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[Q] Why is the performance so poor?

I don't understand how a phone so powerful can run so poorly. Often times it may take up to 5 seconds to respond to input and is extremely laggy. My friends iPhone 4 is more responsive and it is kind of embarrassing when I am always talking so highly of Android devices, and a 2 year device with incredibly inferior specs is outperforming a brand new high-end phone. There also seems to be an enormous lack of development. I am really starting to regret purchasing this phone.

fmedina2 said:
I don't understand how a phone so powerful can run so poorly. Often times it may take up to 5 seconds to respond to input and is extremely laggy. My friends iPhone 4 is more responsive and it is kind of embarrassing when I am always talking so highly of Android devices, and a 2 year device with incredibly inferior specs is outperforming a brand new high-end phone. There also seems to be an enormous lack of development. I am really starting to regret purchasing this phone.
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I agree that G3 performance is bad. Its because the system in chip had to draw all the extra pixels of a QHD display. It causes lag and slowness everywhere.
The QHD display needs a more powerful system on chip.

androiduser991 said:
I agree that G3 performance is bad. Its because the system in chip had to draw all the extra pixels of a QHD display. It causes lag and slowness everywhere.
The QHD display needs a more powerful system on chip.
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Its got nothing to do with the QHD screen. The processor is more than capable of rendering QHD in 2D, even 4K wouldnt be a problem.
The problem is LG have very badly optimised the software. The latest revisions are much much faster, Im using v10J and everything is instant. We went through the same problems with the G2.

ChrisM75 said:
Its got nothing to do with the QHD screen. The processor is more than capable of rendering QHD in 2D, even 4K wouldnt be a problem.
The problem is LG have very badly optimised the software. The latest revisions are much much faster, Im using v10J and everything is instant. We went through the same problems with the G2.
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Have to disagree,I see no improvement with 10j. Its very obvious the 801 is maxed out.

androiduser991 said:
Have to disagree,I see no improvement with 10j. Its very obvious the 801 is maxed out.
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Just curious because I genuinely want to know. What do you base this on? Have you used some software that monitors the CPU usage and seen it constantly run at 100%?

fmedina2 said:
Just curious because I genuinely want to know. What do you base this on? Have you used some software that monitors the CPU usage and seen it constantly run at 100%?
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I've seen it happen on old phones of mine that tried to render 1080 but struggled. You get the stutter effect and frame rate dropping because it can't draw it quickly enough. This is a good comparison video too of the more powerful 805 chip Vs the 801 chip
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YCpcEtokiJ0

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androiduser991 said:
I've seen it happen on old phones of mine that tried to render 1080 but struggled. You get the stutter effect and frame rate dropping because it can't draw it quickly enough. This is a good comparison video too of the more powerful 805 chip Vs the 801 chip
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YCpcEtokiJ0
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Clearly thats not the case since I have absolutely zero lag. Its a fact that the GPU isnt stressed in 2D by the QHD, it doesnt even throttle past 330mhz. The 801 is rated for 4K, and only then limited by bandwidth rather than raw power.
Its all about the LG software. It will improve.

I have zero lag with my processor downclocked to 1.5ghz and 200 mhz GPU
So all this QHD resolution causing lag is complete BS and trolling.
Sent from my LG Gangster 3

androiduser991 said:
Have to disagree,I see no improvement with 10j. Its very obvious the 801 is maxed out.
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This chip is not maxed out at all, let's not spread false information please. LG needs to optimize the software for the phone to run correctly. I have enabled 60fps on my phone, and the thing flies now. No lag while scrolling, or while gamingto speak of. The chip has no problems with the resolution.
The thing with Iphone is the way it's set up, Android has more things working in the background eating up ram/etc, that's why optimization is so important. Put an 801 chip into the Iphone, which has MUCH less things running in the background by default, and I guarantee you that the phone will run much faster than with the A7 chip.
Also, rogue apps that are not optimized correctly can also cause serious lag. I recently had the HTC One M8, which ran beautifully, until I downloaded a rogue app that was eating up ram when not in use, and my phone was lagging like crazy.
So it's not really fair to compare android with ios's speed, because all Iphone devices work the same way, and use the same chip. While on Android, there are many factors and apps that can interfere with the OS. Any true Android fan should know how these things work..you can customize the phone to your liking, but you also have to deal with rogue apps and ram issues sometimes.

