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[Q] Might be getting a little obsessive...

This is my first android phone on verizon before this i had the iPhone 5 for 2 years and before that i was on sprint with the evo 3d which was rooted... i didn't know it was a mission to get verizon phones rooted. Now im checking the forums everyday like 3 or 4 times a day to see if anything new has come up for root. Im getting desperate lol. People that have had previous note devices on verizon, did it usually take this long?

Lol you sound just like me! Ive looked everywhere. And now just sticking to xda hopen for some good news! I had a s2 rooted then went to ip4 to ip5s both jb. now im back to android with n4. N4 is a bad ass just waiting for this root to make it even meaner! I feel your pain bud!

Don't count on this phone being rooted on Verizon. If it's that important, you may need to switch phones/carriers. It's unfortunate.

It'll be rooted, just have patience. People are SMART around here, and they'll figure it out. It's still a fantastic phone as it is.
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Rippley05 said:
Don't count on this phone being rooted on Verizon. If it's that important, you may need to switch phones/carriers. It's unfortunate.
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This
zipkicker said:
It'll be rooted, just have patience. People are SMART around here, and they'll figure it out. It's still a fantastic phone as it is.
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Not this
I don't see root on N4 with lollipop for awhile...

kimdoocheol said:
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Not this
I don't see root on N4 with lollipop for awhile...
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Nice thing is, not a single person here can predict the future. Nobody knows for sure what'll happen.

mlin said:
Nice thing is, not a single person here can predict the future. Nobody knows for sure what'll happen.
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I don't doubt that the N4 will eventually have root.
I think the issues as stated is that CF needs an unlocked bootloader, which means either we get an unlocked bootloader (which I really doubt) or someone finds an alternative method. So yeah, nobody can predict the future, but this isn't like other phones like say on Tmob. There are more obstacles people with AT&T/VZW need to overcome. Saying otherwise at this point is very misleading to potential buyers and retail owners.

zipkicker said:
It'll be rooted, just have patience. People are SMART around here, and they'll figure it out. It's still a fantastic phone as it is.
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How patient are you? it might get root within a year maybe. want recovery and root buy a developer edition

I think the note 3 just got root this past summer, and it was released Sept 2013, so that would be 8-10 months after release.

Gareee said:
I think the note 3 just got root this past summer, and it was released Sept 2013, so that would be 8-10 months after release.
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From the what I recall, the Note 3 had root last year sometime. I remember this cause I was using one along with safestrap so that I could flash ROMS.

oneandroidnut said:
How patient are you? it might get root within a year maybe. want recovery and root buy a developer edition
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If only it were that easy. Unfortunately Samsung's DE program is a nightmare and they can't seem to keep them in stock. I would happily sell my phone today for $550 and order a DE for $700, but its not even an option.

mlin said:
If only it were that easy. Unfortunately Samsung's DE program is a nightmare and they can't seem to keep them in stock. I would happily sell my phone today for $550 and order a DE for $700, but its not even an option.
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they sell 20 at a time and then takes 3-4 weeks for 20 more. how they always have done it and how they always will

I had the g2 and I believe the boot on that one is still locked. They used this loki walk around thing.. any chande this can be done with the n4... anyone know about this?

mlin said:
Nice thing is, not a single person here can predict the future. Nobody knows for sure what'll happen.
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The best way to predict the future is to change it :3

oneandroidnut said:
they sell 20 at a time and then takes 3-4 weeks for 20 more. how they always have done it and how they always will
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Well if we've learned anything about Samsung this year its that they don't know how to properly plan their phone supplies. At this point I'll just wait for an M9 instead of dealing with Samsung's DE circus.

mlin said:
Well if we've learned anything about Samsung this year its that they don't know how to properly plan their phone supplies. At this point I'll just wait for an M9 instead of dealing with Samsung's DE circus.
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meh i will continue to rock note 4 and try out a nexus which is on the way to me!!!

oneandroidnut said:
meh i will continue to rock note 4 and try out a nexus which is on the way to me!!!
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easy for you to say...

mlin said:
easy for you to say...
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whys that?

