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Looking for some advice on shooting video. I've been considering purchasing an inexpensive video camera for taking family videos of my son.
I like the price point of the Sony HDR-CX series but the professional reviews seem pretty negative. Other than an optical zoom would I get just as good results using my Gnex to shoot the video? I know there is a 1080 setting.
I also see the Hero2 and Contour ROAM2 seem very popular. I like the waterproof aspect but without any optical zoom would I really be gaining anything over my Gnex?
I wouldn't consider shooting videos using smartphones... personally I'm using Sony HDR CX130, purchased a couple years back and it's suited my need for family videos... with HD super clear, great at low light and stabilization while moving... Never regretted the purchase
But I think there's a couple of new model right now and must be with a lot of improvement... so do your research before grabbing one... But if you want the all in one solution maybe you can consider using your smartphones, but for me the dedicated video cameras will always be the best for that... at least I don't need to worry to get a phone call while in a middle of recording the moment
Had my first day out with the V30 yesterday and just imported the photos and videos from it to my laptop for a closer look to make some initial evaluations. With some very interesting things to note and a lot to dig into further. There's definitely some realities that need to be addressed to better manage expectations.
1) I have no f'n clue what the HDR setting is doing other than making crappy photos. Which is about the same as it was on the V20. It's completely the opposite of what it was on the Nexus 6. On the Nexus 6, if you wanted the best photos out of the Google Camera you could get, you turned on HDR and forgot about it. With LG's Camera app, it's the exact opposite. Turn it off and forget it was ever there.
I still need to figure out the mess that the Google Camera app port has become and DL a copy and see how it does with this sensor.
2) If you shoot manual, there's a noise reduction on/off switch now. Unless you have some decent NR software though or know what you want to do with grainy photos (and I think it will have its uses, I just have to find the right subject), leave it on in very low light conditions. Not only does it tame grainy noise, it also tames a bit of purple fringe that will show up in high gain (high ISO) photos once the electronics start heating up around it.
3) As to that last part of #2: We have to be realistic here. This is a tiny cellphone camera packed in with A LOT of other electronics. If you're shooting several shots in a row or long exposures, either in dark conditions at high ISO, you will see amp glow or purple fringing. It's just a reality. Even DSLRs see it.
4) Digital zoom is digital zoom. If you aren't using just the standard view of each sensor, then you are going to see the limitations of a small sensor. I don't care what cellphone you're using. None of my larger/dedicated cameras have it for many good reasons. You shouldn't expect miracles from a smaller camera.
5) The wide angle sensor actually takes pretty good shots now in most conditions! The wide angle camera on the V20 was full of so many compromises that I avoided it at all costs. If I wanted a wider view than the standard lens, I would use the pano setting on the standard lens. Which is still a great option if everything in the frame is going to sit still but it takes time and patience. It still has distortion though, just not as much as before. You can't focus the wide angle in manual mode but you can in auto. Weird. It doesn't like to focus pointing directly overhead. That was hit or miss. Same rules about the NR and HDR apply here.
6) Video AF in low low light does miss sometimes. Again, just remember this phone doesn't have all the high end AF sensors that some DSLRs have to make sure focus is nailed every single time. Somewhere there's an article about the useful range of all the AF systems on the V20, I assume it still applies to the V30. I'll dig it up if I can to help manage expectations. If I remember right, laser AF is short range, maybe 7 feet.
7) During my import of files from my phone to my laptop, some of my videos lost their audio tracks. Not sure what that's about. I don't remember which ones were auto and which ones were manual but I suspect that's the problem. All videos have sound on my phone though.
8) I suck at video. Kinda hoping to kick myself in the rear with this phone and learn more about it. There's a lot more to manage and I probably won't be happy until I figure out the whole color grading thing and get the look I want. So the log file option ought to be a nice addition.
9) I remember telling someone that I swear I saw a video somewhere of a pre-unit that had the directional mics settings in manual video. Well, I can tell you that I must have imagined that because the unit I have does not have that setting. Just sliders and windcut.
10) And I don't know where LG is hiding it but I don't see 240 fps in any settings anywhere. The fastest video setting I see is 120fps. (Remember, only at 720p) I'm guessing 240 fps is reserved for the slo-mo mode and not available in manual or auto video modes.
