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Hi, does anybody know if the Gratia and Aria covers are interchangeable?
My wife has an Aria and is happy with it. I was thinking of getting a Gratia, but swapping cases so that she can have a white one on her Aria.
Given the antenna is in the cover and the phones are for different markets I wondering if the antennae might be different? Does anyone know for sure if they are interchangeable?
Thanks
I'm not 100% positive the covers are interchangeable, but I think they are. However, they aren't both compatible with the same wireless networks. You can use them both, but the Gratia won't be 3G in the U.S. because it utilizes different frequencies. It will still get data, but it will be at EDGE speeds.
Yes I realise the phones are for different markets and operate at different frequencies but I'm wondering if that means the antennae are actually different.
I noticed Expansys USA has the Gratia cover listed under accessories for the Aria,
But then what they quote for the Gratia "Mfr Part #:" is 74H01655-11M, whereas HD-Mini is 74H01655-02M (nothing listed for Aria, but I think it is also 74H01655-02M)
I'm only really interested in data in the UK on both devices, as I prefer not to pay bucket loads to the phone company when roaming, but my wife wants a white phone!
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Doesn't the antenna just collect the signal? Surely whether it will work on a particular frequency is determined by the radio hardware in the device?
I'm just thinking - an antenna is an antenna isn't it? Same way you can use a coat hanger to pick up FM or even TV transmissions, it's all just about capturing the radio waves right?
I could be miles off base here but I honestly would have thought that the antenna that's built in to the back cover would NOT be specific to a particular GSM frequency.
Would love to know for sure though.
woodbane said:
Doesn't the antenna just collect the signal? Surely whether it will work on a particular frequency is determined by the radio hardware in the device?
I'm just thinking - an antenna is an antenna isn't it? Same way you can use a coat hanger to pick up FM or even TV transmissions, it's all just about capturing the radio waves right?
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AFAIK, right. If the contacts are in the same place the cover should work quite well.
woodbane said:
Doesn't the antenna just collect the signal? Surely whether it will work on a particular frequency is determined by the radio hardware in the device?
I'm just thinking - an antenna is an antenna isn't it? Same way you can use a coat hanger to pick up FM or even TV transmissions, it's all just about capturing the radio waves right?
I could be miles off base here but I honestly would have thought that the antenna that's built in to the back cover would NOT be specific to a particular GSM frequency.
Would love to know for sure though.
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That's technically not true - GSM antennae are most certainly tuned for particular frequencies - if you look online, you'll see different ones with different specifications, like 850 thru 900, or 1800 or 1900. However, through some trickery, a single antenna can be tuned for more than one frequency at a time.
That being said, I have no idea what the antenna in the back of the Aria or Gratia are tuned for - it's possible they might be dual band specific to the carrier (ATT 850/1900 or Euro 900/2100) or it might be a universal one capable of picking up all 4 or more frequencies.
I'd say best bet is to get one of the other ones, try it out and see. And let us know - I'd considered getting a green one for use in the US...
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That's technically not true - GSM antennae are most certainly tuned for particular frequencies - if you look online, you'll see different ones with different specifications, like 850 thru 900, or 1800 or 1900. However, through some trickery, a single antenna can be tuned for more than one frequency at a time.
That being said, I have no idea what the antenna in the back of the Aria or Gratia are tuned for - it's possible they might be dual band specific to the carrier (ATT 850/1900 or Euro 900/2100) or it might be a universal one capable of picking up all 4 or more frequencies.
I'd say best bet is to get one of the other ones, try it out and see. And let us know - I'd considered getting a green one for use in the US...
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I hear what you are saying but I think people are confusing the antenna with the GSM radio built in to the phone.
Whether a phone utilizes 850/1900 or 1900/2100 bands would surely be a funtion of the radio in the phone that is hard coded to those frequencies.
Isn't an antenna just "fishing net' that actually gathers the signal?
Again, could be miles off base here, just applying my own brand of common sense.
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Doesn't the antenna just collect the signal? Surely whether it will work on a particular frequency is determined by the radio hardware in the device?
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It really depends on how the antenna was designed. Resonant frequencies are generally a factor...so antenna length could matter. Polarization and radiation patterns are also taken into consideration.
