Develop Bugs

Thermal throttling?

The German site golem.de reviewed the 6p and the 5x and said both were throttling after about 15 Minutes of playing Riptide GP 2 on full graphics setting.
Can anyone confirm this for the 5x? That's a bit unexpected for me...
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http://www.golem.de/news/nexus-5x-u...-sind-ihren-preis-nicht-wert-1511-117247.html

I think I do feel thermal throttling as I can't explain the occasional lag I'm experiencing on my N5X.
When the lag happens, it happens but when it's ok, everything is smooth and I can't reproduce the lag by using same app/same steps..etc

I've been wondering about this as well. I know the 808 doesn't suck as much power as the 810 but the thermals of the device don't seem that great: heat seems to build up in the area between fingerprint sensor and the camera and the corresponding area on the screen. The screen in particular gets really hot.
I've been playing Uprising and it does seem sluggish once the device gets toasty. The gameplay feels OK but I wonder if the game sucks a bunch of CPU in the menu/inventory screens because that part seems to slow way down.
At first I though it might be running out of RAM but my experiments indicatesit might be heat. Restarting the device didn't really improve things (after it got hot again in a few minutes) but putting the device in the freezer for a few minutes does seem to help quite a bit, I did not notice the lags while the device felt cool in my hand...
Not a huge deal for me (I don't game much on my phone and it doesn't get nearly as hot doing lighter tasks) but kind of disappointing if true and heavier gamers expecting no throttling from 808 may have been let down sadly.

gizzmoffm said:
The German site golem.de reviewed the 6p and the 5x and said both were throttling after about 15 Minutes of playing Riptide GP 2 on full graphics setting.
Can anyone confirm this for the 5x? That's a bit unexpected for me...
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http://www.golem.de/news/nexus-5x-u...-sind-ihren-preis-nicht-wert-1511-117247.html
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Where do they show that? I'm not seeing any charts or anything that would indicate a throttle test with results. Maybe they just mention it in the text which would be strange to not have an accompanying chart to show their results.
However it's not really unexpected when the same could be said for 90% of devices.
I checked CPUz after about an hour of gaming (in this case Hearthstone) and the 2 high powered cores had been disabled leaving the work to the lower powered cores. However those were reaching their full clock speed (1.4Ghz) as was the GPU (600Mhz).

thermal throttling due to battery charging seems to be a big issue for me. Especially if I'm not using the stock charger. Basic browsing using Chrome becomes laggy and unresponsive, of the keyboard will be unusable. Thankfully the battery lasts a while and the issue goes away when I'm done charging.

bblzd said:
Where do they show that? I'm not seeing any charts or anything that would indicate a throttle test with results. Maybe they just mention it in the text which would be strange to not have an accompanying chart to show their results.
However it's not really unexpected when the same could be said for 90% of devices.
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No charts, it's described in the text on the second page of the review. They also have some benchmark values.
You might have to use Google translate...

gizzmoffm said:
No charts, it's described in the text on the second page of the review. They also have some benchmark values.
You might have to use Google translate...
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Ah that's too bad. I guess I will wait for Anandtech or another site to do their performance consistency break down and comparison.

[Q] Considering on purchasing the z5 premium

As the title states I am thinking on making a purchase for the z5 premium. My question is fast forward to about a year,how has the phone been holding up on a day to day use? Heating issues still occur? Worse,same,better? Battery life has taken a a hit? Are you satisfied with whenever you've purchased the z5 premium from day 1 at launch or recent purchase? How's the image quality on the camera performance? Any other info on how the z5 premium is doing since you purchased it is greatly appreciated. Thanks

Im completely happy with the phone performance, bought in November 2015 (just when launched). Battery still good, if I dont game too much, almost two days depending if at home with wifi or at work with 4g and elevators (loss of signal) several times a day, but always at least the whole day. It heats only with 3D heavy games or during the summer if you use it a lot outside, but always usable. Video recording stopped once while driving in a mountain road because of the sun, at summer. I recommend the phone and a case because I broke the display with a small drop (search for my post for further explanation xD). The camera is very good for the use I give to it
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Im completely happy with the phone performance, bought in November 2015 (just when launched). Battery still good, if I dont game too much, almost two days depending if at home with wifi or at work with 4g and elevators (loss of signal) several times a day, but always at least the whole day. It heats only with 3D heavy games or during the summer if you use it a lot outside, but always usable. Video recording stopped once while driving in a mountain road because of the sun, at summer. I recommend the phone and a case because I broke the display with a small drop (search for my post for further explanation xD). The camera is very good for the use I give to it
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Thank you for the info. Sounds good I will probably be going forward with the purchase. Only thing that gets me worried is using the phone outside in the sun as you said it's gets hot. I live in vegas so it gets pretty got here lol but luckily it's already cooling down so i should be okay.

