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[ROM] (2/28/12) Magnolia 2.1.1 Final *Smooth, Stable, Suave*

Magnolia 2.1.1 Final (3/5/12)
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This is my port of a mix of the Sensation XL and Rezound Sense 3.5 shipped ROMs to the Incredible 2. My goal in making this ROM is to provide a fast, reliable, smooth and stable ROM with added features that, I believe, make it more convenient and easy to use. oh, and, if you like my ROM, please hit the thanks button....
FEATURES
Based mainly on Sensation XL build 1.17.1010.1 with bits from Rezound build 1.02.605.11;
Drellisdee's Sense kernel #21 included, with No Frills CPU for those who want to overclock;
All png files in the main graphics APKs optimized for improved performance plus some "secret" () system tweaks that add to overall speed and stability (will optimize all APKs for next release);
My personalized Tweaks app, which allows many customizations (I'll elaborate later), with more to come;
Redone and hand selected Init.d boot scripts, to increase available RAM and virtual memory, zipalign on boot, make your sdcard read speed faster, improve battery accuracy and more;
Added build.prop tweaks to improve touch responsiveness, force Rosie into memory, use hardware acceleration to drive UI, increase wifi speed and more;
Percentage battery mod;
Bloatware removed with some added (uninstallable) apps that I always find useful;
Removed most of the apps and widgets that are on your home screens after flashing, as most users just remove them anyway;
Ad-blocking hosts file (you can update via included AdFree Android app);
Much more...
INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS
Make a nandroid backup of your current ROM;
Download ROM from here: http://tinyw.in/4sja
MD5: 65b40068a24e5f6204efdb06697de04f
Put ROM on your SD Card;
Boot into clockwork mod recovery and perform a full wipe of your phone, including data/factory reset and cache partition (or use ROM Manager and select wipe data/cache before flashing). YOU MUST PERFORM THIS STEP, AS I HAVE REBUILT THE SYSTEM!!!;
Flash ROM (via CWM recovery or ROM Manager);
Reboot and let things sync, settle;
Personally, I set the CPU to 1.2 GHZ and, in Settings-->Tweaks-->Rosie Options-->Enable Quick Scroll, I use the second fastest setting. I find this provides a good mix of speed, smoothness and battery life, but please feel free to do whatever makes you happy . I've gotten it to bench at 2500 and still be very stable, so mess around a bit.
Enjoy, and let me know how I can improve the ROM. Thanks!
KNOWN ISSUES
Honeycomb lockscreen's graphics are off, Will be fixed in a patch soon...
CREDITS AND THANKS
drellisdee for his amazing kernels;
romanbb and RCteam for the Tweaks.apk, which I based mine on;
newtoroot, RCteam and rmk for their ports of the Sensation XL ROMs, which I ripped apart to figure out how to do all of this;
dsixda for his wonderful kitchens, which saves me a huge amount of time;
chrisDDD for his accurate battery percentage graphics;
All my beta testers;
the authors of the init.d scripts, mentioned above;
XDA Forums, as always;
If I forgot anyone, it was inadvertent, and a PM will see things set straight….
WARNING/DISCLAIMER
This ROM has been used by me and others, and has proved to be stable. However, I cannot guarantee that it is bug free or that will not cause problems with your phone. Accordingly, I take no responsibility for any consequences to you, others or your phone that may arise as a direct or indirect result of flashing the ROM linked to in this post. FLASH AT YOUR OWN RISK, and, if you do not know what you are doing, feel free to ask, I won't bite...

Changelog
2.1-->2.1.1
Fixed call quality issues;
Added .wma support for player;
Fixed fonts in tweaks;
Some minor tweaky stuff to updater-script and init.d ram manager scripts;
2.0-->2.1
Completely rebuilt, based on Runnymede 1.17.1010.1, and Rezound 2.01.605.11
Completely redid init.d script selection;
Added Build.prop tweaks;
Fixed all bugs from 2.0 (except white system UI FC);
Updated all apps (I hope....)
More...

Another one for me

And one more, just in case...

Looking forward to this one
Ps... you got it on the kids and sickness lol... From one parent to another, get well soon!

good to see you my man, if history repeats itself....will be my go to 3.5 rom

Excellent!
PacerguyDon said:
Looking forward to this one
Ps... you got it on the kids and sickness lol... From one parent to another, get well soon!
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I second this, excited to see a new Magnolia!

Dude, I loooooved Magnolia on my DInc.... and as for the kids... I stayed home with my smallest while she had one of the worst colds I've witnessed, and managed to not catch it. Whew.

Also looking forward to this! Thanks, cant wait..

Please to release?? I want this so bad.
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tylerlawhon said:
Please to release?? I want this so bad.
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+1000
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tylerlawhon said:
Please to release?? I want this so bad.
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You are wayyy too spoiled by NEWT lol.
just about ever other DEV would rather have their testers and make sure a solid build is ready before general release instead of just throwing out a ROM and having multiple bugs. Now this is great for those who want it, but unless you have been around MIKMIK most don't understand that they will most likely have to re-do their set-up the next day or day after and get upset about it, which is understandable, NEWT does an amazing job of killing bugs, he just needs to let the newbies know not to get upset when a full wipe comes the next day. I personally would rather wait for Mr. sk806 to wait for his dudes to give to go ahead and then with much less bugs it makes it easy to pin point the real harder to find problems instead of getting everything set up and then having to do a full wipe the next day..
I personally suggest you get on as many tester teams you can, if you are wanting this, many are looking for guys like yourself who just love to flash flash flash and give results fast. for real you spend the most time on every forum out of every person. it's impressive lol.

Very happy to see u back. Been loving your stuff sense the og inc. Take ur time, can't wait!
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Nice to see more Roms coming out!! I will definitely give it try when you release it.
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andybones said:
You are wayyy too spoiled by NEWT lol.
just about ever other DEV would rather have their testers and make sure a solid build is ready before general release instead of just throwing out a ROM and having multiple bugs. Now this is great for those who want it, but unless you have been around MIKMIK most don't understand that they will most likely have to re-do their set-up the next day or day after and get upset about it, which is understandable, NEWT does an amazing job of killing bugs, he just needs to let the newbies know not to get upset when a full wipe comes the next day. I personally would rather wait for Mr. sk806 to wait for his dudes to give to go ahead and then with much less bugs it makes it easy to pin point the real harder to find problems instead of getting everything set up and then having to do a full wipe the next day..
I personally suggest you get on as many tester teams you can, if you are wanting this, many are looking for guys like yourself who just love to flash flash flash and give results fast. for real you spend the most time on every forum out of every person. it's impressive lol.
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That has been my philosophy, stable ROMs that still are on the edge of feasible. Just wanna say Newt is a great dev and guy, and he is REALLY on the bleeding edge, so you take your lumps with that and he always gets things smooth and steady in short order. It has always been that way with XDA from at least as long as I've been around (long time, now). Some devs are slow and steady and some just bust right ahead. I admire both types, but am of the latter.
Anyway, I am a bit frustrated, because the new 3.5 Rosie is virtually un-themable right now, and I likes my pretty matte-Rosie, but, oh well... People way smarter than me are apparently close to getting m10 tools for Sense 3.5 finished (Virtuous Team). Sooo, the ROM may not have matte sense, as usual, until that happens, but I will release the base ROM sans Magnolia skin anyway. Just tidying up all the things you forget when you start from scratch. When the new m10 tools are out, I have the skin PNGs ready to go, so it'll be there soon.
Anyway, I will get the basic ROM out to my testers soon and release next week. I have had a really ****ty year - I have had glaucoma, eye surgery, lost my house and studio in a flood and have just gotten over a flu that morphed into pneumonia. It is just funny at this point, it really is. BUT, I also had my third child in October, my family is safe and happy, and I just want to end this whole 2011 thing on a good note, with my family, my job and my slightly-geeky hobby. I am really looking forward to this.
Sorry for the long post, see you all real soon...
Steve