That said, until one has both covers (or finds some internal design docs), it's hard to know if there is any difference.
woodbane said:
I hear what you are saying but I think people are confusing the antenna with the GSM radio built in to the phone.
Whether a phone utilizes 850/1900 or 1900/2100 bands would surely be a funtion of the radio in the phone that is hard coded to those frequencies.
Isn't an antenna just "fishing net' that actually gathers the signal?
Again, could be miles off base here, just applying my own brand of common sense.
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Unfortunately, common sense doesn't really apply when it comes to signal theory.
I'm not an expert by any means, but from what I remember from a signals course I took a few years ago in college, johdaxx's and M1m3R's posts are both spot on.
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That's technically not true - GSM antennae are most certainly tuned for particular frequencies
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Both the Aria and the Gratia work for the 4 bands of GSM, so there's really no problem if such tunning was a factor to consider.
The quality of HTC Support on this was really quite shocking, e.g.
Thank you for contacting HTC regarding the swapping of Back cover. In short to your email. Yes buy [sic] swapping the back plate can have effect on the device's perfomance. Which is why we recommend original products. Mohammed - UK Ireland Support (Tech)
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When challenged he came back with:
"It does not matter which cover goes on because the real difference is the internal components."
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Then...
"I can confirm that the back cover is just a bit of plastic. If the connectors will allow you to plug the new back cover in then it will work." Jason [UK - Ireland Support (Tech)
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When I pointed out there were some metal contacts...
"Those connectors are there so that the phone knows that the back cover is on the phone. It has nothing to do with the signal as the antennas are up the top of the phone. "
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I pointed out HTC's own support website says: "the antenna for the HTC Aria ™ is located in the battery cover."
"There is nothing more we can do, as we will be going in circles regarding this matter." Mohammed (again)
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The quality of HTC Support on this was really quite shocking, e.g.
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idk man, for me that's the typical quality. I dont expect any help from any large company. For example ask any carrier's seller about batteries, they all gonna say you should fully discharge it before charging, like the old batteries. They know nothing.
But, again, both phones uses the same gsm radio freq. The only real change in hardware is the umts radio freq and I'm pretty sure the covers doesnt change cause of that. Hell, every GSM phone has a different antenna solution and they all work with the same quad band freqs
OK Back to to casing now where can u buy a white back for the HTC Aria and know that it'll work, I would love to have a white back on my Aria...
I would love to get a fluorescent green one.....
Well heres the story suddenly my phne stopped using 3G,H networks and only works with GPRS or Edge. The phones logs into te 3G network and 2 seconds later it gets kicked out of the network leaving the phone logged out competely and then I can onlly manualy switch it to use 2G networks only to get the signal back. ANyway heres what i tried to fix the issue so far, I tried my sim card in the other phone and it works fine on both 2G and 3G networks, I inserted a sim card from different provider to my phone still no 3G network, I tried two different radios and finally I flashed my old winmo rom and well same issue.
Im prety much clueless atm what could cause the problem...it sems like a hardware issue so do these phones have separate gsm modules for 2G and 3G?
Ok found my answer
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=335074&page=18
Looks like most of first batch of Kaisers suffered with this issue...oh well 3,5 half years of use is not bad anyway....3G is gone and apperently 2G module should follow soon...time to look for another phone.
Not a bad run for a 5 yr old phone. I have 2 of them, one for daily use and one for testing. They're definitely not expensive to buy or fix (11 bucks for a screen/touchscreen assembly off ebay).
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Slide a thick piece of paper between your simcard's back and cover. did you get any change?
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Slide a thick piece of paper between your simcard's back and cover. did you get any change?
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Thanks for the tip but it didn't work. Its definitely a hardware issue.Seems like my gsm module is slowly dying on me.
I have had similar issues, sometimes getting kicked off the network, or consistantly the phone would drop calls after about 30 sec or so (consistently i could talk for 30 sec or so and then the phone would drop the call) I also had issues with sometimes not detecting the sim. I disassembled and reassembled the phone and it would start working again. This last time it has been running well after this for a good 6 months or so. I love this phone as for me so far it has been really solid.
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Thanks for the tip but it didn't work. Its definitely a hardware issue.Seems like my gsm module is slowly dying on me.
