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After praising the tp2 for nearly two weeks now I have decided I will return it to MPD.
I paid 457 for this phone and I will except nothing less than 100 percent perfection in terms of build quality.
After 2 weeks use I have to following problems:
- The sceen travel before it hits the lcd in the centre of the screen had increased rapidly and I can now notice a significant change between sensitivity at the edges and the centre (about 1-2mm).
- The sliding mechanism has got easier which is good, but the movement of the screen is about 7mm when at full tilt, where as it was minimal at best when I received it.
Im not writing this as a sob story; I have a genuine worry that these could be very common problems and yet im unsure at the chances of returniing it for a replacement - hoping it wont have the same problems
Mine went back I had it one day, They called me when they received it and then acitoned a refund. The Touch Pro 2 is a terrible built device for something that cost's half a grand.
I have gone back to the Touch HD but really miss the keyboard oh well at least my device isn't going to fall apart. My partners device was perfect and now after a month of use it is now wobblying when you touch the screen and slider is so loose.
sorry you need to mail the webshop and wait for your reply sometimes they reply quick other days they take a while to reply. It will get worse get it replaced or refunded is my advice.
had two deviced now and sent both back. i cross my fingers the third onw will be without any isues. think MANY bad manufactured devices are out there
on my 4th so far and not 100% happy, wobble in the screen when tilted. Very bad design from HTC, poor build quality.
wobble in the screen would not be such a big problem for me i never tilit the screen. hope ill get a device with no other problems next time.
i cant understand why they built this useless tilt feature into the slider the slider could be much more "robust" without this tilit mechanism.
Say it ain't so....
How common are these screen issues that you guys are mentioning, the wobble and such? These issues that you folks are bringing up are starting to worry me, and what worries me even more is that some of you went through 3 or 4 of the TP2s already, leading me to believe that these problems are more widespread than I'd like. I've been anticipating this phone's arrival since February and I really hope that these issues aren't so common that it turns the TP2 into a total let-down instead of the great device that all this hype is leading me to believe. If at all possible could you guys please post updates on your situations?
thanks, and I hope all works out well for you guys.
What do you mean by a wobble? Is the screen itself deformed or are the letters/pictures deformed on the display?
Maybe you can post a picture or something?
I hardly ever use the Tilt feature. When I first heard about it I thought it was brilliant, still looks cool, but it isn't comfortable to work with ...
the wobble issue is discussed in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=524641
some people are worried about the screen wobbles a little bit when its tilt like in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6A5v-DR1A8
i think this is ok if it is not too much.
BUT i had two devices with a problem similar to this video and thats absolute not ok for me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BObBGt40hYg
the screen wobble isnt such a big problem for me, it makes it easier to slide out flat.
my problem is with the flex on the touchscreen. it feels like you push down on one plastic layer which then hits the lcd behind, making it less sensitive in the centre than the edges where i dont have this problem.
i think there is nothing to do. this is the "touch" in touch screen. it has to be little bit flexible to react to your input. dont compare it to the iphone thats a nother technique.
or do you mean something else?
Hi lhwparis
real glad you posted those videos of the wobble. I was beginning to think it was something quite serious, but i see that kind of bounce in most tiltable systems. So not so worried now.
Has anyone done a poll yet of how many people have a phone that does this? strange that its not the same with everyones.
what do you mean with "bounce"? video 1 or the beginning of video 2.
i think the wobble when screen is tilt is normal on most phones (only some without wobble) and thats not a great problem. the second video with the gap between the display and the phone in closed position is a realy great problem for me.
yes i did watch both, i guess im refrerring to the wobble, whilst its open.
perhaps the bounce whilst its closed is not so normal, although again im not sure how much of gap would be a source of concern.
I've got to be honest here. I am one of the fussiest people in the world when it comes to gadgets, but I think there is a lot of over-reaction about the "wobble" issue. The mechanism which allows the screen to tilt will have some "play" in it - otherwise you'd never be able to slide the keyboard out. The same "play" is what means that there is a gap between keyboard and screen - and this will be larger on the side nearest the power button, and it will give a little when you push on this side of the device, as the two halves are held together by the hinge at the opposite edge. It's unavoidable - even if your device doesn't do this from new, I can pretty much guarantee that it will do so within a few weeks. If the hinge is actually loose - so the screen doesn't stay put where you leave it, or if the slider mechanism works without you wanting it to, then you have a problem - but small gaps and small amounts of play in the mechanism are not only normal; they are what prevents damage from operating the mechanism.