Trade in or not to Trade in?

I recently picked up the G4 for $99 to avoid being charged an extra $20/month for my unlimited data.
I'm coming from the G3, which I loved. My question is, does anyone think development of any ROMs will happen?
I remembereh when I got the G3, the same thing was happening, no development, then over night it exploded. My G4 came with 11a, which is nice except the miserable touch experience. Any thoughts, should I sell it and get something different, or ride out the storm and hope for the best? Sorry for all the rambling.
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I came from the G2 so I honestly don't know how to answer your question. Things are pretty grim here on the verizon side.

Thanks for the responce, I'll ride it out for a week or two, then just sell my g4 if a new update or development doesn't aspire.
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jzmax22 said:
I recently picked up the G4 for $99 to avoid being charged an extra $20/month for my unlimited data.
I'm coming from the G3, which I loved. My question is, does anyone think development of any ROMs will happen?
I remembereh when I got the G3, the same thing was happening, no development, then over night it exploded. My G4 came with 11a, which is nice except the miserable touch experience. Any thoughts, should I sell it and get something different, or ride out the storm and hope for the best? Sorry for all the rambling.
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If you're looking for development, this isn't the droid you're looking for.

Sell it and get a Nexus device. I almost threw mine to the wall many times because of the touch screen.
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What everyone else said, this device is doomed right now in terms of development for anyone who is above 10b.

spotmark said:
If you're looking for development, this isn't the droid you're looking for.
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Ha, best quote on here! Thanks for the responses guys, tough desicion. This is a great phone, but I think I might go with the Nexus 6, the 6p is to expensive. The nexus 5 is nice as well, just seems like downgrade. Ideas?
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Give them the phone back and get your unlimited data back, if you really don't want the unlimited you can give it to someone or sell it...

drmalenko said:
Give them the phone back and get your unlimited data back, if you really don't want the unlimited you can give it to someone or sell it...
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I still have my unlimited, I transferredkm my Upgrade to my second line, then just put my SIM in the new phone, works everytime.
So I have ad guy interested in trading his Nexus 6 for many G4, should I pull the trigger?
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jzmax22 said:
So I have ad guy interested in trading his Nexus 6 for many G4, should I pull the trigger?
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If you want development you should. This phone is going nowhere in that department.

jzmax22 said:
I still have my unlimited, I transferredkm my Upgrade to my second line, then just put my SIM in the new phone, works everytime.
So I have ad guy interested in trading his Nexus 6 for many G4, should I pull the trigger?
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Absolutely not! The Nexus 6 can be purchased new for $289. The G4 still retails for $499 I believe, if it's still new you could easily sell it for $350-$400.

geoff5093 said:
Absolutely not! The Nexus 6 can be purchased new for $289. The G4 still retails for $499 I believe, if it's still new you could easily sell it for $350-$400.
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That's what thought, thanks. The 6 is to big for me anyways, I have a feeling development will eventually happen. Right now I'm happy with root and hotspot working, just wish there was a fix for the touchscreen issues. They are getting old quick.
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jzmax22 said:
That's what thought, thanks. The 6 is to big for me anyways, I have a feeling development will eventually happen. Right now I'm happy with root and hotspot working, just wish there was a fix for the touchscreen issues. They are getting old quick.
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Don't forget Xposed, I have a guide on that here as well.
Personally I don't think any development will come. I had the G2, G3, and G4, and with each new model there was less and less dev support. From what I heard you need to be on 10b for the possible bootloader exploit, but most of us are past that version now.

geoff5093 said:
Don't forget Xposed, I have a guide on that here as well.
Personally I don't think any development will come. I had the G2, G3, and G4, and with each new model there was less and less dev support. From what I heard you need to be on 10b for the possible bootloader exploit, but most of us are past that version now.
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Link for guide? Never really loved xposed, but what the heck, I'll give it a go.
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geoff5093 said:
Absolutely not! The Nexus 6 can be purchased new for $289. The G4 still retails for $499 I believe, if it's still new you could easily sell it for $350-$400.
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New ones are going on Swappa for $300, and mint N6s for about the same, maybe a hair less.