Have to agree that the 801 struggles with 2k, use a 1080 801 flagship and you'll see the difference. The frame rate on some games is poor in the G3 compared to 1080 801 phones and that's nothing to do with software. The QHD is also power hungry and runs hotter and thermal throttles the CPU more.

ChrisM75 said:
Clearly thats not the case since I have absolutely zero lag. Its a fact that the GPU isnt stressed in 2D by the QHD, it doesnt even throttle past 330mhz. The 801 is rated for 4K, and only then limited by bandwidth rather than raw power.
Its all about the LG software. It will improve.
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Exactly, this chip is more then capable of running the high resolution on the G3. LG should have taken the time to calibrate the software to run better, but the newer updates going around are based off of the info here from XDA users.The default battery saving technique to dynamically adjust the fps/etc only saves a little more batter, but is not worth the tradeoff of a stuttering device. LG should have put in a bigger battery and increased the phone size a little instead of setting up the phone the way it currently is. People are too obsessed with thin phones now-a-days, I prefer a little bulk with MUCH better battery life!
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Also, just to add on to the info that the 801 cannot handle the 2K resolution, which is false..I had the HTC One M8, which oddly stuttered like crazy when playing Asphalt 8, and a few other highly graphical games, but ran smooth as butter when scrolling through apps/etc. However, my G3 has Zero problems now running the same games. So clearly, it's more at play than just the 801. It's more about optimization/etc.

I have pretty much zero lag, the only stutter I see is when pulling down the notification bar, but that happens literally every time I do it. Anybody experiencing the same? Rooted 32gb D855 10g.

Horcza said:
I have pretty much zero lag, the only stutter I see is when pulling down the notification bar, but that happens literally every time I do it. Anybody experiencing the same? Rooted 32gb D855 10g.
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I had that happen to me every now and then, until I switched from Dalvik to ART. Now I have zero lag when using the notification bar. Try that and see if it helps.

MRCANNADY said:
I had that happen to me every now and then, until I switched from Dalvik to ART. Now I have zero lag when using the notification bar. Try that and see if it helps.
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Thanks, but I'm using Xposed framework and as far as I know, it's not ART compatible yet :/ I'll keep it ind mind, though.

MRCANNADY said:
I have enabled 60fps on my phone, and the thing flies now. No lag while scrolling, or while gamingto speak of. The chip has no problems with the resolution.
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@MRCANNADY how can i enable the 60fps? i read about some people saying this but i didnt find anything about how to do this, can you help me?
sorry about my english..brazilian here

To give you an idea of the advances LG will likely make I recently flashed my G2 back to the original ROM. It was terrible, laggy, jittery, horrible camera lag. I then updated to the latest. Smooth, lag free, faster camera, totally reliable. This will happen for the G3 to.
QHD has nothing to do with the issues at all. Its quite clear LG released this phone in almost a panic about heat and battery life, with so many unnecessary measures taken. I disabled quite a lot of them and its smooth and the battery lasts longer than any phone ive had before, even my G2. I wonder if half the screens issues are due to LG undervolting it. Most mods for other devices undervolt the screen to save power, I want to try the opposite.