"Give" near the centre of a large touchscreen is also pretty common - it's difficult to get the touchscreen to lay perfectly flat, as it is only secured at the edges. Again, there will be a degree of variation between samples, but this is another thing that will change with time. It also quite often varies with air pressure - if you take any touchscreen device (other than the iPhone, which uses a different principle) up in an aircraft, the touchscreen will frequently bulge out more from the screen due to the reduced ambient pressure and the small amount of air trapped under the touchscreen.
I really think that some of you are getting a little too over-stressed about this - 99% of these devices are fine. Leaving aside anything else, these will all have been tested in the factory, and mechanical function of the screen hinges and touchscreen will have been tested on every device before it was packed.
still, its disturbing to hear how many people are getting differences in their build quality. perhaps this is why tmobile uk are not going to be launching the device?
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i think there is nothing to do. this is the "touch" in touch screen. it has to be little bit flexible to react to your input. dont compare it to the iphone thats a nother technique.
or do you mean something else?
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The flexibility in the hinge is nothing to do with the resistiveness of the screen. Regardless of the screen, there should not be this amount of flex in the hinge.
what a load a rubbish.............if any of you fusspots owned a tytn 2 you probably would have nightmares. too much fussing over a wobble which is manditory to avoid sudden harsh impacts and decrease tension on the ribbon that goes from the board to the screen. the screen when tiltled was not actually done so we can sit there wobbling it. in fact no one actually needs to wobble the phone. the phone is sturdy when in full tilt then it works. imagine people actually sitting there wobbling the thing. what do you think will happen? it will loosen...........the wobble is not a feature of the phone but for safety and longevity of the moving parts of the phone. if you don't like the phone then don't buy it. if the screen had no wobble i'd be reading whole new thread of how it should. obviously this phone willl not please everyone and so those moaning about wobble should not buy the phone! obviously there will be some faulty handsets but needing 4 handsets should tell you that maybe it ain't the phone but actually you with the issue. it amazes me how people always find one thing negative to focus on but forget all and i mean all the positive aspects of this phone. what wobble?????????? touch HD which i do own has nothing on tp2 so thats a backward step! this is a phone not a tennis racket
no you are right, but the gap has got bigger in the middle since when i first got it, and comparing it to my friends HD the gap is far greater. There is barely any travel when it comes to the edges, and I see no difference of why this couldnt be the same for the centre.
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what a load a rubbish.............if any of you fusspots owned a tytn 2 you probably would have nightmares. too much fussing over a wobble which is manditory to avoid sudden harsh impacts and decrease tension on the ribbon that goes from the board to the screen. the screen when tiltled was not actually done so we can sit there wobbling it. in fact no one actually needs to wobble the phone. the phone is sturdy when in full tilt then it works. imagine people actually sitting there wobbling the thing. what do you think will happen? it will loosen...........the wobble is not a feature of the phone but for safety and longevity of the moving parts of the phone. if you don't like the phone then don't buy it. if the screen had no wobble i'd be reading whole new thread of how it should. obviously this phone willl not please everyone and so those moaning about wobble should not buy the phone! obviously there will be some faulty handsets but needing 4 handsets should tell you that maybe it ain't the phone but actually you with the issue. it amazes me how people always find one thing negative to focus on but forget all and i mean all the positive aspects of this phone. what wobble?????????? touch HD which i do own has nothing on tp2 so thats a backward step! this is a phone not a tennis racket.
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i said that wobble is normal in all posts before but i sent back my two devices because of the issue shown in this video (at the beginning):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BObBGt40hYg
so you want to tell me its normal that i can lift of the screen more than 5mm in closed position?
my friend has a TP2 too and he cant lift of the screen from device and there is nearly no gap!
shure2 said:
After praising the tp2 for nearly two weeks now I have decided I will return it to MPD.
I paid 457 for this phone and I will except nothing less than 100 percent perfection in terms of build quality.
After 2 weeks use I have to following problems:
- The sceen travel before it hits the lcd in the centre of the screen had increased rapidly and I can now notice a significant change between sensitivity at the edges and the centre (about 1-2mm).
- The sliding mechanism has got easier which is good, but the movement of the screen is about 7mm when at full tilt, where as it was minimal at best when I received it.
Im not writing this as a sob story; I have a genuine worry that these could be very common problems and yet im unsure at the chances of returniing it for a replacement - hoping it wont have the same problems
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Good luck..
The screen went really weird on mine, colours all messed up so on. Emailed mpd, which of course they didn't answer in a timely fashion so I phoned them to which they refused to help me over the phone and told me to email.
Half a day later I get a reply refusing to take it back as I've had it for over seven days and to send it to Regeneris or whoever they're called so I did that. The idiots at MPD failed to realise Regeneris wont' repair these phones, and then forward it on to HTC .. which of course it bizarrely taken them three days to do so.
