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I've been reading about how lower MP can actually mean better low light performance and this camera may just beat the 8MP competition. Zero-shutter lag being really awesome too.
But then looking at the photos taken with it by an Android developer...
https://plus.google.com/photos/107606703558161507946/albums/5669407328146570481
Where is this awesome quality? Those pictures look no better than what my Galaxy S takes.
Not only is this outclassed by the 8MP camera in the S2 and iPhone 4S, it may be outclassed by the old 5MP Galaxy/Nexus S.
Those photos seem to have more noise and odd colour compared to photos from my Galaxy S.
Low light photos look like they might be better, but overall these don't look good.
I don't know how people manage to compare image quality between different phone cameras - they all look equally terrible to me.
Not sure how you can make a quality call based on 1 phone and 1 person operating.
How can you tell without having side by side shots of the same scenes at the same time with 2 or 3 different devices?
I find it extremely hard to believe that the Galaxy Nexus would have the same camera performance as the Nexus S.
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How can you tell without having side by side shots of the same scenes at the same time with 2 or 3 different devices?
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Do you need to put a Mini and a bus side by side to tell which is bigger?
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Do you need to put a Mini and a bus side by side to tell which is bigger?
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How is that comparison even remotely similar? Size difference can be seen in anything but pitch black.
Would you be able to determine if the Mini and the bus were the exact same color (exact nuance) in completely different light? No, probably not and even then you are basically cheating because your brain will adjust the colors you see based on what it "knows" other things should look like.
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Do you need to put a Mini and a bus side by side to tell which is bigger?
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That only works because the size of a Mini and a bus are known values (relatively). The quality of this camera is not a known value, and because of that you can't make an accurate comparison.
By this analogy, you're saying that you can look at a photo of one car, and immediately tell me if its the same as another car you've never seen...
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How is that comparison even remotely similar? Size difference can be seen in anything but pitch black.
Would you be able to determine if the Mini and the bus were the exact same color (exact nuance) in completely different light? No, probably not and even then you are basically cheating because your brain will adjust the colors you see based on what it "knows" other things should look like.
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This
People love to jump to conclusions that its a bad camera because its 5MP, and then from that initial point, they simply assume everything it does is terrible. I wonder how the tables would be turned if it were a low quality 12MP camera, and every picture it took was sh*t but everyone just said it was amazing. People see what they want to see.
Just wait until the galaxy nexus comes out, and then you'll see the true power of the 5mp camera they put in it. It will be a great shooter.
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Seriously? Its a phone, not a dedicated camera. If you don't like it don't get the phone.
Punched in..
It really does not look very good. I hope that it is not final version of nexus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dPe3lsoVQA
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I don't know how people manage to compare image quality between different phone cameras - they all look equally terrible to me.
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I agree. Phone cameras arent like absolute trash terrible but they're all so equally bad thats its incredibly hard to tell the difference.
Between the click of the light and the start of a dream.
hrcro said:
It really does not look very good. I hope that it is not final version of nexus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dPe3lsoVQA
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And you're judging that video what about this video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhlL-ys5iOA
So you see we have two totally different videos. Which one should we believe now?
I recommend wait until it's out and test it if possible or trust your preferd reviewer when he did his job with the Nexus.
The only photos I've seen are of a shipping dock. Hard to make that look good.
I am not judging. I am shareing what I found. Video that I posted was shot in "realistic" environment, another one is heavily modified. Anyway, there is no need to be nervous or judgemental.
I agree that we should wait and see how retail model performes.
Lets judging when phone is out
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I am not judging. I am shareing what I found. Video that I posted was shot in "realistic" environment, another one is heavily modified. Anyway, there is no need to be nervous or judgemental.
I agree that we should wait and see how retail model performes.
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That's what the filmer says to the video.
The only processing done on the original footage was to speed it up in the first clip.
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The video clips were shot without the help of a tripod and shake a little bit. The time-lapse clips were shot using a Stage Zero Dolly from Dynamic Perception
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So it was as well made under "realistic" circumstances. Expect from the first part. But he is a Android dev so who knows if it's true or not.
