Develop Bugs

[Q] is it just me or..

Has development slowed down for our device? Since lollipop got released, there hasn't been many new updates for existing roms or new roms. I know, if I want it, I should develop a rom myself. But, I've never been good at program languages so, I depend on the fine folks here on XDA. I appreciate all their efforts. But, again I ask, has development slowed?

The device is aging, M9 is supposed to be revealed tomorrow. I'm not even sure if they will make the 5.1 Android for M8, and that is much needed, seeing how buggy Lollipop is. I seriously regret updating, I wish I had enough sense to stay wit KitKat, that worked great on my phone.

PresidentCupcake said:
Has development slowed down for our device? Since lollipop got released, there hasn't been many new updates for existing roms or new roms. I know, if I want it, I should develop a rom myself. But, I've never been good at program languages so, I depend on the fine folks here on XDA. I appreciate all their efforts. But, again I ask, has development slowed?
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ViperOneM8 has been updated three times in the last two weeks, with another update to come out in the next few days. Although two of them mostly addressed bug fixes, there were also new features added.

There has been a couple of lollipop nightly builds for this device. To be honest, I don't really notice a slowdown of development.

PresidentCupcake said:
Has development slowed down for our device? Since lollipop got released, there hasn't been many new updates for existing roms or new roms. I know, if I want it, I should develop a rom myself. But, I've never been good at program languages so, I depend on the fine folks here on XDA. I appreciate all their efforts. But, again I ask, has development slowed?
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No i do not share the feeling development slowed down, then again why should a developer spend so much time on these builds when sense 7 is around the corner. I think they pick the most valuable tweaks and parts of optimization.
My 2 cents

Mr Hofs said:
No i do not share the feeling development slowed down, then again why should a developer spend so much time on these builds when sense 7 is around the corner. I think they pick the most valuable tweaks and parts of optimization.
My 2 cents
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Do you think Sense 7 and Android 5.1 are actually coming to the M8?

unifex_ said:
Do you think Sense 7 and Android 5.1 are actually coming to the M8?
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I don't think.....know for sure it will

Are there really zero custom ROM's for this phone yet ?

I'm not directing this at the great developers here, but I'm more confused or wondering what's up ? This phone is Google's flagship stock Nexus device, THE developer phone. The Pixel 2 was released two months ago, and there's not one custom ROM yet. I find that shocking and asking what happened ?
I've owned most Nexus phones in the past, and by two months in there'd be a ton of ROM's available.
Again I'm not trying to be an ass asking this question I'm not looking for ETA I'm more very confused or am I missing something why development doesn't seem to be happening like in past Nexus phones?
Or is there another forum outside of XDA these ROM's are on that I'm not aware of ???

A few roms are coming to this phone. It's just slower because of the dual partition stuff. Think DU and Pure Nexus are planned.

You must also remember the pricetag on this device, not everyone is going to jump on this device right away, but like the above comment said, there are ROMs in the works.

A lot of devs weren't building because we didn't have a stable TWRP.
Looks like one just dropped

All of what's already been said here.. plus.. this phone is so darn stable and amazing bone stock that it's unbelievable. I have had every single Nexus/pixel and HTC device since I don't know when and there was always some reason why you badly needed root and a custom rom.... But with this... It's so good I haven't even unlocked the bootloader yet! Kudos to Google for sure!

OnePlus has screwed it up for everyone when it comes to custom ROMs, the phone is half the price of top flagships and just as good so thats where most of your development is

Agreed that OnePlus has sucked away a lot of developers, if not the majority of them. OnePlus 5 / 5t is almost half the price of the Pixel 2 XL, plus it seems even easier to developer for. I mean go in the OnePlus 5t forum and look at the development, phone hasn't been out one month yet, and it has a bunch of ROM's and Kernels.
But I prefer the direct from Google updates and long term support by Google, plus the extra features on the Pixel 2 over the OPO, and am happy with my purchase, but I am concerned that there is not even one single ROM released for the Pixel 2 after two months.

mackentosh said:
OnePlus has screwed it up for everyone when it comes to custom ROMs, the phone is half the price of top flagships and just as good so thats where most of your development is
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Ya but dat pixel camera and timely updates....
Beats OnePlus every time

LineageOS is in the works: https://review.lineageos.org/#/q/project:LineageOS/android_device_google_wahoo

MishaalRahman said:
LineageOS is in the works: https://review.lineageos.org/#/q/project:LineageOS/android_device_google_wahoo
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Good find, looking forward to try this out when it's ready.