Horcza said:
Thanks, but I'm using Xposed framework and as far as I know, it's not ART compatible yet :/ I'll keep it ind mind, though.
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Oh yes, it's not compatible as of now. ART really does make a difference in how the phone works though. It's actually the first time that I have seen how beneficial ART is. Question, do you have any widgets in your notification shade/etc? You could also try using the Nova launcher and see if that helps.
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luisfillipe said:
@MRCANNADY how can i enable the 60fps? i read about some people saying this but i didnt find anything about how to do this, can you help me?
sorry about my english..brazilian here
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Hello there
Follow the instructions below. Also, scroll down to Dynamic LCD refresh On/Off, and select disable. Then under Fixed FPS test, select 60FPS, reboot and enjoy!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g3/general/mod-root-rid-lag-g3-t2819365

ChrisM75 said:
Its got nothing to do with the QHD screen. The processor is more than capable of rendering QHD in 2D, even 4K wouldnt be a problem.
The problem is LG have very badly optimised the software. The latest revisions are much much faster, Im using v10J and everything is instant. We went through the same problems with the G2.
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So what about non d855 users. I have the T mobile variant and it seems we are waiting on Android L for an update as there hasnt been any incremental performance updates. I agree the software is not all it could be.

I use Nova launcher and don't see any lag.
When I was using the stock launcher, I thought that I would see some delay here and there, But I wasn't really sure if it was the phone or me believing what other people were writing.
But I did use the settings in the linked post and it seemed to make the stock launcher much faster. I do not know if it will affect your issue.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=54122500&postcount=1509

Overclocking of LG G4

Hi everybody,
I want to know if we can overclock our Snapdragon 808 to 2GHz (ARM A72 cores) with a modified kernel.
Also, If somebody is going to work on this challenge.
Thanks!!

Androsesp said:
Hi everybody,
I want to know if we can overclock our Snapdragon 808 to 2GHz (ARM A72 cores) with a modified kernel.
Also, If somebody is going to work on this challenge.
Thanks!!
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A57 cluster, probably yes. I'm also working on a kernel, but I intensely dislike Overclocking because it isn't all that useful. The key to performance is with optimisation, not with raw power. So I'm most likely not going to include it, sorry.

What about underclocking and/or undervolting?
I think performance is good enough as it is, but would like to get better battery life.

I would like to be able to undervolt in order to relieve the bugging high temp warning. This phone rarely uses max performance. So, overclocking is not really a priority. Maybe a custom hotplug.

Crappy cpu. No point messing with it.
Sent from my A0001

GUGUITOMTG4 said:
I would like to be able to undervolt in order to relieve the bugging high temp warning. This phone rarely uses max performance. So, overclocking is not really a priority. Maybe a custom hotplug.
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Hotplugging has been dropped not long ago. You'd basically need to reinvent it. Plus it costs more power than it would save

And what about undervolting to prevent excessive heat, @mythos234?

yea i guess undervolting is the only benefit here coz 2 ghz wont be hard to achieve but getting that overheating msg sooner aint worth it...
next thing u know is accessory back plates with mini fans to keep the phone cool...
seriously tho what good is the extra power for ? the phone is already fast with the correct setup (not that i saw any lag when it was stock)

anyone knows how to see the cpu binning in this phone?

oile said:
And what about undervolting to prevent excessive heat, @mythos234?
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Excessive Heat?

mythos234 said:
Excessive Heat?
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A number of people have gotten over-temperature messages, sometimes with the phones even shutting down.
This has been reported with using navigation, I believe, and I know people have reported it when shooting video. High screen brightness is likely a contributor. But there are examples of the phones running too warm.
Personally, I'd be more interested in cooler running, and longer battery life, rather than increased peak performance. So underclocking, if anything.

Well, the overclocking is not necessary, but is an opportunity to know the limits of the chipset. Moreover, with it we could know if we can make undervolting to our phones and make it more battery efficient with an underclocking kernel, when we need it.