I didn't really pay much attention to the camera on the Galaxy Nexus as it seems good enough. The Engadget comparisons sometimes show it on par with the Nexus S, sometimes a little worse. What I'm more interested in is the 1080p video, which looks a whole lot better than anything else on the market (I've seen a dozen videos from different places already) and even better than the Galaxy S II. The audio capture, another sadly ignored pivotal part of video recording, is quite stellar. It really irks me when all the reviewers tout the earsplitting garble of sound on HTC phones as first-class because they look at the 44khz stereo spec and somehow ignore the actual sound, which is really terrible. I would love to get a unibody HTC phone, but this has been their achilles heel for me, and their video capture as a whole.
You can't deny that the camera on a phone is important, is a very very big selling point, and many people do make their buying decisions on the phone's ability to replace a dedicated point-and-shoot camera, and many phones are at that level right now. If you are too enamored with DSLR quality photos, you might not notice that camera quality in phones has jumped up leaps and bounds, regardless of MP. My five megapixel Samsung slider I bought 4 years ago is worse than your typical 5 megapixel budget smartphone camera. It's also 50% fatter and super slow. The software and processing, backlight sensors, wide angles, apertures, and other fancy stuff have improved drastically over the years. 1080p video is leaps and bounds above the QCIF stuff only a few years back.
Um, am I alone in thinking those pictures look just dandy? It's a phone. I'm not taking artistic photos, as long as they're clear and sharp (which those are) then there's no issue.
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Um, am I alone in thinking those pictures look just dandy? It's a phone. I'm not taking artistic photos, as long as they're clear and sharp (which those are) then there's no issue.
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+1 on that. And Most of the pictures where shaky und unsharp but that's due to the user and not to the camera. The pictures which were sharp however are okay and look totally fine for a phone.
have we all really forgotten about the fact that if you upload a picture to most websites, the picture becomes compressed?
being a car enthusiast like others here apparently, this is like comparing the same car on the same track with the same driver.. except one lap is in the rain and one lap is in the dry. of course results will be different!
For everyone who is complaining about the quality of the camera, I don't see what you're basing your judgement on. First, admit right now that all cell phone cameras take crap pictures! It's simple physics. Your point and shoot camera is only marginally better. More to the point, the limited samples I have seen would appear on par with other current devices. But without a comprehensive side by side comparison of the Galaxy Nexus to the 4s (or others) either qualitatively or quantitatively in a controlled environment, you just can't tell much. Shooting video of the sun and then the ground demonstrates very little especially when the comparison video is un-synced and crammed into a small PIP box.
Seems some are having a knee jerk reaction to not getting all 8 megapixels. Unless you are printing 8x10s, it doesn't really matter. If you are, get a DSLR! A good quality lower resolution camera can easily spank a cheaper higher resolution camera. The glass plays a huge role. As do chromatic aberration, exposure, latitude, color balance, sensitivity, focus, speed, image stabilization, noise reduction, white balance and so on. And don't even get me started on compression.
Hello, i bought a new Arc S. I found, that camera produces really low quality pictures. Is there any way to improve compression? I heard, that CM has a improved quality camera.
Thank you
Hello there
Unfortunately, there is currently no option available to improve the crappy quality of the camera output (compression).
Neither CM7 nor MIUI have any significant improvement in this area.
Are you sure you bought an arc because my arc takes good pics but it isn't an arc s but I find this hard to believe maybe your only taking pictures in the dark ?
Check your settings. Some phones have the camera set to poor quality from start.
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I've bought an Xperia Arc S too about a month ago, but in my opinion the camera is fantastic! Maybe you have to set the camera in high quality. My camera was also standard at 2 MP 16:9. Now I'm using 6 MP 16:9 and the pictures are great, even in the dark.
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Check your settings. Some phones have the camera set to poor quality from start.
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Resolution is already set to 8Mpixels.
Which other settings could I check?
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Resolution is already set to 8Mpixels.
Which other settings could I check?
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I'd recommend 6 MP, because it has a 16:9 instead of a 4:3 format.
Mine works awesome with 8MP...
Could you post a pic made by your cam?
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I would also recommend you post the picture you have taken, x10 and arc are best known as their 8M camera, they should be able to take impressive picture compared to all the phone available back then and even able to compete among all phones on the market to date
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I don't understand people who say Arc camera is crappy.
It's the best I've ever used in a mobile phone to date.
It can't be compared to my compact camera but it's a phone after all
and the results are more than decent for quick shots.
I don't say my arc is perfect but It's not really that bad in taking picture .