Apparently now HTC have had it a week, and I've been bugged Regeneris every day, and the answer is the same .. "We've not heard anything, but I'll email them again" Either they've not emailed them as promised or HTCs customer service is evern worse than MPDs.
I've now been without my TP2 for over two weeks, with no sign of getting back and needless to say I'm pissed off!
Well, I got my Nexus on thursday, but immediately I noticed a problem .
At the bottom, the glass is slightly tilted, on the right is raised above the frame, while on the left is recessed ...
these are some pictures I took
I talked to the shop and they told me that they will solve the problem (repositioning of the glass) ...
What I wanted to know is what happen when the phone is opened, because on my current Nexus One, after first service, i have tons of dust entering between the display and the glass, and obviously I don't want the same thing also on this phone
So, do you have some experience with samsung's assistance ?
thanks!
anyone ?
As long as it's purely cosmetic, I wouldn't risk (or waste the money) having some guy open the phone to even out the glass.
Mine is the exact same way at the top of the screen, and I only noticed mine a few weeks after having it just because I was looking very very closely at the screen.
However, the problem it's quite visible on my phone, the difference between the two corners is about 1 mm, and with the glass that protrudes from the frame is even more subject to scratching ...
I don't know what to do ...
there is no one who opened the phone ?
The what you call a "glass" is the whole screen, so there no any way you get dust particles under it, as there no "under" , maybe the glue that hold it not have not dry good, I remember SGS2 have some yellow tint, or maybe it was SGS1, anyway things like that do happen to some devices.
Are you sure?
I have always found that touchscreen ("glass") and the display are two separate things
I'd return it for a replacement, that's an obvious build defect cite that you fear it'll either get worse or become a leak source.
Also, I am relieved I don't have this issue although I'd expect that I'd notice it quickly as you
Hello,
I'm a new to this so don't be mean.
My nexus 7.2 receives a grayish blueish smudge right down on the bottom middle of the screen probably on the 3rd quarter of the screen. Every time I apply medium pressure to anywhere the on bottom half of the screen the discoloration happens. Is this normal?
Thanks
No, that's not normal. Only thing I could think to try would be to try a kernel that allows you to change color and hue of the screen. If that doesn't help it sounds like you either might need to find a new screen and do a self repair or send it off for a fixing. Can't recall anybody else ever mentioning that. Unless somebody else has a better idea though, I think that's your only two options.
...man said:
Hello,
I'm a new to this so don't be mean.
My nexus 7.2 receives a grayish blueish smudge right down on the bottom middle of the screen probably on the 3rd quarter of the screen. Every time I apply medium pressure to anywhere the on bottom half of the screen the discoloration happens. Is this normal?
Thanks
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Does it look like a light bleed or something? I realize you're new and they might not let you post pictures and stuff, but it's hard to say without seeing what the screen does.
It looks like pressure is accumulating upward at the single point, creating a grayish hue. I guess to be an example, when you press hard on an LCD there will be a rainbow hue next to or on the pressure point. But mine is always at a single spot.
Yeah, I think you have a display/hardware issue on your hands. I was just playing Dungeon Hunters last night in landscape and was hitting both sides of my screen pretty intensively and saw no color changes. If it's bad enough, you'll probably need to send it in for repair or try the DIY route. Sorry, not much else I can think of to help with your issue
Okay thank you for the input. I just have one more question, since the pressure seems to accumulatting in one spot, will that crack my screen? Because the color part is minor and I do not mind that slight discoloration. All I really care about is the chance that will crack my screen.
...man said:
Okay thank you for the input. I just have one more question, since the pressure seems to accumulatting in one spot, will that crack my screen? Because the color part is minor and I do not mind that slight discoloration. All I really care about is the chance that will crack my screen.
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I doubt it, not unless you dropped it or something where you think you may have caused a weakness in the glass itself. You gotta remember, on all these device there are multiple layers to the glass itself. I'm guessing there might be a small defect in yours between two of those layers. Do you remember it happening after you did something or did it one day just start happening. If it's the latter, then definitely a manufacturing defect. If it's bad enough, if it were me I'd do some research and see how much it'd be to replace the screen. Depends on how long you were planning on keeping the tablet.
I broke my Nexus's screen and digitizer two weeks ago, I got it replaced by a company and that is when I noticed that grayish hue. Should I go back and ask them about it, because I plan to keep my tablet for a while. Also, as I said before I don't mind the color, I just want to know will my screen crack eventually from the increased (I'm guessing) pressure accumulating in that one spot.
