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i know were building up this huge bounty thread, and everyone is definitely raising attention that we don't have root, but is anyone actually actively working on rooting the n4? I've been lurking around regularly while i wait for mine, but haven't seen anyone actually say they're looking for a root.
i just have this horrible picture in my head that everyone is thinking 'there's so many ppl here surely somebody must be working on something big, ready to drop an announcement any day now'.. and in reality the only ppl here are the ones asking if somebody else is doing something about it.
sooo who's been looking for root? what findings have you found so far, what looks exploitable, are you still waiting to get your hands on your note 4? yeah me too. anybody else have some useful exploits or findings to report?
lets do a status update
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So how about we update the root thread we already have?
Focus on the boot loader not root.
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Focus on the boot loader not root.
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Root is a more obtainable goal! Think back at the last 2 Sammy devices with locked bootloaders, both have bounty threads, and neither was ever unlocked. Now look back and BOTH were able to obtain root. Yes unlocking the bootloader would make everything easier, but in terms of the probability, root will be obtained before the bootloader surface is even scratched. I hope I'm wrong, I would love an unlocked bootloader, but I'm highly skeptical that will ever happen, let alone before root or before Lollipop is FORCED onto our unrooted phones by AT&T.
I just want Adaway and Xposed. Why can't they just let me do what I want with the UI at least? I understand Adaway and why they don't want that but I should be able to kake an app full screen or change the dpi of an app if I want to..
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Root is a more obtainable goal! Think back at the last 2 Sammy devices with locked bootloaders, both have bounty threads, and neither was ever unlocked. Now look back and BOTH were able to obtain root. Yes unlocking the bootloader would make everything easier, but in terms of the probability, root will be obtained before the bootloader surface is even scratched. I hope I'm wrong, I would love an unlocked bootloader, but I'm highly skeptical that will ever happen, let alone before root or before Lollipop is FORCED onto our unrooted phones by AT&T.
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Do you research root will not last without the bootloader unlocked. When Android 5.0 rolls out root will be broken on all devices PERMANENTLY unless the boot loader is unlocked. Samsung plans on rolling out 5.0 to the Note 4 in December. That means that even if root is achieved you are talking about only having it for 40 days. You will not be able to turn off updates. So eventually when you reboot your device it will auto install android 5.0 and break root for you forever. So go ahead and have a dev waste his time on getting root that will last about 40 days. The future of this phones root and custom development is all riding on unlocking the bootloader.
Don't count it out the LG G# on AT&T got the bootloader unlocked. But the effort needs to be on that not on root. Root is a waste of time.
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Do you research root will not last without the bootloader unlocked. When Android 5.0 rolls out root will be broken on all devices PERMANENTLY unless the boot loader is unlocked. Samsung plans on rolling out 5.0 to the Note 4 in December. That means that even if root is achieved you are talking about only having it for 40 days. You will not be able to turn off updates. So eventually when you reboot your device it will auto install android 5.0 and break root for you forever. So go ahead and have a dev waste his time on getting root that will last about 40 days. The future of this phones root and custom development is all riding on unlocking the bootloader.
Don't count it out the LG G# on AT&T got the bootloader unlocked. But the effort needs to be on that not on root. Root is a waste of time.
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yeah i totally see where you're coming from saying that, and can't say i wouldn't love to see my note on 5.0 too, but if it comes down to the features i 'need' vs the features i don't even know exist yet (5.0), I'd probably just choose to ride out my note 4 on KitKat.
it IS the touchwiz stuff that makes the note experience unique, not so much the new android versions.
pluuuuuuus can't sound any cooler than KitKat!!
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It's all about immediate goals.
I'd rather ride a bicycle today than wait 10 years to get licensed to fly a plane.
scoot05redss said:
Root is a more obtainable goal! Think back at the last 2 Sammy devices with locked bootloaders, both have bounty threads, and neither was ever unlocked. Now look back and BOTH were able to obtain root. Yes unlocking the bootloader would make everything easier, but in terms of the probability, root will be obtained before the bootloader surface is even scratched. I hope I'm wrong, I would love an unlocked bootloader, but I'm highly skeptical that will ever happen, let alone before root or before Lollipop is FORCED onto our unrooted phones by AT&T.