RedOCtobyr said:
A number of people have gotten over-temperature messages, sometimes with the phones even shutting down.
This has been reported with using navigation, I believe, and I know people have reported it when shooting video. High screen brightness is likely a contributor. But there are examples of the phones running too warm.
Personally, I'd be more interested in cooler running, and longer battery life, rather than increased peak performance. So underclocking, if anything.
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Happens to me too when gaming. The problem I observe is that Indeed, it is not excessive heat. But LG thinks otherwise.
You can actually underclock using Kernel Auditor and disable cores. Unless you meant Undervolting.

mythos234 said:
Excessive Heat?
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Wanna check out periscope and comment back ? Atleast I know that app will push the phone to its limits.
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Currently using Kernel Adiutor to disable both A57 cores and the phone screen does not heat up like before... Battery life has improved from what i saw yersterday. Continuing testing today. Only problem i have is the damn phone will enable one of the A57 cores after a while which i dont like. I need my settings to stick.
Any Kernel Dev know which files are causing this? Tab 3 had something like this but a couple of files changed solved the non sticking settings on cpu.
Overclocking/underclocking sure but just disabling cores would work for most.
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mythos234 said:
Excessive Heat?
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lol, you're funny.

marcadam said:
lol, you're funny.
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I haven't had any popups or heat related reboots, so I was wondering what the matter is here.
On every phone I see complaints over heat so I wondered if something is to it here or if it's the usual. And if there are overheating warnings and shutdowns, then there might be indeed something in the bush.

Try charging your phone in the car whilst using google maps to get to an important meeting, and then take a call just for good measure............and boom, there you have your own little meltdown.

marcadam said:
Try charging your phone in the car whilst using google maps to get to an important meeting, and then take a call just for good measure............and boom, there you have your own little meltdown.
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That happens on every phone I ever had though. It's advised to not use a device while charging at all, so if you stress it to 120% while charging, of course it heats up..

@mythos234 is a pleasure to have you here (speaking as xiaomi mi2s owner too xD)
What Temps do you reach using cpu intensive apps?

Benchmark scores.

Why does the pixel xl benchmark so much lower then other devices even with the newer snapdragon 821. It's single core and muticore scores are quite a bit lower then say a device with the same ram and snapdragon 820.

I think google is playing it ultra-ultra safe on this phone and underclocking it.
If they start having serious issues like the Note7, on their very first Pixel phone, it would destroy the product line.
My theory anyways.
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dermotti said:
I think google is playing it ultra-ultra safe on this phone and underclocking it.
If they start having serious issues like the Note7, on their very first Pixel phone, it would destroy the product line.
My theory anyways.
Sent from my KIW-L24 using Tapatalk
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I was thinking the same thing hopefully they will update the kernel later down the line. Or once we can root and flash a different kernel and reclock it hopefully will see an improvement.

Kombat wombat said:
I was thinking the same thing hopefully they will update the kernel later down the line. Or once we can root and flash a different kernel and reclock it hopefully will see an improvement.
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You do know there's 2 kernels out already just need to flash with adb

jaythenut said:
You do know there's 2 kernels out already just need to flash with adb
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I've seen one but I didn't know there were two. I was going to wait until a recovery and root were available for it before I start flashing kernels.

There's 2 different versions of the SD821. There's a performance version which is what you'll see in the new Xiaomi phones, Asus Zen Deluxe phones, and the Leco. They have 2 cores clocked at 2.4ghz and 2 cores clocked at 2.2ghz. There is then the efficiency version, which powers the Pixel phones. Their clusters are clocked exactly at the same speed as the SD820.
According to Qualcomm, on version gives you 5-10% more performance and the other gives you 5-10% efficiency. Google has chosen the efficiency version. However after seeing a few Pixel battery tests, it lasts one hour more than the Nexus 6P which is great, but it's still not in the league of phones like the Samsung S7, S7E, and the dearly departed Note 7. Those 3 phones had the regular SD820 and last much longer than the Pixels.