Well put Steve. 2012 is coming...should be a better year than that!
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Uhhh
Rezound!!!!
I like that, maybe we'll see something resized a little bit better to our screen size.
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sk806 said:
That has been my philosophy, stable ROMs that still are on the edge of feasible. Just wanna say Newt is a great dev and guy, and he is REALLY on the bleeding edge, so you take your lumps with that and he always gets things smooth and steady in short order. It has always been that way with XDA from at least as long as I've been around (long time, now). Some devs are slow and steady and some just bust right ahead. I admire both types, but am of the latter.
Anyway, I am a bit frustrated, because the new 3.5 Rosie is virtually un-themable right now, and I likes my pretty matte-Rosie, but, oh well... People way smarter than me are apparently close to getting m10 tools for Sense 3.5 finished (Virtuous Team). Sooo, the ROM may not have matte sense, as usual, until that happens, but I will release the base ROM sans Magnolia skin anyway. Just tidying up all the things you forget when you start from scratch. When the new m10 tools are out, I have the skin PNGs ready to go, so it'll be there soon.
Anyway, I will get the basic ROM out to my testers soon and release next week. I have had a really ****ty year - I have had glaucoma, eye surgery, lost my house and studio in a flood and have just gotten over a flu that morphed into pneumonia. It is just funny at this point, it really is. BUT, I also had my third child in October, my family is safe and happy, and I just want to end this whole 2011 thing on a good note, with my family, my job and my slightly-geeky hobby. I am really looking forward to this.
Sorry for the long post, see you all real soon...
Steve
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LOL I'm definitely spoiled by newt as his stuff is amazing. I admire him greatly for the work he puts out. I'm fine with waiting, I just see the potential for all the new ROMs coming out and it's exciting. Some newer dev's (to me anyway). I can't wait to see what you got going Steve, and sorry to hear about all the crap happening, congrats on your latest kid. I'll be praying for you bud.
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Just to throw in my quick two cents...
Steve has talent beyond many - mostly because of his ability to ensure EVERYTHING WORKS before releasing it.
I used his Magnolia build on the original Inc...and it was the best ROM because it worked all the time every time.
The fact that he is releasing a Sense 3.5 ROM is terribly exciting, because Virtuous (which I have been running for a while now) is great - but Steve will make sure everything is good to go for us US Verizon users out of the box so to speak.
The fact that it will be Stockish Sense 3.5 (without the matte) is even more appealing to me.
Did I set the bar high buddy? lol. Thanks for all of your work!

i hope this rom will support GSM.
Thanks.

Will there ever be a ROM that is right for me?...

Ive been a fan of ROMs and customizing Android since I originally bought into the smartphone world, back in the days of Android 2.3. It originally started because not only was I already a fan of modern technology and loved to build computers and troubleshoot malfunctioning tech, but because back in the days of Android 2, ICE, and so on, there was a reason for ROMs. They added so many features to such restricted systems that did not have very many features and were prone to freezing issues due to the chip technology not allowing for fast enough CPUs to support such demanding systems, but now that my T-Mobile Note 3 SM-900T and everyone elses all have official Lollipop firmware, its hard to see why I have such a hard time finding a ROM that I like, but I will tell you why, its simple. The reason being is that I like the stock system so much more than any of the ROMs currently out there, unless... there was something I missed...
TO ALL DEVS, THIS IS WHAT I FEEL ALOT OF PEOPLE WOULD LIKE OUT OF A ROM FOR THE SM-900T. I AM NOT A DEVELOPER, I HAVE NOT A CLUE HOW TO DEV, NOR DO I HAVE THE TOOLS, THEREFORE YOU CAN GLADLY TAKE MY IDEA FOR YOUR OWN!!!
As I said before, I believe the stock system is amazing, however the battery life and speed is terrible, so of course I began by experimenting with ROMs as per the ususal, well the Alliance ROM was pretty nice, the system was extremely fast and very stable, I liked it alot. However, alot of little details began to get on my nerves. First was the 1000+ options for custom coloring and customizing of the U.I. While more choice sounds like a good thing, you come to find that there are no defaults set up. My notifications kept coming up completely blanked out with no text whatsoever because the colors had to be set. Well, navigating the Alliance custom color settings was completely unfathomable and after days of experimenting, I came up with NO positive results. It also did not have the ability to skip songs from the lockscreen via lockscreen notification, which became a real pain real fast. Having to enter your 6-digit pin while doing 60+ MPH on your way to work just to skip a song isn't fun. Eventually, Alliance had to go. The other ROM I have recently tried is the DomPop TekHD edition (since its the one based on the official lollipop firmware). At first, things looked very promising, then it bricked my phone. After following the Dev's "Failsafe/Bulletproof" installation instructions, I finally got the ROM to function, but I found that the flashing of the stock kernel on top of the custom ROM did limit its features. The ViperFX custom equalizer does not work whatsoever, google play music FC's all the time, and the phone freezes up quite often.
After my frustrations trying to use these ROMS, I came to a startling conclustion: The Stock firmware is just better! And this is what gave me the idea, because despite it being stock it comes with all the features available to modern smartphones, its pretty fast, its stable, and it never fails, so why not create a COMPLETELY STOCK ROM but with some bloatware removed, and have it tweaked to provide better battery life and performance? Honestly, the stock features are better anyways. The ONLY issue that I can find with the stock firmware is that battery life is terrible (under 8 hours on WiFi wtf????), and the system could use a little optimizing combined with a bit of overclocking (Id say 2.5 GHz is plenty). For example, my car stereo sounds so much better off the stock built-in Samsung equalizer than any profile I was ever able to make using ViperFX.
Devs, if you were to create this simple and yet amazing ROM, I; and many others would greatly appreciate it! Yes I am aware that there are some stock ROMS available for the SM-900T. HOWEVER; there aren't any that are compatible with the OFFICIAL LOLLIPOP BASEBAND/FIRMWARE AND THIS IS WHAT WE NEED!