I'm ok with it ...
Using 6MP 16:9,
maybe Your lens is dirty ! clean it if it's needed.
arc is one of the best camera phones out there.if not the best.
Best camera 2011/2012, it won that price
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The camera is great - no 2 opinions about that.
But after I downgraded from .62 to .42 with data&system wipe, because of the root, my phone started to take really low quality pics in low light - identical conditions, the same camera settings, but now pics appear with a great level of noise, nomatter how I adjust the settings. On videos also. This is my second time downgrading from 62, the first time without wipe - everything was OK, but now I think smthing must have gone wrong - lots of noise and heavy purple dots...
Any ideas how to fix that, cause I really miss the good low light pics - one of the reasons I bought it.
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I don't understand people who say Arc camera is crappy.
It's the best I've ever used in a mobile phone to date.
It can't be compared to my compact camera but it's a phone after all
and the results are more than decent for quick shots.
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Maybe some users are expecting a miracle out of arc's camera (e.g. comparing the pictures against DSLRs' large sensor and lens)
Its great for casual shots and videos imo.
It even won an EISA award.
The camera is great, the software is horrible. MIUI and CM7 support to change the jpg compression, which the stock ROM doesn't. The jpg compression sadly ****s up everything and destroys the overall quality of the shots.
I find the quality of the arc's shots to be great, I don't understand why so many people complain. Yes the output file is pretty small for an 8MP resolution photo because its been compressed to ****, but I don't really notice this, even when plugging into my 42" TV it still looks great (until you start to zoom in) Take a range of shots, when shooting in darkness you will find a decent amount of noise but this is just the Exmor-r working wonders - without it, you'd find you'd just have a very dark picture.
Like many people already said, I'm totally happy with the picture's quality of my ARC, especially on 6MP 16:9. I love the colors, the tones, the clarity.. I'm sure that Sony (still SE for me ) will improve a little about JPEG compression in next ICS release..
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I don't understand people who say Arc camera is crappy.
It's the best I've ever used in a mobile phone to date.
It can't be compared to my compact camera but it's a phone after all
and the results are more than decent for quick shots.
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Exactly. Only my old Nokia N95 comes close, but that also was a little sony carl zeiss optic if i recall correctly.
Arc S camera is crappy.
I know it, because i used a Samsung mobile for a long time before Arc S, to take more than 4K pcs photos, so i can compare them.
It makes a lot of color noise under low light conditions of scenes.
Even a bit better when the light is enough, but then it makes white burned photos
The objective is distorted (fish eye aka barell), and also makes color noises in its corners.
The video record of this mobile is blurred, shaked, in low light condition makes color noises too.
You have to use Noiseware, or similar software to remove unwanted color noises from photos which are dotted by Xperia Arc /s
I don't know what is the meaning of the Exmore r, because i can't find a reason, maybe it' s only a commercial thingy
Sorry for my bad english.
What's everyone's experiences with the Z1 compact's camera/camcorder in lowlight?
Curious about club and concert type enivironments...
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Curious about club and concert type enivironments...
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automatic mode, flash off (to avoid any bleeding as described elsewhere), thumbnails are linked to the original files
Oh my these are amazing.
Did you have trouble focussing at all? I found that with my Nexus 5, the camera couldn't focus for **** in low light, and because of that, I had to snap multiples to get a good shot.
One last thing, how was audio recording on the camcorder? Just wondering if the bass is also crackly.
No problems with the focus, light was apparently bright enough.
And the video sound came out quite crackly as expected - smartphone mics are not designed for these peaks. And believe me, it was LOUD.
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Amazing indeed, I have got to try some nighttime shots one of these days.
Nice shots. I'm really a bit worried about low light photos especially when the flash bleed issue was discovered. I know that smartphones were never really meant for low light photography (for now). Looks like a Z1 Compact will be a good back up during concerts when my zoom camera runs out of memory or battery - decent low light performance + good digital zoom.
My Nexus 4 is almost useless on night outs and concerts - occasions that I take pictures most and very seldom bother to bring a proper cam.
Shared your post to the photography thread.
Considering it is a 2017 device, can we expect the camera quality to be at par with the new fad of "dual" lens? I don't mean the effects...I mean the resolution and clarity.
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Considering it is a 2017 device, can we expect the camera quality to be at par with the new fad of "dual" lens? I don't mean the effects...I mean the resolution and clarity.
