One X+ battery.
Look at this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2189653
After a year of use (primarily putting the phone inside front jeans pocket) that f*ng unibody case gets weary and affects how your digitizer is working. I am lucky that I switched from jeans to a suit and I manager to find a way to prevent unibody flexing (I put the phone in the inside pocket of my jacket now).
Update (JB 4.1) promised to roll out in October makes it out only in December.
Every guy in RL that I met with this phone was also very unhappy. Curious that people at this forum are not like that - but after all, only a small percentage of users use this forum. Plus I really think that people unhappy with this phone very rarely enter the forum (like me).
All in all, if you have to buy a 2012 phone, go with Nexus 4. Better in every detail (except slight disadvantages with the screen maybe).
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I've run every live wallpaper i've liked the look of without one single problem, even on Sense. I just tend to not like live wallpapers but they run just fine so I have no idea what you're on about there.
Battery life under use does NOT suck...the original battery capacity sucks...and I will admit that was one of HTC's few design choices on this device that really did blow. The battery is too small, but Tegra makes excellent use of it considering it's power requirements, and IDLE battery consumption is EXCELLENT. That's what NVIDIA aimed for, and HIT in my mind, maximum performance during user interaction but minimal power draw in idle to compensate.
After over a year of use the bodywork on my uncased (in all that time) and jeans pocketed HOX has NOT fatigued and the screen is in perfect condition.
Finally I would say that the people you are likely to meet on this forum are those people who utilise their phone to it's fullest possible potential. I am not talking about custom ROM's and kernels, I am talking about just USING the device to the maximum. Ordinary Joe and Jane Public tend not to do this and find many things to b*tch and moan about, in MY opinion..which I think is just as valid as your assessment.
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RR3 does NOT lag at all, nor does Shadowgun, not even in the slightest. But since Gameloft games are s**t I couldn't give a monkeys. NO game I play on the HOX ever lags. ATM I am enjoying Galaxy on Fire 2 HD, full 3D space combat sim, and it's utterly flawless.
The HOX, even after over a year, continues to impress...and I do NOT have one of the exceedingly rare variant 3's or anything like that. I have the worst of the bunch variant 0 (though I think I am lucky in my particular chip just being binned like that). And my battery is the original.
ONE thing I agree on is that it DOES get hot, but that's more a product of manufacturing process. It's manufactured on TSMC's 40nm high-speed process (the companion core being on the low-power process). This means that at full-tilt it has quite a high leakage (heat and power use) but that clock for clock it's switching speed is far superior than, for example, the S3 which uses a FAR cooler-running 32nm LP process.
Tegra 3 was designed to be performance over power. HTC realised their mistake in pairing it with such a poor battery in the HOX, hence the HOX+.
I am NOT going to say the HOX is without flaw, far from it...but it is an incredibly powerful phone with a quality build and a simply SUPERB screen that continues to hold it's own in every application even after an eternity has passed (and over a year in the smatphone market IS an eternity).
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RR3 doesn't lag on stock low graphics setting but as soon as you set it at high where it isn't an eyesore, the fps is bearable but is only about 25fps dropping to about 16 in heavy scenarios.
And sorry mate but your simply wrong, even hamdir stated that shadowgun lags and was complaining about how an 'optimised' game doesn't even run well on the HOX. It's not like it runs constantly at low fps but on too many an occasion it drops way below playable for a few seconds during gameplay
And Gameloft may have some terrible customer service and support but they have produced some really good games which I can't enjoy on the One X - Nova 3, Dark Knight and Wild Blood to name a few
And your telling me no absolutely no game lags? That's a bit of a joke considering it's well known how Nvidia put a sh*tty GPU alongside the excellent Tegra 3 processor otherwise. Go and play NFS Most Wanted, GTA Vice City, Dungeon Hunter, Dead on Arrival 2, RR3 on HIGH graphics, etc, etc. and then come back and talk
Man I'm not just hating on the One X for no reason, but sometimes you just have to face facts, the One X disappointed in many areas.
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Well im just asking if i should get it or no.
I want to replace my laptop with it and a small keyboard. 10.5 LTE with Supposatly the Samsung exynos that is a 8 core but seem it not in reality like samsung lied
I want to hear the good and bad.
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EDIT : Hello bonami2 , I posted the reply below before i realized it was you from NBR Forum, Welcome to XDA
It depends on what you want to do, if you want to watch video`s most of the time, get it, it has an amazing display, if you want to browse the internet most of the time, dont get it as the oled display eats the battery when it shows white, you are better of getting an lcd tablet, gaming kills the battery on all tablets so it does not make that much difference between oled and lcd.