Why is there only 1 custom ROM while we are 2-3months in already?

There is Scorpion and thats it? I thought it will be as good as with OnePlus or even better?!

Because the stock OS/ROM kicks so much ass. IMO

qasq said:
There is Scorpion and thats it? I thought it will be as good as with OnePlus or even better?!
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Go compile one then, it's not that hard to do. You can't just expect developers to feel obligated to everyone here on XDA. Devs usually compile and work on things when they have time away from their daily duties.
In fact, there's actually multiple ROMs, but they're not posted here on xda yet.

qasq said:
There is Scorpion and thats it? I thought it will be as good as with OnePlus or even better?!
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In a week the phones will have been out in the US for 2 months, patience grasshopper.

qasq said:
There is Scorpion and thats it? I thought it will be as good as with OnePlus or even better?!
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Dirty Unicorns is out
Sent from my crosshatch using XDA Labs

bobbyphoenix said:
Because the stock OS/ROM kicks so much ass. IMO
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Same thoughts here. Stock and a custom kernel is all I need.

LOL. What a completely entitled thread. I'm surprised no one has called out the OP.

It's people like you that push away our development. Put a bad taste in a talented persons mouth who wanted to make a rom but not for those who feel entitled to one. What does your post accomplish? It's not going to encourage more development that's for sure.
As others have said there's more ROMs out there, but I wouldn't be surprised if the reason they haven't posted it here is because the community here on XDA can be toxic when people group together to complain about the lack of ROMs or how what is available isn't good enough. Be happy that we do have a rom here, or go out and build the rom yourself.
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honestly i think we just need a good few magisk modules and the *need* for modified stock roms goes away, we'll still have AOSP roms being developed for. just have some patience

Probably not the best approach to getting more ROMs is calling out the forums for lack of them for a device that is still "new". Take a breath and be patient, sir. These things take time.
bobbyphoenix said:
Because the stock OS/ROM kicks so much ass. IMO
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I'll actually agree with this. This Pixel 3 XL I own is the first time I've run Android stock in a long time and actually like it. My device is on the Pie December update and only rooted with Magisk, a few modules like Active Edge or ViPER4Androi0d installed, and ElementalX kernel and performance and battery life is quite good. Unless some serious custom ROMs like ResurrectionRemix (which I loved on my Nexus 6P) make it over, I probably won't even bother with a custom ROM.

This a hobby development forum! People provide work here as a hobby! NOT as a job!
XDA was created by developers to share knowledge...knowledge that members could use to create their own work!
Before you ask the question "why are there so few ROMs?" perhaps ask the question why you haven't learned how to create your own and contribute to this site.
Last I checked Google is not giving these devices away...they cost $900!!! Have you thought that maybe most developers chose a different device?
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Do we have TWRP yet?

Sorry for wasting space here, everyone. I was just wondering if the 3a XL has TWRP yet. I just ordered one and the first thing I do on a new device is install TWRP and root.
Thanks

You can root, but no TWRP yet. The 3 and 3 XL took just about a month. Shouldn't be too long now.

Troy owned a 3XL making it a sure thing for sooner rather than later. Someone with the knowledge could have made it within a fairly short time period since the work is already partially done over in flagship land:; An example would be the OP7, it already has TWRP, a half dozen ROMs, a couple kernals. I'm not saying it isn't coming to this device, it probably is given time. You do have to have someone working on it though or it never happens. Flar2 for instance has a 3aXL and thanks to him we have his kernal. This is how it works, the benefits of these various ROMs, TWRP, kernals, come from a fairly small pool of developers and if one or more of them does not pick up the gauntlet you've got handy tips on these pages but not much else.
Lets us hope that a few of them have seen the value in these devices...

Pixel 3a and XL will have TWRP.
Even the $100 Android phones have TWRP.
It is a matter of when, my guess would be within the next two weeks from now.
Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk

I keep trying to make time to sit down and do an unofficial TWRP, but Everytime I do, something comes up. It's kinda killing me ...

Sc4ryB3ar said:
I keep trying to make time to sit down and do an unofficial TWRP, but Everytime I do, something comes up. It's kinda killing me ...
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Seems like LOS will come for 3a(XL), so I bet we will see a twrp build soon.