TransportedMan said:
There's 2 different versions of the SD821. There's a performance version which is what you'll see in the new Xiaomi phones, Asus Zen Deluxe phones, and the Leco. They have 2 cores clocked at 2.4ghz and 2 cores clocked at 2.2ghz. There is then the efficiency version, which powers the Pixel phones. Their clusters are clocked exactly at the same speed as the SD820.
According to Qualcomm, on version gives you 5-10% more performance and the other gives you 5-10% efficiency. Google has chosen the efficiency version. However after seeing a few Pixel battery tests, it lasts one hour more than the Nexus 6P which is great, but it's still not in the league of phones like the Samsung S7, S7E, and the dearly departed Note 7. Those 3 phones had the regular SD820 and last much longer than the Pixels.
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Did you see my battery results? I got 5hr sot using Waze and streaming Alex Jones app the whole time. I did this test driving from Chicago to St Louis. Not only that my reception was garbage and I got those results.
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TransportedMan said:
There's 2 different versions of the SD821. There's a performance version which is what you'll see in the new Xiaomi phones, Asus Zen Deluxe phones, and the Leco. They have 2 cores clocked at 2.4ghz and 2 cores clocked at 2.2ghz. There is then the efficiency version, which powers the Pixel phones. Their clusters are clocked exactly at the same speed as the SD820.
According to Qualcomm, on version gives you 5-10% more performance and the other gives you 5-10% efficiency. Google has chosen the efficiency version. However after seeing a few Pixel battery tests, it lasts one hour more than the Nexus 6P which is great, but it's still not in the league of phones like the Samsung S7, S7E, and the dearly departed Note 7. Those 3 phones had the regular SD820 and last much longer than the Pixels.
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I thought it was the same processor just clocked at different speeds out the box, I could be wrong though.

Kombat wombat said:
I thought it was the same processor just clocked at different speeds out the box, I could be wrong though.
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Many people did and thought Google was just underclocking the chip but it was revealed there's two versions of the chip, Google has the efficiency version. In fact, XDA wrote an article about it about a week ago go check.

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Many people did and thought Google was just underclocking the chip but it was revealed there's two versions of the chip, Google has the efficiency version. In fact, XDA wrote an article about it about a week ago go check.
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So basically we are stuck with a under clocked version that really sucks.

TransportedMan said:
Many people did and thought Google was just underclocking the chip but it was revealed there's two versions of the chip, Google has the efficiency version. In fact, XDA wrote an article about it about a week ago go check.
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I can't seem to find the XDA article can you link it please.

Kombat wombat said:
I can't seem to find the XDA article can you link it please.
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http://www.xda-developers.com/a-loo...he-snapdragon-821-in-the-google-pixel-phones/

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http://www.xda-developers.com/a-loo...he-snapdragon-821-in-the-google-pixel-phones/
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Many thanks.

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So basically we are stuck with a under clocked version that really sucks.
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It is not underclocked. It is just more energy efficient at the same clock as the 820. If it bothers you, just wait a little bit and I promise you that you will be able to OC it with a custom kernel. Then you can enjoy faster battery drain with absolutely no perceivable difference in performance.

Irrelevant number. This is the smoothest Android phone I've ever owned. That number can't tell you what the experience is like. Other phones have a higher score but run like crap. The phone was created to be an all-round performer. Not blow up in your hand like the Samsung M80.
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X10D3 said:
Irrelevant number. This is the smoothest Android phone I've ever owned. That number can't tell you what the experience is like. Other phones have a higher score but run like crap. The phone was created to be an all-round performer. Not blow up in your hand like the Samsung M80.
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You know what your right, I can't fault the smoothness of the pixel, and true to form it is laggless and buttery smooth. I think I got carried away for a bit with benchmark scores and Numbers.

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Then you can enjoy faster battery drain with absolutely no perceivable difference in performance.
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lol. +1 for this point. I think people get too caught up in drag racing their phones with benchmarks. If it runs smooth I don't care what clock speed it is or what benchmark number is outputs.