You can get browsers that have night mode, where white is black so it save a load of battery power but it looks like crap.
John.
Don't get it. Poor battery life in general. Horrible idle battery life with Lollipop. The CPU is outdated by now. If you have to get a large screen tablet right now, go with Ipad Air 2 or Google Nexus 9. Moreover, we're slowly approaching the holiday season. Normally all new products are released in the second half of year. Even Samsung's Tab S replacement is rumored to be arriving in the second half of this year.
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Don't get it. Poor battery life in general. Horrible idle battery life with Lollipop. The CPU is outdated by now. If you have to get a large screen tablet right now, go with Ipad Air 2 or Google Nexus 9. Moreover, we're slowly approaching the holiday season. Normally all new products are released in the second half of year. Even Samsung's Tab S replacement is rumored to be arriving in the second half of this year.
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The new cpu for the tab s2 is supposate to be only 50% better in singlethread. and Enable the hmp to use the 8 core and have a higher clock and new architecture.
But at the end my 4 old Galaxy nexus from samsung from like 2011 2012 is still able to browse website with it old crappy dual core ahah. with 1/6 the singlethread
Poor battery life well i seen 15 hour of movie time with black movie. Using Dolphin and A night mode should allow to have better battery.
Not interrested in any apple product even if i was forced to.
At the end there is nothing on the market that seem worth the money. Except the tab s and i do know how to save battery with the recent research and own experience with my old Amoled phone.
So im gonna try it and return it if im not happy
And put the money toward some gpu
Anyways im getting it mid july and i heard it could be released in that time frame. Will see.
Thank you for all the negative
I have no problem with battery usage. It lasts a long time for me.
Tablet design is one of the best, the screen is fantastic. No issues with lag in normal day to day usage.
Websites with heavy usage of ads and graphics, can exhibit a little lag, but nothing out of the ordinary or that bothers me.
Sound quality is great. Touchwiz isn't the best implementation of an interface, not compared to HTC sense on my M8. However all in all quite happy with it.
And yea it me from nbr decided to post in case i could learn other stuff Google is good but we never have enough info
Thank you
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I have no problem with battery usage. It lasts a long time for me.
Tablet design is one of the best, the screen is fantastic. No issues with lag in normal day to day usage.
Websites with heavy usage of ads and graphics, can exhibit a little lag, but nothing out of the ordinary or that bothers me.
Sound quality is great. Touchwiz isn't the best implementation of an interface, not compared to HTC sense on my M8. However all in all quite happy with it.
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Thank you
Tested something with my nexus 5
Chrome is laggy when moving page the finger move faster than the browser
Dolphin go as fast as my finger can go on the screen and doest lagg at all or almost. Sure heavy page are slow to load.
Im mostly interrested in the multitasking thing samsung made i tried it on the old Note 2 and it work fine
Ps i have a 6000mah external battery
Gonna use it to power the external hdd im gonna get later down the road.
100% laptop replacement with storage everywhere
What is "black movie" ?? or did you mean black mode?
John.
"Poor battery life well i seen 15 hour of movie time with black movie. Using Dolphin and A night mode should allow to have better battery"
Tinderbox (UK) said:
What is "black movie" ?? or did you mean black mode?
John.
"Poor battery life well i seen 15 hour of movie time with black movie. Using Dolphin and A night mode should allow to have better battery"
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Uh review was replaying Harry potter in loop for 15 hour
I mean Dark movie sorry
Am limited to 1 post each 4 minute ahah
The New S2 has an 4:3 display it has shown up on benchmarking apps, and the resolution is 2048x1536 that is an 4:3 aspect ratio like the iPad`s
John.
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The New S2 has an 4:3 display it has shown up on benchmarking apps, and the resolution is 2048x1536 that is an 4:3 aspect ratio like the iPad`s
John.
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Oh yea but 15 hour on the tab s 10.5
yea im staying aways from that crap 4:3 ratio i have no idea how people can like that i had a laptop with that ratio for about 10 years until the screen hinge broke + the battery + the screen itself go humidity stuck in the panel and the fan started rattling lol
Ended using it as a server and finnaly recycled it after it started sounding like an airplane
My battery monitor says around 12hrs video playback at hd resolution depending on how bright the video is, Harry Potter=Yes , Dune=No
John.
QUOTE=Bonami2;61650442]Oh yea but 15 hour on the tab s 10.5
yea im staying aways from that crap 4:3 ratio i have no idea how people can like that i had a laptop with that ratio for about 10 years until the screen hinge broke + the battery + the screen itself go humidity stuck in the panel and the fan started rattling lol
Ended using it as a server and finnaly recycled it after it started sounding like an airplane [/QUOTE]
My battery is ok. Not good overnight on standby so charge it or switch it off.