Out of curiosity, because I come from a Samsung: what are the main differences between Pixel's stock firmware and LOS?
As far as I know LOS have a kind of dark mode already enabled (coming to stock with Q) and some privacy option added?
Is there anything more than this?

crian said:
Seems like LOS will come for 3a(XL), so I bet we will see a twrp build soon.
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Out of curiosity, what makes you say it seems like we'll get LOS for the 3a(XL)? It would be a 100% buy for me if that were the case, just wasn't sure if a notable dev has picked one up and mentioned planning to do so or something and I've missed it, thanks!

Skidoo03 said:
Out of curiosity, what makes you say it seems like we'll get LOS for the 3a(XL)? It would be a 100% buy for me if that were the case, just wasn't sure if a notable dev has picked one up and mentioned planning to do so or something and I've missed it, thanks!
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Just take a look at their GitHub
https://github.com/LineageOS/android_kernel_google_bonito
https://github.com/LineageOS/android_device_google_bonito

crian said:
Seems like LOS will come for 3a(XL), so I bet we will see a twrp build soon.
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crian said:
Just take a look at their GitHub
https://github.com/LineageOS/android_kernel_google_bonito
https://github.com/LineageOS/android_device_google_bonito
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Thanks! Didn't even think to check that, was thinking they seemed to be good devices for LOS but hadn't heard anything yet so now I'm hopeful.

I'm really happy when the custom roms come out

What I was trying to say gents is that this device doesn't appear to be all that popular to me. Right now there are 627 threads open on the OP7 section compared to 62 here and that phone came out after. I'm BTW not counting the advertising section called reviews which will typically have 30, 40, 50 threads for every device.. I have never seen a less active device section on this forum than this one and I go back to before android started and have had all the Nexus devices except one, all the Galaxy S and Note devices accept 2 and I'm not going to list all the rest of the random devices I've had because you get the idea. I'm not sure what this phone is doing in terms of sales volume but I am sure that if they are being sold they are not being sold to enthusiast like us because if they were those owners would be here. I think some of you folks are kidding yourselves about the amount of development that is going to go on here. This is one of those cases where I would like nothing better than to be wrong but I'm not seeing any crow eating in my future.

I certainly hope your wrong but, I am afraid as you are that this device,,,,albeit a great one,,,,isnt getting the attention by devs. I know it is still too soon to tell and all that. But, if you go off past popular devices, and how fast development sprang up since it was released, this one seems lagging. Lets hope the future is bright for this device and dev support.
krabman said:
What I was trying to say gents is that this device doesn't appear to be all that popular to me. Right now there are 627 threads open on the OP7 section compared to 62 here and that phone came out after. I'm BTW not counting the advertising section called reviews which will typically have 30, 40, 50 threads for every device.. I have never seen a less active device section on this forum than this one and I go back to before android started and have had all the Nexus devices except one, all the Galaxy S and Note devices accept 2 and I'm not going to list all the rest of the random devices I've had because you get the idea. I'm not sure what this phone is doing in terms of sales volume but I am sure that if they are being sold they are not being sold to enthusiast like us because if they were those owners would be here. I think some of you folks are kidding yourselves about the amount of development that is going to go on here. This is one of those cases where I would like nothing better than to be wrong but I'm not seeing any crow eating in my future.
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krabman said:
What I was trying to say gents is that this device doesn't appear to be all that popular to me. Right now there are 627 threads open on the OP7 section compared to 62 here and that phone came out after. I'm BTW not counting the advertising section called reviews which will typically have 30, 40, 50 threads for every device.. I have never seen a less active device section on this forum than this one and I go back to before android started and have had all the Nexus devices except one, all the Galaxy S and Note devices accept 2 and I'm not going to list all the rest of the random devices I've had because you get the idea. I'm not sure what this phone is doing in terms of sales volume but I am sure that if they are being sold they are not being sold to enthusiast like us because if they were those owners would be here. I think some of you folks are kidding yourselves about the amount of development that is going to go on here. This is one of those cases where I would like nothing better than to be wrong but I'm not seeing any crow eating in my future.
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I bought the not xl version- I get the same vibe you're picking up. I think it's selling, but probably not to many enthusiasts as other phones. Maybe people are buying it because they actually went to use it as a phone? I think after the nexus line crashed, I think people have looked elsewhere for development phones. I don't have a one plus phone, but they seem to release kernels and factory images, which helps development. I'm sure google will do the same.
In other news, I've built aosp and los for sargo. Full disclosure- I haven't flashed anything yet, I haven't even opened the box; so I can't say how well the ROMs run. I'm sure bonito will build just fine too. aosp just needed the drivers/binaries from the website. For los, I used the extract files script and the stock images. The point is that we seen to have ROM support already, but maybe just low interest from the modding community.