jzmax22 said:
Link for guide? Never really loved xposed, but what the heck, I'll give it a go.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-g4/general/guide-install-xposed-verizon-g4-t3182267
Get G4 Tweaksbox if you install Xposed.
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New ones are going on Swappa for $300, and mint N6s for about the same, maybe a hair less.
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I just sold mine a week ago used for $360. New ones are selling for anywhere between $310-$350. Still more than a Nexus 6 new for $289.
If you wanted to flip a phone, the G4 is one of the worst honestly. You should have gotten an iPhone or Note5.

Question. I think I can live with root and freezing the LG UI bloat stuff. The main question is are the new models fixed for the touchscreen issue? I'm seeing new ones for sale on swappa. They have manufacture dates of 08/2015. Are August production phones free of the touchscreen issue?

I just received a May 2015 g4 from best buy. Still on 10b. They keep trying to force an update. I will try to keep stalling. Was it 11 update that introduced the touchscreen issues? I don't want to root yet because I want Android pay.
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wekurtz74 said:
I just received a May 2015 g4 from best buy. Still on 10b. They keep trying to force an update. I will try to keep stalling. Was it 11 update that introduced the touchscreen issues? I don't want to root yet because I want Android pay.
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If you root, then install xposed...you can install root cloak for Android Pay. It works perfectly for me. Just don't try and open Android Pay between the time that you root it and install Root Cloak (and add it to the cloaking list).

killswitch23456 said:
If you root, then install xposed...you can install root cloak for Android Pay. It works perfectly for me. Just don't try and open Android Pay between the time that you root it and install Root Cloak (and add it to the cloaking list).
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Does xposed drain the battery on the g4? I had it on the g3 and it ruined battery life.
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Any way at all to unlock the bootloader of the Verizon Pixel XL?

Is there a way to flash the stock Google firmware and then unlock the bootloader that way?
If not I'll just have to wait until someone makes a depixel 8 for oreo

ShadowTechXTS said:
Is there a way to flash the stock Google firmware and then unlock the bootloader that way?
If not I'll just have to wait until someone makes a depixel 8 for oreo
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There is only one way, from now until the end of time, to unlock the bl of a Verizon Pixel. Sell it and buy a Google version.
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This irks me too. Not like some of us have a choice on which version we can get. ****ing Google man they are doing the same bull**** Microsoft has been doing these past few years.

negativzeroe said:
This irks me too. Not like some of us have a choice on which version we can get. ****ing Google man they are doing the same bull**** Microsoft has been doing these past few years.
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This was Verizon's decision.

thacounty said:
This was Verizon's decision.
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And it was Google's decision to bend over and take it from Verizon.

negativzeroe said:
And it was Google's decision to bend over and take it from Verizon.
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And it was your decision to get it from Verizon and not Google ;>

mochamoo said:
And it was your decision to get it from Verizon and not Google ;>
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Not mine. Company plan is on the big V
:'(
However my wife is on Fi so I'll probably buy another from Google and swap with her. :good:

If you managed to get a Pixel with an older security update you would be able to. If you bought it NEW one, most likely it comes with the updated version.
I would suggest taking it back and buying it through the Google website.

whitak3r said:
If you managed to get a Pixel with an older security update you would be able to. If you bought it NEW one, most likely it comes with the updated version.
I would suggest taking it back and buying it through the Google website.
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Guy just unlocked my Verizon pixel XL Oreo 8.1.0 look on Facebook his name is smail amzdak. He can do it. Message him.

How much did he charge you? How was it done?
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puum1527 said:
Guy just unlocked my Verizon pixel XL Oreo 8.1.0 look on Facebook his name is smail amzdak. He can do it. Message him.
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You're everywhere.

