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400 mAh battery doesn't look very impressive to me. Screen is still LCD and not OLED so overall battery life could be at most 30-40% better, in my opinion.
To me, the first Moto 360 look like the successor of the new one design-wise, not the other way around. The original design is pure and futuristic.
Price also is increased by $100 (for the 46mm watch) which I find kind of greedy from Motorola.
I predict that the new Moto 360 won't have the success of the first edition, but it remains to be seen.
Personally not a big enough upgrade for me to shell out more money. Bought mine on sale for $149 and ordered a black metal band for $12 and it is working great. After the initial set-up I have never had a problem making it though a day with battery life.
I agree, mine lasts a very full day into night, not enough an upgrade to switch. A safer / less likely to crack back is a little tempting.. But I might try one of those Steel Connect products...
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Won´t buy it until it drops to $150 and I sell my 1st gen watch (I would consider other smarwatches at a similar price too)
I was really, really hoping that they would move to OLED. It really boggles me as to why they stayed with LCD, considering OLED can offer much better power-savings, and ambient mode is pretty much pointless on an LCD screen.
I would have definitely upgraded had they switched to OLED for the 2015 Moto 360, but so far, pretty disappointed with the announcement. I was half-hoping that they would implement some NFC-capabilities, but they didn't do that, either.
Wow I have to agree with all of you. LCD screen will eat the battery, and they kept the flat tire. I was excited for the final specs but now realize I will not be upgrading from my $149 first gen 360, not much changed.
I have an LG G watch R and wore it all day today with heavy usage with ambient mode on plus disabled minimal ambient screen mode so the screen looks active the entire day. As I write this 14 hours later, I still have 63% battery left. I think the Moto 360 is much more stylish, but it is a stylish black screen most of the day. I guess I will be looking at Samsung & other new watches.
I have had an LG G Watch R for about a year and just got a 1st generation Moto 360 for formal affairs. I am glad the 360 does not have an OLED screen. I don't use the Moto 360 as my daily driver, but as a short term watch for formal gatherings. I don't need it to have great battery life, but I do need to avoid the burn in issues I've seen some LG G Watch R owners experience. I want to be able to use lighter watch faces with no fear of burn in.
I am very glad I got the 1st generation 360, before the 2nd generation came out. The latest 360 has a bigger battery, and looks nice, although I do prefer the look of the 1st generation model. With all that the 2nd generation 360 brings, it is simply not worth it's much higher price tag. Android Wear devices, used to cost much less than a phone. Now, Android Wear prices are on par with the phones they're supposed to pair with and depend on for information. They don't even have independent call and talk capability, but are priced like phones...
I did a comparison today in Moto Maker and the 2nd generation 360 would cost more than double for the same design as I purchased just last week for a 1st generation 360. That's pretty wild to me, since the 2nd generation 360 is not "that much" better.
To me, Moto and others that have just released 2015 Android Wear devices. Are in some delusional space, thinking they will get sales at their present asking prices.
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To me, Moto and others that have just released 2015 Android Wear devices. Are in some delusional space, thinking they will get sales at their present asking prices.
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I agree with this, they saw the Apple Watch pricing and they thought to match it. The fate will be the same as with Galaxy S6 vs iPhone 6: Samsung did a price drop after a few short months.
Yeah this new one just ain't worth the upgrade... I really thought they would work out a way of getting rid of the flat tire.. The price is a joke.
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I was really, really hoping that they would move to OLED. It really boggles me as to why they stayed with LCD, considering OLED can offer much better power-savings, and ambient mode is pretty much pointless on an LCD screen.
I would have definitely upgraded had they switched to OLED for the 2015 Moto 360, but so far, pretty disappointed with the announcement. I was half-hoping that they would implement some NFC-capabilities, but they didn't do that, either.
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I agree with the OLED. My assumption is that they could not outsource an OLED display of their required size and shape (1.56" with flat-tyre at the bottom, minimal bezel and all the electronics in the flat-tyre area) in a cost-effective manner. Samsung and LG use much smaller 1.2" displays with large to huge bezels. Huawei is a bit of a surprise though.
But with a 400mAh battery, updated processor and maybe LCD backlight improvements I think we are in for a surprise regarding battery life with the always-on display. Or at least I hope so.
In the mean time, I really like the Samsung Gear S2 so I may just get that as an upgrade if it has really good battery life.
I am a previous Samsung owner having had an S6 and S7 and whilst I generally liked those phones, I grew tired of the battery life falling off a cliff after approx 6-9 months - an issue that I did not find with my Huawei Mate Pro 20 that I switched to - so had planned to not buy Samsung Galaxys again.