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soraxd said:
yeah i totally see where you're coming from saying that, and can't say i wouldn't love to see my note on 5.0 too, but if it comes down to the features i 'need' vs the features i don't even know exist yet (5.0), I'd probably just choose to ride out my note 4 on KitKat.
it IS the touchwiz stuff that makes the note experience unique, not so much the new android versions.
pluuuuuuus can't sound any cooler than KitKat!!
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It's all about immediate goals.
I'd rather ride a bicycle today than wait 10 years to get licensed to fly a plane.
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This applies to all 3 of you.
You will be forced to upgrade to Lollipop even on a rooted phone because you won't have a customer ROM so AT&T will still push the update. Eventually when you reboot your phone it will upgrade you to lollipop. The only way to prevent this is to NEVER use wifi. Otherwise the update will start automatically and eventually it will upgrade you to Android 5.0 whether you like it or not.
So go ahead and "ride your bike" the the next 40-60 days, then AT&T is going to run it over with a bus and you will lose root forever without an unlocked boot loader.
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This applies to all 3 of you.
You will be forced to upgrade to Lollipop even on a rooted phone because you won't have a customer ROM so AT&T will still push the update. Eventually when you reboot your phone it will upgrade you to lollipop. The only way to prevent this is to NEVER use wifi. Otherwise the update will start automatically and eventually it will upgrade you to Android 5.0 whether you like it or not.
So go ahead and "ride your bike" the the next 40-60 days, then AT&T is going to run it over with a bus and you will lose root forever without an unlocked boot loader.
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Wrong, because I'll use TiBU and freeze the OTA application and that can't force anything, like I did on my Note 3!
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Wrong, because I'll use TiBU and freeze the OTA application and that can't force anything, like I did on my Note 3!
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I'm not sure that possible on this phone. There is a thread over in the t mobile section for the Note 4 addressing this. It is not a stand alone app on this phone. It is built into the system and probably can't be frozen. There are concerns that they will have to get a custom kernel finished before the update rolls out on that phone even though they have an unlocked boot loader, otherwise people will lose root for good.
Check it out there is a lot of chatter right now on the future of root for this phone, basically from all of the research I have done the only chance at all you can keep root is with an unlocked boot loader and a custom kernel. Before the update for 5.0 rolls out.
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I'm not sure that possible on this phone. There is a thread over in the t mobile section for the Note 4 addressing this. It is not a stand alone app on this phone. It is built into the system and probably can't be frozen. There are concerns that they will have to get a custom kernel finished before the update rolls out on that phone even though they have an unlocked boot loader, otherwise people will lose root for good.
Check it out there is a lot of chatter right now on the future of root for this phone, basically from all of the research I have done the only chance at all you can keep root is with an unlocked boot loader and a custom kernel. Before the update for 5.0 rolls out.
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Link me that thread if you don't mind good sir! It sounds like it's worth a read! All this AT&T locking crap, really has me wanting to go Nexus, but since they signed up for the 6, it'll probably be locked down too!
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This applies to all 3 of you.
You will be forced to upgrade to Lollipop even on a rooted phone because you won't have a customer ROM so AT&T will still push the update. Eventually when you reboot your phone it will upgrade you to lollipop. The only way to prevent this is to NEVER use wifi. Otherwise the update will start automatically and eventually it will upgrade you to Android 5.0 whether you like it or not.
So go ahead and "ride your bike" the the next 40-60 days, then AT&T is going to run it over with a bus and you will lose root forever without an unlocked boot loader.
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with root you can just yank the att fwupdate.apk out.
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Wrong, because I'll use TiBU and freeze the OTA application and that can't force anything, like I did on my Note 3!