11) Selfie camera. Yeah, I've seen the complaints. Are you sure your ugly mugs aren't breaking the camera? I posted this in the first impressions thread and I'll post it here. First thing I suggest doing is turning down the "skin toning" and skin lighting settings. Whoever renamed skin smoothing to skin toning should be shot as that's not what I thought that setting was at all. My first thought is that it adjusted the white balance of the skin to give you a rosier glow. Nope. Skin toning will butter face the heck out of you even on basics settings. Set it to zero. After that, the image held up well to some post processing and consistently gave me selfies I actually like. They actually remind me of something that might come from..... film.
I'm going to do some more shooting today and I'll try to figure out how to post examples without making you all click through to some other site. I also need to figure out how to get the videos over sound and all so I can give them honest assessments.
Ah, I just remembered something else to look out for.
12) If you shoot in manual and have the RAW option turned on, it isn't like on a real camera where you get the RAW file and a processed version of the RAW file. It shoots two photos. This does two things. One, it means you will see lag as it is shooting two photos for each press. This gets worse with longer shutter speeds. Two, this means unless you're shooting a still life that the RAW and JPG will not match. If you're shooting action like I was last night, you will get two completely different photos.
Interesting. Thanks for you observations.
I'm a pixel owner and I love the camera. It's ace. I really want to like the v30, but so far the real world observations and initial reviews haven't sung the praises of the camera. Are you happy with the camera or is it not worth the hype?
The camera is better than the V20 and I liked that a lot. Here's the issue in a nut shell. This phone is for those that aren't happy to just let the device to everything for you like an Apple product would. If that's what you want, that's what Pixels are about. Pixel is Google's iPhone. If you want control over the creative process, that's why the V's exist. The V series is more akin to using a DSLR and Pixels are more like a point and shoot. The Pixel series they're kinda hoping you're ok with whatever the phone spits out. The V series you tweak the initial settings and decide what the phone is even going to shoot so you can tweak it more to your liking later. The V30 gives us even more control than the V20 does.
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The camera is better than the V20 and I liked that a lot. Here's the issue in a nut shell. This phone is for those that aren't happy to just let the device to everything for you like an Apple product would. If that's what you want, that's what Pixels are about. Pixel is Google's iPhone. If you want control over the creative process, that's why the V's exist. The V series is more akin to using a DSLR and Pixels are more like a point and shoot. The Pixel series they're kinda hoping you're ok with whatever the phone spits out. The V series you tweak the initial settings and decide what the phone is even going to shoot so you can tweak it more to your liking later. The V30 gives us even more control than the V20 does.
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Interesting. Thanks for the summary
I would like to but V30, all because camera. But I don't know is this camera one of the best in 2017 or it is just average camera. I see many bad comments on internet. And is front face camera really bad?
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I would like to but V30, all because camera. But I don't know is this camera one of the best in 2017 or it is just average camera. I see many bad comments on internet. And is front face camera really bad?
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I probably still have a few more days of testing but just based off of what I've seen in my standardized shooting at the museum, LG has pulled off a miracle with this tiny little sensor.
Like I said above, you have to have realistic expectations and know what the limits are of your gear. That's what a really good photographer does though. They know how the gear works and how to use what it does but also know when it's time to use something else or accept not getting a shot.
This is a tiny sensor. The largest sensor on this whole phone is only 1/3.09". It's smaller than the main one on the V20 but it looks better. That in itself is amazing but I'm not expecting a sensor that's 1/3 the size of the sensor of my smallest camera to match it. Yet that's what some people seem to expect . Which is asinine.
Really the only "failing" I had yesterday was trying to shoot overhead in extremely dark conditions with the wide angle camera and shooting performers wearing all black on an outdoor stage in the dark with just stage lighting (which was changing colors constantly) while moving around quickly. Neither of those surprised me at all. The second condition really is the realm of DSLRs still. The first one, I'm ok with too. That said, what I did get from the second condition, I'm still surprised with.
I've only had one day with it but I think I'm going to get some surprising images out of this camera. Now to teach myself more about video editing.