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I wasn't very pleased with the camera. The quality is just fine but more megapixels doesn't always mean a better picture. Low light always seems to render images or videos with a red or orange hue. Any zooming and the pictures get way too noisey. In the right light I've taken some great shots. Another thing to look out for is movement and facial tracking. If your subject isn't perfectly still, having facial tracking for focus seriously hinders the shutter speed so I find it best to turn it off when taking pictures of parties and kids and things that are moving.
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I wasn't very pleased with the camera. The quality is just fine but more megapixels doesn't always mean a better picture. Low light always seems to render images or videos with a red or orange hue. Any zooming and the pictures get way too noisey. In the right light I've taken some great shots. Another thing to look out for is movement and facial tracking. If your subject isn't perfectly still, having facial tracking for focus seriously hinders the shutter speed so I find it best to turn it off when taking pictures of parties and kids and things that are moving.
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Hmmm..over the weekend... I played with the device on display at some store. Wasn't very happy with the speed and performance. Didn't feel like a 2017 device. My 3 year old Nexus 6 is faster lol.. So..don't think I would be buying one (not at this price at least).
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Hmmm..over the weekend... I played with the device on display at some store. Wasn't very happy with the speed and performance. Didn't feel like a 2017 device. My 3 year old Nexus 6 is faster lol.. So..don't think I would be buying one (not at this price at least).
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The speed of the phone has nothing to do with the image quality of the camera....
Like jaybles, I also struggle with the camera quality and are having the same red, purple noisy tint in very Low Light in Manual Mode, but also it can be a struggle to take steady shots in Manual Mode in daylight.. However, thanks to the Newer updated imaging algorithm found in the XZ1 and XZP which from what Ive read, SONY have used in the XA1U... it functions really great in Auto Mode, so SONY phones can now be used as great Point and Shoots.. and we no longer have to struggle anymore with ISO, WB and Metreing.
Ive found that by setting the camera to 12MPX in Manual Mode... gives great shots... 20 and 23MPx modes give camera shake and poor image quality in Manual Mode..
Have been hearing mostly bad things about this device since it's release but just watched this review from Flossy Carter who says this is the best mid range phone out there.
I've been looking for a device that has all this phone has,
Interested to know your opinions,
Is this similar to your experiences ?
Link to review:
manus31 said:
Have been hearing mostly bad things about this device since it's release but just watched this review from Flossy Carter who says this is the best mid range phone out there.
I've been looking for a device that has all this phone has,
Interested to know your opinions,
Is this similar to your experiences ?
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It is the best midrange phone. Here are my pros and cons:
PROS:
1) Absolutely gorgeous 6.7" AMOLED screen. So sharp, vivid and bright with superb inky blacks. Bezels are so slim giving the phone a sleek immersive design.
2) Performance is superb. SD675 with One UI is fantastic. Everything is so smooth and lag free and it runs every game with high graphics and zero lag.
3) Battery life is excellent. I'm getting 10 hours screen on time. The 25w fast charger is amazing, it takes only 1 hour 15 minutes to get a full charge.
4) Audio quality through headphones is superb, clean and loud, with dolby atmos supported. In ear headphones which come supplied in the box are very good.
5) Complete package: NFC, Samsung Pay, Always On Display, Navigation Gestures, Dark mode etc.
CONS:
1) Camera low light performance is poor. But this can be fixed with Gcam's Night Mode. Video quality is average and lacks stablization making footage almost unusable. (Can be improved with software update)
2) On screen fingerprint scanner is slow and inaccurate (can be improved with software update)
3) Face Unlock is fast and accurate but it works even with closed eyes (can be fixed with software update)
3) Front panel has Gorilla Glass 3 protection only. At this price point you would expect atleast Gorilla Glass 5. Back panel and frame are plastic but they feel good in the hand nevertheless.
4) No stereo speakers. Speakers audio output is OK, could have been better.
5) 20:1 aspect ratio is a stupid decision from Samsung. Most videos have big black bars on both sides. You need to zoom in to make them full screen which sucks big time.
In general use, as a navigation aid, browsing, music, watching video and making the odd call it is a very good phone. Having used it a couple of weeks I don't regret buying it. Battery has been very good which is one of the main reasons I got it. I haven't had to test the fast charging because it has easily lasted the day, every day.