Yes I too have done the Unlock for my Verizon Pixel XL with Smail. Really nice and helpful guy. I gotta say to that his services are extremely cheap. Don't be scared to give him some extra dollars. The dude is awesome and his services is really quick. All you Verizon Pixel people that want unlock see him on Facebook. Oh and I was on the latest update of 8.1. go see him you won't be disappointed

Yes smali was awesome. He unlocked mine last night in about 20 mins or so. I'm now rooted, unlocked, TWRP, and running substratum theme engine. Gonna start building a "SLIM" rom soon.

epikroms said:
Yes I too have done the Unlock for my Verizon Pixel XL with Smail. Really nice and helpful guy. I gotta say to that his services are extremely cheap. Don't be scared to give him some extra dollars. The dude is awesome and his services is really quick. All you Verizon Pixel people that want unlock see him on Facebook. Oh and I was on the latest update of 8.1. go see him you won't be disappointed
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Yezir!... Took him about 20 minutes... Verizon Pixel unlocked!

Worth the RMA?

Hey everyone. Simple questions. First, is the Pixel XL worth upgrading to from the Nexus 6P with the RMA that is being done right now? Second, where is all the development? Was the Pixel XL tough to begin development for or did not many devs take to it? I run RR now but used PN before it for a while (amongst others). I see PN exists here too but not a lot of other ROMs, unless I'm missing them.
Anyway, the short of it is this. Is it worth taking the upgrade instead of a refurbished and is there enough active development for someone that enjoys flashing and trying things?
Any info is appreciated. Thanks!
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It's an expensive device. That's one barrier for active development.
The new a/b update. That's another problem.
Take the upgrade. Sell it, buy something else. Like the oneplus

wgrant said:
Hey everyone. Simple questions. First, is the Pixel XL worth upgrading to from the Nexus 6P with the RMA that is being done right now? Second, where is all the development? Was the Pixel XL tough to begin development for or did not many devs take to it? I run RR now but used PN before it for a while (amongst others). I see PN exists here too but not a lot of other ROMs, unless I'm missing them.
Anyway, the short of it is this. Is it worth taking the upgrade instead of a refurbished and is there enough active development for someone that enjoys flashing and trying things?
Any info is appreciated. Thanks!
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Definitely a matter of opinion and preference. I know the seemingly lack of development is in part because a lot of teams I assume are either working on an Oreo rebase or waiting for the Pixel 2 perhaps? The other reason is the dual-partitions / A-B slots which is why there's been issues with TWRP and GAPPS I believe. It does seem like there's a lot of the same ROMs available as the 6P, just 7.1.2 instead of 8.0.
just got my replacement Pixel XL last week and I had run RR on my 6P for the longest time, but shortly before returning it I had been using Oreo with just a handful of mods, so switching to the XL and doing the same wasn't too drastic a change. The screen being smaller is hardly noticeable to me. The dual front-facing speakers are missed, but the phone being way more responsive and smooth is a fair trade off for me since I didn't listen to music too often through the speakers.
If you do like to hop around from ROM to ROM a lot this phone might leave a little to be desired, but if you plan on just using Oreo with some mods (check out the themes and apps section, I'm using the Aroma installer mods by Tulsadiver) then you will probably be content. Honestly, I plan on trying to sell it on Swappa shortly after the Pixel 2 XL comes out so I wasn't too worried about the amount of ROM choices and was glad to get the free upgrade even if just for a month or two till I get the Pixel 2 XL.

I'd take the RMA if for no other reason than the Pixel is a far superior device. If you really have a need to constantly flash and try things then it may not be the best device for you. If you want the best experience Android has to offer out of the box, then look no further than the Pixel.