And again, about the front camera. Once you set those stupid settings to the bottom, you can get more skin detail out of a photo than most people would like to see. Every crease and furrow in my brow line and forehead ,pock mark in my nose, and hairs on my head and beard. From shooting models, I can tell you a lot of people wouldn't want to see that level of detail on their face. So I have no idea what people are complaining about. It's an f'n vanity camera that most people wouldn't want to use to its full potential.
Uploaded a couple of shots. All shots are my normal workflow with a cellphone camera. Shot with the V30 and the jpegs processed in Snapseed. First one is shot with the main camera overhead in a room not known for being well lit at the museum I used to work at. In fact the only real lighting is from some LEDs in the pearl at center. The LEDs are designed to be very soft so they don't degrade the paint and woodwork. The other two shots are selfies taken with indirect sunlight being the only light source indoors. The one with back background is indirect sun through clear glass. The one with the light background is indirect sunlight through very milky glass.
Main camera: https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/36870848874/
Dark background selfie cam: https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/37322765870/
Light background selfie cam: https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/23728950428/
Seriously, I'm not sure I'd really want more detail than that. I'm actually quite please with how all of these images turned out so far. I'll try to work up some more shots from the main and wides.
Can you post some pics in a room at night with just a lamp on or something in auto mode?
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Can you post some pics in a room at night with just a lamp on or something in auto mode?
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I'll have to see what I can set up. That's not really a normal shot I have set-up or sitting around. I might be able to do something at work tomorrow before everyone else gets in and the whole place is blasted with light. Unfortunately, I no longer work at the museum but I might be able to make something work.
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I would like to but V30, all because camera. But I don't know is this camera one of the best in 2017 or it is just average camera. I see many bad comments on internet.
And is front face camera really bad?
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I'm not hijacking this thread, but you asked a specific question. There's another thread where the camera is discussed, along with other features, and @keithleger took all his in "auto" mode, to compare the two V30 back cameras, and he also compared it to the Note 8 camera which he's decided to sell.
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-Excellent camera but not on par with Pixel line or Samsung. Don't get me wrong, it is a great camera and in the sunlight it is fantastic but low light it does not do as well as Note 8. Video or Stills. But it is very adequate for my needs and I prefer having the wide-angle lens over the zoom lens any day.
-The one thing that really bothered me was shutter lag at times. Sometimes when I snapped a photo it was almost instant and others I had to wait a second or so. Long enough to think I might not of pressed the button. Not sure if others have had this issue but it is troublesome. It was not isolated to taking multiple photos fairly quickly either. Sometimes first shot.
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However, he's selling the Note 8 to keep the LG V30.
He posted an album of his first weekend pictures, as well as the comparison shots to the Note 8. The V30 outside shots look FANTASTIC, and even though the Note 8seemed to do better indoors the LG V30 won at least one of the indoor shots, in my opinion.
As for selfies, he gives the same advice as @CHH2.. Turn off the enhancemet crap on the selfie camera.
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For selfies, if you set the skin tone and lighting effects to 0 then it is ok.
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Selfie camera. . First thing I suggest doing is turning down the "skin toning" and skin lighting settings.
Skin toning will butter face the heck out of you even on basics settings. Set it to zero.
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See, they say the same thing. The only reason I'm mentioning the other thread -- and I do not mean to hijack @CHH2 camera thread -- is because @keithleger has direct comparisons to the Note 8 camera was well as the f/1.6 and wide angle cameras on the V30. Plus he only shot in auto, and didn't do any post processing (to my knowledge).
I appreciate all the work @CHH2 has put into this thread!
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I'll have to see what I can set up. That's not really a normal shot I have set-up or sitting around. I might be able to do something at work tomorrow before everyone else gets in and the whole place is blasted with light. Unfortunately, I no longer work at the museum but I might be able to make something work.
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Thanks! You don't have to go out of your way. I will have my phone tomorrow.
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Thanks! You don't have to go out of your way. I will have my phone tomorrow.