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There is a device known as re-heater, often available at mobile phone repair centres. Get the TI chip, the smaller Qualcomm chip and the GSM/GPS chip (at the back side of mainboard) reheated. There is something bad with the reflow of solder in the PCB.
I was recently gifted a Note 2, which is awesome and I love it, but I feel it's a shame for such a nice phone to be stuck on edge, even with Tmobile's refarming (laaaaaame). Everything I can find on Google says that it's a hardware limitation, not firmware. So I wonder, what if I swapped out the radios?
I'm aware that such a feat would require replacing the entire motherboard. If I buy a T889 motherboard and put it in my phone, what kind of issues would I run into, if any? I would have to flash firmwares and radios and such- would going to the Tmobile Note 2 board and flashing everything stock that I find over there be sufficient? Any IMEI issues that I would run into? Would my phone now be considered a SGH-T889?
No, returning/reselling and buying the T889 isn't an option. It's too much effort for uncertain risks for something I don't care all that much about. I'd be open to a trade, but it would have to be an exact counterpart to my own (unlocked, titanium gray, screen protector from new, great condition). I'm sure trading is much easier, but modding sounds much more fun.
Even if I do the mod, it won't be right away, as motherboards are rather scarce and the prices are higher than I'm willing to pay.
Not sure if it matters, but my note 2 is stock rooted and my efs partition is backed up.
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I was recently gifted a Note 2, which is awesome and I love it, but I feel it's a shame for such a nice phone to be stuck on edge, even with Tmobile's refarming (laaaaaame). Everything I can find on Google says that it's a hardware limitation, not firmware. So I wonder, what if I swapped out the radios?
I'm aware that such a feat would require replacing the entire motherboard. If I buy a T889 motherboard and put it in my phone, what kind of issues would I run into, if any? I would have to flash firmwares and radios and such- would going to the Tmobile Note 2 board and flashing everything stock that I find over there be sufficient? Any IMEI issues that I would run into? Would my phone now be considered a SGH-T889?
No, returning/reselling and buying the T889 isn't an option. It's too much effort for uncertain risks for something I don't care all that much about. I'd be open to a trade, but it would have to be an exact counterpart to my own (unlocked, titanium gray, screen protector from new, great condition). I'm sure trading is much easier, but modding sounds much more fun.
Even if I do the mod, it won't be right away, as motherboards are rather scarce and the prices are higher than I'm willing to pay.
Not sure if it matters, but my note 2 is stock rooted and my efs partition is backed up.
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1. research/check on the LTE frequency bands t mobile uses then go check for example at gsmarena.com if the N7105 supports those bands by checking it's technical specifications
2. in the mean time you can try this.. go to SETTINGS then MORE SETTINGS then MOBILE WIRELESS change your NETWORK MODE to LTE/GSM/WCDMA AUTO
if this doesn't work and t mobile runs in an LTE frequency band supported by your handset it could also mean you need to upgrade/replace your SIM card .....same number but the new chip has LTE features inside it..it's possible
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1. research/check on the LTE frequency bands t mobile uses then go check for example at gsmarena.com if the N7105 supports those bands by checking it's technical specifications
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I've done my research on this. Tmobile uses AWS, which the n7105 doesn't support. Tmobile is refarming some of their 1900Mhz to free up frequencies for LTE, which the n7105 does support, but I'm not getting 3G speeds in those areas at all. I've seen around these boards that I'm not the only one to do so.
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2. in the mean time you can try this.. go to SETTINGS then MORE SETTINGS then MOBILE WIRELESS change your NETWORK MODE to LTE/GSM/WCDMA AUTO
if this doesn't work and t mobile runs in an LTE frequency band supported by your handset it could also mean you need to upgrade/replace your SIM card .....same number but the new chip has LTE features inside it..it's possible
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As I said before, my research indicates that it's a radio hardware issue, not firmware. There are posts on how to get AT&T/Verizon/Sprint/Tmobile versions to work on each other's networks, but not much on getting international versions to fully support LTE in the US. Besides, I get 4G just fine in my old G2.
Which brings me to my original question- what issues would I run into should I do a motherboard swap?