I get an occasional freeze on lollipop when watching films. Was no problem on kitkat. Hope the next release fixes the movie issue.
Love the design. If the s2 is even better I may be tempted - but not by a smaller screen (as suggested).
That's out in the next month or 2 isn't it? Why not wait. Then you can buy my S lol
My T800 only looses 1-2% in 16 hours according to the app below, how much do you loose, have you tried finding out what is causing your battery drain.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ck.batterymonitor&hl=en
John.
First of is this a very good tablet.... yes. There is a handful of flagship class tablets that are made for android and for the most part they each have small advantages and disadvantages over each other. The best thing you can do is figure out exactly what type of stuff you want to do on your tablet.
Second this tablet is a Big.little 2X quadcore, so calling it an octacore is both cprrect and deceptive at the same time. Honestly I have no clue if Samsung enabled HMP (heterogeneous multi processing- the ability to use both quad cores at the same time) or not but I have noticed that the tablet is usually more gpu bound then it ever gets processor bound. In practice the faxct that there are better processors out there (tegra k1) does not mean that this tablet can not handle almost any program you can throw at it (that runs on it-- no tegra zone or xcom).
Lastly I would not recomend this tablet, the nexus 9, Nvidia shield, Sony z4, or any other android tablet as a laptop replacement. Or to be more precise I could not use one in that role. It has nothing to do with speed, this tablet is far faster then the pentium 4m dell I used to have. It is not so much the size of the tablet the 10.1 inch screen is not much different then some ultrabook screens I have used. The main issue in using an android tablet as a laptop replacement is Android. If you could load linux on this tablet amd run it then it might be a little closer to a working replacement, but even then the arm architecture severely limits program compatibility. The lack of even 1 full sized usb port (yes I know it has otg) limits accessories that can be used.
If you only ever need to do some very light document editing, then yes this can replace a laptop. If you need to do more then that and you absolutly have to have a tablet form factor then buy a surface 3 (never a 1 or 2, windows rt is useless) or other x86 based windows 8.1 tablet. If you want the best of both worlds then for the price of a galaxy tab s abd a keyboard you can get a convertable tablet/laptop and have a laptop for heavy workloads and a tablet for fun all in one.
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First of is this a very good tablet.... yes. There is a handful of flagship class tablets that are made for android and for the most part they each have small advantages and disadvantages over each other. The best thing you can do is figure out exactly what type of stuff you want to do on your tablet.
Second this tablet is a Big.little 2X quadcore, so calling it an octacore is both cprrect and deceptive at the same time. Honestly I have no clue if Samsung enabled HMP (heterogeneous multi processing- the ability to use both quad cores at the same time) or not but I have noticed that the tablet is usually more gpu bound then it ever gets processor bound. In practice the faxct that there are better processors out there (tegra k1) does not mean that this tablet can not handle almost any program you can throw at it (that runs on it-- no tegra zone or xcom).
Lastly I would not recomend this tablet, the nexus 9, Nvidia shield, Sony z4, or any other android tablet as a laptop replacement. Or to be more precise I could not use one in that role. It has nothing to do with speed, this tablet is far faster then the pentium 4m dell I used to have. It is not so much the size of the tablet the 10.1 inch screen is not much different then some ultrabook screens I have used. The main issue in using an android tablet as a laptop replacement is Android. If you could load linux on this tablet amd run it then it might be a little closer to a working replacement, but even then the arm architecture severely limits program compatibility. The lack of even 1 full sized usb port (yes I know it has otg) limits accessories that can be used.
If you only ever need to do some very light document editing, then yes this can replace a laptop. If you need to do more then that and you absolutly have to have a tablet form factor then buy a surface 3 (never a 1 or 2, windows rt is useless) or other x86 based windows 8.1 tablet. If you want the best of both worlds then for the price of a galaxy tab s abd a keyboard you can get a convertable tablet/laptop and have a laptop for heavy workloads and a tablet for fun all in one.
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im mostly looking to browse internet and go on forum and listen to music and movie on the go
I think it fit perfectly. Anyways most current laptop are overpowered and windows cant even utilise the hardware correctly.
10hour battery life on a laptop is pretty hard to do
The review in the link below quotes approx 7.5 hrs internet browsing which is almost the lowest, but the video playback is the longest, have a read of the full review if you have not yet.
Try "UC Browser" it has the best night mode i have see.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.uc.browser.hd&hl=en_GB
http://anandtech.com/show/8197/samsung-galaxy-tab-s-review-105-84inch/3
John.