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I shot this real quick this morning. It's completely SOOC. Yes, you might notice something rather odd and be asking yourself, "Why didn't he rotate the image?" Well, I didn't rotate it because on my phone the image is upright and correct. Somewhere between the phone and Flickr, it got rotated. I'll be deleting this one at the end of today as it's not really something I'd normally shoot even as a reminder or novelty.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/36882784984/
And just because I got lucky this morning, a little close up:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/37593620881/
Going to add one more photo. This one shot in probably one of the most challenging places to shoot, a jazz club. This is probably the cleanest shot I've taken in there with a cellphone. I'm impressed.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/36883443574/
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I shot this real quick this morning. It's completely SOOC. Yes, you might notice something rather odd and be asking yourself, "Why didn't he rotate the image?" Well, I didn't rotate it because on my phone the image is upright and correct. Somewhere between the phone and Flickr, it got rotated. I'll be deleting this one at the end of today as it's not really something I'd normally shoot even as a reminder or novelty.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/36882784984/
And just because I got lucky this morning, a little close up:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/37593620881/
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Wow man! I have restored faith in the camera. That office shot is very sharp. For the grasshopper, are you using one of the installed filters or is a post render?
Thank you for taking those.
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Wow man! I have restored faith in the camera. That office shot is very sharp. For the grasshopper, are you using one of the installed filters or is a post render?
Thank you for taking those.
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You're welcome. For photos, I never use the filters in the camera apps. I always use Snapseed. It has a lot more control and much more power once you learn how to apply the various filters in combination. The grasshopper only had typical post processing that most photographers would apply; a tad sharpening that is only really noticeable when zoomed in, B&W conversion, bump in contrast, and a bump in shadows to make them a tad darker. Oh, and a crop, maybe threw away a little more than half the overall pixels from the frame as I didn't want to scare it off.
And yeah, for being such a tiny sensor, I'm impressed with the low light shooting. I still want to try shooting in the basement of the jazz club. That's usually territory that I need at least my smaller dedicated camera if not my DSLR. I won't get to try that again until this next weekend.
Decided to try something a little different. This isn't final by any means but this shows what playing around for a couple of minutes in Snapseed with just a couple quick shots can get you: https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/37605204891/
Looking forward to showing this to my curator friend and watching him fall off of his barstool when I tell him it was all done on one cellphone in under five minutes. (He's pretty much a film guy as is the guy who is the inspiration for this photo. Bonus points if you can name the photographer I'm copying for this photo.)
Main camera: https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/36870848874/
Dark background selfie cam: https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/37322765870/
Light background selfie cam: https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/23728950428/
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What camera was used for those selfies? I'm not a fan of selfies but love the ones you've taken. I'd like to experiment with it and my fiance would too.thank you. Btw love you test album. Talent for sure
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Main camera: https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/36870848874/
Dark background selfie cam: https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/37322765870/
Light background selfie cam: https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/23728950428/
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What camera was used for those selfies? I'm not a fan of selfies but love the ones you've taken. I'd like to experiment with it and my fiance would too.thank you. Btw love you test album. Talent for sure[/QUOTE]
I used the front selfie camera with all of those silly settings at the bottom of the frame turned off, set to zero, whatever their values are. Then I just did some quick processing in Snapseed. That's pretty much it. I don't get too complex. And thank you.
Finally figured out a work around so I can hear the audio on the videos I'm importing from the phone to my laptop and can't believe I didn't think of this before. Pulled the videos from their folder over into an empty Chrome browser window and Voila! they played complete with their soundtrack!
So the following is from shooting in a dark jazz club. (Notes, not footage yet. I'll try uploading something to youtube when I figure out what, when, and how.)
Probably the most important observation I see about video from the V30 (and this actually applied to the V20 too) is that loud music can end up jostling the OIS and introduce more shake than it removes.
Another observation is that recording video while in Auto mode, you better make sure you have plenty of somewhat decent light. Tonight while playing around, the screen would be plenty bright all the way up until I hit that little red record button. Then the screen squeezes down and went dark enough that the footage was unusable. Shooting in manual video mode, I was able to get some footage. It wasn't exactly ideal settings that I was shooting with though so the footage is so-so. (Best settings I could get were ISO 3200 and a shutter speed of 1/25. My understanding is that since I had my frame rate at 24fps, I should have had a shutter speed of 1/50 but that just wasn't happening inside that place.)