CPU thermal throttling under heavy usage

Can someone run a long CPU throttling test on this phone to see how heavily it scales as heat builds? The only test I've found online is https://3dnews.ru/assets/external/illustrations/2019/05/27/988154/sm.throttle_1.400.jpg, and it's pretty bad. I've seem comments about how this is one of the hottest 855 devices, and I dunno if you can use some software workarond like on some Xiaomi phones.
The test above was done using https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=skynet.cputhrottlingtest.
I've been looking for a strong phone to run emulators and my picks where either this or the Xiaomi 9T/K20 series. Screen, camera and development edged me towards this phone, but if it can barely sustain a gaming session then it's no good.

When I got mine I used it as a hotspot for 4 days while waiting for the flipcase I had ordered.
I was running both the 2.4G and 5G wifi hotspots at the same time, with a laptop and several other devices using it, and I also used it normally at the same time and even ran some benchmarks like Antutu, and it only got lukewarm at most.
Of course I have the E30 model with 12GB ram, which probably helps keep it cooler.
I'm still on Android 9 if that matters.

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When I got mine I used it as a hotspot for 4 days while waiting for the flipcase I had ordered.
I was running both the 2.4G and 5G wifi hotspots at the same time, with a laptop and several other devices using it, and I also used it normally at the same time and even ran some benchmarks like Antutu, and it only got lukewarm at most.
Of course I have the E30 model with 12GB ram, which probably helps keep it cooler.
I'm still on Android 9 if that matters.
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I found various results on Antutu and similar apps, but that only says about burst usage. If that image I linked is correct, after a few minutes the processor clock falls drastically.
If you don't mind please run the app I linked and print the result here. The default time is 15 minutes, but if you can manage a longer test I would appreciate. Of course you'll need to leave the phone resting during that time, so keep that in mind.
An example of a good result, ran on a Mi 9: https://i.redd.it/sh23onvimmq31.png. The phone can be used at full power without downclocking for a long time.

Here are the result. It depends on the temp on the sensor. It hit 90c when ran at full clock speed and it dropped to dynamic clock speed when it was hot on prime core. When it was cold enough it can boost to full speed again.
The environment temp was around 25c. Probably worse if the env temp was high

mickey36736 said:
Here are the result. It depends on the temp on the sensor. It hit 90c when ran at full clock speed and it dropped to dynamic clock speed when it was hot on prime core. When it was cold enough it can boost to full speed again.
The environment temp was around 25c. Probably worse if the env temp was high
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Thanks a lot! Finally more data on this.
The clean step is similar to the first slowdown on the test I linked, maybe from some governor setting on the kernel. There should be a way to either remove or relax the thermal profile if needed, but while a tiered throttle might be too overzealous at least it makes for less performance flutuation.
Anyway, overall it's far from what I've seem before, and pretty good on my book. Good to know. Are you on Android 10 already?

XDFefo said:
Thanks a lot! Finally more data on this.
The clean step is similar to the first slowdown on the test I linked, maybe from some governor setting on the kernel. There should be a way to either remove or relax the thermal profile if needed, but while a tiered throttle might be too overzealous at least it makes for less performance flutuation.
Anyway, overall it's far from what I've seem before, and pretty good on my book. Good to know. Are you on Android 10 already?
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Yes, I'm on Android 10 right now. Every day use is fine but actually warmer than I expected. Especially when I do a lot of opening apps, switch between apps that ramp up the prime core.

XDFefo said:
Thanks a lot! Finally more data on this.
The clean step is similar to the first slowdown on the test I linked, maybe from some governor setting on the kernel. There should be a way to either remove or relax the thermal profile if needed, but while a tiered throttle might be too overzealous at least it makes for less performance flutuation.
Anyway, overall it's far from what I've seem before, and pretty good on my book. Good to know. Are you on Android 10 already?
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I found thermal config file in /vendor/etc
It use virtual-threm to set cpu clock speed in this snapdragon 855 platform based on current temperature.
This is the stock setting that I got from here
https://github.com/AndroidDumps/asu...0-release-keys/vendor/etc/thermal-engine.conf

Question Are u happy with your RM6 Pro?

