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Randomly walked into an ATT store this morning and got a Note 4...

...So when are we getting a good root?

WwOliveros said:
...So when are we getting a good root?
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Probably never.

I bet by the end of this week. Root will be easy, bootloader will not be broken though. I just want my Titanium Backup and Root Explorer so root is all need.

I called a few att stores in my area and each of them said they have them in stock, but cannot sell them... How'd you pull this off?

Offline21 said:
I called a few att stores in my area and each of them said they have them in stock, but cannot sell them... How'd you pull this off?
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I just walked in and asked? Ha. And would we not be able to flash custom ROMS? I need my CM11!

You'll never have CM11 on it. Never. But you can use exposed and do other mods. Just no ROMS.

Wow. I guess a lot of things have changed since my old S3.

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Wow. I guess a lot of things have changed since my old S3.
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Exactly. That was the most recent samsung phone I've had where everything was in happy order. But that's why I'm buying t mobile version
They already have root

fcb1 said:
Exactly. That was the most recent samsung phone I've had where everything was in happy order. But that's why I'm buying t mobile version
They already have root
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Shoot. I might consider returning it and getting a Nexus 6 then. I never even bothered doing my homework on this, I assumed it would always be possible

WwOliveros said:
Shoot. I might consider returning it and getting a Nexus 6 then. I never even bothered doing my homework on this, I assumed it would always be possible
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I was surprised when it happened because samsung phones were always so open. Nexus 6 looks good but it's just a big phone with no feature that I know of at least to take advantage if that screen. At least they finally went above 32gb now. But I don't think I'll ever buy an AT&T phone ever again.

I did the same. Walked into an AT&T near me during lunch and got a white Note 4. I wasn't expecting to be able to get one but they are selling them here in Milwaukee.
Much like some of you here, I don't need anything more than root to run titanium and a couple other things. I never understood the idea of getting a note device to throw an AOSP rom on it that negates the S Pen functionality and other Note qualities. Why not just get any other big phone?

Tikerz said:
Probably never.
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Why do you say that? Root and bootloader are two completely different things.
Root should be easy and we should get it. Custom recovery on the other hand, probably not.

I'm in Pa and just called my local store, they have them in as well and the guy said I can come get one now. I'M on my way to pick up note 4 also. I'm with u guys just want root for titanium backup and xposed , I really don't flash roms to often anymore.

verks said:
You'll never have CM11 on it. Never. But you can use exposed and do other mods. Just no ROMS.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but these custom ROMS don't support the S Pen. If that is true, what use is the ROMS if you can't use the S Pen. That is one major point of the whole note.

mpazevedo said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but these custom ROMS don't support the S Pen. If that is true, what use is the ROMS if you can't use the S Pen. That is one major point of the whole note.
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The S Pen was never a real selling point for me. HTCs have bad cameras, LGs have have horrible reliability from mine/my buddies experience with the G2 and the Note is still the spec king. I could definitely get behind a Nexus though.

alpinesun said:
I did the same. Walked into an AT&T near me during lunch and got a white Note 4. I wasn't expecting to be able to get one but they are selling them here in Milwaukee.
Much like some of you here, I don't need anything more than root to run titanium and a couple other things. I never understood the idea of getting a note device to throw an AOSP rom on it that negates the S Pen functionality and other Note qualities. Why not just get any other big phone?
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Which store did you go to? I tried at the Greenfield store on 76th and Layton but they said they will start selling it on the 17th.

I don't mind touchwiz myself and if you haven't played with a note 4 in store you might be pretty happy with touchwiz this time around, its snappy and actually doesn't look nearly as bad as it used to. Can just install nova or google now launcher if it is that bothersome though from a UI perspective. Setting wise I think Samsung offers more a better features than aosp.
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I got the Note 4 in Pasadena, they had 5 white and 2 black. They are technically not suppose to sell them until Friday, but all the corp stores got them. It took a bit of effort to get them to admit they had them, and I pulled the corporate partner card on them so they went ahead with it.
Now what sucks is I can't transfer any of my data with titanium backup, I am wondering when root will be available.
I also agree with others here, if you don't need or care for the S-Pen the Nexus 6 is probably the device you want...
So who will be first to release a root?

Hopefully we can get root for now... Maybe we should check out the G3 forum as they got root with the bootloader locked...
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Got mine from a store in Austin today. Just walked in and they said they'd sell it.