In manual video mode, it really doesn't like ISO 3200 for some reason. I'd play with a setting and come back and the ISO would be set to 3150 for some reason. I'd bump it back up to 3200, go do something else, come back to 3150. I would have to make sure that's the last thing I tweaked before hitting the record button.
The audio picks up pretty much all the sounds I'm hearing. I need to sit down with headphones and see if there's extra noise being introduced. I suspect dragging the videos into the Chrome browser is exactly the best quality test. It just lets me know the audio tracks are intact in the file which I was a little worried about at first.
I still have a lot more playing around with the video as most of it is new to me.
Hi, guys,
I'm coming from an Xperia Z3C, which had a camera that was pretty bad. Even though some bash the XZ1C camera, it's a lot better than what I used.
I'm no photographer and I dont' know the apps, so I'd like everyone to share what they know and use.
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Hi, guys,
I'm coming from an Xperia Z3C, which had a camera that was pretty bad. Even though some bash the XZ1C camera, it's a lot better than what I used.
I'm no photographer and I dont' know the apps, so I'd like everyone to share what they know and use.
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Despite people putting down the stock camera, I find it does take good a picture, although using a small tripod gets the best results. This is far from idea for a phone, but just resting the phone on something solid dramtically imporves the picture.
The focusing seems to be better if you turn off 'object tracking' and although HDR is supposed to be automatic in the auto mode, I tend to shoot in manual with HDR enabled. The predictive capture is a good & useful tool. I wasn't sure when I first saw it introduced, but it does a burst shot when it gets triggered by a smile and dramtically increases your chances of getting a great picture.
My favorite post proccessing app is SKRWT. I love taking landscapes and this is great for straightening things or there are some funky mirror effects.
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Despite people putting down the stock camera, I find it does take good a picture, although using a small tripod gets the best results. This is far from idea for a phone, but just resting the phone on something solid dramtically imporves the picture.
The focusing seems to be better if you turn off 'object tracking' and although HDR is supposed to be automatic in the auto mode, I tend to shoot in manual with HDR enabled. The predictive capture is a good & useful tool. I wasn't sure when I first saw it introduced, but it does a burst shot when it gets triggered by a smile and dramtically increases your chances of getting a great picture.
My favorite post proccessing app is SKRWT. I love taking landscapes and this is great for straightening things or there are some funky mirror effects.
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What about the resolution? Many people avoid the 19MP resolution for different reasons.
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What about the resolution? Many people avoid the 19MP resolution for different reasons.
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19MP is the only resolution. It's the native size of the sensor, meaning you get one=one. Anything else is derived from a software interpretation.
People seem to be obsessed by letterbox, perhaps because that's the way they watch TV. If you don't like the square shape of a 19MP picture, then edit it afterwards, but a least get the best quality you can to start with.
I've taken some decent shots with Open Camera. I like its DRO mode (dynamic range optimization). Haven't had much luck with stock camera app, although I'm a fan of the wide angle selfie camera.
the camera is good not more... not a lot of choices in creative mode, iA can't be customized, "macro" focus at 10 cm... at least it's pretty fast
I use the stock app, mainly in manual mode without object tracking (with that setting on I find the focus is a little inaccurate, maybe just an impression).
Overall i would say the app has all you need to take a photo plus a couple of nice features (like autofocus burst mode and predictive capture).
Any tips on what kind of exposure and ISO to use in manual mode? My pics always come out blurry.
Edit: For example, would the tips here apply? https://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-xz/how-to/xperia-xz-camera-how-to-optimize-manual-t3534640
Sounds like most people are saying choose a low ISO and EV a little below 1.
I'm particularly interested in tips or settings that don't require a tripod, because I don't own one. And I think it's unrealistic to expect people to use a tripod to take decent phone pics.
I had a big night shootout in Frankfurt with XZ1c and Galaxy s8. Im not good in photography and all shoots are in Auto mode. Couple of shoots are manipulated in Adobe Lightroom in Auto light and color corections. They names started with LLR....
