If I were to root or flash a custom recovery and a custom ROM to my Galaxy A5, would I still be able to use android pay, or would knox block it? Just to make it clear: I don't care about anything knox has to offer. I only care about android pay. I've read somewhere that using Magisk can hide root from android pay, but I don't if knox can disable it or not.
https://www.reddit.com/r/GalaxyS7/comments/4sxcls/will_rooting_your_phone_and_tripping_knox_stop/
Quick search shows me that tripping knox will affect android pay, but I'm not really sure about the magisk thing.
killermenpl said:
If I were to root or flash a custom recovery and a custom ROM to my Galaxy A5, would I still be able to use android pay, or would knox block it? Just to make it clear: I don't care about anything knox has to offer. I only care about android pay. I've read somewhere that using Magisk can hide root from android pay, but I don't if knox can disable it or not.
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If you root - you lose. Knox id tripped via an efuse on the mainboard. Unrecoverable unless the board is replaced. Magisk is your root tool and will not serve as a mask to the fact you will be rooted.
If you understand the risks - do it.
If you understand the risks but aren't entriely sure - don't do it.
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I would like to root my tablet that I just picked up today and most likely keep a stock rom that comes with it and just add root to block ads and a few other minor changes to it.
If I do that I know Knox will be tripped as there is not a way to root and not trip Knox.
What features or functions might I loose or should I have any concern about tripping knox on this device?
I know with the S5 if causes the private mode not to work but I am not really concerned with that.
And on the S6 that will most likely cause Samsung Pay not to work.
Would there be any features that stop working after Knox is tripped and device is rooted?
If you don't mind using kingroot you can root without tripping Knox - unless you install xposed or custom recovery. Look for my thread on no tether root in general section.
... will Knox features work again? Such as secure folders?
I honestly don't care much about these features. I much prefer having access to Ad-Away. But if I do use Odin to flash a stock ROM (Without re-rooting) on the phone, even though my Knox flag is still tripped will Knox features work again?
Thanks
azzicles said:
... will Knox features work again? Such as secure folders?
I honestly don't care much about these features. I much prefer having access to Ad-Away. But if I do use Odin to flash a stock ROM (Without re-rooting) on the phone, even though my Knox flag is still tripped will Knox features work again?
Thanks
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Once Knox is tripped it will always be tripped, you can no longer access the Knox features and I also believe that the Android/Samsung Pay system will no longer work
trickie69r said:
Once Knox is tripped it will always be tripped, you can no longer access the Knox features and I also believe that the Android/Samsung Pay system will no longer work
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I am ignorant when it comes to rooting etc... so, just reiterating. If I root my phone, it will trip the knox? And Ill never be able to go back to full stock... Is that where you're saying? :/
androidcentralsucks said:
I am ignorant when it comes to rooting etc... so, just reiterating. If I root my phone, it will trip the knox? And Ill never be able to go back to full stock... Is that where you're saying? :/
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You can go back to full stock but rooting will trip Knox and this cannot be undone which will prevent Knox related features from working (i.e Samsung Pay etc..).
You also run the risk of not getting Warranty support if Knox is tripped.
Hope that helps.
trickie69r said:
You can go back to full stock but rooting will trip Knox and this cannot be undone which will prevent Knox related features from working (i.e Samsung Pay etc..).
You also run the risk of not getting Warranty support if Knox is tripped.
Hope that helps.
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It does!! I had no idea there was no way to go back 100%... =/ That SUCKS!
well, it is for security reasons, only a really small number of people root their phones, small compared to the total number of devices out there.....
winol said:
well, it is for security reasons, only a really small number of people root their phones, small compared to the total number of devices out there.....
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Right.. I am seeing that... I do a lot of penetration testing etc, and some of the software I want to use requires root. I have this stuff on my laptop and other devices, but would like to have the option to utilize it on my phone as well.
Just stinks you can't reset it back..