Having said that, the reviews on the S21 Ultra do look great and it has got me tempted to switch over from my Pixel 5 (which I do love the camera on but the smaller screen isn't for me). So I am interested to hear any battery experiences of S20 Ultra / other recent Galaxys as to how impressive the battery life was initially and what its longevity was like after 6-12 months?
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I am a previous Samsung owner having had an S6 and S7 and whilst I generally liked those phones, I grew tired of the battery life falling off a cliff after approx 6-9 months - an issue that I did not find with my Huawei Mate Pro 20 that I switched to - so had planned to not buy Samsung Galaxys again.
Having said that, the reviews on the S21 Ultra do look great and it has got me tempted to switch over from my Pixel 5 (which I do love the camera on but the smaller screen isn't for me). So I am interested to hear any battery experiences of S20 Ultra / other recent Galaxys as to how impressive the battery life was initially and what its longevity was like after 6-12 months?
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unless you are in a country that offers SD variant of the phone, stay away from S20 ultra if battery life is important. The exynos chipset used in S20 series have bad battery life. Reviews shows that samsung fixed the problem on the exynos chipset used on the S21 though.. so you will be better off on S21 if battery life is important.
I've had my S20+ for 10 months now and use my phone a LOT. I haven't had any issues with my battery life.
Hi all I'm thinking of switching from my s21 ultra (exynos variant) but been hearing some bad reviews etc of bad battery life and not so good cameras etc on the pixel does any one who ownes a pixel 6 pro know if most of these have been fixed? And would people consider the pixel 6 pro over the s21 ultra or am I best waiting till the s22 thanks
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Hi all I'm thinking of switching from my s21 ultra (exynos variant) but been hearing some bad reviews etc of bad battery life and not so good cameras etc on the pixel does any one who ownes a pixel 6 pro know if most of these have been fixed? And would people consider the pixel 6 pro over the s21 ultra or am I best waiting till the s22 thanks
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hi, i have switched from s21u(exy) and battery on p6 pro is amazing comparing to samsung(9h+ p6 pro / 6h s21u - same usage)(p6pro 42h/one charge / s21u/28h) . not only battery, i like the mini rounded corners of p6 pro, software is good enough(its new), will be better after fex fixes.
Thanks so would you say it's a good choice over the s21 ultra
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Thanks so would you say it's a good choice over the s21 ultra
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yeah, right now best choice, i am selling my s21u
Thanks might get it ordered today and pass down the s21 ultra to the lad
After the Pixel 1 stopped getting updates two years ago, my wife and I finally upgraded to the Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ 512 GB model, because for the first couple of years after the Pixel 1, I was waiting to buy another Pixel until they came out with a 256 GB model, and then by the time they did, I needed a 512 GB model so I still waited.
The Note 10+ hardware is great. I hate the software. I use my personal phone for my work too, my work uses Google for everything, and apparently, it's common with Samsung devices that they have sporadic syncing of GMail and Chat/Hangouts. When I told my brother about the problem I was having (and I did try deep-diving settings about not optimizing for battery usage, and not killing in the background, and even factory reset), my brother, who had only just bought his family their first smartphones maybe 4 years ago and go the Galaxy S9+, said that he assumed that's just the way Android is. It's not. I never encountered such bad GMail and chat syncing and notification behavior on any other phone.
For chat-type notifications, it was hit and miss whether I would receive timely ones. I could never narrow down what made the difference. For GMail, sometimes I wouldn't get a notification of an email until 45 minutes to even 2 hours later. Multi-tasking on the work computer, sometimes I wouldn't look at my GMail browser tab for long periods of time, and my boss likes to use chat quite often too. Half the time, I did happen to see the email in the browser tab, read it, and even deleted it (for non-critical things), and then later on my Samsung would let me know I have that "new" email. I already saw it and deleted it! Crazy.
There were other things Samsung gimped compared to other phones (Do Not Disturb...), and it also managed to duplicate all my contacts in a way that they're not recognized as duplicates so they can't be automatically de-duped.
Thankfully, back on the P6P 512 GB bandwagon, I no longer have those issues, and we quickly sold our Note 10+'s. So my answer is I'd trade any Samsung for a Pixel. Loved the Samsung hardware, but the software just doesn't cut it for me. The only thing I miss from the Note is the stylus from time to time, which would be handy for Pixel's magic eraser when you have to really fine-tune some erasing.