So you tried 2 ROMs, and now all ROMs suck unless they are what your idea of a ROM should be? Lol
Seriously.... I can't even.
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toastido said:
So you tried 2 ROMs, and now all ROMs suck unless they are what your idea of a ROM should be? Lol
Seriously.... I can't even.
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Oh look here at mister moron trying to assume things. No idiot, thats not all Ive tried. Those are just examples. Ive literally tried every single ROM available on XDA for the SM-900T running the Lollipop Baseband, and MOST from back when we were still all on KitKat. If I were to give an accurate estimate, I would say Ive installed about 15-20 different ROMs on my phone. The KitKat ones were great! But now it seems like every single Lollipop-based ROM just has so many issues that its not worth running.
So yea dont even sit here and point the finger at me like Im the one with the issue, maybe next time you oughta think before you speak.
By the way, I wasnt saying all ROMs suck, cause they dont. Its just these days, the stock firmware is actually better

wallacengineering said:
Oh look here at mister moron trying to assume things. No idiot, thats not all Ive tried. Those are just examples. Ive literally tried every single ROM available on XDA for the SM-900T running the Lollipop Baseband, and MOST from back when we were still all on KitKat. If I were to give an accurate estimate, I would say Ive installed about 15-20 different ROMs on my phone. The KitKat ones were great! But now it seems like every single Lollipop-based ROM just has so many issues that its not worth running.
So yea dont even sit here and point the finger at me like Im the one with the issue, maybe next time you oughta think before you speak.
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Yeah because we know that without you saying it.
Also, No need for name calling.
But since you went there, Yeah, I went back through your post history. Seems you don't know actually what you're doing, so, I'll just leave it at that.

toastido said:
Yeah because we know that without you saying it.
Also, No need for name calling.
But since you went there, Yeah, I went back through your post history. Seems you don't know actually what you're doing, so, I'll just leave it at that.
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Ya sure, because Ive been doing this for years, and I Imagine I'm a whole lot better at it than you, Ive rooted and put ROMs on phones for family, friends, co-workers, and more. Ive probably customized about 100 different phones. So how many have you done successfully? And what? Ur afraid of names? You wanna be a cry baby then get the hell out of my thread and STAY OUT!
... Disrespectful little POS you think you have a right to talk down to me? U talk all big but ur smaller than a pebble

wallacengineering said:
Ya sure, because Ive been doing this for years, and I Imagine I'm a whole lot better at it than you, Ive rooted and put ROMs on phones for family, friends, co-workers, and more. Ive probably customized about 100 different phones. So how many have you done successfully? And what? Ur afraid of names? You wanna be a cry baby then get the hell out of my thread and STAY OUT!
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And you accuse me of assumptions? Bwahahahaha!
Someone's butthurt! Call the waambulance!

toastido said:
And you accuse me of assumptions? Bwahahahaha!
Someone's butthurt! Call the waambulance!
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hahaha, ya ur not funny, you sound like one of those annoying 5 year olds. Now seriously, go be a moron somewhere else, Im done replying to your idiocy, thank you

wallacengineering said:
hahaha, ya ur not funny, you sound like one of those annoying 5 year olds. Now seriously, go be a moron somewhere else, Im done replying to your idiocy, thank you
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Stock rooted+Xposed is what all the cool kids are doing now. Roms are a bit redundant/unecessary if you can shove enough extra functionality into stock and be more stable/efficient at the same time.
Also you post like a teenager with daddy issues, might want to use full words like a big boy.

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ur the one who started all the whining, so I think its pretty funny how you talk about yourself. Oh hey, whats that, its time for my date? oh right, something you have probably never heard of. Anyways, too busy to deal with the likes of you or anyone in this stupid forum if thats how all of you act, I'll just use a rival site for all my needs. This, XDA, is how you loose a customer, peace.

Wtf
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KoscheiTheDeathless said:
Stock rooted+Xposed is what all the cool kids are doing now. Roms are a bit redundant/unecessary if you can shove enough extra functionality into stock and be more stable/efficient at the same time.
Also you post like a teenager with daddy issues, might want to use full words like a big boy.
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Since when does anyone care whatsoever about how someone types on a forum? Is this really what your life revolves around, peoples online spelling, really? Thats what is so damn important? If that is what you are truly concerned about, go get some help, like now. Ya no, see Im 23 years old, out here livin' life, enjoying it (So far at least), and makin' money, which is why come September Im gonna be one of the first and only people I even know to walk out of a T-Mobile store with a brand new Samsung Galaxy Note 5 paid up front, in cash . You really think Im concerned with what anyone has to say on some two-bit forum site, especially when I know you are only backing this other stupid guy because hes a higher "rank" than me? Wow, you people are truly pathetic, wasteful, miserable excuses for human beings. Im pretty sure the world would have been a much better place had neither one of you two been born. and its really funny how me and the guys are just sitting here with a couple beers and joints, just laughing our asses off as you all get trolled by the boss. Hahahahaha screw this site and everyone on it. I was polite and nice for years on here and this is the thanks I get? A bunch of ridicule for having an opinion? Wow, I think all of you need to move to Colorado where Im at and learn to chill the hell out. Now Im busy, bouts to go get some action, peace!

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Wtf
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Idk man lol, seems like some people are just up-tight little b****** rofl

wallacengineering said:
Idk man lol, seems like some people are just up-tight little b****** rofl
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Did you hack netnanny ?

dannesalo said:
Did you hack netnanny ?
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Huh? Hack someone? No no no, I dont hack people. I have no desire to be mean to anyone, I have more respect for people than that. He started this ridiculous quarrel, and I ended it, with facts. Pretty easy to get people to back off when they themselves know they are causing issues for no reason whatsoever other than they literally want to pick fights. Which by the way, seems pretty stupid to do over the internet lol. Pretty immature, too. Im sure a moderator got him or something along those lines.

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Huh? Hack someone? No no no, I dont hack people. I have no desire to be mean to anyone, I have more respect for people than that. He started this ridiculous quarrel, and I ended it, with facts. Pretty easy to get people to back off when they themselves know they are causing issues for no reason whatsoever other than they literally want to pick fights. Which by the way, seems pretty stupid to do over the internet lol. Pretty immature, too. Im sure a moderator got him or something along those lines.
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I have learned to tolerate people..I just found my mission of god I think.

YO! Anyone got some more butter for this popcorn???????
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Thread closed!
OP you will get NO help from anyone with your ridiculous attitude and over sensitivity to criticism
If you have so much experience, please learn to build your own perfect ROM and share it

How customizable is this phone?