Hi, can anyone tell me this, if root my device my Knox is tripped, later if i install a original rom can i have access again to security folder and Samsung pay etc.. again? or i dont have access anymore with original rom whith knox tripped.
Can anyone help me plz
Once you trip knox you're screwed with those apps.
IIRC now don't quote me on this, but Magisk from what I know allows the user to hide the fact that their device is rooted so that apps like GooglePay still work without detecting that the device has been modified. Not sure if it's the same with Samsung exclusive apps but I wouldn't risk it. If you use those features regularly I don't recommend it. But perhaps someone else might know more about this.
Hi,
I need advice on removing Magisk from my Samsung note 10+. I reinstalled the system on the original from Samsung and turned off the OEM. The phone is like new, but it doesn't work with Google play, Samsung pass and Samsung health. He writes that the phone was root. But I reinstalled the system on the original from Samsung. Please don't know what to do with it? thank you in advance :Ó
simek35 said:
Hi,
I need advice on removing Magisk from my Samsung note 10+. I reinstalled the system on the original from Samsung and turned off the OEM. The phone is like new, but it doesn't work with Google play, Samsung pass and Samsung health. He writes that the phone was root. But I reinstalled the system on the original from Samsung. Please don't know what to do with it? thank you in advance :Ó
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When you root the phone an e-fuse blows that trips the knox counter. After the knox counter is tripped it can not be repaired or reset, it is permanent for the life of that motherboard.
You should have known (if you did your due diligence and read up on the process) rooting comes with a warning about what you will loose when you root the phone.
Once knoz is tripped anything that relies on knox will not work.. so samsung pay, samsung health, secure folders, etc will no longer function. In the same token anything which checks to see if the counter is tripped will not work.
Not sure why Google Play won't work but I've read where some part of it will detect the knox counter. I suspect it's not working (or fully working) for you because the knox counter has been tripped. If the phone has been restored to OEM firmware you could try to factory data reset the device.
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When you root the phone an e-fuse blows that trips the knox counter. After the knox counter is tripped it can not be repaired or reset, it is permanent for the life of that motherboard.
You should have known (if you did your due diligence and read up on the process) rooting comes with a warning about what you will loose when you root the phone.
Once knoz is tripped anything that relies on knox will not work.. so samsung pay, samsung health, secure folders, etc will no longer function. In the same token anything which checks to see if the counter is tripped will not work.
Not sure why Google Play won't work but I've read where some part of it will detect the knox counter. I suspect it's not working (or fully working) for you because the knox counter has been tripped. If the phone has been restored to OEM firmware you could try to factory data reset the device.
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Thanks for your advice. I was about to root my Note 10+ until I saw your excellent post. Can I unlock the Bootloader and install Magisk without rooting the phone?
Thanks in advance.
MattHouston said:
Thanks for your advice. I was about to root my Note 10+ until I saw your excellent post. Can I unlock the Bootloader and install Magisk without rooting the phone?
Thanks in advance.
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As far as I am aware flashing a custom recovery will still trip the knox counter.
But I am pretty sure you can, however don't quote me on that. It's not something I have done without rooting the phone because I don't see where magisk would work properly. Without rooting the phone you won't have full admin access to the files on the phone, so I am pretty sure Magisk would be rather impaired functionality wise.
hello everyone,
I have and use android phones last 10+ years, always rooted. But I never had samsung phone.
Now I hear only half informations from my buddy, that its dangeous to root samsung because of knox (i dunno what knox even is).
So, now I'm thinking to buy S20 and want to root it, and my question is..:
If I root it, is anything ''broken'' on the phone ? Can phone still recieve official Samsung OTA updates?
What are minuses? what to look for? What about this "knox"?
Please need informaions
Well, I've owned a couple of Samsung devices over the years and I guess I can speak a bit from experience. Here's what you should know:
1.- U.S. phones have their bootloaders locked, so avoid buying a U.S. variant if you want to root it (some people want them for their Snapdragon chips)
2.- Knox is an e-fuse in the phone motherboard. Once you trip it by flashing custom software (root it), then that fuse will be tripped forever. You cannot get your Knox your status back to official unless you change the motherboard. Even flashing stock firmware will never get you this back to official.