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I've done my research on this. Tmobile uses AWS, which the n7105 doesn't support. Tmobile is refarming some of their 1900Mhz to free up frequencies for LTE, which the n7105 does support, but I'm not getting 3G speeds in those areas at all. I've seen around these boards that I'm not the only one to do so.
As I said before, my research indicates that it's a radio hardware issue, not firmware. There are posts on how to get AT&T/Verizon/Sprint/Tmobile versions to work on each other's networks, but not much on getting international versions to fully support LTE in the US. Besides, I get 4G just fine in my old G2.
Which brings me to my original question- what issues would I run into should I do a motherboard swap?
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I have seen my note II bring opened up and I have seen a video of a N7100 being open up...they are virtually identical to me atleast.... I saw all the complex/circuitry /smart chips were all on one board like RAM, CPU including the radio...Obb the motherboard..most things if not all which connect to the motherboard are dumb circuits like there was a small board which holds the charging port and Mic and that board has a cable to connect to the main mother board...which I'm pretty sure it's dumb.no advanced circuitry...the 3.5 mm Jack port same thing, the antennas are just cables nothing smart on that, the LCD had a one cable I believed just connecting to the mother board...I personally, only my opinion there could even be a good chance somebody could even switch a note II motherboard and force into a note I so if you want to change mother boards between note II variants I think you could be successful...but again..I could be wrong...see some note II tear downs on YouTube between note II variants..and do the judging by yourself
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Hello. I have an unlocked i9195 on CM13 official. I currently live in the north of England, and I use the network called giffgaff (O2). I would like to know if any baseband would do or there are specific ones for these circumstances, like os version, location, network. I have bad signal most of the time. LTE does not work 98% of times, WCDMA around 50% and GSM works almost always. Any suggestions are welcome.
Thanks for your attention.
i am also on Giffgaff in the midlands. i9195LTE
running TWRP 3.0.3.0 , AOKP official rom 20170202 , remix N v0.6 kernel.
baseband I9195XXUCPI1.tar.MD5 [Vodaphone] latest for this phone ( i believe). from sammobile/firmware ( saw thread here XDA about updating Baseband)
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Hello. I have an unlocked i9195 on CM13 official. I currently live in the north of England, and I use the network called giffgaff (O2). I would like to know if any baseband would do or there are specific ones for these circumstances, like os version, location, network. I have bad signal most of the time. LTE does not work 98% of times, WCDMA around 50% and GSM works almost always. Any suggestions are welcome.
Thanks for your attention.
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I have the latest BTU version of the baseband installed it's from around 2015 been working fine here.
Its probably a coverage issue I recommended trying other carriers to find out which suits your needs best.
I myself am using unlimited data plan on Three, works wonders.
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justdlnow said:
Hello. I have an unlocked i9195 on CM13 official. I currently live in the north of England, and I use the network called giffgaff (O2). I would like to know if any baseband would do or there are specific ones for these circumstances, like os version, location, network. I have bad signal most of the time. LTE does not work 98% of times, WCDMA around 50% and GSM works almost always. Any suggestions are welcome.
Thanks for your attention.
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Any should work, though generally it's recommended you keep your ROM and baseband to a similar release date, especially if you are having issues. Are you still on the original baseband?
You should be getting good converge on O2 or are you in a remote hilly area or near some other source of interference?
Else it could be hardware eg damaged component or poor grounding of aerial or pcb to phone ground plane. (cleaning contacts and/or tightening screws may help)
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Any should work, though generally it's recommended you keep your ROM and baseband to a similar release date, especially if you are having issues. Are you still on the original baseband?
You should be getting good converge on O2 or are you in a remote hilly area or near some other source of interference?
Else it could be hardware eg damaged component or poor grounding of aerial or pcb to phone ground plane. (cleaning contacts and/or tightening screws may help)
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No I am not on the original baseband. I9195XXUCPE1 currently. Regarding the coverage, I checked on their website and the area its pretty well covered for 4G reception, nonetheless I believe there is probably something wrong with the phone itself, I will probably just give up on this phone and spare myself some days of calamity.
Anyways thanks for your reply.
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No I am not on the original baseband. I9195XXUCPE1 currently. Regarding the coverage, I checked on their website and the area its pretty well covered for 4G reception, nonetheless I believe there is probably something wrong with the phone itself, I will probably just give up on this phone and spare myself some days of calamity.