Tinderbox (UK) said:
The review in the link below quotes approx 7.5 hrs internet browsing which is almost the lowest, but the video playback is the longest, have a read of the full review if you have not yet.
Try "UC Browser" it has the best night mode i have see.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.uc.browser.hd&hl=en_GB
http://anandtech.com/show/8197/samsung-galaxy-tab-s-review-105-84inch/3
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Will see i could maybe get the tablet the 5 :laugh:
If younare looking for multimedia playback (videos and songs) and some internet browsing then yes you are correct, you don't need a full sized laptop. Tbh you really do not need a seprate bluetooth keyboard for thst either and that was partly what I was basing the thought you might want to do more then that on the tablet. Word processing for a document of any reasonable length, is lously on android even with a bluetooth or usb otg keyboard.
If you want to watch movies or listen to music on the go do not forget to buy a microSD card, this tablet supports up to 128GB but 64GB is a far better value. 16GB (or even 32GB lte model) is not enough memory after programs and the OS to store more then a few hours of moderate quality (480p-720p) videos and evem kitkat reads multimedia from removable storage with out any need to mess around with roms or root. Heck it is the one thing Google thinks should go on a microSD card, that and pictures.
Some phones are great to take camping because if you play Asphalt 8 long enough, the back warms up to the ideal temperature that can bake bread. Rate this thread to express the extent to which the Honor 8 stays cool under extended heavy use. A higher rating indicates that even when playing strenuous games for long periods of time, the phone doesn't get uncomfortably warm.
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I have not experience any form of heating where I could bake anything, but enough to make me aware of it. Of course heat during mapping is normal, gaming wise....I actually think it has been descent. Played Asphalt 8 for a good 30 minutes (thats my gaming time frame on regular basis) with nothing out of the norm. Could be better.
Niki Kidman said:
In the place where I live, summer is really hot! I noticed that Honor 8 performs much better than phones I used to use.
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It's probably due to the Kirin SoC, which is power efficient.
PalakMi said:
It's probably due to the Kirin SoC, which is power efficient.
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I always suspect it at much, though I find myself lacks of love to Kirin SoC due to almost no progress on custom development, and some sites reported poor performance of it, but I myself, who never play (or have any intention to play) any games on mobile device, use them strictly to communication usage (and some web surfing), I find Huawei's tradeoff performance over heat and battery life might very good concept.
I never care about synthetic benchmarks. I just need a device that can last long and stays cool all the times with my activities, and it never lags. My most demanding tasks might be watching 3-7 minutes of YouTube's videos for some times or navigating the roads with GPS.
But just like almost anyone else here, I can't stand the EMUI, just no. Still hoping Huawei will fully support custom dev with their new commitment.
x3r0.13urn said:
I always suspect it at much, though I find myself lacks of love to Kirin SoC due to almost no progress on custom development, and some sites reported poor performance of it, but I myself, who never play (or have any intention to play) any games on mobile device, use them strictly to communication usage (and some web surfing), I find Huawei's tradeoff performance over heat and battery life might very good concept.
I never care about synthetic benchmarks. I just need a device that can last long and stays cool all the times with my activities, and it never lags. My most demanding tasks might be watching 3-7 minutes of YouTube's videos for some times or navigating the roads with GPS.
But just like almost anyone else here, I can't stand the EMUI, just no. Still hoping Huawei will fully support custom dev with their new commitment.
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We all hope huawei try to push sources for dev always and ASAP
tends to warm up a lil bit, bt no overheating.
Glad to know there is no overheating.
Mine gets really hot when you work the camera(s).
Every single phone on the market will overheat. Some overheat very easily, and some take a while, but is not a one that will not get hot until it melts (even if it takes months of you playing asfault to do it ). If you wanted a practical answer though.... no, my friend has one and it doesn't get too hot when playing a game on it for a few hours.
Once I almost burned my hand while playing on my OnePlus One and charging it. This phone keeps lower temperatures than my OPO so that's a plus for me.
This is a topic I am really interested.
My present phones, the LG G2 and the OnePlus One, get really hot, specially in the Summer. The LG G2 is the worst, as it has everything in the same place, and the Snapdragon 800 is a little less refined than the 801.
I do not play on my smartphone, and I only use GPS once a month.
I use my phone to comunicate (call, text, Facebook Messenger, WhatsApp and Viber), track my packages (Deliveries), watch some videos on YouTube and search quickly something on the internet.
I am a light user, but when I do something, that thing needs to be done quickly and right.
So, heat is a no-no for me.
This SoC seems to be a better option, even against the Snapdragon 820, which was my previous SoC of choice.