I would definitely go ask them. Being that it is a replacement screen I'd go get either their professional opinion or another. Ideally ask them about it and then get another opinion. In a normal situation I'd say no to your screen possibly cracking, but there's something obviously wrong with the screen. I would say it shouldn't but I'd take it back and get a second opinion just to be on the safe side if it's not too much money.
Thank you for your replies.
...man said:
Thank you for your replies.
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Replacement digitizers are of various grades. There are those that work but didn't pass QC because of minor defects. These sell at lower prices. It's true that the LCD surface is harder to crack than the digitizer. But it lies on top of another much thinner layer that would crack as readily as the digitizer given undue pressure while handling it. The people who replaced should definitely be held accountable whether it's their fault or the manufacturer's. Hold them to it since if it's a tiny crack now, it's bound to expand with time..
All good here with Lollipop AOSP !!!
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Replacement digitizers are of various grades. There are those that work but didn't pass QC because of minor defects. These sell at lower prices. It's true that the LCD surface is harder to crack than the digitizer. But it lies on top of another much thinner layer that would crack as readily as the digitizer given undue pressure while handling it. The people who replaced should definitely be held accountable whether it's their fault or the manufacturer's. Hold them to it since if it's a tiny crack now, it's bound to expand with time..
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I went in and asked them about it. They told me since I broke it and had it repaired, not everything is going to be 100% and that funny looking grayish thing from pressure is the result of them putting in a new screen.
Would that grayish thing really cause my screen to crack? What should I do?
...man said:
I went in and asked them about it. They told me since I broke it and had it repaired, not everything is going to be 100% and that funny looking grayish thing from pressure is the result of them putting in a new screen.
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Well then, aren't they saying it's their doing that's causing it? I am not a technician, but I've replaced quite a few. I did it for fun, and a chance at learning what it's made of. Nothing you experienced was supposed to happen with a functional combo (even a B grade unit) , put in place carefully. They're supposed to have the necessary skills. They charged you for it. It doesn't cut it when their reply is that they don't measure up to the job, unless I'm missing something here.
Depending on the tape they used, removing the screen would more likely than not break it. But it's their responsibility. They chose the vendor, and they installed it, and now it has a defect. I'd contact the BBB if they refuse to fix it for free. It's an issue of implied warranty.
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Well then, aren't they saying it's their doing that's causing it? I am not a technician, but I've replaced quite a few. I did it for fun, and a chance at learning what it's made of. Nothing you experienced was supposed to happen with a functional combo (even a B grade unit) , put in place carefully. They're supposed to have the necessary skills. They charged you for it. It doesn't cut it when their reply is that they don't measure up to the job, unless I'm missing something here.
Depending on the tape they used, removing the screen would more likely than not break it. But it's their responsibility. They chose the vendor, and they installed it, and now it has a defect. I'd contact the BBB if they refuse to fix it for free. It's an issue of implied warranty.
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Quick question, how do I attach a picture, so you guys can see what it looks like?
Thanks
Hello :good:
I have had my phone since release day, and I noticed in the sun I can see some lines in the screen almost looks like a burn image going vertically down. There are two large lines and a rectangle looking one in the middle. It's hard to tell from the pictures, but I can see it more in person and it bugs me
Does anyone else have this? Perhaps it's some type of shadow caused by the curved screen? I am going to open a warranty claim with T mobile, but I was just curious if I am the only one with this problem?
Thank you!
ssmr2t said:
Hello :good:
I have had my phone since release day, and I noticed in the sun I can see some lines in the screen almost looks like a burn image going vertically down. There are two large lines and a rectangle looking one in the middle. It's hard to tell from the pictures, but I can see it more in person and it bugs me
Does anyone else have this? Perhaps it's some type of shadow caused by the curved screen? I am going to open a warranty claim with T mobile, but I was just curious if I am the only one with this problem?
Thank you!
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Yes I can see it too only in the sun on white background it looks like a shadow of something behind screen I read online that screen is very slim and it does bother me too this is the second thing first being a ripple in the glass top too bottom can only see it in the sun screen off no screen protector I guess the price of this phone is why these things bother me other than that this is the nicest phone I've owned and these are things I can live with as long as they don't get worse
ssmr2t said:
Hello :good:
I have had my phone since release day, and I noticed in the sun I can see some lines in the screen almost looks like a burn image going vertically down. There are two large lines and a rectangle looking one in the middle. It's hard to tell from the pictures, but I can see it more in person and it bugs me
Does anyone else have this? Perhaps it's some type of shadow caused by the curved screen? I am going to open a warranty claim with T mobile, but I was just curious if I am the only one with this problem?
