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I want to know if this is possible at all, does anyone know of any ways to put a verizon phone on sprints network? I think it has been done before, I will buy this phone if I can get 3g to work on sprint
Nope, VZW and Sprint operate at 2 different frequencies AND if you could somehow do it I don't think Sprint allows Third Party/Unlocked Phones.
actually they are teh same frequencies. how else would our roaming on verizon's network work?
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actually they are teh same frequencies. how else would our roaming on verizon's network work?
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Yea I actually think you are right because verizon and sprint share a tower here in Virginia. But sprint would never allow it.
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I've been told different things by different reps at different Sprint locations. One guy in-store told me that it's "very possible" but that the customer has to do all the unlocking, etc. Another rep at one of their call centers reiterated the same. "If you unlock it, we can do it. Otherwise, there's nothing we can do."
So the question remains, how can we unlock it? I'd LOVE to stay with Sprint. Does anyone have expertise in this area? I've seen a few threads on this and they all seem to go unanswered...wondering if it's not a popular topic or if it's something we shouldn't be discussing?
Thanks!
Run around clockwise half naked below freezing while chanting "goosfrabah"...
Seriously no need to be posting such a thread. It's been posted and debated and talked about. Google and such should be your friend.
Either make googley eyes (and maybe much "more") at someone deep inside Sprint to add a VZW ESN to their database, NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, or murk in the underworlds of ESN cloning and modification, NOT HAPPENING HERE on XDA...
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No, the ESNs are in a computer database. If the rep enters an incorrect ESN or, in this case from their point of view invalid, the system will not move forward.
Even if that wasn't the case, I don't believe Verizon and Sprint operate on the same CDMA frequencies. Not to mention LTE. EVEN if that wasn't the case, the Galaxy Nexus pulls its subscriber information(like the phone number, data plan, etc) from its SIM card(just like GSM phones).
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http://phandroid.com/2011/12/20/spr...e-given-the-green-light-for-activation-rumor/
Possible, YES. Depends only on if sprint want to activate it or not. Phones generally support the entire spectrum and not just the subset that carrier uses.
For example on GSM, phones either support ALL of the 900 spectrum or none of it. The fact that the spectrum is split in two and used by different operators doesn't make a difference - thats just handled by the simlock/Activation of ESN.
It wouldn't make much sense for a hardware manufacturer to cripple a radio baseband to part of the spectrum if it can handle all of it, otherwise they would need to make new mainboards for each operator.
LTE is a different situation. As the spectrum is not split, and each operator use an entirely different spectrum. It would be more costly to add other spectrums on a Verizon device with no real benefit, if they have no plans to offer it on any other operator. Also it may be more cost or design effective to make two different boards if for example they can't fit an antenna that can handle both frequencies.
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Posting from another thread.
No, the ESNs are in a computer database. If the rep enters an incorrect ESN or, in this case from their point of view invalid, the system will not move forward.
Even if that wasn't the case, I don't believe Verizon and Sprint operate on the same CDMA frequencies. Not to mention LTE. EVEN if that wasn't the case, the Galaxy Nexus pulls its subscriber information(like the phone number, data plan, etc) from its SIM card(just like GSM phones).
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VZW and Sprint operate on the same CDMA frequencies, 1x CDMA 2000 and 3G. How else do Sprint and VZW roam off each other for voice and data? When it comes to 4G, that's where they differ, LTE vs WiMax (for now). Even when Sprint goes LTE, they'll be running on a different LTE frequency than VZW and AT&T, so LTE roaming shouldn't be on anyone's radar for the foreseeable future.
And NO, the VZW GNex does not pull "its subscriber information (like the phone number, data plan, etc) from its SIM card(just like GSM phones)." Subscriber info is pulled from the ESN/MEID unique to any CDMA phone (VZW and Sprint included) to authenticate on the network. The SIM in VZW LTE phones is for LTE purposes ONLY, 4G data only and nothing else.
Why dont you get the galaxy s II? Wish I could get it for Verizon
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VZW and Sprint operate on the same CDMA frequencies, 1x CDMA 2000 and 3G. How else do Sprint and VZW roam off each other for voice and data? When it comes to 4G, that's where they differ, LTE vs WiMax (for now). Even when Sprint goes LTE, they'll be running on a different LTE frequency than VZW and AT&T, so LTE roaming shouldn't be on anyone's radar for the foreseeable future.
And NO, the VZW GNex does not pull "its subscriber information (like the phone number, data plan, etc) from its SIM card(just like GSM phones)." Subscriber info is pulled from the ESN/MEID unique to any CDMA phone (VZW and Sprint included) to authenticate on the network. The SIM in VZW LTE phones is for LTE purposes ONLY, 4G data only and nothing else.
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Thanks for the clarification on the frequencies thing. I wasnt 100% sure what Sprint operated on.