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Yup. I will do the exact same thing if root is achieved before the push 5.0m I did it on my Note 3 and never had a single worry about Knox or any OTAs. I don't know why this guy is so adamant with the scare tactics.... Just give me root and I am g2g.
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ShrekOpher said:
I'm not sure that possible on this phone. There is a thread over in the t mobile section for the Note 4 addressing this. It is not a stand alone app on this phone. It is built into the system and probably can't be frozen. There are concerns that they will have to get a custom kernel finished before the update rolls out on that phone even though they have an unlocked boot loader, otherwise people will lose root for good.
Check it out there is a lot of chatter right now on the future of root for this phone, basically from all of the research I have done the only chance at all you can keep root is with an unlocked boot loader and a custom kernel. Before the update for 5.0 rolls out.
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Please satisfy our collective curiosity and provide a link. Thanks.
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Wrong, because I'll use TiBU and freeze the OTA application and that can't force anything, like I did on my Note 3!
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Lol u just pwned that dude
ShrekOpher said:
I'm not sure that possible on this phone. There is a thread over in the t mobile section for the Note 4 addressing this. It is not a stand alone app on this phone. It is built into the system and probably can't be frozen. There are concerns that they will have to get a custom kernel finished before the update rolls out on that phone even though they have an unlocked boot loader, otherwise people will lose root for good.
Check it out there is a lot of chatter right now on the future of root for this phone, basically from all of the research I have done the only chance at all you can keep root is with an unlocked boot loader and a custom kernel. Before the update for 5.0 rolls out.
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Lol, says the guy who keeps telling everyone to do research and that even if we get root we will lose it in 40-60 days.
Dude, you are laughable. You keep telling people to do research, yet you have no clue what you are talking about half the time.
Please describe what you mean by "built into the system". I (and am sure many others) would love to hear your explanation on that one lol.
I'm sure the t-mobile forums will love you. Good luck.
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Root is a more obtainable goal! Think back at the last 2 Sammy devices with locked bootloaders, both have bounty threads, and neither was ever unlocked. Now look back and BOTH were able to obtain root. Yes unlocking the bootloader would make everything easier, but in terms of the probability, root will be obtained before the bootloader surface is even scratched. I hope I'm wrong, I would love an unlocked bootloader, but I'm highly skeptical that will ever happen, let alone before root or before Lollipop is FORCED onto our unrooted phones by AT&T.
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You know... I hadn't thought of that... LolliPop being pushed to our phones prior to being able to obtain root... without at least root, we can't disable the OTA and after "asking" a few times, it will just happen. Once that occurs, getting root seems even more unlikely than it already is...
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ShrekOpher said:
Do you research root will not last without the bootloader unlocked. When Android 5.0 rolls out root will be broken on all devices PERMANENTLY unless the boot loader is unlocked. Samsung plans on rolling out 5.0 to the Note 4 in December. That means that even if root is achieved you are talking about only having it for 40 days. You will not be able to turn off updates. So eventually when you reboot your device it will auto install android 5.0 and break root for you forever. So go ahead and have a dev waste his time on getting root that will last about 40 days. The future of this phones root and custom development is all riding on unlocking the bootloader.
Don't count it out the LG G# on AT&T got the bootloader unlocked. But the effort needs to be on that not on root. Root is a waste of time.
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You are terribly mistaken... If root is obtained you can disable the updates & OTA apk's, which would prevent the 5.0 update from being pushed down. But if AT&T starts pushing LolliPop BEFORE we get root, it's a done deal.
This might be the very reason we see a very accelerated deployment of LollioPop by AT&T. Haven't we all been complaining that the carriers take too long "certifying" OS updates before releasing them? Now we may not have that problem...
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You know... I hadn't thought of that... LolliPop being pushed to our phones prior to being able to obtain root... without at least root, we can't disable the OTA and after "asking" a few times, it will just happen. Once that occurs, getting root seems even more unlikely than it already is...