3.- A lot of Samsung's security apps check for this fuse and will refuse to work if they detect that you've tripped it. Samsung Pay, Pass, Secure Folder are just some examples of features that will stop working when they detect a tripped Knox fuse. Some of these have bypass with root, but some don't.
4.- You will not get OTA updates with an unlocked bootloader, let alone root. It IS possible to get them back but only after flashing stock firmware and blocking the bootloader. These don't seem to check for Knox.
Understood, Thank You alot for informations and help!
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Well, I've owned a couple of Samsung devices over the years and I guess I can speak a bit from experience. Here's what you should know:
1.- U.S. phones have their bootloaders locked, so avoid buying a U.S. variant if you want to root it (some people want them for their Snapdragon chips)
2.- Knox is an e-fuse in the phone motherboard. Once you trip it by flashing custom software (root it), then that fuse will be tripped forever. You cannot get your Knox your status back to official unless you change the motherboard. Even flashing stock firmware will never get you this back to official.
3.- A lot of Samsung's security apps check for this fuse and will refuse to work if they detect that you've tripped it. Samsung Pay, Pass, Secure Folder are just some examples of features that will stop working when they detect a tripped Knox fuse. Some of these have bypass with root, but some don't.
4.- You will not get OTA updates with an unlocked bootloader, let alone root. It IS possible to get them back but only after flashing stock firmware and blocking the bootloader. These don't seem to check for Knox.
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Hiiii. I currently have a Samsung S20 and I have rooted it before. Once you root it Knox security will be tripped and you will not be able to get it back. This means you will lose access to apps like Samsung Pay, Samsung Pass and Samsung Health. You will not receive OTA updates if you're rooted, but if you flash stock firmware again and lock the bootloader you can start receiving updates again. I currently have a custom ROM installed and I have my ROM rooted. To me, it's been a great experience overall. I didn't really use the Knox features, so I didn't care much about losing it. I have loved rooting my S20 and using a custom ROM !!
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Hiiii. I currently have a Samsung S20 and I have rooted it before. Once you root it Knox security will be tripped and you will not be able to get it back. This means you will lose access to apps like Samsung Pay, Samsung Pass and Samsung Health. You will not receive OTA updates if you're rooted, but if you flash stock firmware again and lock the bootloader you can start receiving updates again. I currently have a custom ROM installed and I have my ROM rooted. To me, it's been a great experience overall. I didn't really use the Knox features, so I didn't care much about losing it. I have loved rooting my S20 and using a custom ROM !!
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Actually you can use Samsung Health, just currently no version above 6.19 (2 versions behind current) until we find a way to patch it...i use it daily with my Watch 4 on Rooted S20+ 5G....
73sydney said:
Actually you can use Samsung Health, just currently no version above 6.19 (2 versions behind current) until we find a way to patch it...i use it daily with my Watch 4 on Rooted S20+ 5G....
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Ohh okay !!! Thank you for letting us know !! I don't use Samsung Health so I had not tested it myself, but I had heard that Samsung Health doesn't work with root. Thanks for telling us it works fine !!
so, when rooted there are no OTAs.. thats a nono for me heh.. but question, if no OTAs come from mobile itself, is it possible to get uprades through PC then.. (Kies) maybe ?
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so, when rooted there are no OTAs.. thats a nono for me heh.. but question, if no OTAs come from mobile itself, is it possible to get uprades through PC then.. (Kies) maybe ?
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Yeah you can flash updates with something like Odin (never used Kies myself, I don't know if it still works)
maxis123 said:
so, when rooted there are no OTAs.. thats a nono for me heh.. but question, if no OTAs come from mobile itself, is it possible to get uprades through PC then.. (Kies) maybe ?
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ODIN
Flash HOME CSC if you want to keep your data