As for the SIM, I am 100% sure. Trade SIM cards with a friend, even to another microSIM device like a Samsung Stratosphere Restart your phone and then call eachother. The numbers will be swapped. Heck, even easier. Yank your SIM out and make a test call or check under the About Phone options.
EDIT: I know that Sprint uses CDMA(1x) and EVDO(3G). But what bands do they operate on? Just like AT&T and T-Mobile use GSM(aka edge) and HSPA(3G) but on different bands so not all their phones are entirely cross compatible.
EDIT2: Found my own answer. VZW operates on 850mhz, and 1900mhz. Sprint is 800mhz and 1900mhz. So you may in theory use a 3G Verizon phone on Sprints network with limited capability. I'd imagine it would be just like if you put an ATT iPhone on T-Mobile and be able to make calls but only get 2G.
Regardless of the frequencies you still have the ESN lockout as well as the SIM card issue.
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Sprint not going to activate the phone no matter what you do.
CDMA carriers have the last say so of what goes on their network and what does not. They chose what you use not you. They base the their phones off of the ESN/MEIDs if those do not match up to a "clean" one in their system then no go. Its their way of forcing contracts, "if you have to get a sprint phone may as well get the contract with it." they thing. GSM on the other hand you can do it because the identification of the carrier is on the SIM card rather then the phone. However, some carriers will "flash" a phone over like Criket or metro pcs (however they can brick the phone and then you can't even do anything with it.)
MetroPCS lets you bring in any CDMA phone and activate it on their network. I'm sure sprint could do the same if they wanted to.
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MetroPCS lets you bring in any CDMA phone and activate it on their network. I'm sure sprint could do the same if they wanted to.
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Emphasis on "IF THEY WANTED TO." If past behavior is indicative of the future then reason says they don't.
Lets assume Sprint suddenly changes its mind after years of hemorrhaging customers and move beyond that, as I've previously said the Galaxy Nexus(and all 4G LTE phones) behave more like GSM phones than CDMA and pull their subscriber information from the SIM card. Don't believe me? Try to use your VZW Galaxy Nexus without your SIM. Mine didn't work. Further my theortical point about the supported bands still stand. Who wants a Galaxy Nexus on 1X data?
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I thought that Sprint was going to offer the Gnex at some point. Was I just dreaming that? Does anyone know if Sprint is going to get the GN?
I could have sworn I heard that Sprint was getting it somewhere....
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Emphasis on "IF THEY WANTED TO." If past behavior is indicative of the future then reason says they don't.
Lets assume Sprint suddenly changes its mind after years of hemorrhaging customers and move beyond that, as I've previously said the Galaxy Nexus(and all 4G LTE phones) behave more like GSM phones than CDMA and pull their subscriber information from the SIM card. Don't believe me? Try to use your VZW Galaxy Nexus without your SIM. Mine didn't work. Further my theortical point about the supported bands still stand. Who wants a Galaxy Nexus on 1X data?
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The reason your LTE VZW phone will not work without the SIM has nothing to do with pulling subscriber info but more to do with just authenticating with the LTE network, period.
Once again, your subscriber info is more hard coded to your ESN/MEID.
The LTE network could go down (like it has done now several times) and your phone will work fine with CDMA voice and 2G/3G. If the CDMA network goes down then you're screwed because all authentication starts there.
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bradm23 said:
Why dont you get the galaxy s II? Wish I could get it for Verizon
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That.
+1 char
LordLugard said:
The reason your LTE VZW phone will not work without the SIM has nothing to do with pulling subscriber info but more to do with just authenticating with the LTE network, period.
Once again, your subscriber info is more hard coded to your ESN/MEID.
The LTE network could go down (like it has done now several times) and your phone will work fine with CDMA voice and 2G/3G. If the CDMA network goes down then you're screwed because all authentication starts there.
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I'd love to hear your explaination for the following behaviors. The only thing I changed was I took out my SIM card. You'll notice now even the time is wrong since the phones sync their time with the carrier.
EDIT: removed pictures because I'm paranoid/OCD about personal info.
You can post as many pics as you want. Your "subscriber info" is tied to your esn/meid in the system. Without those, whether you have an LTE sim or not on a CDMA network like VZW, your phone will not function. The LTE sim doesn't handle voice or any calling functions, just data.
When your phone connects to a cell tower (or the network), certain parameters are sent for a sort of handshake, which are your esn/meid.
I think you need to better familiarize yourself with the fact that VZW is a CDMA network first and foremost (and with all that entails, esn/meid/msid etc) with an LTE based data-only network (for now) built alongside it.
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What are other people's US experiences, what type LTE do you get?
Google starting selling the Nexus 7 LTE in the Google Play store 130909 https://play.google.com/store/devic...cked_T_Mobile_SI?id=nexus_7_32gb_2013_lte_tmo
It comes with 30 days of T-Mobile LTE/HSPA. I confirmed with Google Play support that they are shipping the US version that has LTE bands 13 and 17. This means that in addition to T-Mobile LTE and HSPA, this will do the same on AT&T and also LTE on Verizon.