I too am considering buying it..what is the screen on time ? And how fast is the charging and fingerprint reader ?

The Screen on time, today for example has been 3 hours and 3/4 of the battery gone, but I've moving in the car and using 4G data a lot, so other days it is higher (I usually don't look a it, I'm happy just if the phone reaches the end of the day after high usage because I don't watch a lot of videos or movies, but I turn the screen on a lot of times due to instant messaging). I don't like the screen very dim during the day and I've it always above 50%, so it last less for me than for others I think.
The charging is fast, it comes with a fast charger but not the fastest available, and the battery comes to 60-70% quite fast (I haven't measured the time taken), and from 90-100 it takes a lot more time, but I think this is normal for such big batteries. When charging from low percentages, you have the feeling that it is going quite fast.
The fingerprint reader works really cool and fast, as long as you have it clean and no sweat in the fingers. In summer I've had to clean the sensor (with the t-shirt for example) and/or the fingers due to high temperatures (above 40º in Spain a lot of days), but in a more "normal" wheather and environment, it usually works always at first try, I'm very satisfied with it.
About getting hot, it does but the phone always works and you only feel it very very warm after gaming with heavy games for a while. For the normal use of the phone usually it is comfortable to use althoug you can feel it warm if using Google Maps or similar things outside when its hot. The heat usually can be felt in the back, and if you hold it on the sides you don't notice. I sense the screen hot when using a racing game called Real Racing 3, and as you control the game with the fingers if you desire, after a while the screen becomes very hot. No other scenario have made the phone really hot.
I've to add that the screen is very very nice, the definition and max brightness are superb. When viewing 4K content, if you compare with the same image at 1080, you notice the details, and 4K video seems complete real. I recommend watching this sample http://4ksamples.com/4k-chimei-inn-60mbps/.
The sound is very cool, when on noisy enviroments the volume it is not very high, but the double front speakers sounds very nice even for music (no metal can sound).
I hope I've answered you doubts

My SOT is around 5 hours, but that's with screen dimmed.
I don't think it's terrible, but it's short, but I'm always considering this phone being 4k sceen, we have no choice.
It's just good feeling to have 4k view capable phone. It could also be smallest 4k screen now?

ifilgud said:
I've to add that the screen is very very nice, the definition and max brightness are superb. When viewing 4K content, if you compare with the same image at 1080, you notice the details, and 4K video seems complete real. I recommend watching this sample http://4ksamples.com/4k-chimei-inn-60mbps/.
I hope I've answered you doubts
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Do you feel screen is better than a regular full HD screen when comparing with other phones?

I can compare it with a S6 and S7 because of relatives that have those and I don't see differences (apart from excessive colors of Samsung phones). You won't be able to see any pixel, the angles are almost 180º and the brigthness is very high (only in the street with a high sun you will have problems, like any other phone) and the low limit for the night is great also.

Moving from Galaxy S7

So my Galaxy S7 is water damaged, and I need a phone to last for me for approximately another year. Would moving to the Nexus 5X be a good choice? It would save me some money if I get this instead of the OnePlus 3, which doesn't have warranty as it is sold third party only.

AB__CD said:
So my Galaxy S7 is water damaged, and I need a phone to last for me for approximately another year. Would moving to the Nexus 5X be a good choice? It would save me some money if I get this instead of the OnePlus 3, which doesn't have warranty as it is sold third party only.
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do it, you won't regret it. its a device powered by Google, so there is a great support from all points of view, including instant Android updates. also, there is a strong community.

ulxerker said:
do it, you won't regret it. its a device powered by Google, so there is a great support from all points of view, including instant Android updates. also, there is a strong community.
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Do you think I'd see any noticeable battery or performance drop?

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Do you think I'd see any noticeable battery or performance drop?
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I've never used an S7, but you'll likely notice a drop in both. Depending on what you do, you'll definItely notice a difference in performance when this phone heats up. If you play games often, you'll notice it. If you live in a warm climate, you'll notice it. The CPU throttles aggressively after a certain temperature or below about 20% battery charge. I still think it's a solid phone, especially with the software and dev community. I just know it has limits and they can be deal breakers.
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SlimSnoopOS said:
I've never used an S7, but you'll likely notice a drop in both. Depending on what you do, you'll definItely notice a difference in performance when this phone heats up. If you play games often, you'll notice it. If you live in a warm climate, you'll notice it. The CPU throttles aggressively after a certain temperature or below about 20% battery charge. I still think it's a solid phone, especially with the software and dev community. I just know it has limits and they can be deal breakers.
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My main workload primarily consists of Snapchat, Instagram and a few casual games, but I do live in a very warm climate, all year round.