Chainfire comments on root and future Android

Chainfire posted a long writeup of what the future holds for root on Android phones including Lollipop. It's an interesting read.
"As stated above, it seems for now that modifications to the kernel package are required to have root, we cannot attain it with only modifications to the system partition.
Combine that with a locked bootloader (and optionally dm-verity) and a device becomes nigh unrootable - exactly as intended by the security guys.
Exploit-based roots are already harder to do thanks to SELinux, and now because of the kernel requirements for persistent root, these exploits will need to be run at every boot. Exploits that make the system unstable (as many do) are thus out as well.
It is now thus more important than ever to buy unlocked devices if you want root."
Edit: Tikerz beat me to it. His post is here. Mods delete if you want.

No real surprise to me. It was only a matter of time before it got locked down to the point of no easy exploit. I'm surprised it took this long, actually.
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man locking bootloaders is one thing.. but root??!?
its not even a poormans route anymore to get a carrier phone over a factory one, you need to choose between functionality or reception..
i wonder if Xposed is responsible for crazy bootloader security moving over to root.
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The lack of root in the foreseeable future really ruined my excitement for this phone I have gotten so used to all the nice features of root (in addition to custom ROMs) like Ti Backup, AdAway, customization, etc. that I do not want to fork out the money for a phone that doesn't feel truly mine.
That said, I'm confident the devs will find a solution. Just like every iPhone has been jailbroken there will be root for the Note 4!

There is a root for the note 4.....just not ours ...as intended...if we want root we bought the wrong device...I got it the day before it came out in the mail and was excited I wasn't aware that it was going to be so neglected...I was at least hoping for a safestrap like the note 3 I had that I don't anymore because it shattered and they gave me this as a replacement...now I can't get root...way too sleezy...they got me!
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I certainly don't see it as 'sleezy', as the devices were always known to be locked. It isnt like AT&T were endorsing root or safe strap in the first place... Or secretly locked it at the last minute without telling anyone.
But opinions on morality aside, it is disappointing that root may take a while. Though I'm still optimistic that it will happen eventually.
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JasonJoel said:
I certainly don't see it as 'sleezy', as the devices were always known to be locked. It isnt like AT&T were endorsing root or safe strap in the first place... Or secretly locked it at the last minute without telling anyone.
But opinions on morality aside, it is disappointing that root may take a while. Though I'm still optimistic that it will happen eventually.
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Do you have a feel for how long it might take? How many phones have there been historically that never made it? Cheers!

funnycreature said:
Do you have a feel for how long it might take? How many phones have there been historically that never made it? Cheers!
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Depends if you have a smart enough person with enough time / incentive.
Thus....the bounty thread we all made to hopefully catch a genius eye or 2

funnycreature said:
Do you have a feel for how long it might take? How many phones have there been historically that never made it? Cheers!
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AT&T Note 3 still does not have an unlocked boot loader. I wouldn't hold out for one on this phone. Also everyone with locked boot loaders will loose root permanently when lollipop rolls out.
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pr0cl1v1ty said:
Depends if you have a smart enough person with enough time / incentive.
Thus....the bounty thread we all made to hopefully catch a genius eye or 2
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I agree with you but "enough time" could be a whole year

mircury said:
It is now thus more important than ever to buy unlocked devices if you want root."
Edit: Tikerz beat me to it. His post is here. Mods delete if you want.
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Yeah, if you can afford it, for the rest of us though, it sounds like we'll be out of luck.

Maybe we need to start looking at hardware hacks, like when chipping a console?

Maybe an insecure boot.img can root this phone.

Focus on the boot loader. If it gets unlocked we will be fine with root.
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ShrekOpher said:
AT&T Note 3 still does not have an unlocked boot loader. I wouldn't hold out for one on this phone. Also everyone with locked boot loaders will loose root permanently when lollipop rolls out.
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Which is why I will be buying the T-Mobile Note 4 and unlocking. They already have root and TWRP.

At the very least, I just want AdAway to be functional.