Oh yeah - I haven't had any issues with my battery life in the month I've had the phone. For the last five years, I never quick charge any phone, I only charge once the phone gets down to 25%, and I take the phone off the charger at 75%. I never charge overnight. The Pixel 6/Pro have Adaptive Charge to help battery life, but my 25-75% battery range lasts me 24 hours normally anyway. I don't own any quick chargers except my original Pixel 1 charger, and I don't use it.
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Hi all I'm thinking of switching from my s21 ultra (exynos variant) but been hearing some bad reviews etc of bad battery life and not so good cameras etc on the pixel does any one who ownes a pixel 6 pro know if most of these have been fixed? And would people consider the pixel 6 pro over the s21 ultra or am I best waiting till the s22 thanks
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If multiple days of battery life is a bad thing, or the camera is too good for you.... you might want to stick with the samdung.
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Hi all I'm thinking of switching from my s21 ultra (exynos variant) but been hearing some bad reviews etc of bad battery life and not so good cameras etc on the pixel does any one who ownes a pixel 6 pro know if most of these have been fixed? And would people consider the pixel 6 pro over the s21 ultra or am I best waiting till the s22 thanks
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I did the same thing, and battery is good after about a week or two. You have to give the adaptive battery time to learn your habits. Not sure where you heard the camera is bad. That's the best part of the phone.
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The only thing I miss from the Note is the stylus from time to time, which would be handy for Pixel's magic eraser when you have to really fine-tune some erasing.
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There are 10 billion options for capacitive screen pokey things on Amazon. I can't tell you which ones I have, because I can't read the font they used to identify themselves, but works pretty good.
Owning currently both devices here I can maybe share a few thoughts, subjective of course as many of those base on what I like/dislike:
Pro S21 Ultra:
+ build quality
+ display quality
+ overall maturity of the software
+ better standby drain
Pro Pixel 6 Pro:
+ genuine, clean Android with less bloat
+ snappier UI
+ active battery life
+ Camera: much lower noise and much better dynamic range in low light
+ Camera: less heavy-handed noise-reduction/resharpening
+ (slightly) less weight
+ much more development friendly (no hassle bootloader unlock without lost warranty, no Knox.....)
All in all I like both phones, what makes me moving back to the S21 Ultra (or maybe again Mi 11U) is memory - sadly Google only sells the P6P with max 256GB in Germany which I find a bit too small for my purpose.....
And a few more words on the camera: Samsung has its own way in image processing and in many cases this leads to loss of details in grass/leaves/.... which I dislike. The Pixel 6 Pro gives much better results here, as with many indoor shots specifically of pets/kids.... So overall I much prefer the Pixel camera, this doesn't mean the Samsung camera is bad, though - it isn't !
The only thing I like about my s21 ultra is the display screen. Other than that, 6 pro tops it off. (The 6 pro is on par with the iPhone 13 max's camera btw) With the exception of the video quality of course. The iPhone is still the king for shooting high quality videos.
I have both. These are the most notable differences that I have noticed in using both extensively over a few weeks.
Everything else not-mentioned seems the same/equivalent between the two devices.
Battery; The Samsung has better battery life out of the box, hands down. I regularly saw 7hour screen time and easily made it 24 hours or more on a single charge. The P6P gets about 4-5hours screen time and only about 20-22hours on a charge.
Can only hope the P6P gets better with updates. I returned my first P6P because I thought something was wrong with it. Unfortunately, the second one is the same. It's bad (for some people, but apparently not everyone).
Temperature; You have to try really hard to make the Samsung work up a sweat. The P6P seems to get warm at random times without much going on (browsing forums, for example). Then other times when you would expect it to get warm (watching videos), it runs perfectly cool. Very strange.
Camera; There's nothing better or easier than the P6P when trying to produce consistent great quality pictures. Despite superior hardware in the Samsung S21 Ultra, overall picture results are handicapped due to inferior software/processing, especially in portrait mode. It has gotten better with updates, but still gets beat handily by P6P.
Size and Weight; The P6P is more hand/pocket friendly. It is noticeably thinner and lighter than the S21 Ultra, making it more comfortable in the pockets that I carry it in (back pocket or front shirt pocket). The S21 Ultra feels like a small cinder block in the pocket compare to the P6P.
Charging; Despite better technical sheet specs for the P6P, it charges inconsistently and slower than the S21 Ultra. It's not by a small margin either, P6P takes about 2x longer.