AB__CD said:
My main workload primarily consists of Snapchat, Instagram and a few casual games, but I do live in a very warm climate, all year round.
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I notice the thermal throttling every time I go outside (checking with EXKM) however I only travel and use Google Maps when the weather is the warmest each day. I'm not doing much else in high heat since I work indoors. If I worked outdoors, I'd probably hate this phone lol The phone runs fine when you don't expose it to too much heat.
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I notice the thermal throttling every time I go outside (checking with EXKM) however I only travel and use Google Maps when the weather is the warmest each day. I'm not doing much else in high heat since I work indoors. If I worked outdoors, I'd probably hate this phone lol The phone runs fine when you don't expose it to too much heat.
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To be honest, I don't use it much when outside, but somehow I have la penchant for making cool phones run hot. Even the GS7 runs hot when doing not much more than web browsing.

AB__CD said:
To be honest, I don't use it much when outside, but somehow I have la penchant for making cool phones run hot. Even the GS7 runs hot when doing not much more than web browsing.
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Ha, I'd say go for it but measure your expectations. SOT hovers around 2-4 hours for most people, I'd say average. Throttling is an issue but one you can tweak somewhat through guides. Speaker volume is weak but can be tweaked if you install a custom kernel. My complaints are: speaker volume, throttling, and desire for a larger battery. I just web browse, text, surf XDA, and use Google Maps. It's a plastic phone which doesn't bother me, but it may bother you coming from a metal phone. It's a solid phone overall. Plus, we get updates quickly.
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SlimSnoopOS said:
Ha, I'd say go for it but measure your expectations. SOT hovers around 2-4 hours for most people, I'd say average. Throttling is an issue but one you can tweak somewhat through guides. Speaker volume is weak but can be tweaked if you install a custom kernel. My complaints are: speaker volume, throttling, and desire for a larger battery. I just web browse, text, surf XDA, and use Google Maps. It's a plastic phone which doesn't bother me, but it may bother you coming from a metal phone. It's a solid phone overall. Plus, we get updates quickly.
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Plastic doesn't really bother me, build quality comes dead last to me in a list of priorities, as I always put my phone in a case anyway. Battery life is what concerns me the most, and the fact that it uses USB C instead of micro further adds insult to injury. The update speed does tempt me though...

AB__CD said:
Plastic doesn't really bother me, build quality comes dead last to me in a list of priorities, as I always put my phone in a case anyway. Battery life is what concerns me the most, and the fact that it uses USB C instead of micro further adds insult to injury. The update speed does tempt me though...
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Thankfully the adjustment to USB C is easier now though than it was at release. Fast updates are the best thing about a Nexus
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Question Bad overheating on 4g gaming

Playing cod on lowest getting with high frame rate 60hz only though, phone gets so so warm then the GPU throttles like crazy and causes very bad lagging and frame drops, doesn't happen on WiFi, runs cool and smooth, what's up with this 4g modem?

kevinireland11 said:
Playing cod on lowest getting with high frame rate 60hz only though, phone gets so so warm then the GPU throttles like crazy and causes very bad lagging and frame drops, doesn't happen on WiFi, runs cool and smooth, what's up with this 4g modem?
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This article here might interest you
Google Tensor SoC And Pixel 6 Benchmarks Show Google’s Intentions For Building Its Own SoC
Senior Analyst, Mobility & VR, Anshel Sag, dives deeper as Google claimed that nobody in the market was creating chips that satisfied Google’s needs for AI performance, so they created their own and I’ve had an opportunity to test the Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro’s tensor SoC.
www.forbes.com
"As you can sort of tell from the graph, the Pixel 6 Pro throttled its GPU performance by over 50% at 58.3% while the Pixel 6 throttled at a more moderate 45%. The other Snapdragon 888 devices throttled anywhere from 24 to 36%. However, the Pixel 5 only throttled by 0.7% and the Redmagic 6S Pro with its active cooling only throttled an equally impressive 1%. To me, this means that Google’s GPU performance, while initially impressive, does have issues with longer term use and isn’t really viable for anything other than limited bursty GPU workloads. This means that gaming performance on the Pixel 6 Pro is worse than most of the flagship phones and the Pixel 6 is roughly on par."
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I really struggle to find the perfect overall android phone, I realllly don't wanna move to an iPhone but there a solid solid phone, hopefully Google can fix these issues, I really wanna like this phone.