I may sell my att one when my bb pre-order arrives and buy a T-Mobile version...

mshinall said:
Maybe we need to start looking at hardware hacks, like when chipping a console?
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That would be the way to go if the bootloader will not be unlocked. It.will be like Playstation 3 .

nice having posts like this just right up front.... I come to xda for the modding and mainly rooting of my phones.... att releases a totally locked down note 4 and already people are speaking out about its probably not going to get an unlock like the s5... I give up all hope of seeing a subsidized note 4 and start waiting on a nexus 6 to see if the bootloader is still unlockable.
So within 3 posts and less than 15 minutes I learned abandon the att n4... quick and easy... ty xda :highfive:

fbauto1 said:
I agree with you but "enough time" could be a whole year
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Im coming from the S5 I have faith in the Devs here in the beginning with the S5 seemed like all hope was lost and then out of nowhere root was available. I'm going to enjoy the device and give whoever has the means enough time to do their thing it will happen eventually

UPDATESSS

http://www.technobuffalo.com/2015/06/11/htc-one-m9-gets-big-camera-update/
Did anyone see this? Looks promising, i hope a dev can make a stock rooted version!

To be honest, id probably flash that update. Im in Israel and i have yet to find someone with a Java card here. Stock isnt horribleeeee but i miss Cyanogen/AOSP

Stock isn't bad at all if you disable all the crap. I'm pretty much resigned to the fact we're not getting root.

I have root. Dottat is only an inbox message and a shipping charge+donation away.

Ok, a hundred people or so will have root. Which means there's not a whole lot of development that will be happening, so I'll just live with stock.

JelloB said:
Ok, a hundred people or so will have root. Which means there's not a whole lot of development that will be happening, so I'll just live with stock.
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Theres four public folks with cards. Even more who aren't. There's a lot more than 100. I know a dev who already built cm for this very phone. Its not a dead phone. Its just getting started.

JelloB said:
Ok, a hundred people or so will have root. Which means there's not a whole lot of development that will be happening, so I'll just live with stock.
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ByeBye

JelloB said:
Ok, a hundred people or so will have root. Which means there's not a whole lot of development that will be happening, so I'll just live with stock.
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I disagree, it takes time to get things going. Most the Developers (that I know of anyway) that are on Verizon have gotten their phones S-OFF, and are working hard to bring us the goodies. It will only get better from here, and those who are patient enough or don't feel like shipping their devices, will have all the goodies waiting for them, as we are working hard getting the ball rolling. It will only keep getting better and better. Even if SunShine NEVER brings support to Verizon, their any many amazing people with Java Cards who are 100% trustworthy and depending how you ship your device it can be back the same week. (I personally sent my phone out with $400 insurance on a Monday, and the phone was back in my hands by Wednesday - It was on it's way back to me with a tracking # before I even had time to see if the phone had made it!) 100% worth it, and thank you again @dottat!

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I disagree, it takes time to get things going. Most the Developers (that I know of anyway) that are on Verizon have gotten their phones S-OFF, and are working hard to bring us the goodies. It will only get better from here, and those who are patient enough or don't feel like shipping their devices, will have all the goodies waiting for them, as we are working hard getting the ball rolling. It will only keep getting better and better. Even if SunShine NEVER brings support to Verizon, their any many amazing people with Java Cards who are 100% trustworthy and depending how you ship your device it can be back the same week. (I personally sent my phone out with $400 insurance on a Monday, and the phone was back in my hands by Wednesday - It was on it's way back to me with a tracking # before I even had time to see if the phone had made it!) 100% worth it, and thank you again @dottat!
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Great words Andy. It's only the beginning

dottat said:
Theres four public folks with cards. Even more who aren't. There's a lot more than 100. I know a dev who already built cm for this very phone. Its not a dead phone. Its just getting started.
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i appreciate the encouragement. ive considering learning how to.compile, but i dont know programming and id assume id need to know that. if its a situation of placing files in this directory and that directory, and changing paths in this code and that....i can probably do that.

Anybody knows of camera update ..is it only firmware or software for it to work. Example is the international builds we are running latest build but not firmware. Somebody told me we need firmware to see change on camera,but a really can see a difference in camera quality without the firmware

xavierxxx2p said:
Anybody knows of camera update ..is it only firmware or software for it to work. Example is the international builds we are running latest build but not firmware. Somebody told me we need firmware to see change on camera,but a really can see a difference in camera quality without the firmware
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I'm on insertcoins, don't really see much difference between

Camera works great. Here is mine.

kgirlx said:
ByeBye
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this deters membership. this deters people from tinkering. it deters the spark required to inspire learning.