I certainly don't HAVE to jump from ROM to ROM but the option from time to time would be nice. I have been interested in Oreo but haven't tried it yet on 6P. Is rooting difficult for the Pixel XL? I haven't heard about the A/B slot thing, I'll have to do more research tomorrow. Thanks guys!
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wgrant said:
I certainly don't HAVE to jump from ROM to ROM but the option from time to time would be nice. I have been interested in Oreo but haven't tried it yet on 6P. Is rooting difficult for the Pixel XL? I haven't heard about the A/B slot thing, I'll have to do more research tomorrow. Thanks guys!
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I'm sure here soon there will be more ROM options once everyone gets Oreo up and running and gets the kinks worked out. And rooting and unlocking isn't really difficult, but a different experience from the 6P that's for sure. One downside to Oreo right now is that there's no officially supported TWRP aside from a bootable version you have to use fastboot / bootloader to get into it. So depending on how often you're around a computer, that may or may not be an issue. Supposedly some people have the RC1 or RC2 versions of TWRP working so you don't need the PC, but it takes 10-15+ minutes for it to reboot into recovery. Haven't tried for myself though.

if you already havent done it, your too late https://www.androidheadlines.com/20...ds-out-of-warranty-nexus-6p-replacements.html
Luckily i got my RMA last week

TheAtheistOtaku said:
if you already havent done it, your too late https://www.androidheadlines.com/20...ds-out-of-warranty-nexus-6p-replacements.html
Luckily i got my RMA last week
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Well that's just if you're out of warranty they direct you to Huawei (brick wall) so that they can hang up on you

Does that also count for Project Fi customers? You would think they would want to make them happy.
I was lucky. I got my RMA in last Friday and got my Pixel XL 128g phone today. Totally worth it. No more battery issues and it just looks better.

desdecardo said:
Does that also count for Project Fi customers? You would think they would want to make them happy.
I was lucky. I got my RMA in last Friday and got my Pixel XL 128g phone today. Totally worth it. No more battery issues and it just looks better.
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Pretty sure it's everyone out of the warranty period whether you got it from the Google store or Fi. I got mine last week, contacted them Sun night, and since I still was within the warranty (bought it Nov 2016) and had Nexus Protect on the device it was next day shipping and didn't even have to pay the deductible. I do miss the 6P, but the Pixel is smooth as silk. :good:

I've already been approved for the replacement with a 128GB black Pixel XL, I just haven't processed the order yet. Coming up with the 870 to put on hold is the tough part. I'm pretty sure the replacements stopped for out of warranty units too, not ones still covered. The rep tools me they have almost no refurbished units to use as replacements. I think I might pull the trigger and do the replacement to avoid complete failure on the 6P. It's a shame because I LOVE the 6P.
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It's so much better I'm not going to bother getting the note 8 or the v30. Makes the 6p seem older than it was. The SD 810 really was a dog. Better photos, which is nuts, much better battery life, all the little parts of the pixel experience, better build quality. Holding out to see what the s9 brings to the table
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I appreciate all the input everyone, thank you. Now to find a way to put 870+ on hold for a while lol. That's the real dilemma.
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wgrant said:
I appreciate all the input everyone, thank you. Now to find a way to put 870+ on hold for a while lol. That's the real dilemma.
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Do you have a credit card? I contacted Google two days ago due to my 6p battery turning into a potato. They hooked me up with a pixel XL which is on the way.
I used my credit card to put the 800 dollar hold on.

Pain-N-Panic said:
Do you have a credit card? I contacted Google two days ago due to my 6p battery turning into a potato. They hooked me up with a pixel XL which is on the way.
I used my credit card to put the 800 dollar hold on.
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I have one but not with the available balance needed. I wish I could figure out a way but it looks like I'm gonna miss the opportunity to replace my phone at this point.
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wgrant said:
I have one but not with the available balance needed. I wish I could figure out a way but it looks like I'm gonna miss the opportunity to replace my phone at this point.
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Ask them if you can send your phone first.
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Ask them if you can send your phone first.
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That's a good idea. Have them email you the shipping label and ask if you can ship your phone first to avoid the hold charge (assuming you're able to be without a cell phone for a few days.)