Thank you!
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It's not burn in. It's part of the construction of the phone, and only visible in direct sunlight where the light can penetrate the display to the point it's revelaing the structure underneath. Completely normal. No worries
The thing is, if you look closely, you see the graph of pixels now too, seems like it's getting worse.
Its a matter of fact that you spend this much money on a "flag ship device" with a great display in store, but when I go outside (where 90% of my workday resides) you see the issue. It's misleading the customer (Such a GREAT display....((INDOORS ONLY)) ) It's just principal.
If the replacement I get tomorrow has this issue as well (I am suspecting it will based on the responses)- I will call Samsung corporate and respectfully request a full refund as Tmobile wont take it back since it's beyond 30 days.
Edit: Thanks for everyones reply
ssmr2t said:
The thing is, if you look closely, you see the graph of pixels now too, seems like it's getting worse.
Its a matter of fact that you spend this much money on a "flag ship device" with a great display in store, but when I go outside (where 90% of my workday resides) you see the issue. It's misleading the customer (Such a GREAT display....((INDOORS ONLY)) ) It's just principal.
If the replacement I get tomorrow has this issue as well (I am suspecting it will based on the responses)- I will call Samsung corporate and respectfully request a full refund as Tmobile wont take it back since it's beyond 30 days.
Edit: Thanks for everyones reply
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I can respect your position, but I disgree that Samung is "misleading" the customer. It's been confirmed through 3rd party screen test companies that the Note 5 and the S6 Edge+ have the best screens in the industry. Just because you don't like how the screen looks in direct sunlight doesn't make it bad or false advertising.
Still the best screen around, everytime I'm out with people (which is a lot) my Edge+ blows away their phones, all of them.
Excuse me?
ssmr2t said:
Hello :good:
I have had my phone since release day, and I noticed in the sun I can see some lines in the screen almost looks like a burn image going vertically down. There are two large lines and a rectangle looking one in the middle. It's hard to tell from the pictures, but I can see it more in person and it bugs me
Does anyone else have this? Perhaps it's some type of shadow caused by the curved screen? I am going to open a warranty claim with T mobile, but I was just curious if I am the only one with this problem?
Thank you!
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Really, A glass phone in direct sunlight? That's what a smartwatch is for. Do you walk down the street looking at you phone? Do you hold it up in direct sunlight? Do you understand the properties of glass? The screen is amazing. Most of the people I know that use this device do not expose it or any other phone to direct sunlight, there is even a warning in the manual about not doing so because it can seriously damage your screen. Dude, it's a glass phone. The sun is a very bright star and has a way of shining through glass. Do you find it odd that you are the only person reporting this as an issue? Go with an HTC or Iphone, they are built of metal and will not let the sun through, the drawback being that they will cut your reception slightly. This is the way it is, the phone is fine and the screen is good, but you can't please everyone.
well, anyways I got my replacement today and guess what? It doesn't have those blobs on it so big freggin deal guys. It was a one off. You guys take all this crap personally like you made the phones yourselves LOL
So I've had my Pixel 2 XL BLACK since launch day and it has by far been my most favoritest phone EVER!!!!
I bought the Google case (the one made of canvas material), and I got one for free from Google at the same time. I also purchased one of Google's Screen Protectors when they launched. The screen protector gave my screen issues. Half the time when I touched the screen nothing would happen, or if I was making a phone call, the screen would hibernate. I realized this was because of the facial sensor for like when you put the phone to your ear??? I guess having the protector on my screen, Pixel thought it was close to my ear as if I were on the phone. So I gave up on the screen protector after getting a refund from Google on that and also trying one from Incipio... Without a screen protector, my device runs fantastic! Which brings me to my next point. I find when I take my case off, after a few minutes of being naked, my Pixel runs super fast! Like brand new right out of the box fast... Is it possible that having a case on my Pixel can cause it to run slower? Is it a heat issue (the case trapping or causing heat somehow), or IS IT JUST ME???
I'm going with just you on this one.
It's possible it could hit a thermal throttle but unlikely. I say unlikely because many more people would be reporting it.
I think its a perception issue.
I feel the same way, but it seems undeniable. Thanks for your honesty, even though it hurt ?
Have you tried any benchmarks while in a case vs in your hand?
I think its just the feel of it in your hands without a case on it. I work manual labor and when I take case off some nights to clean the dust etc I just fall in love with it all over again and wish I didnt need to use a case. Thing feels so nice in the hands.
Without having your specific device in my hand I can only relate this device to the throttling turd the Nexus 6P was. That being said...I've never run across a throttling issue with mine in the 3 months I've had it.