andybones said:
I disagree, it takes time to get things going. Most the Developers (that I know of anyway) that are on Verizon have gotten their phones S-OFF, and are working hard to bring us the goodies. It will only get better from here, and those who are patient enough or don't feel like shipping their devices, will have all the goodies waiting for them, as we are working hard getting the ball rolling. It will only keep getting better and better. Even if SunShine NEVER brings support to Verizon, their any many amazing people with Java Cards who are 100% trustworthy and depending how you ship your device it can be back the same week. (I personally sent my phone out with $400 insurance on a Monday, and the phone was back in my hands by Wednesday - It was on it's way back to me with a tracking # before I even had time to see if the phone had made it!) 100% worth it, and thank you again @dottat!
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100%... Should have mine back from him on Wednesday... He had it taped up and on the way back by the time ups told me he had received it! Really looking forward to the phone.
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dnoyeb said:
100%... Should have mine back from him on Wednesday... He had it taped up and on the way back by the time ups told me he had received it! Really looking forward to the phone.
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i have no option BUT to wait. i dont know of any place in Israel who has a JAVA card. i could probably take the update and wait longer for whoever comes out with the exploit for the current sw to come out with an exploit for the update. i havent decided yet. i really hope someone finds an exploit. this update does sound very promising

andybones said:
Camera works great. Here is mine.
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Meh....
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dottat said:
Meh....
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new playstore update?

dottat said:
Meh....
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Only meh....... Considering you have the magical sauce that no one else has....

aer0zer0 said:
Only meh....... Considering you have the magical sauce that no one else has....
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The camera update is in the play store now. Doesn't fix the missing manual controls in raw mode though.

What is taking so long for the bootloader to be unlocked?

Its been like almost 4 months since this phone was out and still no success? What could be taking so long? Also i have this version just incase i missed out on something

Evnul000 said:
Its been like almost 4 months since this phone was out and still no success? What could be taking so long? Also i have this version just incase i missed out on something
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If you have the H815 EUR, that variant is unlockable officially

Evnul000 said:
Its been like almost 4 months since this phone was out and still no success? What could be taking so long? Also i have this version just incase i missed out on something
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We've all been waiting for you to come up with a solution. Are you telling us now that you're just waiting as well?

mythos234 said:
If you have the H815 EUR, that variant is unlockable officially
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I actually did try with my one and it said it doesnt support the US variant and I thought it was the European version.

Really!!???
First people were complaining about how long root was taking and started saying it's never going to come out. Then it ends up coming out 1 month earlier than it did with the G3.
Now bootloader. Patience!!!
Devs don't get paid for this stuff, lot of them do it on their own spare time.

Week and a half until the Moto X Pure, and LG Nexus 5 (2015) probably won't be too far behind.

spotmark said:
Week and a half until the Moto X Pure, and LG Nexus 5 (2015) probably won't be too far behind.
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+1
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spartan268 said:
Really!!???
First people were complaining about how long root was taking and started saying it's never going to come out. Then it ends up coming out 1 month earlier than it did with the G3.
Now bootloader. Patience!!!
Devs don't get paid for this stuff, lot of them do it on their own spare time.
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spotmark said:
Week and a half until the Moto X Pure, and LG Nexus 5 (2015) probably won't be too far behind.
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$399 for pure. So tempting!
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spartan268 said:
Really!!???
First people were complaining about how long root was taking and started saying it's never going to come out. Then it ends up coming out 1 month earlier than it did with the G3.
Now bootloader. Patience!!!
Devs don't get paid for this stuff, lot of them do it on their own spare time.
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I know it's not the case for all devs, but some of them make really good money doing this in their spare time.

Honestly I don't think the G4 is that popular which won't attract that many talented devs that can decode LG's security boot encription. Those who can crack the code probaby don't sit around playing with cell phones anyways.
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spotmark said:
Week and a half until the Moto X Pure, and LG Nexus 5 (2015) probably won't be too far behind.
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Left the nexus 6 for this device and while it's a great phone just doesn't compare to a nexus device. I'm going back once the new devices come out

dspcap said:
I know it's not the case for all devs, but some of them make really good money doing this in their spare time.
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Are you paying them for this???
Could always learn to do it yourself[emoji33]
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dspcap said:
I know it's not the case for all devs, but some of them make really good money doing this in their spare time.
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Trust me, 99,99% of us don't.

dspcap said:
I know it's not the case for all devs, but some of them make really good money doing this in their spare time.
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Any evidence to back up your claims?
Then define "really good money" as both a lump sum for say unlocking a boot loader and for payment per hour as that may mean something different to you than other people.
To be honest depending on how valuable your time is, it may be cheaper to purchase a EUR open LG G4...I'm tempted to do so and give my TWN version to my GF who wouldn't need things like root or unlocked boot loaders...but also need to see if it's worth it. Currently there is only one custom kernel, and I'm not that interested in that, and honestly that's the only thing I'd use the unlocked boot loader for.