Anyways thanks for your reply.
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yes, sounds likely that it is hardware. A quick test you could do is pop the back cover off and connect a small wire to the test connector (at bottom level with the speaker) bypassing the actual antenna, if your signal strength improves then it is proof it is your antenna circuit where the problem is or the contacts.
You can also test by pressing down where the "touch" connectors are., see vid, sometimes it improves reception showing it's a bad connection with contacts.
This is often easily fixed by removing the inner cover & cleaning the contacts or applying a little more pressure to them with a little piece of plastic between them and the cover.
You can see from this video that the antenna are simply a "touch" connection to the main assembly.
about 2mins into the vid
should be a cheap fix at a repair shop if you don't fancy trying it yourself, if this is what it is.
Hello.
Sorry if this comes from nowhere, but I read a lot here, but post little to none, so I'm doing this because I truly don't know what to do or what is the problem with my device.
The thing is that my device (Galaxy S9 SM-G960F) has a really weird behavior regarding LTE mode: it has decent download speed (around 30-40-ish Mbps in every operator I've tried it), but it has really poor upload speeds (around 0.2-0.5 Mbps in those same operators). It happens in every operator in my country, and in every band (B2, B4, B7), EXCEPT for B28 (APT 700 Mhz). On that band, my phone behaves normally (20-30-ish Mbps in download and 10-14 Mbps in upload). 3G, on the other hand, works extremely well in every operator, giving me speeds around 14 Mbps download and 5-8 Mbps upload.
I've tried everything: downgrading/upgrading the modem firmware, flashing official firmware, changing the CSC to the one that has most bands compatible with my country (Chile), flashing Alexandr firmware, using different operators, etc and the problem persists. I'm beginning to think it has something to do at hardware level.
Does any of you has had these kind of problems before? How did you solve it? If this really is a weird case, does it mean it's probably at hardware level? Is it the modem? Amplifiers? Antennas?
Thanks in advance.
I think its just a case of signal fluctuations or antenna switching in the wrong times, i guess its gonna be like that.
May well be hardware.
Not necessarily the antenna or mobo although it's possible.
On the 10+ if the C port PCB is from the wrong 10+ variant it will have no internet or mobile connection. The parts look identical except for P/N.
Well, aren't you full of information.
But yes, he is correct. But I wouldn't like that to be true lest he has to give it in for repair.
Money is really rare during COVID.
blackhawk said:
May well be hardware.
Not necessarily the antenna or mobo although it's possible.
On the 10+ if the C port PCB is from the wrong 10+ variant it will have no internet or mobile connection. The parts look identical except for P/N.
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It could be. I bought this as a refurbished phone and I don't know what parts they used to make it. To be sure though, I ordered a connector PCB from aliexpress (they were cheap...like US$9) that has the antenna amplifier and stuff just to be sure its not the motherboard (which costs a lot more than 9 bucks).
I'll be updating if I have any news regarding my issue. Does any of you have experienced something similar?
Well, my iPhone keeps fluctuating from 1 bar to 2 bars to 3 bars sometimes.
So who knows? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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It could be. I bought this as a refurbished phone and I don't know what parts they used to make it. To be sure though, I ordered a connector PCB from aliexpress (they were cheap...like US$9) that has the antenna amplifier and stuff just to be sure its not the motherboard (which costs a lot more than 9 bucks).
I'll be updating if I have any news regarding my issue. Does any of you have experienced something similar?
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Just what I saw on my 10+ when the wrong variant killed the mobile connection.
It charged A-OK though
Hopefully that will get it... doesn't hurt to have a parts queen for spare parts if you really like that model.
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Just what I saw on my 10+ when the wrong variant killed the mobile connection.
It charged A-OK though
Hopefully that will get it... doesn't hurt to have a parts queen for spare parts if you really like that model.
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lol
Update: opened my phone, checked everything, even the amplifier board (the one that also has the charging flex) and couldn't see any damage. I'm about to throw the towel on this one and send it to a technician, though I highly doubt it will have any spare part, since this is a G960F and in my country, the model sold is the G9600.
Last time I make a mistake this big on Aliexpress. lol.