Google will probably fix the throttling issues by lowering coreclocks all together, but in the end Tensor is probably just not good enough in terms of efficiency/temps to satisfy a hardcore/gaming user.
I'm afraid the P6 comes as close to the perfect overall android phone as it can get, even though it still lacks in some departments. There might be some alternatives in terms of pure gaming performance, but they will lack in other departments, meaning overall they will (aswell) not satisfy.

kevinireland11 said:
Playing cod on lowest getting with high frame rate 60hz only though, phone gets so so warm then the GPU throttles like crazy and causes very bad lagging and frame drops, doesn't happen on WiFi, runs cool and smooth, what's up with this 4g modem?
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Yeah its bad, also the touch sensitivity is way off. For me it feels like playing a new game even though i have played since season 1. It is hard to aim, hard to move, sometimes it wont recognize my touch. i dont know if you play battle royal, but whenever i open the map, it takes me like 5 tries to click the little X to close it.

clipdawg05 said:
Yeah its bad, also the touch sensitivity is way off. For me it feels like playing a new game even though i have played since season 1. It is hard to aim, hard to move, sometimes it wont recognize my touch. i dont know if you play battle royal, but whenever i open the map, it takes me like 5 tries to click the little X to close it.
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I only play BR, I know what you mean yeah, add me, ... vitazade
It's completely unplayable using 4g, it's mad heat and it drops to like 10-20fps lol can only use it on wifi

kevinireland11 said:
I only play BR, I know what you mean yeah, add me, ... vitazade
It's completely unplayable using 4g, it's mad heat and it drops to like 10-20fps lol can only use it on wifi
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hey, as of this morning for some reason the game wont start for me. Do you have the same problem?

clipdawg05 said:
hey, as of this morning for some reason the game wont start for me. Do you have the same problem?
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Just checked there, seems to be ok for me, really weird, sometimes you get good performance sometimes bad, can't wait for these system updates!

Question Oneplus 11 overheating / poor gaming performance

Just got my Oneplus 11 CPH2451 on the A09 build and I'm seemingly running into quite a bit of overheating on the device. Wondering if anyone else is running into the same issue.
From all accounts and various reviews this phone is suppose to run fairly cool especially with the 8 Gen 2 chipsets. But it heats up just booting up (cpu hitting 70+ degrees) and will feel pretty warm to the touch.
Gaming wise, running Brawlstars, which shouldn't be a graphic intensive game, for prolongs periods of time (15 mins+) will cause the cpu to hit 80+ degrees and battery to 40+ with the phone getting visibly hot and starting to thermal throttle. Even before that kicks in, game will frequently experience bouts of fps drops from 100+ to 60 and this is with forced 120Hz turned on.
I've tried resetting the phone and going back to A06 build and still experience the same overheating problem. Tried various geekbench and wildlife benchmark and it is getting comparative scores as other reviews so the phone should be peforming up to par.
All this is coming from an OP8T with the nameless rom which runs the game super smooth and does not heat up crazily like the OP11. This makes it all the more frustrating as the newer phone with the newer chipset seems to perform worse across the board. In many ways it seems like OOS13 is just poorly optimized and a better kernel and OS will fix the problem.
Also tried the same game on S23U (same 8 Gen 2 chipset) and it ran as cool as a cucumber.
A quick google search does not net much overheating issues on the OP11 so I'm wondering if this is specific to my device.
Anyone suggestions as to how to alleviate the problem would be greatly appreciated.

Return it as defective and get another.

EtherealRemnant said:
Return it as defective and get another.
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unfortunately I took the chance and bought the phone locally at a much cheaper price so a return is not possible.

verxolois said:
unfortunately I took the chance and bought the phone locally at a much cheaper price so a return is not possible.
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Well it sounds like you have a defective vapor chamber with temps that high unless your ambient is quite high too so see if you can file a warranty claim.

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Well it sounds like you have a defective vapor chamber with temps that high unless your ambient is quite high too so see if you can file a warranty claim.
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thats a bummer but how often do vapor chamber become defective especially on a new device? Will try to file a warranty claim but might be hard as its not purchased directly through oneplus and lacking receipt as well.

verxolois said:
thats a bummer but how often do vapor chamber become defective especially on a new device? Will try to file a warranty claim but might be hard as its not purchased directly through oneplus and lacking receipt as well.
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Vapor chambers can be defective straight from the factory. Just ask AMD 7900XTX owners dealing with the issue on their new $1K+ video cards.