Actually this Honor 8 tends to get warm. And when you use the camera for some minutes it gets really really hot in the upper part.
ouardo said:
Actually this Honor 8 tends to get warm. And when you use the camera for some minutes it gets really really hot in the upper part.
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What do you mean by using the camera?
- Having it open while trying the features;
- Taking multiple shots;
- Making a video;
- Taking HDR photos; or
- Other use, please describe your usage.
hitardo said:
What do you mean by using the camera?
- Having it open while trying the features;
- Taking multiple shots;
- Making a video;
- Taking HDR photos; or
- Other use, please describe your usage.
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Simply having it open. It overheats very quickly. Seems to be an issue with Huawei p9 too, an owner told me.
ouardo said:
Simply having it open. It overheats very quickly. Seems to be an issue with Huawei p9 too, an owner told me.
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In my opinion, I suspect that is a software issue.
To have a better performance and take pictures very quickly, the CPU and GPU are taken to the limit and have a more aggressive governor and higher minimum frequency.
I don't know. Could be for the dual camera though. Whose usefulness, by the way, is at least dubious.
ouardo said:
I don't know. Could be for the dual camera though. Whose usefulness, by the way, is at least dubious.
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Yes, I agree.
At least on the heating problem.
From the review of Pocketnow, it is clear than it has a positive affect on the dynamic range of the photos. HDR becomes obsolete, which is a good thing, as HDR uses more power from the phone, takes more time and requires to be still for longer.
Look, I've experimented with the cameras in every light condition. Covering the mono sensor and leaving it active. I myself could not really tell a single difference between the photos taken.I really don't.
I don't know how you are getting it hot. I have played games. Used the light for extended periods of time. Used maps. Camera, video. It has never been as hot as other phones I have used.
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It has never been as hot as other phones I have used.
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Thank you for sharing your experience.
Hello there!
I am currently active on the ZTE Axon 7 side of things. I initially bought the Axon because of its speakers, its loud DAC/Amp for headphones and its sleek metal build. I succumbed to "beauty" over functionality and want to make a leap back.
My choices are the OnePlus 3 (not T! it's too expensive) and the Moto Z Play.
My main usage is around 50% Whatsapp, 30% Reddit (via Sync), 10% Youtube, 10% Spotify. I have no games installed and I use the camera occasionally for shooting a picture in Whatsapp...
Will the SD625 be enough for me empirically?
How is the sound output via 1)Speakers, 2) Headphones in comparison to phones like the Nexus 5, LG G4, Nexus 5X (those are phones I know and heard)?
How "easy" is it to unlock the Bootloader for european users?
How fast and accurate is the fingerprint sensor?
For Germans: Does the turbocharger come included in the box?
People who got the Z Play and the OP3: What is your opinion?
I tried to be as specific as possible and hope that I will be able to contribute more once I make my decision.
iNaruX said:
Hello there!
I am currently active on the ZTE Axon 7 side of things. I initially bought the Axon because of its speakers, its loud DAC/Amp for headphones and its sleek metal build. I succumbed to "beauty" over functionality and want to make a leap back.
My choices are the OnePlus 3 (not T! it's too expensive) and the Moto Z Play.
My main usage is around 50% Whatsapp, 30% Reddit (via Sync), 10% Youtube, 10% Spotify. I have no games installed and I use the camera occasionally for shooting a picture in Whatsapp...
Will the SD625 be enough for me empirically?
How is the sound output via 1)Speakers, 2) Headphones in comparison to phones like the Nexus 5, LG G4, Nexus 5X (those are phones I know and heard)?
How "easy" is it to unlock the Bootloader for european users?
How fast and accurate is the fingerprint sensor?
For Germans: Does the turbocharger come included in the box?
People who got the Z Play and the OP3: What is your opinion?
I tried to be as specific as possible and hope that I will be able to contribute more once I make my decision.
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Hi there,
The snapdragon 625 has enough power for your use cases, actually more than enough. I haven't found an app or game it couldn't handle until now.
Speakers: Compared to my Nexus 4, far better. Very clear and loud, but I can't speak for other models you mentioned.
Bootloader: Unlocking the bootloader is fairly easy. Register on the motorola site, boot phone into fastboot and obtain the device key. Submit it and Moto sends your unlock key via e-mail. But keep in mind you will loose your warranty.
Fingerprint sensor: Unlocks really fast (less than a second). I can't compare the accuracy as it is my first device with a sensor, but until today it always unlocked
Turbocharger: I bought the retail version from amazon.de and it was included.
The OP3 probably has a larger developer base, so if you are into custom roms the OP3 might be a better choice. On the other hand, you won't find a phone with a better battery life than the Z Play. My phone visits the charger every three days ...