What You think?
https://photos.app.goo.gl/YUQIYsKXGg5tGugK2
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I had a big night shootout in Frankfurt with XZ1c and Galaxy s8. Im not good in photography and all shoots are in Auto mode. Couple of shoots are manipulated in Adobe Lightroom in Auto light and color corections. They names started with LLR....
What You think?
https://photos.app.goo.gl/YUQIYsKXGg5tGugK2
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I'm no photography expert, but I could see the difference instantly on most of these. The XZ1c photos were blurry and seemed improperly exposed. The S8 wasn't perfect, but it was generally a lot sharper. This basically mirrors my experience with the XZ1c and my previous phone that had a better camera, HTC 10.
Has anyone installed AOSP and got the Pixel's camera apk working on the xz1c? This is my main motivation for going the root -> rom route.
Take a picture of a green lawn or of leafy trees, and there's often an unpleasant, slightly smeary watercolor-like effect. Is it possible that using another camera application would prevent this processing effect?
Hello,
I am sorry in case this has been covered so far. I did not find it.
I have a custom ROM (RR6), but would like to use the stock Camera mainly for the slow motion 960fps video recording. It seems to be possible via this topic:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/cr...-apps/app-xperia-xzs-panorama-camera-t3577514
But even if it worked, it would replace the custom ROM's Camera, which I'd like to keep. Is there a way to run these two Cameras side by side?
Or should I use another 3rd party app that does the slo-mo job?
Thanks a lot for anz advidce!
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Hello,
I am sorry in case this has been covered so far. I did not find it.
I have a custom ROM (RR6), but would like to use the stock Camera mainly for the slow motion 960fps video recording. It seems to be possible via this topic:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/cr...-apps/app-xperia-xzs-panorama-camera-t3577514
But even if it worked, it would replace the custom ROM's Camera, which I'd like to keep. Is there a way to run these two Cameras side by side?
Or should I use another 3rd party app that does the slo-mo job?
Thanks a lot for anz advidce!
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yea thats my concern as well. I am not sure if drm fix can re-enable the 960fps slow mo or is it gone for good after unlocking bootloader. If only we can get gcam and stock camera run together
When I got my oneplus 5 I was drawn back by its pace and stamina, the camera isn't bad, but without OIS it can be a horrible solution especially if you're in motion and doing any kind of zooming.
Have tried every single camera apk available and none offer anything which may help at all..
At least until today when I tried the new (I think it's new ) feature on Google photos.
Open your camera.
Start a video which you know will have shake, zoom in, move around etc.
End the video and open up Google photos.
Click edit, then stabilise and it'll do the work for you.
I was quite shocked, the results are surprisingly amazing.
There are times when the frames overlap but in comparison to a very shaky experience it's absolutely brilliant.
Don't need anything but your phone, camera app and Google photos.
Processing is quick on the Oneplus 5 so not much of a problem but certainly not real time, take about 20 seconds for a short 30 second clip.
Hope this helps, it has with me. :good:
Hmmph, I actually like the EIS better then the OIS when taking video based on YouTube vids demonstrating against 2 other phones (OP5 vs both Samsung s8+ and iPhone 8+). It's a bit more stable then the OIS which in and of itself is pretty amazing. The only thing the OP5 lacks is the EIS on 1080p 60fps, EIS is only working on 1080p 30fps.
As far as photos are concerned, my OP5, on OOS 5.0.4, is way more then adequate for everyday stuff (Normal light) and just OK in low light. If you're zooming it is not very good but you can add a Magisk Module (Camera M) if you're rooted and it is significantly better (no water color painting effects in processing). I'm more then just an amateur photog so if I need anything important I make sure I have my DSLR so that may ultimately be the reason the camera is more then just fine for me.
Though it is nice that Google Photos added that post processing/algorithm
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Hmmph, I actually like the EIS better then the OIS when taking video based on YouTube vids demonstrating against 2 other phones (OP5 vs both Samsung s8+ and iPhone 8+). It's a bit more stable then the OIS which in and of itself is pretty amazing. The only thing the OP5 lacks is the EIS on 1080p 60fps, EIS is only working on 1080p 30fps.