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Vapor chambers can be defective straight from the factory. Just ask AMD 7900XTX owners dealing with the issue on their new $1K+ video cards.
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I've heard that too on the 7900 but its the first time I heard about it on a mobile device, hence am wondering how gaming performance are faring for others with OP11.

verxolois said:
Just got my Oneplus 11 CPH2451 on the A09 build and I'm seemingly running into quite a bit of overheating on the device. Wondering if anyone else is running into the same issue.
From all accounts and various reviews this phone is suppose to run fairly cool especially with the 8 Gen 2 chipsets. But it heats up just booting up (cpu hitting 70+ degrees) and will feel pretty warm to the touch.
Gaming wise, running Brawlstars, which shouldn't be a graphic intensive game, for prolongs periods of time (15 mins+) will cause the cpu to hit 80+ degrees and battery to 40+ with the phone getting visibly hot and starting to thermal throttle. Even before that kicks in, game will frequently experience bouts of fps drops from 100+ to 60 and this is with forced 120Hz turned on.
I've tried resetting the phone and going back to A06 build and still experience the same overheating problem. Tried various geekbench and wildlife benchmark and it is getting comparative scores as other reviews so the phone should be peforming up to par.
All this is coming from an OP8T with the nameless rom which runs the game super smooth and does not heat up crazily like the OP11. This makes it all the more frustrating as the newer phone with the newer chipset seems to perform worse across the board. In many ways it seems like OOS13 is just poorly optimized and a better kernel and OS will fix the problem.
Also tried the same game on S23U (same 8 Gen 2 chipset) and it ran as cool as a cucumber.
A quick google search does not net much overheating issues on the OP11 so I'm wondering if this is specific to my device.
Anyone suggestions as to how to alleviate the problem would be greatly appreciated.
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80° cpu and 40° battery temp when you play
But let's ask how warm it is in your area (ask them because, for example, many people from India complain but do not take into account that it is sometimes 38-40c° warm in India, which means that the battery and cell phone in general are already very warm and thus much earlier the thermal engine throttles because there is not much air left)

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80° cpu and 40° battery temp when you play
But let's ask how warm it is in your area (ask them because, for example, many people from India complain but do not take into account that it is sometimes 38-40c° warm in India, which means that the battery and cell phone in general are already very warm and thus much earlier the thermal engine throttles because there is not much air left)
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This is in LA, so around 50-70 F or 10-20C. CPU runs at fairly okay temperature around 30-40C for normal day to day use (texting, redditing...). It's just a stark contrast from my OP8T or S23U since I pretty much don't notice those phones heating up but with OP11 I can consistently feel it gets warm.

My experience has been that this phone stays cool all the time no matter what I am doing.. Even Genshin maxed out.

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Vapor chambers can be defective straight from the factory. Just ask AMD 7900XTX owners dealing with the issue on their new $1K+ video cards.
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Vapor chamber is used to spread heat. It is not some magic material which makes heat disappear.

whoamanwtf said:
My experience has been that this phone stays cool all the time no matter what I am doing.. Even Genshin maxed out.
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Thanks for sharing! I was able to get my hands on a second OP11, ran brawlstars on it and the phone heats up almost exactly the same way with similar temperature measurements. Maybe the game is just poorly optimized on OOS13.
Also tried transferring apps and data over and CPU hit over 70+ degrees as well. Looks like the temps im seeing is normal unless somehow I got my hands on back to back defective units.

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Thanks for sharing! I was able to get my hands on a second OP11, ran brawlstars on it and the phone heats up almost exactly the same way with similar temperature measurements. Maybe the game is just poorly optimized on OOS13.
Also tried transferring apps and data over and CPU hit over 70+ degrees as well. Looks like the temps im seeing is normal unless somehow I got my hands on back to back defective units.
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The best solution i can give u is to buy a peltier cooler i.e Oneplus 18W freezing point, Oneplus 11 has a very good passive cooling and with a good peltier you wont have such issues
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thanks for the solution but dont think i do enough serious gaming on the phone to warrant a cooler. Just a bit disappointed and surprised at the overheating and throttling despite oneplus touting it having one of the better cooling systems out there. Since it happened on both OP11 I got my hands on, I'm going to attribute this to more of a software than hardware issue as other phones with same chipsets don't seem to have overheating problems.