Google says it does not work with Verizon, but technically, it should. Verizon has a full LTE nationwide coverage on band 13. I am going to try my Verizon sim the day I get this thing. Then I'll be raiding the AT&T store for 30 days of LTE: fastest provider wins.
What are other people's US experiences, what type LTE do you get?
If you go Nexus 7 LTE 〉Settings 〉About Tablet 〉Status, Mobile network type indicates what connection you have, eg. LTE:13.
best test apps:
- Speed Test
- Open Signal
- Sensorly
- SignalCheck Lite
- Firebind (check for blocked ports, shouldn't be any)
Some blog posts:
Nexus 7 LTE for the US: http://blog.haraldrudell.com/2013/08/nexus-7-lte-future-of-mobility-nexus-7.html
US Open Access: http://blog.haraldrudell.com/2013/08/googles-got-balls.html
LTE Portability in the US: http://blog.haraldrudell.com/2013/09/4-13-17-are-magic-numbers-mobile-device.html
PhoneGeek said:
Google says it does not work with Verizon, but technically, it should. Verizon has a full LTE nationwide coverage on band 13. I am going to try my Verizon sim the day I get this thing. Then I'll be raiding the AT&T store for 30 days of LTE: fastest provider wins.
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Source please?
It was supposed to work with Verizon, on LTE at least. I'm not going to order one if it doesn't.
It works with Verizon LTE not 3g
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Very interested to hear what happens when you pop in your Verizon SIM.
Actually someone already has: http://www.droid-life.com/2013/09/11/video-first-look-at-verizon-data-on-the-new-nexus-7-lte/
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Very interested to hear what happens when you pop in your Verizon SIM.
Actually someone already has: http://www.droid-life.com/2013/09/11/video-first-look-at-verizon-data-on-the-new-nexus-7-lte/
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In the comments on that video, a couple of people are noting that Verizon stores have refused to supply sim cards and activate Nexus 7 tablets, because "they're not in their system". I think the person that made the video just removed the sim from his phone and it worked. I want to get one of these and add it to my current plan for $10/month and share my current data plan. It's too bad Google and Verizon can't seem to get it together and explain how this works. I'll wait until there are no hoops to jump through. I wonder if the LTE only, no 3G restriction on Verizon is Google's way of forcing Verizon's hand. I don't think they're allowed to refuse a device that operates solely on LTE.
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In the comments on that video, a couple of people are noting that Verizon stores have refused to supply sim cards and activate Nexus 7 tablets, because "they're not in their system". I think the person that made the video just removed the sim from his phone and it worked. I want to get one of these and add it to my current plan for $10/month and share my current data plan. It's too bad Google and Verizon can't seem to get it together and explain how this works. I'll wait until there are no hoops to jump through. I wonder if the LTE only, no 3G restriction on Verizon is Google's way of forcing Verizon's hand. I don't think they're allowed to refuse a device that operates solely on LTE.
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I'm trying to activate one for my buddy on Verizon. It doesn't appear to be Verizon trying to be stubborn about it. It's more about technical limitations. Verizon devices need a serial number and a SIM ID to activate on their LTE network and the Nexus 7 only has a SIM ID that can be used. The serial number isn't recognized in Verizon's system because it's still a GSM device. So thus far, it looks like the method shown of using a SIM that's already activated is the only way of getting this going. Having its own dedicated number is a trickier matter.
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I'm trying to activate one for my buddy on Verizon. It doesn't appear to be Verizon trying to be stubborn about it. It's more about technical limitations. Verizon devices need a serial number and a SIM ID to activate on their LTE network and the Nexus 7 only has a SIM ID that can be used. The serial number isn't recognized in Verizon's system because it's still a GSM device. So thus far, it looks like the method shown of using a SIM that's already activated is the only way of getting this going. Having its own dedicated number is a trickier matter.
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Edited to add: Thanks for the reply and the information.
Well, that sucks.
As far as I know, Google advertised this as working with Verizon when it was launched. Now they're saying next to nothing about it.
So, if I want to activate this as an add-on tablet at $10/month, I have to buy the Nexus 7, some other used Verizon tablet off ebay, activate it and swap the SIM. I may be incorrect, but I'd bet you couldn't sell off the other tablet and let someone else activate it using this method, unless the SIM isn't attached to the serial number in Verizon's system.
No offense intended, but I believe this is Verizon being stubborn. The tablet obviously functions on their network, but they aren't willing to supply a SIM and simply activate it.
Please let us know if you're successful in getting it activated without swapping a SIM from some other device. I can't be the only one interested in getting this going, but I'm not going to order one until I know it works.
I seem to remember reading that with past devices, others have had success bringing in a tablet that's already active on some other account but without the SIM, and asking for a SIM to activate it.