Hello guys!
I had experiences with several brands. I gave up Samsung due to the Knox Counter and Sony due to the DRM keys. The best experience so far I had with my late Nexus 5! How easy is to customize the HTC 10? I never had HTC's before. Regarding ease of customization, bootloader unlock and warranty how does it go? I am about to return an Axon 7 and maybe exchange it with a 10.
Thanks in advance!

gibawatts said:
Hello guys!
I had experiences with several brands. I gave up Samsung due to the Knox Counter and Sony due to the DRM keys. The best experience so far I had with my late Nexus 5! How easy is to customize the HTC 10? I never had HTC's before. Regarding ease of customization, bootloader unlock and warranty how does it go? I am about to return an Axon 7 and maybe exchange it with a 10.
Thanks in advance!
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Assuming you have the Verizon model....Once you use Sunshine to S-Off this phone the world is your oyster. Great/robust dev community and help/support/guides to assist you through anything you want to do with your phone.
The combination of the above and that HTC makes what I think are the most gorgeous looking and well built phones...it's been a win win for me since my Thunderbolt lol

gibawatts said:
Hello guys!
I had experiences with several brands. I gave up Samsung due to the Knox Counter and Sony due to the DRM keys. The best experience so far I had with my late Nexus 5! How easy is to customize the HTC 10? I never had HTC's before. Regarding ease of customization, bootloader unlock and warranty how does it go? I am about to return an Axon 7 and maybe exchange it with a 10.
Thanks in advance!
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I've had a huge amount of devices, ( look at my sig and you'll see) and I've always come back to HTC, reason being is that they offer something a little different, but what's more they always have the most talented developers and the oldest serving, on XDA, Villain rom, etc, they always come up with the goods.
Not to mention that the root, unlocking of the bootloader and s-off (if you s-off) is reversible. Samsung is not, as it has an efuse chip as does the nexus too AFAIK.
There literally isn't anything you can't change on this device and with pretty much any other htc device, if you've had a htc before and gone on to something else, Sony or Sammy are good examples, you'll always be looking back over the fence, and when a new HTC comes out you'll just hate your current device, eg: I got rid of a six month old nexus 6P for this 10
Just unlock the bootloader, s-off if you must or want to, I believe that you can flash firmwares easier with it switched off, it's £20 so not great but it always works, install a custom recovery and flash away.
In terms of roms, Venom probably offers the most comprehensive list of tweaks and mods but LeeDroid is equally as good and as customizable, perhaps not with the length of venom tweaks but still great. Other roms I can guess are similar and when CM is completely fixed, well start seeing CM, AOSP and similar roms heading for us too.
In short, the answer to your question is a huge yes, I don't think I'll ever get another Samsung or Sony again, nothing wrong with them, they're just not for me and I'll miss HTC if I do.

Stripped, themed, ghostpeppered, and running like a bat out of hell....
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bakemcbride21 said:
Great/robust dev community and help/support/guides to assist you through anything you want to do with your phone.
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I hope I can piggy-back off of this thread just a bit.
When you refer to the developer community for HTC, are you referring particularly to here on XDA-Developers, or in general everywhere? I'm thinking of getting an HTC 10, but I'm wondering the best/simplest way to keep it going with Android updates well past HTC's stated support period. I haven't done anything with my HTC Incredible S, but I'm looking to be a bit more proactive with my next phone. What are some of the more stable ROMs that you--or anyone else, for that matter--would recommend to keep this phone continually updated for years to come? Longevity is important to me.

SlowRain said:
I hope I can piggy-back off of this thread just a bit.
When you refer to the developer community for HTC, are you referring particularly to here on XDA-Developers, or in general everywhere? I'm thinking of getting an HTC 10, but I'm wondering the best/simplest way to keep it going with Android updates well past HTC's stated support period. I haven't done anything with my HTC Incredible S, but I'm looking to be a bit more proactive with my next phone. What are some of the more stable ROMs that you--or anyone else, for that matter--would recommend to keep this phone continually updated for years to come? Longevity is important to me.
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Long time Samsung user here. I got my US unlocked HTC 10 a few months ago. Best phone I ever had. Would not even consider an S7 in comparison.
The two primary Sense-based Roms for the 10 are Viper and LeeDroid. I've tried both and prefer Viper. I think that would be your long-term solution. Get an unlocked 10 if you can afford to for maximum flexibility and choice of service providers. Unlock the bootloader, S-Off, and flash Viper. You can't go wrong in my opinion.
BTW, this is just a general discussion thread. Each Rom, Kernel, recovery, etc etc have their own dedicated threads where you'll find in-depth info.

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The two primary Sense-based Roms for the 10 are Viper and LeeDroid.
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Are there any inherent advantages of a Sense-based ROM in terms of stability or ease of installation? Sorry for such a pedestrian question, but is there anything as simple as good ol' Nexus-style vanilla Android, or is that something that's even too easy to be asking about?

Thanks guys, still considering the 10. Now I am between the 10, 6P and Pixel XL. The painful fact is that I am currently with no phone. When I went to return the Axon, there were no 10s in stock at the store. The wait for the Pixel is just killing me! And to worsen things a bit, I just ran into a 128 GB Nexus 6P. I am a real sucker for OLED screens you, know? That is why I still didn't buy the 10.

SlowRain said:
Are there any inherent advantages of a Sense-based ROM in terms of stability or ease of installation? Sorry for such a pedestrian question, but is there anything as simple as good ol' Nexus-style vanilla Android, or is that something that's even too easy to be asking about?
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Gawd, I could never go back to stock. Most people want a custom Rom firstly to get rid of all the bloatware installed by their service providers. Apps you'll never use, sitting there taking up space and even running in the background. Then there is the customizing you can do to set up your phone just how you want it. However, HTC has promised us that they will be providing us with a Rom upgrade to Android 7 in a couple of months and that Rom may be nice as-is. Bottom line - if you want maximum control over your 10, go custom. If stock meets your needs stay with that.

Aurelius99 said:
Gawd, I could never go back to stock. Most people want a custom Rom firstly to get rid of all the bloatware installed by their service providers. Apps you'll never use, sitting there taking up space and even running in the background. Then there is the customizing you can do to set up your phone just how you want it. However, HTC has promised us that they will be providing us with a Rom upgrade to Android 7 in a couple of months and that Rom may be nice as-is. Bottom line - if you want maximum control over your 10, go custom. If stock meets your needs stay with that.
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I'm sorry, I may not have been clear. I was asking about a Sense-based ROM vs. stock Android (not stock Sense). I'd like it as simple, stripped down, and Nexus-like as possible, but I don't know how much tinkering each modder does with their various ROMs. I also want a ROM from a modder who will support it down the road for several Android versions, but I seem to have an answer to that question already. What I don't understand yet is the likelihood of stock/vanilla Android running smoothly on the HTC 10. Is that what's being called AOSP, or is that something else entirely?
(For what it's worth, I'd be getting the international version, called the M10h, I believe.)