As far as photos are concerned, my OP5, on OOS 5.0.4, is way more then adequate for everyday stuff (Normal light) and just OK in low light. If you're zooming it is not very good but you can add a Magisk Module (Camera M) if you're rooted and it is significantly better (no water color painting effects in processing). I'm more then just an amateur photog so if I need anything important I make sure I have my DSLR so that may ultimately be the reason the camera is more then just fine for me.
Though it is nice that Google Photos added that post processing/algorithm
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That's great. I'm sharing something for people who have a problem with the evidently shakiness in comparison to an OIS capable device.
This is not a thread to discuss what's better. This is a thread for me to share a find, and for people if they didn't know about it and want to use it to say thank you, nothing more.
On a personal note, EIS is in no way a substitute for OIS, it just isn't..
Next time you're a passenger in a car, zoom in fully and record a stationary object whilst the car is in motion.
Your will have a very hard time with a lot of shaking.
An OIS enabled device has no problem in this regard..
Finally, If your don't require stabilisation for your device and you're happy the way it is then please refrain from commenting here, it's not helping anybody and there is no point, is rather not get the mods in to clear up this thread.
Thank you.
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That's great. I'm sharing something for people who have a problem with the evidently shakiness in comparison to an OIS capable device.
This is not a thread to discuss what's better. This is a thread for me to share a find, and for people if they didn't know about it and want to use it to say thank you, nothing more.
On a personal note, EIS is in no way a substitute for OIS, it just isn't..
Next time you're a passenger in a car, zoom in fully and record a stationary object whilst the car is in motion.
Your will have a very hard time with a lot of shaking.
An OIS enabled device has no problem in this regard..
Finally, If your don't require stabilisation for your device and you're happy the way it is then please refrain from commenting here, it's not helping anybody and there is no point, is rather not get the mods in to clear up this thread.
Thank you.
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lol I do have a requirement for stabilization and the EIS out preforms an iPhone 8 and S8 with OIS. If you don't think so then your hands must shake like crazy.. As far as zooming all the way in, it is a digital zoom, not an optical zoom. I don't know a lot of people trying to zoom all the in on a video capture.
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lol I do have a requirement for stabilization and the EIS out preforms an iPhone 8 and S8 with OIS. If you don't think so then your hands must shake like crazy.. As far as zooming all the way in, it is a digital zoom, not an optical zoom. I don't know a lot of people trying to zoom all the in on a video capture.
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This is subjective, Just because you don't need sormthing doesn't mean others won't, and fyi my hands are like a rock and although I shouldn't have to justify myself, here's an example.
In my instance, I was driving along with my wife, me in the passenger seat, the Grenfell fire had just happened and I was capturing footage of it, we were on the dual carriageway way and the building was in the distance. I recorded with my HTC 10 at full zoom, this was perfect it adhered to every bump and jilt perfectly, a week later I tried with my oneplus, the oneplus was a mess, I have incredibly steady hands and it was impossible to get anything close to what the HTC offered.
I take a lot of photos and videos, some are zoomed some are not, some are moving some are stationary, some I have very little time to react to, not having OIS can mean a missed shot, poor video or both.
Furthermore I'm not here to tell you that you need this, it's you who's made the decision to come here and start saying that this isn't required, great that's your opinion, this is not a place for that, this is a place for people who DO have a problem with the EIS and believe me there are many besides me.
If you like the solution I've posted then say thanks and be happy, it works very well hence the share, I don't care if you're happy and you don't need stabilization, but this isn't the place to talk about that.
There is a camera thread you can share your views on, not in this thread.
PS: Not trying to be funny with you, but i don't want this thread to be a place for people to come and blindly defend a phone that should have had a key feature, OIS should be mandatory, EIS simply doesn't cut it in comparison, ask any photographer and they'll tell you the same thing.
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lol I do have a requirement for stabilization and the EIS out preforms an iPhone 8 and S8 with OIS. If you don't think so then your hands must shake like crazy.. As far as zooming all the way in, it is a digital zoom, not an optical zoom. I don't know a lot of people trying to zoom all the in on a video capture.
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I count as someone who has pretty stable hands and I can say that the EIS on OnePlus isn't even near OIS from an iPhone X/8 (idk about the S8, I don't have one so can't compare). EIS is good (and better than EIS from other phone brands) but isn't as good as OIS. Not like my videos come out as a blurry mess due to shaking but there's definitely a difference between X or 8.