Buy Verizon ipad mini. Activate sim. Return ipad mini. Win?
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Edited to add: Thanks for the reply and the information.
Well, that sucks.
As far as I know, Google advertised this as working with Verizon when it was launched. Now they're saying next to nothing about it.
So, if I want to activate this as an add-on tablet at $10/month, I have to buy the Nexus 7, some other used Verizon tablet off ebay, activate it and swap the SIM. I may be incorrect, but I'd bet you couldn't sell off the other tablet and let someone else activate it using this method, unless the SIM isn't attached to the serial number in Verizon's system.
No offense intended, but I believe this is Verizon being stubborn. The tablet obviously functions on their network, but they aren't willing to supply a SIM and simply activate it.
Please let us know if you're successful in getting it activated without swapping a SIM from some other device. I can't be the only one interested in getting this going, but I'm not going to order one until I know it works.
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No offense taken, though let me clarify what I meant in my post by it being a technical limitation.
The serial numbers on the Nexus 7 are for GSM devices (IMEI's starting with 35xxx). Verizon's system does not recognize these serial numbers to work on their network. The system looks for ESN numbers (usually starting with 99000xxx) for a CDMA network, then asks for the ICCID (SIM ID) for the LTE SIM card. The Nexus 7 doesn't have a CDMA radio in it at all, which Verizon's network still needs in a device for it to complete the activation process.
Once activated, that SIM can be moved into another compatible device and work beautifully as Droid Life showed already, but that's not the issue we're having. Your described scenario is what I'm going to try for my buddy this weeked, but I have a feeling it won't work.
I don't think d11dog11's suggestion won't work either A) because the iPad Mini uses a nano SIM (4FF), B) because when the iPad is returned, the system defaults to disconnecting the number that was activated on that device, and C) you'll still get nailed with a restocking fee.
Indeed, this sucks!
LTE Results are in
Here's my download experience from a downtown San Francisco rooftop:
T-Mobile USA LTE:
SpeedTest: 43 ms 8.39 down 1.23 up Mb/s
signal: -104 dBm 36 asu rsrq -9 dB
T-Mobile HSPA:
SpeedTest: 73 ms 9.03 down 0.78 up Mb/s
signal: -104 dBm 35 asu rsrq -8 dB
Verizon Wireless:
SpeedTest: 196 ms 0.481 0.265 Mb/s <<== SUCKS BIG TIME! 2G Speed?
Signal -73 dBm 67 asu -12 dB
Comcast Wi-Fi: 18 ms 27.274 7.880
T-Mobile is on the higher frequency that would give spottier coverage, but they are doing quite alright.
Verizon sucks ass. A year ago everybody but Verizon looked like clowns. Today (starting about six months ago) the clown is Andy MacLeod, CTO of the Verizon Wireless partnership. How could they possibly fail?
San Francisco is the most densely populated area outside Manhattan, and this dude needs to pay attention. If you stay up until 1 am on a weekday, Verizon might give you 8 Mb/s down. The sucky area is not only downtown, as a matter of fact, I don't now of a good area anymore. A year ago it was 18 Mb/s greatness 24/7. There's crazy talk of a high-capacity overlay on band 4, but we got none of that, and one might wonder how this can go on for months on end. I canceled the day I got the Nexus 7 LTE. Nexus 5 will support everyone but Verizon, i'll get that one, too: hello Sprint!
The included T-Mobile SIM is a broadband pass that gives you 30 days/2 GB of HSPA or LTE but no voice.
Sensorly, SignalChecker and Open Signal are not good for speed test, so stick with SpeedTest.
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Nexus 5 will support everyone but Verizon, i'll get that one, too: hello Sprint!
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One reason why it's less likely that Sprint will be supported on the same unlocked unit as GSM carriers: Sprint's LTE devices do not store the CDMA subcriber identity on the SIM card like Verizon does. Their Androids tend to have an internal non-removable SIM, and their iPhones have a SIM that only stores the LTE identity. So when two Verizon iPhone users swap SIMs, the phone numbers follow suit completely. When two Sprint iPhone users swap SIMs, the phone numbers remain on the devices but the LTE identities swap which must be confusing for the phone.
Nexus 5 on Sprint, AT&T and T-Mobile
The FCC publish on the Nexus 5 (LG D820) removes any doubt of it not being a Sprint phone. It’s a herkulean effort to support all their LTE bands, which I believe nobody has done yet. It quacks like an LG G2 but has a different display size from all other LG 8xx submissions. And then then was the KitKat leak, conveniently 2 days before the FCC published it, where there was an LG logo. Google must start shipping before Christmas, and September plus two months is November.
The likelihood that Google would put out a Sprint-only phone is zero.
The likelihood of Sprint kissing the feet of anyone putting out a Nexus phone on their network is really high.
The rest is engineering.