Have a look at this thread for more pros and cons.
Unlocks faster than it takes to swipe up on the screen it seems.
Because of battery life, I upgraded 2 times. First from Moto G 2014 to Moto X Play, then Moto Z Play.
If you ask regarding phone quality or listening to something different than music, fine. The Z Play is a wonderful device, it's fast, it stays cool when gaming, it has every sensor you could need, components are very good, everything's working together great saving battery. You can't plug the charger the wrong way because it's USB-C! I like it very much and would always recommend it.
The sound of the Moto Z Play is good. But if you search for something to play music via loud speaker, never take a device without stereo. For music the sound of Moto G 2014 which has stereo speakers is so much better.
A colleague has the Sony X Compact X and is very confident, this maybe an option. I don't like Sony, they like to restrict users, they implement a different GUI for Android, they delete some functionality RIP (raster image processing) when rooting. But if you ask about sound and refer to music, you may have a look at it.
The other devices I don't know, and I didn't hear the loudspeaker of the Sony. I don't have the comparison you want, but just wanted to tell you my experience. Hope it helps.
You may have a look at the speaker mod. Or take some external speaker, the Moto Z Play supports aptX which makes Bluetooth sound great (of course the other device has to support it too to make it work).
Thank you for the answers! I'm not that much into custom Roms, but the original software on the Axon 7 is so bad, that is was absolutely necessary.
How is the software on the Z Play? I hear that Moto usually updates pretty fast and keeps it stock.
Before the MZP I had an OP3 as a daily driver - it died after two months, the touchscreen just stopped working out of nowhere. The only thing I preferred the OP3 over the MZP is the design and, maybe, the camera.
Sound: OP3's output (3.5mm) seemed to be a little bit louder, but not better in any way. The MZP wins the speaker battle (front-facing ftw!).
Performance: Despite having half the RAM and a much less powerful SoC I feel that the MZP performs way smoother, especially multi tasking works much better (sic!).
Battery: OP3 struggled to get me over 1.5 days, MZP reachs up to 4 days and 3 on a regular basis.
Turbocharger: I'm from Switzerland, so not sure about DE, but I got the turbocharger included. Pretty sure it's the same for Germany.
Software: Had some bugs @OP3, but that may have changed in the meantime. Overall it's communty is much bigger - but I don't really care about custom ROMs when the phone comes with (nearly) stock Android as the MZP does.
Updates: In terms of pace I would give this point to the OP3 - but they had to deliver fastly to troubleshoot all the bugs, so...
Features: The MZP comes with a bunch a really cool and useful software features. Just check out the Moto Actions.
So, overall I'd definitely go with the MZP again anytime.
I went from Axon 7 to OnePlus 3 to Moto Z Play. The Axon 7 had frustrating Software, no development, very annoying capacitive buttons, and an annoying curved back (didn't sit flat on tables). The OnePlus 3 had great software and tons of development, but speakers sucked and battery life was worse (although still enough to make it through most days without charging mid day). The Z play has awesome stock software and plenty of development, good front facing speaker, insane battery life, flat back, mods (love my speaker mod and leather back), and performance is just as good as the oneplus 3 and Axon 7. Next to each other, the OnePlus 3 was noticeably faster than the Axon, but the oneplus 3 and Moto z play are identical.
I would never go back to an 800-series CPU again. Having unlimited battery life, a phone that never ever heats up no matter what, and is just as smooth as the fastest phones on the market is wonderful. The SD625 is marketed as a "mid-range CPU", but considering it's the only cpu other than the SD 820/1 on the 14nm process, it's really a flagship CPU that prioritizes efficiency over performance. Can't wait for the 10nm SD635!
Unlocking bootloader is easy for everyone (except Verizon models), fingerprint reader is faster than the Axon but a little slower than the OnePlus 3. Camera is worse than both (you didn't ask about that, but if that's very important to you, the OP3 camera is really really good). The Moto gestures and ambient display are really useful and work very well. Front speaker on the Z Play is tinny at high volume but way better than the OP3 speaker. Build quality is excellent on all 3 phones. I can't tell any difference using headphones between the OP3 and the Z Play, but neither are as good as the Axon 7 was. The stock software on the Z Play is better than the pixel or nexus. OnePlus 3 Software is better if you care about customization out of the box. If you don't care, the Z Play software is better.
Thanks so much to the last 2 replies, this made my choice a lot easier.
The camera on the mzp is about as good as the 5x but nowhere near the G4. Sound is a bit better than the 5x and G4 but nothing stunning. Hardware is way better than lg which is failure prone. Exchange services on the Moto are good and better than Google AOSP which are worthless but lg services are better than Moto's. I'm impressed with the one plus 3t. Awesome hardware if you want a VR capable phone. The mzp is the perfect workhorse. Amazing battery and never feels slow.