SlowRain said:
I'm sorry, I may not have been clear. I was asking about a Sense-based ROM vs. stock Android (not stock Sense). I'd like it as simple, stripped down, and Nexus-like as possible, but I don't know how much tinkering each modder does with their various ROMs. I also want a ROM from a modder who will support it down the road for several Android versions, but I seem to have an answer to that question already. What I don't understand yet is the likelihood of stock/vanilla Android running smoothly on the HTC 10. Is that what's being called AOSP, or is that something else entirely?
(For what it's worth, I'd be getting the international version, called the M10h, I believe.)
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AOSP is the Android Open Source Project. Yes, this is sometimes referred to as the "stock" Rom. Google provides the code base for the stock Rom. Various developers use this code base and then add their own code enhancements to produce an extended version of the stock Rom. Most custom Roms are Cyanogenmod-based. This is the company that has put their particular twist on the stock Rom. A Sense-based Rom is yet another enhanced version of the stock Rom. Both use the same AOSP code base and customize it in various ways and for various phones.
Some people actually do prefer the more standard stock Rom for various reasons. It is simpler and typically more robust for dealing with the limited and specific tasks it was designed for. A good custom Rom can be just as robust as stock in every way, but also allows the user to do much more with the phone. It can be overclocked to run much faster, have better audio, a highly customizable user interface, and so on.
Viper, on the Sense-based side, and Resurrection Remix on the Cyanogenmod-based side are both better than the stock Rom in my view and people using those Roms get many more updates to their Roms via the developers than stock Rom users do. Some developers are still producing custom Roms for the Samsung SII -- a very old phone that Samsung dropped support for years ago.
Check this out for the HTC 10:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/development/rom-21-02-viper10-1-0-0-tweaks-hub-t3379151

Aurelius99 said:
A Sense-based Rom is yet another enhanced version of the stock Rom. Both use the same AOSP code base and customize it in various ways and for various phones.
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Can I assume a Sense-based ROM will have a better chance of everything working properly (ie. camera, NFC, audio, etc.) since it's starting off with something further down the fork in AOSP designed specifically for the HTC 10? Or am I misunderstanding how ROMs work?

SlowRain said:
Can I assume a Sense-based ROM will have a better chance of everything working properly (ie. camera, NFC, audio, etc.) since it's starting off with something further down the fork in AOSP designed specifically for the HTC 10? Or am I misunderstanding how ROMs work?
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Haha, you're really doing your research.
Yes, a sense based ROM is less likely to have bugs, however bugs are usually listed in the OP of every rom thread. A matured AOSP ROM won't have anything broken, but things may not work as well or as intended by HTC.
I think sense based is the way to go with this device, lots of good features HTC has developed that work well with the phone like the camera application and blinkfeed. Not to mention the polished look of the phone in general and the underrated theme store, it just works well together. You'd lose all of that with AOSP, not so much key features not working.

BadUsername said:
Haha, you're really doing your research.
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Yes. It's my most annoying characteristic, according to my wife. Now I just have to find a developer who keeps things simple & stable, and who will support it until 2021.
Thanks for your replies. And I apologize to gibawatts for hijacking this thread a bit. I hope it was still useful for you, too.

Did you guys decide?
It's still $150 off, which assisted me in my decision to go from the Nexus 5 to the htc 10 (and a nice, even doubling for us OCD types).
My short answer: the htc 10 is ever-so-slightly less customisable than the Nexus 5; I've installed everything on it that I had on the Nexus (SuperSU, Xposed, Gravitybox, Xprivacy, AdAway, etc.). N-ify works on it.
My only "issue" so far is that GravityBox can't remove the Calculator and Extreme Power Saver quicktile htc put there..real fine points here. (I've only had the thing 2 days, so there may be more but no show-stoppers for a purist like me). Sense 8 is more like an alternative launcher than an overhaul like TouchWiz or old versions of Sense. Wife likes it (coming from her N5/NovaLauncher) and I'm giving it a whirl.
Manual firmware updates would be the only caveat AFAICT but that is still better than what I had with N5: OTAs broke and I just never installed them due to lack of interest...not a habit I want to carry with me, however. My point being that the Nexus 5 was actually more of a hassle to me to update than what this seems like it would be (though I've not tested it yet but there's much discussion on the procedure here).
Wife is attached to OLED (SIII had a wonderful display) but she likes the htc 10 display and did not like the N5 display.

I love the feedback you guys got/gave here. This here is a model XDA thread.
I would just like to add that HTC's Sense ROM is quite bare-boned compared to other non-Nexus OEMs. Compared to the Axon, it'll look almost like a Nexus device.
Everyone else pretty much covered the other important things. I'd like to point out that CM/AOSP/Vanilla ROMs for the HTC 10 are still a bit down the road and they still need quite a bit of work, so when you get it, expect to either stay with Sense, or Sense-based custom ROMs for at least the next few months. No complaints on that from my side. Even if you do eventually flash CM/AOSP/Vanilla ROMs, I'll wager that you'll end up downloading some of HTC's apps, like Camera, Gallery, and Music. They blow away vanilla Android apps and 3rd party alternatives.

samisax said:
Compared to the Axon,...
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ZTE being mod-hostile turned me off to them; they have to establish a solid history of unlock/mod-friendliness for me to even look at them. (No, a press release stating that they would, in the future, answer questions from CyanogenMod folks to develop their ROM doesn't win me over in any way whatsoever.)
I surmised that the OnePlus 3 was too customised to be considered a Nexus spiritual successor (it was the phone I wanted to like/buy). Really, they only need to make good hardware and just use already-made AOSP and spend dev time getting drivers and such primo to have a winner (and with lower overhead) rather than trying to reinvent the wheel that nobody will want. It's like they're trying to sorta be Nexus and sorta be Sense/TouchWiz/et al but is there really a market for that? Is there really no market for Nexus? (I dunno...the Pixel thing has me befuddled and the no-more-Nexus thing has me ferhoodled.)
So, yeah, I'm liking the htc 10, which, being both funny and sad, I didn't even look at. My wife mentioned it and the $150 off, so we took a look and got'em. (I was still soured by my Evo 3D experience that led me to use then-Best Buy's 30-day return policy)
One more tid-bit I neglected to mention earlier: I'm glad I got the unlocked/dev version...no issue getting official RUUs all official-like, officially. I don't ever want to deal with "carrier" stuff.
P.S. Good to know about the camera, gallery, and music apps. Those are important to my wife (I'm happy with those being "functional" but also happy to just have the same software between us..easier to maintain and to answer her questions).