AT&T didn't work on LTE only HSPA+
I just bought hey Nexus 7 LTE from Best Buy yesterday.when I tried to activated through AT&T it activated but it only showed H in the signal strength menu bar. when I called AT&T customer supportTo provision it for LTE they said it wasn"t in their system and they wouldn't help me so I returned it.
needless to say I am very disappointed anybody else have the same issue?
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I just bought hey Nexus 7 LTE from Best Buy yesterday.when I tried to activated through AT&T it activated but it only showed H in the signal strength menu bar. when I called AT&T customer supportTo provision it for LTE they said it wasn"t in their system and they wouldn't help me so I returned it.
needless to say I am very disappointed anybody else have the same issue?
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That's strange, considering there's an AT&T option on Play Store. You returned the tablet or cancelled the SIM?
You could try ordering from Play Store instead with the bundled AT&T SIM. Maybe that one will be provisioned properly for LTE.
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Picked up the new Nexus 7 LTE (2013 edition) and popped in my Verizon micro-SIM. Everything worked great for a few days. Just got a notification in my tray asking me to register my device with the Verizon Network? I clicked the link, it opened my browser and went to some Verizon site, but the page didn't load. I couldn't receive/send any data or even pick up a signal.
When I removed and re-insert the SIM and rebooted the device, it would pick up a cellular signal for a few minutes, then would drop signal.
I put the SIM back in my GS3, it registered with the network and got signal on the phone. I then re-inserted the SIM into the Nexus 7 and have LTE service once again.
Anyone else have this problem?
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Picked up the new Nexus 7 LTE (2013 edition) and popped in my Verizon micro-SIM. Everything worked great for a few days. Just got a notification in my tray asking me to register my device with the Verizon Network? I clicked the link, it opened my browser and went to some Verizon site, but the page didn't load. I couldn't receive/send any data or even pick up a signal.
When I removed and re-insert the SIM and rebooted the device, it would pick up a cellular signal for a few minutes, then would drop signal.
I put the SIM back in my GS3, it registered with the network and got signal on the phone. I then re-inserted the SIM into the Nexus 7 and have LTE service once again.
Anyone else have this problem?
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Bump I'm wondering this same thing had mine one day but wandering how long they will let it work?
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Bump I'm wondering this same thing had mine one day but wandering how long they will let it work?
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I've had mine in my tabet for about the past 5 days. The only thing that has changed is when I login to my VZW account, it shows an Unknown device. However, it still works. I am planning to leave my sim in for as long as it will let me. Great tablet.
According to the guy at the Verizon store, who I plan to upgrade to in November when my contract is up due to T-Mobiles terrible service, seems to think that since it is a SIM phone, and Verizon's new network phones (4G / XLTE) use a SIM card, that I can unlock my TMO phone and it will be able to then be assigned a new IMEI so that I can use it on a Verizon network...
Think this is true and if so, how do I do this? I don't know that I want to upgrade phones... I love my N2 and will only upgrade if there is a Note 4 out by then...
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According to the guy at the Verizon store, who I plan to upgrade to in November when my contract is up due to T-Mobiles terrible service, seems to think that since it is a SIM phone, and Verizon's new network phones (4G / XLTE) use a SIM card, that I can unlock my TMO phone and it will be able to then be assigned a new IMEI so that I can use it on a Verizon network...
Think this is true and if so, how do I do this? I don't know that I want to upgrade phones... I love my N2 and will only upgrade if there is a Note 4 out by then...
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As far as i know, Verizon uses a hybrid cdma/lte network. Voice is still handled through the cdma2000 antennae and network, whereas data (in lte coveted areas) by lte anrennae and network. If this holds true, shoving a Verizon SIM into a tmous phone will only give you data in lte covered areas. Assuming the sgh-t889 has the right band requirements to function on Verizons network.
In a nutshel: it is a very very long shot. Either way, you're guaranteed not to be able to make phonecalls.
Unfortunately, i have no sources to present you. This is just gleamed knowledge aqwired from countless hours of googletubing.
It is extremely possible the cdma functionality is just switched off, and could be jtagged. But that's way over my head.
I wouldn't bet on it. Even with VoLTE I doubt it would work all that well on LTE. Then if you are in a non LTE area you are SOL.
Hastily spouted for your befuddlement
Well, since the Force is out and the DT2 seems to completely lack dev support and rooting method, I am very seriously considering dumping VZW for TMo. Picked up a prepaid sim from 7-11 to test out tonight.
I live just over the river from NYC in NJ and commute to Bryant Park area daily for work. Will be periodically posting my impressions here. Plan on swapping SIMs for a few day to put TMo thru the ringer before pulling the trigger on an X-Force
So far working completely, both Voice & LTE. Not sure if I am getting VoLTE or true GSM Voice service, as I do not know of a way to test. I have been sitting comfortably on Band 4 for LTE when outside with 4 full bars of service. Inside my apartment, 4g is spotty with TMo (I live in a garden level place, half underground half above in a brownstone), however without band 12 present in the phone, I dont expect blazing or strong 4g signal indoors.