Pain-N-Panic said:
That's a good idea. Have them email you the shipping label and ask if you can ship your phone first to avoid the hold charge (assuming you're able to be without a cell phone for a few days.)
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He can print the shipping label, that's how they do the exchange anyway. Google's pretty good at working with people. Tell them your problem. Worst thing that happens is that you're out a phone for a few days
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Pain-N-Panic said:
That's a good idea. Have them email you the shipping label and ask if you can ship your phone first to avoid the hold charge (assuming you're able to be without a cell phone for a few days.)
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Tried that and they won't. Talked to 2 different reps too. I have my old note 4 I can fall back on for a few days while I wait if I can get them to do it that way. I'll try again tomorrow.
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TheAtheistOtaku said:
if you already havent done it, your too late https://www.androidheadlines.com/20...ds-out-of-warranty-nexus-6p-replacements.html
Luckily i got my RMA last week
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No, that's just one guy on Reddit who was told no over chat. I used the telephone support on Sunday because my Nexus 6P went into bootloop and they had to "ask the next level support" if they could "give me a warranty exception" but I shipped my Nexus 6P 64 out Sunday and my Pixel XL 128 will be here tomorrow. There were a few others in the Reddit thread who also successfully got a replacement after this supposed "ending" of RMAs.

Verizon bootloader unlock???

my dumbass screwed up and purchased the verizon one by accident. and was wondering if anyone has heard or seen the bootloader unlocked anywhere. ive googled but keep getting pixel 1 threads

Nope.
Return it for refund, then order a non VZW version.

Ah. The tragic tales continue. Return it.

wtherrell said:
Ah. The tragic tales continue. Return it.
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ya looks like thats the plan. re ordering today. using my note 8 in the mean time i guess.....

Guess no one is buying from verizon since they cut the price down by 50%.....lol

lucky_strike33 said:
Guess no one is buying from verizon since they cut the price down by 50%.....lol
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They could not give me me one free of charge (if I had to keep it for my DD.) If I can't unlock the bootloader, I don't want it. But that's just me and a bunch of other people. YMMV.

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ya looks like thats the plan. re ordering today. using my note 8 in the mean time i guess.....
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How did you like it in comparison to the note 8? I currently have the note (despite always being a nexus guy and a Samsung hater) and I love it. But still tempted by the pixel.

wtherrell said:
They could not give me me one free of charge (if I had to keep it for my DD.) If I can't unlock the bootloader, I don't want it. But that's just me and a bunch of other people. YMMV.
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I really don't think you have much to worry about then. Personally, I'd take a dozen of them and give them out to everyone I know since no one I know even knows what a bootloader is, no less root.
I have a VZW Pixel locked bootloader and I have no regrets. I recently had to return the one I got for $240 over 2 years for a warranty replacement. They sent me another Verizon model but I could unlock it this time. Must have slipped thru the cracks. I did flip the switch but I won't unlock it until I no longer have it on a network at which point I'd play around with stuff and not worry about performance or soft bricks. I've found no real reason to unlock it while using it as my DD.
But as you say, that's just you and this is just me. Neither of us is right or wrong, it's just how we do things these days. I will not pay $650 just to have a device that I can bl unlock when I won't unlock it anyway. Under $300 and $360 for the 2 XL is a tremendous deal. Other than on XDA I doubt there are many who even care about bl at those prices. You won't get that from Google and maybe not even from Verizon this year. We'll see.
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lucky_strike33 said:
Guess no one is buying from verizon since they cut the price down by 50%.....lol
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Not yet but hopefully soon.

My bet is there will never be a bootloader exploit for the VZW bootloader's. This time I went direct with Google.

I ordered a Pixel 2 XL from Verizon last night about 9:00pm and already have it in my hands and activated. I'm not one of those that has to have an unlockable bootloader either. I purchased from Verizon because it was 50% off by trading in my Verizon Moto Z Force. Lately I've switched camps from must have unlockable bootloader to don't want unlocked bootloader. I prefer to remain stock and take OTA's without issues. My past experiences have taught me that the stock software untampered with performs better and more reliably than any 3rd party ROM ever will. My only reason for unlocking to begin with was ad blocking and removing unwanted apps. You can block ads with "VPN Hosts" app on an unrooted phone and I don't feel the need to remove software any more. I just don't open what I don't use. I haven't tried to unlock the bootloader on this new phone but I suspect you cannot.