It also tends to get warm to the point of thorttling during charging. The S21 Ultra is consistent, and charges very fast and doesnt get very warm (certainly never throttles).
Software; I suppose this could be preference. If you like the Samsung software look and feel, then it's perfectly fine. It really runs almost flawlessly compared to older TouchWiz crap from Samsung. I prefer the look and feel of pure android from Google.
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I have both. These are the most notable differences that I have noticed in using both extensively over a few weeks.
Everything else not-mentioned seems the same/equivalent between the two devices.
Battery; The Samsung has better battery life out of the box, hands down. I regularly saw 7hour screen time and easily made it 24 hours or more on a single charge. The P6P gets about 4-5hours screen time and only about 20-22hours on a charge.
Can only hope the P6P gets better with updates. I returned my first P6P because I thought something was wrong with it. Unfortunately, the second one is the same. It's bad (for some people, but apparently not everyone).
Temperature; You have to try really hard to make the Samsung work up a sweat. The P6P seems to get warm at random times without much going on (browsing forums, for example). Then other times when you would expect it to get warm (watching videos), it runs perfectly cool. Very strange.
Camera; There's nothing better or easier than the P6P when trying to produce consistent great quality pictures. Despite superior hardware in the Samsung S21 Ultra, overall picture results are handicapped due to inferior software/processing, especially in portrait mode. It has gotten better with updates, but still gets beat handily by P6P.
Size and Weight; The P6P is more hand/pocket friendly. It is noticeably thinner and lighter than the S21 Ultra, making it more comfortable in the pockets that I carry it in (back pocket or front shirt pocket). The S21 Ultra feels like a small cinder block in the pocket compare to the P6P.
Charging; Despite better technical sheet specs for the P6P, it charges inconsistently and slower than the S21 Ultra. It's not by a small margin either, P6P takes about 2x longer.
It also tends to get warm to the point of thorttling during charging. The S21 Ultra is consistent, and charges very fast and doesnt get very warm (certainly never throttles).
Software; I suppose this could be preference. If you like the Samsung software look and feel, then it's perfectly fine. It really runs almost flawlessly compared to older TouchWiz crap from Samsung. I prefer the look and feel of pure android from Google.
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I think a lot of what you're putting down as negatives against P6P comes down to gservices and broken "pixel features". I'm running pure (google free) AOSP on mine. I pulled it off the charger this morning at 5:30 (7.5 hours ago). Currently have 1.5 hr screen on time and the battery is at 92%, and so far the battery gauge appears to be pretty linear. I've also NOT noticed ANY substantial heating up. It runs pretty cool consistently -- note that heat comes from the battery, so it makes sense.
Also, there is no magic battery BS in AOSP.
I upgraded from a Note 20 Ultra 512Gb and the battery on my P6P is phenomenal compared to the Note 20. There have been issues for some on the P6P but I've been using my 512Gb unlocked variant with no issue at all. Just make sure you set your P6P from scratch and don't transfer data from your S21 Ultra. Also the standby drain is the best I've ever had, took it off the charger at 9PM at 100% and at 8:30 the next morning was at 99%. Not everyone is having the same results that I have.
I had both for a while. S21 ultra for the last 9 months. Tested them side by side . I don't think the pixel is better than the s21 in any single way, they are actually so similar. I prefer the maturer Samsung email and calendar software but that's subjective. The biggest difference, which matters for me was that the pixel has more global 5g and LTE bands than the s21. I used Nova and mimicked the s21 completely. Really couldn't tell the difference except screen better on s21 IMHO.
if I didn't already own the s21 I would have bought the pixel but because they are so similar and it isn't an upgrade but more a move to the side, the change didn't make sense.
Display, build quality, signal quality and probably smoothness are all better on the s21U. However I prefer the camera on the P6P and also Pixel Android to OneUI. The S21U is a solid, well built device and I don't think the P6P is an upgrade, if anything it's a slight downgrade.
Thanks for all the replys I'm still on the fence at the minute lol,can I root the pixel 6 pro and have no problems like knox,drm keys etc like other devices have? And if ibdecude to want to unroot can it be returned back to totally factory as if it was never rooted? I haven't rooted for years and miss been able to uninstall apps etc and is viper4android still going strong or is there another app in its place thanks
Stick with the S21 Ultra. I went from a Note 20 Ultra to the Pixel 6 Pro. I love the camera, the better speakers, cleaner software experience, but overall it doesn't feel like an upgrade. The 5G reception is slightly worse, Android 12 has lots of quirks, charging speeds are much slower, and customization is currently very limited. It's possible that it will improve with updates and custom ROMs but its current state is underwhelming. To be honest, I'm already looking forward to the S22 Ultra.