I do however get strong HSPA+ inside which has been pretty fast through basic web browsing and small app downloads.
What has blown me away is the speed of the TMo network, both HSPA and LTE. I took the following speedtests (same spot, swapping sims & letting connection settle). While it is harder to get 4G LTE inside with TMo and no band 12, when I do get it, the speed still BLOWS away VZW
Pic 1 - Verizon Indoor (foyer) - 4G LTE
Pic 2 - T-Mo Indoor (foyer) - HSPA +
Pic 3 - Verizon Outside - 4G LTE
Pic 4 - T-Mo Outside - 4G LTE
Pic 5 - T-Mo Inside front foyer - 4G LTE (verizon speed was same as previous outside pic)
Pic 6 - Verizon Inside on Couch (middle of apt) - 4G LTE
Pic 7 - TMo Inside on Couch (middle of apt) - 4G LTE
Got it from VZW BF promotion, thanks for your post. It does work for AT&T and T-Mobile, not sure for Sprint.
lwang9 said:
Got it from VZW BF promotion, thanks for your post. It does work for AT&T and T-Mobile, not sure for Sprint.
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Have been seeing similar results today while at work in nyc. My desk gets full 4-5 bars of 4g service with TMo. I am on the 8th floor of a brick building. Def thought reception would suck at my desk.
Ive had the same results today at my desk regarding speed tests.
So you had to do no unlocking,it worked out of the box?
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So you had to do no unlocking,it worked out of the box?
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yep, 100% minus band 12. Not sure if band 12 can be unlocked. but has been working pretty sweet out of the box. simple sim swap
You guys think this would soon work with Google fi, now that would be nice . thanks for the info guys nice to know since I am limited to 18GB...
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You guys think this would soon work with Google fi, now that would be nice . thanks for the info guys nice to know since I am limited to 18GB...
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I would think it would work partially... I would check what bands project fi uses
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Got it from VZW BF promotion, thanks for your post. It does work for AT&T and T-Mobile, not sure for Sprint.
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It'll work on GSM carriers (T-Mobile, AT&T, US Cellular, etc.) but not Sprint since it's a CDMA network. Phones with CDMA radios are allowed onto a CDMA network via a code, and Sprint blocks codes from Verizon phones, and vice versa.
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It'll work on GSM carriers (T-Mobile, AT&T, US Cellular, etc.) but not Sprint since it's a CDMA network. Phones with CDMA radios are allowed onto a CDMA network via a code, and Sprint blocks codes from Verizon phones, and vice versa.
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Current generation iPhone and Nexus work with Sprint and Verizon both.
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Current generation iPhone and Nexus work with Sprint and Verizon both.
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That's because iPhones and Nexuses are unlocked phones by default. The Turbo 2 is a Verizon exclusive that happens to be SIM unlocked, so Sprint isn't going to accept it.
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You guys think this would soon work with Google fi, now that would be nice . thanks for the info guys nice to know since I am limited to 18GB...
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It should work on the T-mo portion of Fi, with no switching to Sprint, obviously. Also no wi-fi calling afaik.
Where do you live? I have yet to see less then 60Mbs on Verizon. Hell I hit over 100 pretty often and stay around 75-80 for the most part.
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Where do you live? I have yet to see less then 60Mbs on Verizon. Hell I hit over 100 pretty often and stay around 75-80 for the most part.
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That is some great speed!!! No I was talking about my data cap of 18gb. I was thinking of getting a side prepaid sim for the extra data.
Please tell me how you did it
how did you get the turbo 2 to work on tmobile?
im in nyc and have turbo 2 on vzw and had an extra one as backup. a buddy in tampa florida using a galaxy s6 regular on tmo kept having issues with his fone. i sent him my backup which is exactly the same im using. he put his sim into the turbo without any problems and works fine. he gets no dropped calls for whatever reason. he thought he would miss his wifi calling but since the fone is better at reception all around he doesnt need the wifi calling and of course he has unlimited data using his Tmo sim and its on LTE . only thing he said he has missed is the turbo 2 doesnt have infrared for his samsuck tv and other controls he could have used via his galaxys infrared. hope this helps.
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how did you get the turbo 2 to work on tmobile?
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All Verizon LTE phones are network unlocked by order of the FCC ever since 2011, 2012. It was an "agreement" Verizon was forced to sign to get more LTE spectrum.
http://www.idownloadblog.com/2012/09/24/verizon-iphone-5-unlocked/
http://www.verizon.com/about/consumer-safety/device-unlocking-policy
VERIZON: We do not lock our 4G LTE devices, and no code is needed to program them for use with another carrier.
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It's old news. As long as a Verizon phone has the necessary LTE bands, it will work on any other LTE carrier.