Before this gets out of control, let me just say that none of the LG bootloaders on previous models were ever unlocked. The G2 was pretty popular and still has a locked bootloader. I haven't even heard of any recent LG devices to get unlocked bootloaders and very surprised that the G4 international variant even has this option.
So the question "why don't we have unlocked bootloaders" is an unrealitic question based on prior history.
The REAL question, would be "now that we have root, is there any discussion or development in having a custom recovery or bootloader bypass?"
I also want to ADD that NONE of the LOLLIPOP firmwares have been hacked (as far as I know). Both the G2 and G3 required to use a KitKat aboot partition setup that allowed us to install custom recoveries and such.

Personally, if I were a developer, I would delay the release a week for every one of these posts found for the phone Im unlocking the bootloader for.
Id even make a notice when a post like this would pop up, showing proof that Im delaying the unlocked bootloader release, just to piss off the impatient people, which, typically, are the ones least capable of doing it themselves.

megamanfre said:
Personally, if I were a developer, I would delay the release a week for every one of these posts found for the phone Im unlocking the bootloader for.
Id even make a notice when a post like this would pop up, showing proof that Im delaying the unlocked bootloader release, just to piss off the impatient people, which, typically, are the ones least capable of doing it themselves.
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HOW DO YOU KNOW MY NAME?! Are you some sort of wizard?!

megamanfre said:
HOW DO YOU KNOW MY NAME?! Are you some sort of wizard?!
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LOL

mythos234 said:
If you have the H815 EUR, that variant is unlockable officially
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Isn't the H811 unlockable too?

Developer Edition?

Any rumors about plans for a Note 7 DE?

I got the note 4 DE but sold it after a year cause I wanted to use the banking features and other stuff which even with root cloak it wouldn't work. I thought I would die without root as Ive had it on every phone ive ever had but its not so bad anymore. I just miss the customizations but its no big deal anymore.

I think the only benefits to root now are totally removing system apps and bloatware. Unless you're really into flashing or using a custom kernel, then it's not worth it.
You can remove ads with adguard, change your launcher to Nova and have it how you like, you can also block bloatware and system apps with certain apps as well.
While I do admit, for people that like to keep their phones for a long time, it's nice to be able to constantly update to the latest OS if you have a good community working on it, but I rarely keep phones past their end of update age. There was a time where I would refuse to buy a phone if it meant I couldn't root/flash a custom rom but I'm over that. Phones now have some great baked in features as is anyways, and it's worth it to keep them stock for me now. Just get anything that you know will be popular so it gets reliable updates.

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Any rumors about plans for a Note 7 DE?
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I believe that they have stopped doing developers editions. I remember they pulled like 70ish models down one day from the developers' edition section on their site and haven't put any more up since. Nobody really knows what they did with them or why they stopped.
I was planning on buying another Note 4 DE so I kept tabs on the amount that was in stock. I'm guessing they will never have another DE model. I hope I'm wrong though.

Note 7 Dev
yearn2burn said:
Any rumors about plans for a Note 7 DE?
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Samsung said there will be a Dev version. Just have no release date.

Press Buttons said:
Samsung said there will be a Dev version. Just have no release date.
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Where did they say that?

jal3223 said:
Where did they say that?
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It's A secret

Press Buttons said:
It's A secret
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I hope you're right, but I doubt it. Like I said before, they pulled like 70ish Developer's edition Note 4s off the shelf abruptly and haven't had one since. They also skipped the Note 5. I just can't see them jumping back in that boat. Hope I'm wrong though.

jal3223 said:
I hope you're right, but I doubt it. Like I said before, they pulled like 70ish Developer's edition Note 4s off the shelf abruptly and haven't had one since. They also skipped the Note 5. I just can't see them jumping back in that boat. Hope I'm wrong though.
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For some reason i can't upload a picture to show you.

Press Buttons said:
For some reason i can't upload a picture to show you.
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I think it is because you are a new user. PM it to me and I will post it for you.

Any more word on this?

don't get your hopes up guys, "press buttons" is just pressing your buttons.