pieman13 said:
How did you like it in comparison to the note 8? I currently have the note (despite always being a nexus guy and a Samsung hater) and I love it. But still tempted by the pixel.
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You just described me! I have both right now and honestly I think my pixel xl 2 is going back, never thought id be thinking like that

capsnbottles said:
You just described me! I have both right now and honestly I think my pixel xl 2 is going back, never thought id be thinking like that
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I know, the note is an amazing device. I keep thinking I'm nuts by sticking with it but it's kinda flawless.

pieman13 said:
I know, the note is an amazing device. I keep thinking I'm nuts by sticking with it but it's kinda flawless.
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I use the pixel as a toy and to play around with roms. Ill probably save a few hundred bucks and buy the 5t this week, and use the note for my dd

capsnbottles said:
I use the pixel as a toy and to play around with roms. Ill probably save a few hundred bucks and buy the 5t this week, and use the note for my dd
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That's what I use my op3t for. I just went into a Verizon store and played with the pixel, took a few indoor shots and compared them. I'm no longer looking for a pixel.

pieman13 said:
That's what I use my op3t for. I just went into a Verizon store and played with the pixel, took a few indoor shots and compared them. I'm no longer looking for a pixel.
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I've never owned a one plus, excited about the 5t. How are they?

capsnbottles said:
I've never owned a one plus, excited about the 5t. How are they?
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Very hit or miss. The quality control is poor. If had each except the five. Two of my kids still using my old ones and they are holding up well but it's a total lottery. That's been my experience with every model they have released.

foopy said:
I ordered a Pixel 2 XL from Verizon last night about 9:00pm and already have it in my hands and activated. I'm not one of those that has to have an unlockable bootloader either. I purchased from Verizon because it was 50% off by trading in my Verizon Moto Z Force. Lately I've switched camps from must have unlockable bootloader to don't want unlocked bootloader. I prefer to remain stock and take OTA's without issues. My past experiences have taught me that the stock software untampered with performs better and more reliably than any 3rd party ROM ever will. My only reason for unlocking to begin with was ad blocking and removing unwanted apps. You can block ads with "VPN Hosts" app on an unrooted phone and I don't feel the need to remove software any more. I just don't open what I don't use. I haven't tried to unlock the bootloader on this new phone but I suspect you cannot.
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I'm strongly considering ordering one from VZW because of the current promotion. I had resided to keeping my Pixel XL, but now that I know I can take an old spare phone and get 50% of a new pixel 2 XL, I'm very tempted. I have a Pixel XL with an unlocked bootloader, but it's been unrooted for at least the last 8 months and I haven't otherwise taken advantage of the unlocked bootloader so I don't think I'd miss it. I love the stock ROM, the seamless update process, and decreased vulnerability.

mlin said:
I'm strongly considering ordering one from VZW because of the current promotion. I had resided to keeping my Pixel XL, but now that I know I can take an old spare phone and get 50% of a new pixel 2 XL, I'm very tempted. I have a Pixel XL with an unlocked bootloader, but it's been unrooted for at least the last 8 months and I haven't otherwise taken advantage of the unlocked bootloader so I don't think I'd miss it. I love the stock ROM, the seamless update process, and decreased vulnerability.
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There is one thing about the Pixel 2 XL you need to be aware of. The screen colors are pale and not very vivid. As a result the display does not look as good as other phones. Do some research on that before you buy to make sure you can live with it. I'm ok with it but I'm sure others may not be.

foopy said:
There is one thing about the Pixel 2 XL you need to be aware of. The screen colors are pale and not very vivid. As a result the display does not look as good as other phones. Do some research on that before you buy to make sure you can live with it. I'm ok with it but I'm sure others may not be.
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With saturated color mode, it definitely is not too pale. Actually, that mode is too saturated to me, but some people like it that way

beezar said:
With saturated color mode, it definitely is not too pale. Actually, that mode is too saturated to me, but some people like it that way
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LOL I just got the update a few minutes ago.that's the first thing I tested. Saturated mode does improve the colors, at least in my opinion.