I currently have the oneplus3, Axon 7, and Nexus 6p.. I am thinking about downsizing to only have the z play because the sd 625 is amazing with power efficiency and is a strong enough processor for anything a phone needs to do. Gaming, Taking some pictures, 2 day battery life, plus it's water resistant (proof...?) Saw a video of a dude leaving it under water for an hour with no damage!
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I went from the Axon 7 to Z Play and I'm not looking back. The best decision I ever did. Software was weird on the Axon, capacitive buttons were easy to miss and some other small things. The only thing better was the display's scratch resistance and the camera glass too.
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Listening to music using headphones. OnePlus 3 is a strict no no. The sound signature of Moto z play via headphone is excellent - I was pleasantly surprised. It is deep and loud even though it doesnot have any dedicated DAC.
Battery life in z play is insane. SOT - 7 to 8 hours easy even with nougat update.
The UI is super smooth and clean.
Moto z play is perhaps the most underrated phone.
I agree completely. I also came from the axon 7. The Moto z play is gonna be a hard phone to quit!!! And I was one to switch phones every 3 months.
Oh, I forgot to tell: I made the switch and am not looking back
Love the gestures, SOT is around 5-6 hours, on my Axon I had like 2.5 days.
I feel like people with thosei nsane SOT times (10+ hours) are using it permanently and letting the screen on at just idle.
My phone only has 5hours SOT but lasts around 5-6 days because it is always in standby
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Oh, I forgot to tell: I made the switch and am not looking back
Love the gestures, SOT is around 5-6 hours, on my Axon I had like 2.5 days.
I feel like people with thosei nsane SOT times (10+ hours) are using it permanently and letting the screen on at just idle.
My phone only has 5hours SOT but lasts around 5-6 days because it is always in standby
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So what did you get? I just got me the Moto Z Play after so much research. I gave my dad a MOTO G5 Plus for his birthday just to see how the SD625 performed and that thing convinced me it was lag free and snappy (low light camera sucks big time though on the G5). I had bad experiences with SD615/617 with previous devices I owned like the Idol 3S. It was just a lag fest and slow downs on those devices. Don't know if the 2ghz or the 14nm or the 933mhz DDR3 or a combination of all 3 that made a drastic change in performance on the SD625 over the SD615 but so far it is a completely different beast. Was about to get the OP5 but found an open box Z play for a really good price and could not pass it up. I'm coming from a Moto X Pure. I was sick and tire of the pure's battery life, and the micro lags here and there when it started to heat up. I loved the dual speakers but oh well, the single speaker on the play is loud enough and is front facing. The AMOLED is just beautiful, no WIFI AC like the pure but I don't even transfer large files over wifi to my desktop. So don't care. I haven't tested the cameras yet, and won't upgrade to nougat - I like Xposed. Will come back and drop a line or two after I use this device for a couple of weeks.
It would be downgrade
iNaruX said:
Hello there!
I am currently active on the ZTE Axon 7 side of things. I initially bought the Axon because of its speakers, its loud DAC/Amp for headphones and its sleek metal build. I succumbed to "beauty" over functionality and want to make a leap back.
My choices are the OnePlus 3 (not T! it's too expensive) and the Moto Z Play.
My main usage is around 50% Whatsapp, 30% Reddit (via Sync), 10% Youtube, 10% Spotify. I have no games installed and I use the camera occasionally for shooting a picture in Whatsapp...
Will the SD625 be enough for me empirically?
How is the sound output via 1)Speakers, 2) Headphones in comparison to phones like the Nexus 5, LG G4, Nexus 5X (those are phones I know and heard)?
How "easy" is it to unlock the Bootloader for european users?
How fast and accurate is the fingerprint sensor?
For Germans: Does the turbocharger come included in the box?
People who got the Z Play and the OP3: What is your opinion?
I tried to be as specific as possible and hope that I will be able to contribute more once I make my decision.
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I had Axon 7 and I had OnePlus 3, and now I'm using Moto Z Play,
Only thing better in Z Play is batter and everything ends there.
Axon 7 have beautiful display, Sound from headphones and speakers are not match, performance was also superior, only thing I felt inferior was Camera but Z Play is no good IMO, I'm also Using HTC U11 so It is snappy for most part (Z Play) but I often see slow downs, and for my Z Play call speaker was a downgrade as well. what I like about Z Play is batter and Moto Display.
IMO OnePlus 3 will be better purchase than Moto Z Play.