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Thanks for all the replys I'm still on the fence at the minute lol,can I root the pixel 6 pro and have no problems like knox,drm keys etc like other devices have? And if ibdecude to want to unroot can it be returned back to totally factory as if it was never rooted? I haven't rooted for years and miss been able to uninstall apps etc and is viper4android still going strong or is there another app in its place thanks
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Yep, no bad sides to rooting or later unrooting at all, just jump through some well established hoops as far as banking apps are concerned. It didn't bother me and it was the first time I ever did what I needed for safety net and banking apps to not know I'm rooted. No one can tell you ever had it rooted if you re-lock the bootloader after restoring to 100% stock and then factory reset, which will re-disable the OEM unlock option on Developer Options.
You just never can automatically update to each months OTA, have to follow the proper manual procedure to update and stay rooted. I did it every month for over three years that I had the Pixel 1.
If you value the camera, root and stock Android then get the Pixel. If you don't value those then stick with the S21U. I came from the S21U so I can honestly tell you that the S21U is definitely a better all around device but the fact that I can root really made my decision easier to go with the Pixel. No, the Pixel isn't any smoother than the S21U as I've had both; they are pretty much the same in the smoothness department. Anyone who disagrees is lying to themselves.
So my main driver today is an S8+. Before this, I used an S8. I used to prefer smaller phones but I can see that going with a bigger phone has its fair share of advantages (and disadvantages, of course) so I'm really confused which one to get between the S22 and S22+. I saw both phones physically yesterday and compared them side by side. I think I'm ok with the size of the S22+ because I tend to use my phone with browsing forums and watching Youtube videos. I do not do gaming. Here are some of my main concerns:
1. Battery life -> I know the S22+ wins in this category but is 4500mAH vs 3700mAH really significant? I rarely upgrade my phone (evident by the fact that I'm still using S8+) so I want to know if going with a bigger battery (and size) is the wiser choice.
2. I also use my phone in bed before sleeping. With m S8+, my pinky finger serves servers as like a stand for the phone while I'm lying down and looking at the screen (I think most people do this) so I'm worried that getting a bigger 6.6" phone (S22+) will make my pinky finger hurt even more. Would getting a case with a strap at the back (like the official silicon case for the S22/S22+) solve this issue?
3. Is the difference in brightness level between the phones that significant?
4. Does the S22 have wifi 6 only or is it like the S22+ that has wifi 6E? I'm getting mixed information regarding this because some sites say that both have 6E while others say that only the S22+ and S22 Ultra have 6E.
Thanks in advance for the help!
The difference in size and weight between the S22+ and S8+ is negligible. Go for the S22+. Get the 256GB model. You'll like the extra storage space since the S22 series does not have a microSD slot.
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S22 battery life is absolutely ridiculous even with average use and no gaming. If I would start over again, I would go with +.
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The difference in size and weight between the S22+ and S8+ is negligible. Go for the S22+. Get the 256GB model. You'll like the extra storage space since the S22 series does not have a microSD slot.
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I just checked the website you linked to and I swear that when I compared the S8+ and S22+ in person, the difference in height was a bit significant and it isn't like the one in the website. Not sure why.
Yeah, the difference in price between the 128GB and 256GB variants isn't that significant so I'll definitely go with a 256GB variant. However, I never used a microSD slot on my S8+ anyway. I just transfer my photos to my NAS whenever the phone complained about low storage capacity and this is not something that I do often.
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S22 battery life is absolutely ridiculous even with average use and no gaming. If I would start over again, I would go with +.
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How ridiculous is it? I'm sure it's still better than my S8+ But yeah, I'm leaning more towards the S22+, for sure.
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I just checked the website you linked to and I swear that when I compared the S8+ and S22+ in person, the difference in height was a bit significant and it isn't like the one in the website. Not sure why.
Yeah, the difference in price between the 128GB and 256GB variants isn't that significant so I'll definitely go with a 256GB variant. However, I never used a microSD slot on my S8+ anyway. I just transfer my photos to my NAS whenever the phone complained about low storage capacity and this is not something that I do often.
How ridiculous is it? I'm sure it's still better than my S8+ But yeah, I'm leaning more towards the S22+, for sure.
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Well overnight battery drain of 12%. 85% to 20% from 6 Am to 2 pm with average use like whatsapp, data and wifi with a bit of maps. With even less use, it last about 7 pm.