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You are terribly mistaken... If root is obtained you can disable the updates & OTA apk's, which would prevent the 5.0 update from being pushed down. But if AT&T starts pushing LolliPop BEFORE we get root, it's a done deal.
This might be the very reason we see a very accelerated deployment of LollioPop by AT&T. Haven't we all been complaining that the carriers take too long "certifying" OS updates before releasing them? Now we may not have that problem...
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jajaa then we still have Odin ^^
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With all of this in mind, i think i will just return mine and get the t-mobile note 4.
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Just bought an AT&T Note 4 today, I was informed it had 4.4.4, but it instead had 5.1.1, and root had been a big part of all 3 previous Note phones I've owned, so I was looking for a way to do so, seems like nothing's been accomplished yet, until I stumbled upon this. Will this work on 5.1.1 even with that locked bootloader?
http://androidromupdate.com/att-galaxy-note-4-sm-n910a-stock-firmware/
Im bot aure exactly what you are asking but from what i gather you are either wondering about downgrade or root. Either way it is not possible once the phone is on 5.1.1 you are stuck with only one way to go and thats up when and if an update comes. As for root its looking highly impossible to get our bootloader unlocked as at&t never released a developer edition of our phone which makes a reliable root impossible. I would recomend if you have the cash yo do so sell the at&t note 4 and get a tmobile note 4 which is unlocked and rootable
Was the 4.4 bootloader unlocked? It's not possible to restore 4.4 in download mode with Odin or anything?
No it is not possible odin will fail because the 5.1.1 bootloader is secure and detects all attempts to overwrite or change it and stops the process. So basically you can not touch the bootloader downgrade or root or modify the system or kernel in any way unless the bootloader is hacked or unlocked period. Sorry
P.s. if it would have been that simple (boy do i wish it was) you would find a thread on here about downgrading to 4.x.x from 5.1.1 and not so many threads about root waiting room and things like that
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Just bought an AT&T Note 4 today, I was informed it had 4.4.4, but it instead had 5.1.1, and root had been a big part of all 3 previous Note phones I've owned, so I was looking for a way to do so, seems like nothing's been accomplished yet, until I stumbled upon this. Will this work on 5.1.1 even with that locked bootloader?
http://androidromupdate.com/att-galaxy-note-4-sm-n910a-stock-firmware/
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Well can't downgrade from lollipop back to kitkat, but look at my threads, and if it helps, just add a little thanks!
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I recently came across this article and its content intrigued me greatly. There is a "QuadRooter" exploit for devices using Qualcom chipsets. Maybe we can finally have root access on our beloved Note 4.
Article: http://www.androidcentral.com/quadrooter-5-things-know-about-latest-android-security-scare
Oh lord......it is some good news.
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I recently came across this article and its content intrigued me greatly. There is a "QuadRooter" exploit for devices using Qualcom chipsets. Maybe we can finally have root access on our beloved Note 4.
Article: http://www.androidcentral.com/quadrooter-5-things-know-about-latest-android-security-scare
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Sorry to break hopes an dreams... Exploits isn't the problem. We already have exploits to root. These exploits are just another way.
The problem is the locker bootloader and the kernel having DM-Verity. Once the system obtains root. The kernel reads that we have root which is DM-Verity than it removes root from the system. Which is why we only have a Temp root when we use Kingroot on 4.4.4 kitkat and 5.1.1 lollipop. This is why no developer wasted there time creating an app for root because we know it will only be temp.
There is no exploit for DM-Verity. Only way around it is with an unlocked bootloader, install a custom kernel with DM-Verity disabled. Now come Android 7.0 Nougat, verified boot (know as DM-Verity) will be "strictly enforcing" and won't allow your device to boot if the software has been compromised.
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Sorry to break hopes an dreams... Exploits isn't the problem. We already have exploits to root. These exploits are just another way.
The problem is the locker bootloader and the kernel having DM-Verity. Once the system obtains root. The kernel reads that we have root which is DM-Verity than it removes root from the system. Which is why we only have a Temp root when we use Kingroot on 4.4.4 kitkat and 5.1.1 lollipop. This is why no developer wasted there time creating an app for root because we know it will only be temp.