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I count as someone who has pretty stable hands and I can say that the EIS on OnePlus isn't even near OIS from an iPhone X/8 (idk about the S8, I don't have one so can't compare). EIS is good (and better than EIS from other phone brands) but isn't as good as OIS. Not like my videos come out as a blurry mess due to shaking but there's definitely a difference between X or 8.
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With your videos if there's shake and if you upload it to YouTube it will remove some of it, but Google photos actually does a better job.. unless I'm seeing things.
Was surprised by the results.
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With your videos if there's shake and if you upload it to YouTube it will remove some of it, but Google photos actually does a better job.. unless I'm seeing things.
Was surprised by the results.
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Yeah, it's not that terrible, I can look at the videos without vomiting :laugh:
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When I got my oneplus 5 I was drawn back by its pace and stamina, the camera isn't bad, but without OIS it can be a horrible solution especially if you're in motion and doing any kind of zooming.
Have tried every single camera apk available and none offer anything which may help at all..
At least until today when I tried the new (I think it's new ) feature on Google photos.
Open your camera.
Start a video which you know will have shake, zoom in, move around etc.
End the video and open up Google photos.
Click edit, then stabilise and it'll do the work for you.
I was quite shocked, the results are surprisingly amazing.
There are times when the frames overlap but in comparison to a very shaky experience it's absolutely brilliant.
Don't need anything but your phone, camera app and Google photos.
Processing is quick on the Oneplus 5 so not much of a problem but certainly not real time, take about 20 seconds for a short 30 second clip.
Hope this helps, it has with me. :good:
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You were recording with stock OOS camera app, right? I know that in case of a stabilization in video, GCam can give much worse results
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You were recording with stock OOS camera app, right? I know that in case of a stabilization in video, GCam can give much worse results
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Yes it was the stock camera, I know my cameras and I know my phone's, ROMs, mods.
As I've said in the OP there is no combination of camera APK or ROM that gives an above par experience which would be comparable to OIS.
Simply put I've scoured every option that there is out there for a viable solution and there simply isn't one.
YouTube has its own algorithm for stabilization, as does Google photos.. the Google photos version is superior, I'm simply making people aware as it's helped me out.
I'm not sure if anyone here has had an OIS capable device but the experience compared to the stock OOS camera is literally night and day.
If anyone can't see that then they're either in denial or they have sormthing wrong with their eyes, it's that obvious.
What do you like the most about the G7?
I'd say for me - the overall form factor. It feels like it's about the right size. You can hold it comfortably and use it with one hand.
The rest is all meat and potatoes for me. Not really any complaints. The phone is basically where LG should've went after the G4 imo.
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What do you like the most about the G7?
I'd say for me - the overall form factor. It feels like it's about the right size. You can hold it comfortably and use it with one hand.
The rest is all meat and potatoes for me. Not really any complaints. The phone is basically where LG should've went after the G4 imo.
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How does the camera perform at night in manual mode? I hear that's there's a dedicated night mode that produces 4MP images with little detail but I'd like to know what the camera can do in manual mode.
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How does the camera perform at night in manual mode? I hear that's there's a dedicated night mode that produces 4MP images with little detail but I'd like to know what the camera can do in manual mode.
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Can't really comment on that as I haven't messed with the camera much. I don't really take many pics tbh.
The camera, hands down. I absolutely love it, and wish wide angled cameras would be more present in other phones. The only wide angled shots I've taken would make me look like a douche if I were to post 'em, so I won't, but trust me when I say that the cameras make it worth it.
Just wish we had a clean vanilla version of Android instead of LG's UI. I pray for development on this phone soon!
for me, I love the form factor (perfect size IMO) and the haptic feedback. This is the best done haptic feedback I've had on an Android phone in a long time. Getting pretty close to how good iPhone's haptics have been lately. Software has been quick and haven't had many slowdowns. Camera is OK, not P2XL quality or speed but not much out there is. Still a good camera but I haven't put it through its paces yet.
The speaker and DAC for me.