No more root

Hello, between 20170114 and 20170117 version, I lost root and don't know what to do.
I tried with supersu, with recovery zip file, but nothing solved.
I reinstalled (dirt way too) 20170114 and root is here again.
Sm-n9005 (hlte Samsung note 3 international), crister12's work
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Being worked on, I reckon. https://review.lineageos.org/#/c/154019

Thanks for your reply
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If you build the rom it's simple you have to add export WITH_SU=true to your envsetup.sh

I'd love to, but I don't know how to
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Relax, it's there (sort of)
** "Root will be a downloadable zip based install similar to gapps installation (only need to flash it once)." **
The zip root package will probably be up shortly after all the initial builds get loaded.
If folks were willing to wait a month for the ROM, waiting a day or two more to root it doesn't seem unreasonable. Besides, if you are using things such as Google Pay, first, via con Dios, and second, it usually won't work on a rooted device anyway. About the only thing I would REALLY miss with an un-rooted Lineage OS build would be the use of Titanium Backup, but since it takes about 3 minutes for TWRP to do a Nandroid of the whole thing it is a tradeoff that I for one would be willing to live with.

nezlek said:
** "Root will be a downloadable zip based install similar to gapps installation (only need to flash it once)." **
The zip root package will probably be up shortly after all the initial builds get loaded.
If folks were willing to wait a month for the ROM, waiting a day or two more to root it doesn't seem unreasonable. Besides, if you are using things such as Google Pay, first, via con Dios, and second, it usually won't work on a rooted device anyway. About the only thing I would REALLY miss with an un-rooted Lineage OS build would be the use of Titanium Backup, but since it takes about 3 minutes for TWRP to do a Nandroid of the whole thing it is a tradeoff that I for one would be willing to live with.
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not on my s3. lol.

OK, maybe not THREE minutes
Sal82,
Well, OK. Four? Five? Even my most loaded device takes not much more than five. Guess I'm a lightweight user after all. In the worst case I'll start the backup before going to sleep. Surely it would be done in time for breakfast. :cyclops:
(laughter is always better when it is shared)
I am just amazed at the number of folks seemingly lining up to say "build for me" as opposed to those asking how they can contribute, as well as the folks bristling at the notion that the builds will not be delivered with the features they want. Poor babies. Life is tough, and them that wants for free have a certain level of audacity in thinking they can dictate terms to a very hard working group of people who are busting their butts to get this thing moving, and not charging a red cent for all of their hard work. The malcontents could always just download the not yet built source versions, add the root capability - there ARE instructions after all - build the ROM from scratch and have what they want. Personally, I'm not THAT good at doing certain things yet, so I am willing to wait patiently and offer what services I CAN perform to support the effort. The old CM builds rescued two devices for me - one from pretty much dead brick useless and the other from a vendor who thought all my private data should go to a server in China without my consent, so I'm just plain appreciative :good:

nezlek said:
Sal82,
Well, OK. Four? Five? Even my most loaded device takes not much more than five. Guess I'm a lightweight user after all. In the worst case I'll start the backup before going to sleep. Surely it would be done in time for breakfast. :cyclops:
(laughter is always better when it is shared)
I am just amazed at the number of folks seemingly lining up to say "build for me" as opposed to those asking how they can contribute, as well as the folks bristling at the notion that the builds will not be delivered with the features they want. Poor babies. Life is tough, and them that wants for free have a certain level of audacity in thinking they can dictate terms to a very hard working group of people who are busting their butts to get this thing moving, and not charging a red cent for all of their hard work. The malcontents could always just download the not yet built source versions, add the root capability - there ARE instructions after all - build the ROM from scratch and have what they want. Personally, I'm not THAT good at doing certain things yet, so I am willing to wait patiently and offer what services I CAN perform to support the effort. The old CM builds rescued two devices for me - one from pretty much dead brick useless and the other from a vendor who thought all my private data should go to a server in China without my consent, so I'm just plain appreciative :good:
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more like 15-20 minutes. but i'm not complaining. i have an abundance of patience. you have to be patient when dealing with older devices.
and i also agree with you. your wife/girlfriend won't cheat on you(with me ) if you need to flash another zip to gain root access.
i'm PATIENTLY waiting for the zip file.

We can root with phhs superuser

ludwiglaisne said:
Hello, between 20170114 and 20170117 version, I lost root and don't know what to do.
I tried with supersu, with recovery zip file, but nothing solved.
I reinstalled (dirt way too) 20170114 and root is here again.
Sm-n9005 (hlte Samsung note 3 international), crister12's work
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Flash magisk v10.2

This root business was handled badly... users are upset, other developers are upset. I am not going to give my analysis unless specifically asked.
However, I have a few questions regarding this, and I hope someone can kindly answer them.
So, I am on d2att (Samsung Galaxy S3 - ATT) with LOS 14.1 and gapps
I flashed experimental build, rebooted, then, flashed the only LOS build for my device so far. I lost root.
I flashed supersu from here: https://download.chainfire.eu/1021/SuperSU/SR3-SuperSU-v2.79-SR3-20170114223742.zip. Of course, it did not work. I uninstalled it.
There is some whoha about Chainfire selling SuperSu to CCMT: https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/54xdmp/ccmt_who_exactly_are_the_owners_of_supersu/ So, now I could have untrustworthy files/access to my device, right? What do I do now -- Wipe clean and use ODIN to flash a clean ROM?
And that ROM would be to either go back to CM13 (last release) or build my own LOS ROM (with SU), right?
Now, I am hunting for root access (I don't know enough) Phh's SU on f-droid, Okay... what do I need to do? Some one posted instructions on reddit not to delete dalvik-cache after installing Phh's SU or do other things as they are risky... at this point, I don't know enough and not sure where to look. All in all, as I said before, root business was handled badly!

goodflood said:
This root business was handled badly... users are upset, other developers are upset. I am not going to give my analysis unless specifically asked.
However, I have a few questions regarding this, and I hope someone can kindly answer them.
So, I am on d2att (Samsung Galaxy S3 - ATT) with LOS 14.1 and gapps
I flashed experimental build, rebooted, then, flashed the only LOS build for my device so far. I lost root.
I flashed supersu from here: https://download.chainfire.eu/1021/SuperSU/SR3-SuperSU-v2.79-SR3-20170114223742.zip. Of course, it did not work. I uninstalled it.
There is some whoha about Chainfire selling SuperSu to CCMT: https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/54xdmp/ccmt_who_exactly_are_the_owners_of_supersu/ So, now I could have untrustworthy files/access to my device, right? What do I do now -- Wipe clean and use ODIN to flash a clean ROM?
And that ROM would be to either go back to CM13 (last release) or build my own LOS ROM (with SU), right?
Now, I am hunting for root access (I don't know enough) Phh's SU on f-droid, Okay... what do I need to do? Some one posted instructions on reddit not to delete dalvik-cache after installing Phh's SU or do other things as they are risky... at this point, I don't know enough and not sure where to look. All in all, as I said before, root business was handled badly!
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I am not getting how this was "handled badly". You have to flash an extra zip file ONCE.