There is no exploit for DM-Verity. Only way around it is with an unlocked bootloader, install a custom kernel with DM-Verity disabled. Now come Android 7.0 Nougat, verified boot (know as DM-Verity) will be "strictly enforcing" and won't allow your device to boot if the software has been compromised.
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Okay, so Android will become more like iOS on Nougat and onwards? No way I'm sticking with Android then..
Whatever happened to Ubuntu mobile?
boofman said:
Okay, so Android will become more like iOS on Nougat and onwards? No way I'm sticking with Android then..
Whatever happened to Ubuntu mobile?
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Well yes at least for most OEM manufacturers. I think Google is mostly doing this to help promote Nexus phones so they get a bigger market. Because if you have a Nexus or Oneplus you'll be fine with being SIM Unlocked and Bootloader Unlocked.
Personally I'll be upgrading in couple months with AT&T an I'll be giving this Note 4 back to them... don't see much point to keeping it if I can't root. An I'm upgrading back to iPhone because at least we all know Apple don't have much security an will have a jailbreak on iOS 10. They just got one on iOS 9.3.3 and other developers already have iOS 10 beta 3 jailbroken.
Android is still more open than iOS in the since of having SD cards, file management, being able to download from your Internet browser, running emulators on your phone like gbc, gba, ds, psx, etc. Unzipping / Opening RAR files. They just don't want you to have system access or management. Started with mostly Carriers (like Verizon and AT&T), but now I think OEM'S don't want us rooting either look at the Galaxy S7 is locked bootloader even on T-Mobile. just an example
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Well yes at least for most OEM manufacturers. I think Google is mostly doing this to help promote Nexus phones so they get a bigger market. Because if you have a Nexus or Oneplus you'll be fine with being SIM Unlocked and Bootloader Unlocked.
Personally I'll be upgrading in couple months with AT&T an I'll be giving this Note 4 back to them... don't see much point to keeping it if I can't root. An I'm upgrading back to iPhone because at least we all know Apple don't have much security an will have a jailbreak on iOS 10. They just got one on iOS 9.3.3 and other developers already have iOS 10 beta 3 jailbroken.
Android is still more open than iOS in the since of having SD cards, file management, being able to download from your Internet browser, running emulators on your phone like gbc, gba, ds, psx, etc. Unzipping / Opening RAR files. They just don't want you to have system access or management. Started with mostly Carriers (like Verizon and AT&T), but now I think OEM'S don't want us rooting either look at the Galaxy S7 is locked bootloader even on T-Mobile. just an example
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I wish that we wouldn't have natively locked bootloaders as mandatory requirement for succeeding Android versions. That way, even if mainstream brands decide to lock all their phones, we'll still have those from the likes of Xiaomi and Oppo as options if you need or want root.
But, if it were the case, then I think we'd be better off with iOS with all the ecosystem that comes with it, along with fewer segmentation for developers, not to mention awesome accessories and even casings that iOS devices have.
Interesting
It's been a while since I flashed a custom rom, but been trying to get caught up again. From what I've read, the bootloader is lock in our AT&T Note 4. Isn't this the bootloader?
I am too jumping ship from android, if I'm going to spend some serious cash on a phone, it shouldn't be locked down, my daughter just received the iPhone 6s and loves it, I want full access to my phone again, been rooting for yrs
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I've spent too much money on apps to consider switching. I'll just change carriers.
Hi there!
Android Pay just launched in Poland and I would like to use it. I tried installing Magisk (as I read in post published ~month ago), but the device isn't passing safetynet test. Is there any possibility to run this awesome app with rooted device? I don't really want to loose access to all this awesome root apps and would like to pay with Android Pay.
Thanks for helping me!
Same issue here. As I've read it can work with root but not with unlocked bootloader and I'd love to use Pixel based rom for my Nexus which requires unlocked bootloader ;/ I guess we have to wait a bit longer for some workaround or use stock based roms with locked bootloader.