Tomorow I am going to sell my Asus Rog5, so now I want to buy RM6 Pro ...So question is simple are you happy with you phone?
And pros and cons pls

Hello, I know am late on this but do not sell your ROG.. RM6 have lots of software issues. the most am suffering with is they limit it from using full performance! I can't see it using 840mhz on GPU for genshin or ANY game! my friend have ROG 5 and I can see his GPU on SD888 can use full performance. Nubia's software is really not good! I regret buying it.

Ammark93 said:
Hello, I know am late on this but do not sell your ROG.. RM6 have lots of software issues. the most am suffering with is they limit it from using full performance! I can't see it using 840mhz on GPU for genshin or ANY game! my friend have ROG 5 and I can see his GPU on SD888 can use full performance. Nubia's software is really not good! I regret buying it.
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While I agree with RM6's software issues, I'm not so sure about your statements on their GPU performance. I own a standard ROG Phone 5 and I can confirm that GPU speed runs at max speed for the first 5 minutes of playing Genshin, but quickly slows down as the device heats up. This is even with AeroActive Cooler 5 mounted and set to max fan speed. So it's important to also determine and compare sustained GPU performance, which I believe RM6 wins here.

Phone build is good. Spec and features are good but very lacking in the software department. Bugs and errors in lots of parts of the phone. Physically feels good but software feels bad. Runs games well

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While I agree with RM6's software issues, I'm not so sure about your statements on their GPU performance. I own a standard ROG Phone 5 and I can confirm that GPU speed runs at max speed for the first 5 minutes of playing Genshin, but quickly slows down as the device heats up. This is even with AeroActive Cooler 5 mounted and set to max fan speed. So it's important to also determine and compare sustained GPU performance, which I believe RM6 wins here.
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I never.. like never seen the GPU runs at 840mhz, only in antutu. for genshin I see it goes up to 600mhz something when I run the game while the phone is cool, then it drops right away to 540mhz. and keeps like that or lower. and no matter how much I cool it, it never goes above that. I used their new cooler.. and I put the device in front of AC that it got so cold. yet still never gone above 540mhz.. even the CPU stuck at 2.4.. how is this not an issue? I just want to use the full performance. I had RM5 G and I used the rom they provided here to boost the GPU to 940mhz, it was doing better than this one.. I'll never buy a phone from Nubia ever again. next time I'll just get the ROG.

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I never.. like never seen the GPU runs at 840mhz, only in antutu. for genshin I see it goes up to 600mhz something when I run the game while the phone is cool, then it drops right away to 540mhz. and keeps like that or lower. and no matter how much I cool it, it never goes above that. I used their new cooler.. and I put the device in front of AC that it got so cold. yet still never gone above 540mhz.. even the CPU stuck at 2.4.. how is this not an issue? I just want to use the full performance. I had RM5 G and I used the rom they provided here to boost the GPU to 940mhz, it was doing better than this one.. I'll never buy a phone from Nubia ever again. next time I'll just get the ROG.
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My GPU reaching at max frequency probably happened while I was sitting in the start screen or looking straight at the wall but now that I think about it it didn't really maintain for 5 minutes. The Adreno 660 is very power hungry and runs hot this time around for internal and external cooling to matter (hence RM6 has the edge). You can certainly use custom kernel to boost the GPU even higher but I'd worry about phones with limited cooling. Also I've yet to find ROG 5 custom kernel that boosts GPU frequency.
But really the SoC should improve on efficiency aspect as the ROG 3 did really well in peak and sustained performance. There's hope and excitement for the upcoming AMD GPU on mobile but I'm not sure if other vendors will adopt it besides Samsung.