Droid Turbo 2 has LTE bands 2,3,4,7,13. T-Mobile uses LTE bands 2,4,12. So, he's getting LTE bands 2,4.
ChazzMatt said:
All Verizon LTE phones are network unlocked by order of the FCC ever since 2011, 2012. It was an "agreement" Verizon was forced to sign to get more LTE spectrum.
It's old news. As long as a Verizon phone has the necessary LTE bands, it will work on any other LTE carrier.
Droid Turbo 2 has LTE bands 2,3,4,7,13. T-Mobile uses LTE bands 2,4,12. So, he's getting LTE bands 2,4.
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I'm assuming this means I could use my droid turbo 2 outside of the US and just swap in a local sim (and use LTE if those countries use 2,3,7 or 13)?
nebratu said:
I'm assuming this means I could use my droid turbo 2 outside of the US and just swap in a local sim (and use LTE if those countries use 2,3,7 or 13)?
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Yes. For countries without those bands you would rely upon HSPA or even GSM.
I'm using mine on Telstra in Australia with no issues. (Droid Turbo 2)
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I'm using mine on Telstra in Australia with no issues. (Droid Turbo 2)
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What LTE bands does your carrier use? Info i found says 1, 3, 7, 8, 28. Droid Turbo 2 had two of those (3, 7), plus HSPA of course.
I made a call and got a message that my phone would no longer work on their network since they are upgrading things. This phone isn't that old. I wonder if their system doesn't recognize it. The lady said their system was showing it was a 2g phone so I told her it handles 4g. She said on Cricket it's only able to use 3g. Does anyone know if this is true. I don't trust some operator in another country reading off a script. It sounded like they want everyone to buy phones from their website. I can't imagine a relatively new phone not having the right band. Maybe there is a setting I need to tweak or flash onto my phone if I'm only using 3g on Cricket. I'm sure I've seen my antenna say LTE. Or maybe Cricket is screening out non Cricket phones.
Check it's specs.
If it supports the needed 4G bands it may need to be reconfigured. I haven't a clue how to do that.
Maybe Access point names but it may go deeper than that.
I'm going to google and see exactly what specs Cricket will require. I think you're right and maybe something to reconfigure. I can't imagine Cricket shutting off tons of new ish phones just because they aren't bought from Cricket. Ran a speed test now and got 2.77mbps download and 8.49mbps upload. I am showing LTE now which means I'm not on 3g as she was saying now. I bet it's a sales gimmick to scare less savy folks. What mean loose phone signal in Feb hehehe.
Edit: I was on wifi when I got the message so maybe when I phone is on wifi and not using their LTE network it doesn't detect anything which is why they told me I have a 2g phone. When I shut off wifi LTE popped right up so it's probably a glitch in their way of informing us.
Edit2: Spoke to a tech at Cricket and he said my phone currently isn't compatible with them aaahahahhaha dumb. I told him I'm currently using it on LTE just fine no issues. He didn't have anything to say when I asked him since I'm not using 3g then it shouldn't affect me. He just said he wants me to have great service so buy another phone from Cricket. BS
Only HD1905 works
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Only HD1905 works
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I have HD1907 and it's currently working on LTE. Are you referring to not working in the future or currently working?
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I have HD1907 and it's currently working on LTE. Are you referring to not working in the future or currently working?
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Not working in the future. Here is the list of devices can work after Feb 2022.
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Not working in the future. Here is the list of devices can work after Feb 2022.
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That link keeps rerouting to an ATT samsung S21 advertisment. I'll try to google the list
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That link keeps rerouting to an ATT samsung S21 advertisment. I'll try to google the list
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See the attachment above
Yes I
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See the attachment above
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Yes I was able to download that list when I googled. Judging by what it said these are phones that are tested and will work, not so much that other phones won't work. My phone was originally branded for Tmobile so I'm sure they wouldn't have tested it but it would have only had a different OS with Tmobile bloatware which I took off. The cricket people said their LTE isn't changing so I shouldn't have an issue but it will be interesting to find out. They must have just been looking at this list which is why they said my phone currently isn't compatible.
Funny this was asked but no answer given from ATT. I'll keep googling
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I read a discussion here from 2019 someone else asked and the different variants are by region as they usually are for the different LTE frequencies. 1905 is North American, 1907 is Tmobile in North America so I would imagine my LTE frequency is still going to be fine. Those that bought Chinese phones etc probably not.
This is weird. The current ad for it on Amazon says it's currently not compatible with ATT and Cricket. I wonder if me flashing another OS for North America or USA I forget is why it works fine? Maybe I'm screwed hehe
*** NOTE: Due to changes with AT&T and Cricket, this phone currently cannot be used on AT&T/Cricket. Compatible with T-Mobile and all GSM Networks along with their compatible MVNO networks such as Red Pocket GSM, Ultra Mobile, Mint Mobile, Ting GSM, Google FI and many others. This phone is NOT compatible with Verizon, Cricket or AT&T. Please verify with your network to ensure complete compatibility.