So all my previous phone have all been rooted and custom rom.
Just bought the LG g4 and tried rooting but when I unlocked the bootloader it went into bootloop.
Sent it to LG for repair and waited a week and just got it back.
I'm scared to try it again.
Suggestions?
Depends. I've rooted mine and i don't really use root anyway. Only benefit of unlocked bootloader and root is when u want to use apps like viper4android or flash Nougat roms. I'm now using simplegx rom and it is pretty stock, plus the safetynet isn't passing because of bootloader. Imo the best would be if LG just could release Nougat, but they will do it at the end of a year i guess.
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Depends. I've rooted mine and i don't really use root anyway. Only benefit of unlocked bootloader and root is when u want to use apps like viper4android or flash Nougat roms. I'm now using simplegx rom and it is pretty stock, plus the safetynet isn't passing because of bootloader. Imo the best would be if LG just could release Nougat, but they will do it at the end of a year i guess.
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Thanks for your input
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The boot loader is nothing to do with the safety net. I use android pay on my phone.
As for rooting, I use it for a few things. Mostly adblockers these days. So unless you have an app that you need it for probably not.
Godspeed123 said:
So all my previous phone have all been rooted and custom rom.
Just bought the LG g4 and tried rooting but when I unlocked the bootloader it went into bootloop.
Sent it to LG for repair and waited a week and just got it back.
I'm scared to try it again.
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Now in my case rooting is a must. Yea i use viper. But between xposed. And stuff like bloat removal not just disable. Normally i end up with sprint phones and im not a sprint customer. Usaully require root to unlock. And now aparantly modify the apn setting too on the g4. Battery life mods.
Lol couldnt live without it
There are a few xposed modules that I can't live without, so root is a must. In my experience, custom ROMs often introduce issues with the camera, so I'm not going crazy waiting for my H810 to get an unofficial bootloader unlock (though I'm following that development closely out of nerdy curiosity). Plus everything @TheMadScientist420 mentioned.
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There are a few xposed modules that I can't live without, so root is a must. In my experience, custom ROMs often introduce issues with the camera, so I'm not going crazy waiting for my H810 to get an unofficial bootloader unlock (though I'm following that development closely out of nerdy curiosity). Plus everything @TheMadScientist420 mentioned.
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Im a stock rom kinda guy so unlocked bl isnt a must as long as i can modify stock system how i need.
My biggest thkng is i use after market. Old htc sense flip clock so hiding clock in staus bar is a must also has a battery gauge. So gotta hide batter meter too. I hate stuffed up notification bars. Plus. Like my note 5 has no usb port so wifi file transfer adb through wifi and such is a must there.
Which sammy just beat lg. Nougat just came out for my note 5 but i cant odin back stock due to no usb port. So i have to wait for a ftwrp flashable version.
Root and adaway is absolutely minimum. Than U can have xposed and the "gate" is open.
I just don't wanna bootloop again
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mcscruff said:
The boot loader is nothing to do with the safety net. I use android pay on my phone.
As for rooting, I use it for a few things. Mostly adblockers these days. So unless you have an app that you need it for probably not.
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Actually safetynet can check if bootloader is unlocked so it has a lot to do. There are some kernel tweaks that hide bootloader status but i havn't seen it on any g4 kernel. I'm not passing safetynet after unlocking and using stock roms like simplegx or imperium. I havn't tried flashing stock kdz tho. What are your software then that doesn't trigger safetynet? Would be helpful
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Actually safetynet can check if bootloader is unlocked so it has a lot to do. There are some kernel tweaks that hide bootloader status but i havn't seen it on any g4 kernel. I'm not passing safetynet after unlocking and using stock roms like simplegx or imperium. I havn't tried flashing stock kdz tho. What are your software then that doesn't trigger safetynet? Would be helpful
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Im using a stock based rom, and magisk root. I have also passed on LOS based roms too but nfc doesnt work in Android pay (it does in other apps)