Must have missed the memos
Handled badly? PUH...leeze.
I have lost track of the number of: "this is done totally at your own risk" notifications that appear on this web site.
ALL of the root-related issues have been SO CLEARLY SPELLED OUT on the Lineage web site that even a total klutz like me figured it out.
Perhaps some folks feel the Lineage builds aren't worth what they are paying for them? No, that won't make sense, either.
Of course, we can always ASSUME someone made a complete Nandroid backup of their device before flashing the new ROM so that they can return to their previous configuration within minutes of deciding there was anything about the new ROM they didn't like, right ??
And since the first Lineage builds are pretty much the last CM builds with not much more than the logo stuff re-done, I am going to have to think for quite a while about the definition of "badly." Way too many people are expending a whole lot of effort at no expense to any of us to make this happen. GRATITUDE seems like a more appropriate response.
I must have missed the memos.

Root binaries are up...
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@jhedfors
flashing once... yes, thank you!
handled badly... besides the order in which rootless ROMs came out and root-zip came out, there was still a bit of chatter on their Gerrit from other developers, not necessarily back and forth but explanations into the big root change. Developers had to find work-arounds and adapt. For users, granted, they said build your own with SU, which I not up to yet, or wait for root/zip,... there are all levels of users and developers!
It is only a few days, but if they were still deciding... 1 week 2 weeks! I do understand the reasoning for why and agree with you, but they could have communicated this "big change" a little more so everyone involved would would have been better prepared!
@nezlek
missed the memo... LOL
but, memoS... is it metioned more than once... where?
so clearly spelled out... I totally disagree!
klutz... me I guess I am the king of klutz, with no one greater!
paying for them...? Perhaps the choice should have been clearer, so users know what they are "buying"... then they have a choice... stay on CM (with December security update) build your own or even do nothing.
Nandroid... yes, thank you... that would have done it. I am getting more organized with different tools... Appeater, bulk install and whatever else! I am definitely motivated to try building now!
Yes, LOS not much more than CM builds than a redone logo... AND ROOT REMOVED! See caps effect... highlight, stupid flashing things... rootless ROM paragraph (or a whole post) in itself, ROM file names with --noroot.zip would have all help. This is a big change; publicity would have been good. A post on its own, a better, sequence of events, etc. would have helped. For a definition of badly, see my response to @jhedfors above!
Grateful... I am! Having done some work myself, I know it takes a lot more than what I am capable of. Spoilt is more like it... never had to worry about root or look elsewhere or at other solutions!
At the end, as you say "...at your own risk" - no one made me do it, and my over sight is my FAULT!
@alexiuss
Again, thanks

In descending order of importance
First, (seriously) glad you finally got everything under control. That IS, after all, why we all are here.
Second, ditto on the Nandroid thing. My personal attempts at development often result in "damned glad I had this" far too often for someone with more expertise than yours truly. I barely turn a device on any more without a reasonably current TWRP based backup of the whole thing. Clearly it is the reason God made SD cards, in my humble opinion.
Your observation about being perhaps somewhat "spoiled" is well made. We all have been spoiled to a very large extent. Cyanogen was a well funded operation from the get go and managed to burn through MILLIONS in venture capital backing from all accounts. Frankly, I am not sure how they shall survive going forward since I think their new business model is inherently flawed, but "esta no mi problem, amigo."
Lineage is certainly at this moment a different type of operation. SOMEONE is eventually going to be paying the bills, and it might have made - in perfect hindsight - sense to hold back all of the releases until they were all completely ready to go, but I suspect the approval rating for the "as they are ready" mode is pretty high.
Folks need to sit back and enjoy the eventual ride. Especially those of us - SELF INCLUDED - who are fortunate enough to either have or will be able to soon expect our builds to be loaded up.
There's an old piece of Polish folk wisdom that applies pretty well in this case: "it will all heal by the wedding day."
Peace.

Me too... glad things are under control... as I know what I am doing I was being naive hoping that small bugs for my device got fixed so soon... again like you said... backup
Nandroid... I was using onandroid with nandroid manager, then, stopped as I went from CM 12 to 13 to 14 without problems. Did not even have to consider wiping anything (really spoilt or taking risks)! I need to look at the updated files/apps and TWRP based backup... always a good idea to have a backup especially if I/you are going to touch something that is a daily driver.
Cyanogenmod was going fine (I guess) before CM Inc. But, yes, I agree about sustainability and their business plan. Donations out of the goodness of the hearts of some people is helping for now.
If things go bad (some devices loose support) then hopefully there is someone who mods and builds for self and provides the file to others. Or, we'll be at the mercy of OEMs. Honesty, google devices might start looking good from "getting updates often" perspective. Or, stick to the legacy devices and hope nothing bad happens.
Yes, they could have held back all releases or at least until the root files were available. I agree... I am sure they wanted to push at least something "out the door" as soon as they could.
LOS is a different operation, yes... from when CM was under CM Inc. and although they returned to their roots, perhaps will be different from before... who knows! It is good to be cautious and ready, just in further shake ups happen... no guarantee of anything! Good to keep our head up!
nezlek said:
First, (seriously) glad you finally got everything under control. That IS, after all, why we all are here.
Second, ditto on the Nandroid thing. My personal attempts at development often result in "damned glad I had this" far too often for someone with more expertise than yours truly. I barely turn a device on any more without a reasonably current TWRP based backup of the whole thing. Clearly it is the reason God made SD cards, in my humble opinion.
Your observation about being perhaps somewhat "spoiled" is well made. We all have been spoiled to a very large extent. Cyanogen was a well funded operation from the get go and managed to burn through MILLIONS in venture capital backing from all accounts. Frankly, I am not sure how they shall survive going forward since I think their new business model is inherently flawed, but "esta no mi problem, amigo."
Lineage is certainly at this moment a different type of operation. SOMEONE is eventually going to be paying the bills, and it might have made - in perfect hindsight - sense to hold back all of the releases until they were all completely ready to go, but I suspect the approval rating for the "as they are ready" mode is pretty high.
Folks need to sit back and enjoy the eventual ride. Especially those of us - SELF INCLUDED - who are fortunate enough to either have or will be able to soon expect our builds to be loaded up.
There's an old piece of Polish folk wisdom that applies pretty well in this case: "it will all heal by the wedding day."
Peace.
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The root zip when flashed on my OnePlus 3 only works with a couple apps like TitaniumBackup. Busybox doesn't recognize root, nor does Magisk.
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So, this is happening again... LineageOS 15.1 nightlies have started trickling out and there is no addonsu-15.1-arm-signed.zip available...
I am going to assume NOT to flash 14.1 addonSU on a 15.1 ROM... correct me if I am wrong in thinking ==> It is only addonSU, it might work!