I don't find the fingerprint that problematic and use it as the only method to unlock the phone except when a password is a required on reboot. I can understand why some are frustrated with it but with a bit of work and practice it works well for me in a second or under 95% of the time and works second or third time on other occasions. It never causes me more than a few seconds pause. A firmware update is apparently on the way to improve it further.
I only use the camera for the odd snap when out and about and it seems fine but I didn't buy it as a video cam or for low light photos and have never used it as such.
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It is the best midrange phone. Here are my pros and cons:
PROS:
1) Absolutely gorgeous 6.7" AMOLED screen. So sharp, vivid and bright with superb inky blacks. Bezels are so slim giving the phone a sleek immersive design.
2) Performance is superb. SD675 with One UI is fantastic. Everything is so smooth and lag free and it runs every game with high graphics and zero lag.
3) Battery life is excellent. I'm getting 10 hours screen on time. The 25w fast charger is amazing, it takes only 1 hour 15 minutes to get a full charge.
4) Audio quality through headphones is superb, clean and loud, with dolby atmos supported. In ear headphones which come supplied in the box are very good.
5) Complete package: NFC, Samsung Pay, Always On Display, Navigation Gestures, Dark mode etc.
CONS:
1) Camera low light performance is poor. But this can be fixed with Gcam's Night Mode. Video quality is average and lacks stablization making footage almost unusable. (Can be improved with software update)
2) On screen fingerprint scanner is slow and inaccurate (can be improved with software update)
3) Face Unlock is fast and accurate but it works even with closed eyes (can be fixed with software update)
3) Front panel has Gorilla Glass 3 protection only. At this price point you would expect atleast Gorilla Glass 5. Back panel and frame are plastic but they feel good in the hand nevertheless.
4) No stereo speakers. Speakers audio output is OK, could have been better.
5) 20:1 aspect ratio is a stupid decision from Samsung. Most videos have big black bars on both sides. You need to zoom in to make them full screen which sucks big time.
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Thanks for the reply,good list there and pretty much what Id expect.i was quite impressed watching the flossy Carter review, especially with the camera,seems to be some EIS stabilisation for certain video modes. The fingerprint seems to be an annoyance,. Not do much a problem with face unlock.Gorilla glass 3 is bot of a bummer also
I hear there is an A70s coming in the second part of the year,complete with the world's first 64mp camera on a phone,
Might be worth waiting for
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Thanks for the reply,good list there and pretty much what Id expect.i was quite impressed watching the flossy Carter review, especially with the camera,seems to be some EIS stabilisation for certain video modes. The fingerprint seems to be an annoyance,. Not do much a problem with face unlock.Gorilla glass 3 is bot of a bummer also
I hear there is an A70s coming in the second part of the year,complete with the world's first 64mp camera on a phone,
Might be worth waiting for
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I read it in the news today, hope there will be other improvements other than the 64mp camera.
The upcoming Xiaomi K20 looks very promising, with smaller screen and battery though. I'm waiting for the Xiaomi Mi Max 4, a real multimedia monster. If they stick to LCD it's a no buy for me.
That review is great, "from zero to ten this phone is a major go" lmao
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That review is great, "from zero to ten this phone is a major go" lmao
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He does good reviews, I think the amount of majors before the go is relevant to how good the phone is.i think he gave this one 3 majors,not sure.would need to watch it again
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He does good reviews, I think the amount of majors before the go is relevant to how good the phone is.i think he gave this one 3 majors,not sure.would need to watch it again
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Shout out to white shoes lol
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Seriously he should do a review on white shoes
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Seriously he should do a review on white shoes
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White shoes is a major, major go
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Have to laugh every very time he picks up a phone and says feels good in the hands,
"Ladies you know the procedures"
If a70 is a good phone by any reviewer then they have not considered some of the features which should be present at this price point.
If this is a good phone, then any phone in this price should stand good.
Major cons are
Speakers sound is very low. Have to be 80% or more. it is not loud at all.
6.7 Inch screen is good for nothing.
Type c is only for charging and no additional features.
Camera quality, it is better if we don't talk much on it.
Slow motion and super slow motion are useless.
They are just for marketing and not for use.
6.7 inch screen is great for games as you still have plenty of screen left in middle while your thumbs cover the edges, it's also great for movies it's almost the exact ratio for them
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