It seems clear now that once again the Exynos version is inferior this year and as I understand it the known disadvantages are as follows:
Inferior real world performance (actually is capable of better but suffers with thermals)
Power management
Different (worse) camera module in the Exynos vs. the SD
I'm guessing that most positive comments are from snapdragon users so for those with an Exynos, how are you feeling? and better still does anybody out there have both versions?
I have the S20+ and have been a little disappointed, the camera has been pretty average (only just got April update so not tested that yet) and I have noticed that the phone gets quite warm quite quickly, being in lockdown the battery has not jumped out yet as I am never more than one room away from a charger.
Thoughts??
S20 exynos user here and I'm fine with it...
I don't game which helps of course, but get decent battery life (idle drain 0.5-0.7%/hr and when using the phone a lot I get around 6 hrs SOT, actually 6:13 atm and 15% left). Pictures are fine as well, coming from an S10+ they are sharper overall but exposure can be a bit tricky every now and then. I hope and think things will improve in future updates.
Thing is I really prefer the smaller sized phones, I mean the OP8 and P40's also look great but they are simply too big for me. The S10+ was already on the edge, can work with it but less then optimally comfortable.
Would I have rather had the SD version? Yeah
Is the exynos a reason for me to return? No
I have paid about 630 euros for it though, had I paid full price I might have judged differently and indeed returned it.
I did optimize things (96hz refresh rate, disabled some apps I don't need/use, etc) so that might have helped with battery life. No custom roms or anything though so no warranty issues.
Having S20 Exynos.
Very disappointed with S20 after a 3 weeks of use.
Very bad battery performance. looks like I have started to control my ph usage looking at the battery no's declining. hahhahaha very very funny.
phone heats up with min usage( not sure is it cause of summer or exynos. hahaha).But this is true in my case even in indoor usage.
Just few min of use can see temp raise to 37+. If use camera for more than 5 min or so. it goes above 40 & refresh rate drops to 60.
I really don’t understand what Samsung trying to do here. impose on users, who have paid hefty money for their products.
It’s been more than a month. yet we still have to go thru these. Even after their multiple updates
camera not really to Samsung mark to be (compare to previous models.no major improvements).
Only thing which makes me to use over note 10+ is 120hz. Rest not worth the price.
I don’t say the phone is bad, but not worth the upgrade for the price.
At the core I guess Samsung is aware they have screw up the S20 series using exynos.
Hope with Note 20 they will make it up to retain their fans with SD processor. If this is not going happen, then for sure ill also be one of them to say goodbye.
*very BAD*
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*very BAD*
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ideal phone will be pixel 4XL with 5000mAh battery , oh maybe it can be a little biger as s20 ultra - ideal phone to me .
buy yourself the one 8pro and you will be better off - wish id done that but rushed into the samsung phones not knowingly how **** they are this year
Thanks all.
It is strange but OnePlus's stance on the Always on Display has always really irritated me, not just that they have still not added one but mostly how they have apparently been 'working on it' like forever. It is a feature I like, not a reason to buy or not buy a phone but when all others offer it it does tip the balance. The P40 is amazing and the whole google thing is really frustrating.
I also agree that the Pixel 4 XL is REALLY close to being the best overall droid out there, slightly nicer design, brighter screen and a higher storage option and it would be IMO. On the flip side though the S20 is also REALLY close too.
Out of interest what is the best way to monitor the battery temperature in real time? I'd kind of like to test that.
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Out of interest what is the best way to monitor the battery temperature in real time? I'd kind of like to test that.
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I've used Battery Widget Reborn since my HTC Desire days, it has a widget that can be configured for battery temp.
Just put it on the screen next to Accubattery now ...
Reading alot about exynos version battery life. I have s20+ exynos 4G model. I had note 9 and I felt it had good battery life. Then I got s10+ and the battery anxiety was completely gone. And from s10+ to s20+, I feel battery life is almost the same as my s10+, on 120 hz. I dont disable anything. Using completely stock. No issues what so ever. I get 5 to 6 hrs of battery life if I use the full cycle and standby 16 to 18 hours, with 20% or so remaining.
I tend to stick to 40 to 85% cycle. Developed this habit when I had s10+ since the battery anxiety was gone. I charge twice a day, once in the morning to 85% and once in late afternoon or evening (when it hits around 40%). Not more than 25 to 30 mins each (25W charger works well). So, an hour of charging works for me easily. I think since I have the 4G model I am not getting problems most ppl are.
Also, I don't play games except for one, 2048. Two gmail, two facebook and messenger, two whatsapp, Twitter, snapchat, Instagram. All the office apps.
Camera is better than my s10+. The pictures are sharp and I am very happy with it.
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