Could it be the forums aren't hopping specifically *because* there's so little dev at this point?
I'd expect it to be light when TWRP isn't even around yet. I would expect it to pick up quite a bit once TWRP drops, though.

PhoenixPath said:
Could it be the forums aren't hopping specifically *because* there's so little dev at this point?
I'd expect it to be light when TWRP isn't even around yet. I would expect it to pick up quite a bit once TWRP drops, though.
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I do wish the forums were consolidated for the two devices. Then it would seem busier . I think there would be a bit of synergy since the two devices share so much. Sorry for the OT. I'll dust off my twrp repos and see if I can cook something up.

I was surprised they didn't combine them and just have two different development sub-sections, I've been on other devices where they did that and it seemed to work well. As to the lack of TWRP or other development I don't really think that's it although it's certainly a contributor. IMO you would have many more people asking general questions as you can see everywhere else, there are a lot of people who come to XDA but don't root. It really appears the either the phone isn't in too many hands or those hands belong to those pesky non phone people.

Actually...
Senaxo said:
I'm really happy when the custom roms come out
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Dirty Unicorns has an RC out for bonito (3a XL) dated 23 May - you can grab it now. (According to IDM, it is 1.197 GB large.)
Nothing new on the TWRP front for bonito - official or otherwise.

Many of the phones out there seem to have come from a T-Mobile trade-in offer that made the devices nearly free after credits. Problem is that for most of these devices, they'll be carrier locked and in turn bootloader locked for a while. Users have resigned themselves to unrooted optimizations until these locks are gone. Hopefully development will mirror all four of the 3rd gen devices as they pretty similar.

Sargo's top of my list right now for a phone upgrade (my S4 got me thru so many years), but without TWRP and LOS I just can't bring myself to buy it.
Never done any work on android before (besides flashing of course), but I'll throw my hat in the ring and try to get a TWRP build together this weekend.
Mind if I DM ya @gee one when I inevitably get stuck somewhere?

Custom ROMs and Kernel development?

Hey,
since I am getting my 7t soon and always valued the oneplus phones as developer friendly I am wondering if the lack of devs and roms/kernels for this particular phone will sort itself out over time? Is there any issue preventing things like proper twrp and stuff from happening?
Can you recommend a kernel (from the few out there) and is there any other place to look for them?
ElementalX has it covered, right?
Thanks!

xflowy said:
Hey,
since I am getting my 7t soon and always valued the oneplus phones as developer friendly I am wondering if the lack of devs and roms/kernels for this particular phone will sort itself out over time? Is there any issue preventing things like proper twrp and stuff from happening?
Can you recommend a kernel (from the few out there) and is there any other place to look for them?
ElementalX has it covered, right?
Thanks!
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I know we have one of the best time devs he had a locked bootloader Las t I heard tho

xflowy said:
Hey,
since I am getting my 7t soon and always valued the oneplus phones as developer friendly I am wondering if the lack of devs and roms/kernels for this particular phone will sort itself out over time? Is there any issue preventing things like proper twrp and stuff from happening?
Can you recommend a kernel (from the few out there) and is there any other place to look for them?
ElementalX has it covered, right?
Thanks!
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I'm using this kernel: https://forum.xda-developers.com/on...-pro-cross-device-development/kernel-t4002781
It is very good.

xflowy said:
Hey,
since I am getting my 7t soon and always valued the oneplus phones as developer friendly I am wondering if the lack of devs and roms/kernels for this particular phone will sort itself out over time? Is there any issue preventing things like proper twrp and stuff from happening?
Can you recommend a kernel (from the few out there) and is there any other place to look for them?
ElementalX has it covered, right?
Thanks!
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There's plenty of development for this phone, just not on xda.

thedrizzle said:
There's plenty of development for this phone, just not on xda.
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you kidding right?

One of the major Problems is twrp still needs time for Android 10.
It's a problem for every device.