Question Is it safe to say?

That there is going to be very little development for this phone? I skipped the last few pixels, and was excited to get back into the game with the P6. But never did I remember it taking this long for Roms and mods to develop. Seems as though those days are gone. Samsung with their creation of Good Lock, seems to have surpassed the Pixel.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I haven't kept count, but there's been news in this section of at least 4-6 different ROMs for the P6P.
We have at least 3-4 custom kernels, as well.
As far as other development, click the Development or Mods filters and see what helpful things folks have cooked up for us so far, less than two months after the phone has been in user's hands.

PhilPan said:
That there is going to be very little development for this phone? I skipped the last few pixels, and was excited to get back into the game with the P6. But never did I remember it taking this long for Roms and mods to develop. Seems as though those days are gone. Samsung with their creation of Good Lock, seems to have surpassed the Pixel.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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I think there are at least 5 kernels already. Also I think there are at least another 3 or 4 roms either being tested or already having stable builds. There are also many mods already. I don't think the days of yore are quite gone yet...

Development and developer's will come... especially if they have the source code and the device!

I think this is all wishful thinking boys. The mods and roms that are out there are slim compared to the old days. You guys are reaching for straws here. Those days are over

I know for sure the devs behind Scorpion are working on bringup. Rom bringup for most devices is not easy or quick. Give it a few more months.

Phil would be a good Grinch

I'm a realist boys. Just ain't gonna happen. Sadly, I maybe forced to jump back to the S22 when it's released.
I hope you guys prove me wrong.

Actually I was dead surprised by the amount of development activities going on here, the multitude of Kernels and the first custom ROMs after very few weeks after release.
This is something that actually reminded me of "old times" whereas many other devices show comparable little development activities.
Not sure what you are looking for but I have to agree that "old times" are over - nowadays the necessity for custom development is much smaller than is was back then....

PhilPan said:
I'm a realist boys. Just ain't gonna happen. Sadly, I maybe forced to jump back to the S22 when it's released.
I hope you guys prove me wrong.
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No, that's not being a realist, that's being a pessimist, my dude. Realist is looking at things realistically, the good and bad. Pessimism is looking at everything negatively, realistically or no. You are doing the latter

s3axel said:
Actually I was dead surprised by the amount of development activities going on here, the multitude of Kernels and the first custom ROMs after very few weeks after release.
This is something that actually reminded me of "old times" whereas many other devices show comparable little development activities.
Not sure what you are looking for but I have to agree that "old times" are over - nowadays the necessity for custom development is much smaller than is was back then....
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I'd like to be able to have some customization, aside form the little that is out there. Also, it's just too difficult to upgrade anymore. I no people will chime in and say it's not. But it is. Having to hook to a computer and do adb commands to take an update is not something I want to be to doing all the time, praying my data isn't lost.
Samsung has surpassed the Pixel development community. I know people will hate on that, but it's true. I was able to do so much more with my Samsung out of the box, then I can with my Pixel. Add in the connection issues, and this is a dud.

PhilPan said:
I'm a realist boys. Just ain't gonna happen. Sadly, I maybe forced to jump back to the S22 when it's released.
I hope you guys prove me wrong.
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Seems like you already had your mind made up to begin with considering you're disregarding almost everything people are saying, which makes one wonder why you even opened this thread to begin with

Lughnasadh said:
Seems like you already had your mind made up to begin with considering you're disregarding almost everything people are saying, which makes one wonder why you even opened this thread to begin with
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My mind is definitely not made up. I hate Samsung. But you have to give them props for what they have done. I was so excited to come back to Pixel land. But around a month later I'm ehhhhhhhh.

PhilPan said:
I'd like to be able to have some customization, aside form the little that is out there. Also, it's just too difficult to upgrade anymore. I no people will chime in and say it's not. But it is. Having to hook to a computer and do adb commands to take an update is not something I want to be to doing all the time, praying my data isn't lost.
Samsung has surpassed the Pixel development community. I know people will hate on that, but it's true. I was able to do so much more with my Samsung out of the box, then I can with my Pixel. Add in the connection issues, and this is a dud.
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Yeah, all those issues when updating via Fastboot or ADB are a bit unsettling - I guess we have to wait for TWRP for a bit more of leeway. But at least we have a phone which can be unlocked and relocked without issues or warranty impacts !
As to tweaking: I was missing Gravitybox but got most of the tweaks thanks to the developers here - so that is good for me, but of course your mileage may vary ....
In the end I think we have seen the beginning of development on this phone, not its end

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Yeah, all those issues when updating via Fastboot or ADB are a bit unsettling - I guess we have to wait for TWRP for a bit more of leeway. But at least we have a phone which can be unlocked and relocked without issues or warranty impacts !
As to tweaking: I was missing Gravitybox but got most of the tweaks thanks to the developers here - so that is good for me, but of course your mileage may vary ....
In the end I think we have seen the beginning of development on this phone, not its end
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Thank you for seeing my point there.
And I am hoping you are correct.

PhilPan said:
My mind is definitely not made up. I hate Samsung. But you have to give them props for what they have done. I was so excited to come back to Pixel land. But around a month later I'm ehhhhhhhh.
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"Just ain't gonna happen".
Sure sounds like your mind is made up..
Also, "...a month later...". I don't think it's being a "realist" to expect a plethora of roms to be available in 1 month, especially since many developers may have just gotten the phone or may not even have the phone as of yet. Development takes time and testing.
"Softly, softly, catchee monkey"

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Actually I was dead surprised by the amount of development activities going on here, the multitude of Kernels and the first custom ROMs after very few weeks after release.
This is something that actually reminded me of "old times" whereas many other devices show comparable little development activities.
Not sure what you are looking for but I have to agree that "old times" are over - nowadays the necessity for custom development is much smaller than is was back then....
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Well said, and I agree with all three of your statements.

Well my last phone was the Galaxy S10 and, oh boy did it take long until development really started. The Pixel 6 development is way quicker.
The roms and mods were more basic as well in the beginning, just give it time my man. The phone is barely 2 months old.

The 6pro has a fulfillment issue as well. Many people still don't have them yet.

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the image attached is the s21 ultra development as of today, i would say the pixel 6 pro is in a good state considering we don't have twrp yet.
I do agree that the glory days of flashing your phone are over, but thats also because the OS has matured quite considerably where custom roms are replaced with simple magisk modules.
One other factor for me personally is losing app functionality for important apps by tripping safety net, but thanks to the workaround i was comfortable enough with rooting my p6p.