Spoke to a tech at Cricket and he said my phone currently isn't compatible with them
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I work at a prepaid carrier store (not Cricket) and am having to tell customers the same thing. It's not just about if your phone has the radios necessary, they have to have the IMEI approved in their system and if it's not then you can possibly escalate to someone who can help get it approved but you probably won't get very far. I can't activate my own OnePlus device with my company either, even though it's currently running on our parent network. I have spoken with internal support folks about it multiple times and have gotten nowhere so I gave up.
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I can't imagine Cricket shutting off tons of new ish phones just because they aren't bought from Cricket.
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Believe it. It sucks and it sounds insane but it's really happening. For me? I have to tell everyone with a Samsung Galaxy S5-S10 that they have to buy a new phone to be compatible with our new network changes. And I can tell you here that it's (probably) not the sales rep lying to you to make a commission sale, our tools are indeed forcing us to do that.
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I work at a prepaid carrier store (not Cricket) and am having to tell customers the same thing. It's not just about if your phone has the radios necessary, they have to have the IMEI approved in their system and if it's not then you can possibly escalate to someone who can help get it approved but you probably won't get very far. I can't activate my own OnePlus device with my company either, even though it's currently running on our parent network. I have spoken with internal support folks about it multiple times and have gotten nowhere so I gave up.
Believe it. It sucks and it sounds insane but it's really happening. For me? I have to tell everyone with a Samsung Galaxy S5-S10 that they have to buy a new phone to be compatible with our new network changes. And I can tell you here that it's (probably) not the sales rep lying to you to make a commission sale, our tools are indeed forcing us to do that.
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I'm just wondering why they are saying my phone currently isn't compatible when it obviously is. It works great. Even streams HD in an instant on Crickets network. Corporations aren't super efficient at checking all things under the sun. They are just checking phones they approve. They told me the same thing that my imei currently doesn't work but it does. Unless they are trying to be like Verizon and only allow specific phones in the future I'm still thinking once they shut off 3g then when someone wants to switch from Tmobile to Cricket with their unlocked working fine non 3g phone they still can or are they saying no they are going to be like Verizon and it has to be a Cricket branded phone. I don't think it's the later. I think they are just saying what will work, but not saying what won't work. Let's find out =( hehe
Read a discussion from 8 months ago. Seems like most are fine, one guy with a 1905 had issues on ATT. One guy did what I did so maybe that's why mine is fine for now. I haven't had issues like dropped calls etc but maybe the real issue I will have if Cricket adds wifi calling and VoLTE is if they use a specific frequency and the 1907 is missing it then I won't be able to use those. If Cricket only uses VoLTE then yes I am screwed in February =/
https://www.reddit.com/r/oneplus/comments/kf0hfo
"I am currently using a 7t that was advertised as factory unlocked on ebay, when it showed up and I turned it on the big bright pink Tmobile boot logo came by. I did some research and found the convert to international/global thread on xda, I got rid of the crap hydrogen OS that came with the "unlocked" Tmobile phone. Using ADB I was able to flash the international firmware Oxygen OS and haven't had any problems with at&t now."
If it's an IMEI issue, flashing with the hd1905 fw probably won't help matters. I have a hd1905 on cricket since 2019, everything but wifi calling works. The same cricket sim in a samdung s9+ yields working wifi calling.
So while the hd1905 and 1907 are essentially the same hardware devices, the serial #/imei may determine what happens come 2022.
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If it's an IMEI issue, flashing with the hd1905 fw probably won't help matters. I have a hd1905 on cricket since 2019, everything but wifi calling works. The same cricket sim in a samdung s9+ yields working wifi calling.
So while the hd1905 and 1907 are essentially the same hardware devices, the serial #/imei may determine what happens come 2022.
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Yup, I'm wondering if the hardware or the IMEI will determine things. I didn't even know Cricket had wifi calling. Did Cricket even let you download the wifi calling app but it didn't work or did they not allow you to download it?
Edit: I looked it up. Looks like wifi calling will work on phones that have it built in to their OS settings. I probably won't use it if I end up buying another OnePlus phone. I wonder if there are any phones where wifi calling is working on Cricket that isn't on the list but is in the OS settings.
Wifi calling app? The s9+ was hybrid flashed. Everything but the main OS came from the U firmware (carrier), while the rom came from U1 fw. Result was working carrier features (volte/wifi calling) without the bloat.
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Wifi calling app? The s9+ was hybrid flashed. Everything but the main OS came from the U firmware (carrier), while the rom came from U1 fw. Result was working carrier features (volte/wifi calling) without the bloat.
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The s9+ is probably the same as the s9 as far as the wifi calling since "+" isn't mentioned on their list.
Huh? It's right under the s9.