You also have the option of arter97's kernel that he just brought to the 7t
[r40] arter97 kernel for OnePlus 7 series
There may not be a huge quantity of devs for the phone yet but in this case, you have a few very good developers already.
Oh and on a side note, Arter97 is helping to bring Paranoid Android back to the scene so good things are coming.

thedrizzle said:
There's plenty of development for this phone, just not on xda.
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Where ?
Do you have some telegram links ?

hightech316 said:
Where ?
Do you have some telegram links ?
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Most of those links are semi-private by invite-only.
Developers got tired of requests and demands from rookie users on XDA, and rightly or wrongly felt under-appreciated at complaints about their free for-fun work...and then took their for-funsies development to more private areas. There also has been much squabbling and drama about "originality" and "kanging" in conjunction with moderation here over the decade+ Android has been a thing; which annoyed developers more. XDA really was a victim of XDA's and Androids own success over crappy OEMs undermaintaining their own firmware. Thus the seeming deadness and lack of development across most devices, now.
I know links and very active and very-elite groups on TG--but am not sharing them, because then I'll lose my own access to those channels. Not trying to show-off or be a jerk here, just explaining how and why.

Skripka said:
Most of those links are semi-private by invite-only.
Developers got tired of requests and demands from rookie users on XDA, and rightly or wrongly felt under-appreciated at complaints about their free for-fun work...and then took their for-funsies development to more private areas. There also has been much squabbling and drama about "originality" and "kanging" in conjunction with moderation here over the decade+ Android has been a thing; which annoyed developers more. XDA really was a victim of XDA's and Androids own success over crappy OEMs undermaintaining their own firmware. Thus the seeming deadness and lack of development across most devices, now.
I know links and very active and very-elite groups on TG--but am not sharing them, because then I'll lose my own access to those channels. Not trying to show-off or be a jerk here, just explaining how and why.
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Awhhh man , PM me.
I try to contribute, I am working on a new nethunter kernel that supports

mjwhirly said:
You also have the option of arter97's kernel that he just brought to the 7t
[r40] arter97 kernel for OnePlus 7 series
There may not be a huge quantity of devs for the phone yet but in this case, you have a few very good developers already.
Oh and on a side note, Arter97 is helping to bring Paranoid Android back to the scene so good things are coming.
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yea, saw this and got excited cause he really seems to know his stuff, but then i realized he just released the last/final version for oos and wont be continuing to provide for the original os.

Skripka said:
Most of those links are semi-private by invite-only.
Developers got tired of requests and demands from rookie users on XDA, and rightly or wrongly felt under-appreciated at complaints about their free for-fun work...and then took their for-funsies development to more private areas. There also has been much squabbling and drama about "originality" and "kanging" in conjunction with moderation here over the decade+ Android has been a thing; which annoyed developers more. XDA really was a victim of XDA's and Androids own success over crappy OEMs undermaintaining their own firmware. Thus the seeming deadness and lack of development across most devices, now.
I know links and very active and very-elite groups on TG--but am not sharing them, because then I'll lose my own access to those channels. Not trying to show-off or be a jerk here, just explaining how and why.
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and how do one get access to those elitist circles if one is not a newbish user?

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and how do one get access to those elitist circles if one is not a newbish user?
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I'd like to know as well. I just past 12 years of membership last week. I think that qualifies me as non-noob.
I was here when they were developing for the old Windows Mobile.

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Superguy said:
I'd like to know as well. I just past 12 years of membership last week. I think that qualifies me as non-noob.
I was here when they were developing for the old Windows Mobile.
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Also on year 12 and originally from WM days. Back when HTC was THE phone to own.
Would also be interested in the alternate site. I am not a dev but gladly test pretty much everything.

I miss the old Nexus days easy to root support galore.

jcotterman said:
Also on year 12 and originally from WM days. Back when HTC was THE phone to own.
Would also be interested in the alternate site. I am not a dev but gladly test pretty much everything.
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Yep - cut my teeth on the HTC phones. Still used them off and on up to the 10.
NATF used to do the best WM ROMs back in the day.

So What Should I Do? OnePlus 7 Pro or 7T?

aaryan45 said:
So What Should I Do? OnePlus 7 Pro or 7T?
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7t has the 855+, not sure a out the pro. There is a pro 7t available

hightech316 said:
7t has the 855+, not sure a out the pro. There is a pro 7t available
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My main concern is that, will 7t get great custom ROM support as other OnePlus phones

aaryan45 said:
My main concern is that, will 7t get great custom ROM support as other OnePlus phones
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Why not? Just wait for twrp development. 7 pro, 7T and 7T pro will have same rom and kernal development as the source is almost same.