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Don't even think about s22 it's very worst in terms of battery life also lagging like hell. Go with s22+ or better switch to iPhone. I am now regretting my decision of switching from iphone to s22.
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I just checked the website you linked to and I swear that when I compared the S8+ and S22+ in person, the difference in height was a bit significant and it isn't like the one in the website. Not sure why.
Yeah, the difference in price between the 128GB and 256GB variants isn't that significant so I'll definitely go with a 256GB variant. However, I never used a microSD slot on my S8+ anyway. I just transfer my photos to my NAS whenever the phone complained about low storage capacity and this is not something that I do often.
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Take the last two posts with a grain of salt. To be fair. The 128GB Exynos models (S22, S22+ and S22 Ultra) are having issues, but you can't get the Exynos here in the US.
My wife has the S22+ (256GB) and daughter has the S22 (256GB). Both get decent battery life and there is no lag or stuttering. They are much heavier users than I am with my S22 Ultra. They constantly are streaming videos and music. Both are the Snap Dragon models.
Are you sure were looking at the S22+ and not the S22 Ultra. There is a significant difference between the Ultra and the Plus.
The difference between the S22+ and the S8+ is really small. The S8+ is actually 0.08in longer than the S22+. The S22+ is 0.09in wider though. The weight difference is because the S22+ has a larger display and a bigger battery. The perceived difference is probably from the fact that the S22+ has smaller bezels which allows for a larger display. The screen to body ratio for the S22+ is 89.71%. Whereas the S8+ is 83.32%. That is a 6.39% increase which accounts for the 0.4in increase in display size.
Yeah. I do the same thing, offload my photos to my NAS. I don't wait until I am short on space though. I do it about every two to three weeks.
Ha ha... All the very best then.
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Don't get the S22 unless you're sadistic you like hurting yourself.
I left a few comments in other threads advising people to stay away from from this piece of crap because it's a complete fail due to the small battery inside paired with a very inefficient CPU.
So get the S22+ without even thinking of the small variant.
If I were you though, I'd skip this lineup completely. Qualcomm went with Samsung's node for the 8 Gen 1 and it was a complete fail. Samsung wasn't able to produce a good quality product. They moved back to TSMC though and the 8+ Gen 1, which is supposed to be a refresh with very small gains according to history so to speak, and the gains, especially in the efficiency department are pretty friggin extreme. 30% better efficiency for practically the same chip... Insane. You usually see that in a next generation chipset.
Back to the skipping the lineup completely, I'd wait a little longer and get a device with the new 8 Plus Gen 1 inside just because TSMC is simply superior at creating CPUs. Also it needs to be big, or at least bigger than the S22, otherwise you'll be in a world of pain. In the Android world, you gotta go big for decent battery life.
Here's the post in which I did some math: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/s22-or-s21.4439081/post-87020447
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Oh ok. So I just stay with my slow S8+ for now? How long does Samsung usually take to release their next flagship model? Are there any leaks about the 8+ Gen1 being on any phone soon? I'm pretty convince in going with a bigger phone than what I have now.
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Don't even think about s22 it's very worst in terms of battery life also lagging like hell. Go with s22+ or better switch to iPhone. I am now regretting my decision of switching from iphone to s22.
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Yeah, I'm not an Apple guy. I'd stick with Android for now. I just really need to have this sluggish and old phone upgraded. But dragos' post above got me thinking if I should wait more.
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Take the last two posts with a grain of salt. To be fair. The 128GB Exynos models (S22, S22+ and S22 Ultra) are having issues, but you can't get the Exynos here in the US.
My wife has the S22+ (256GB) and daughter has the S22 (256GB). Both get decent battery life and there is no lag or stuttering. They are much heavier users than I am with my S22 Ultra. They constantly are streaming videos and music. Both are the Snap Dragon models.
Are you sure were looking at the S22+ and not the S22 Ultra. There is a significant difference between the Ultra and the Plus.
The difference between the S22+ and the S8+ is really small. The S8+ is actually 0.08in longer than the S22+. The S22+ is 0.09in wider though. The weight difference is because the S22+ has a larger display and a bigger battery. The perceived difference is probably from the fact that the S22+ has smaller bezels which allows for a larger display. The screen to body ratio for the S22+ is 89.71%. Whereas the S8+ is 83.32%. That is a 6.39% increase which accounts for the 0.4in increase in display size.
Yeah. I do the same thing, offload my photos to my NAS. I don't wait until I am short on space though. I do it about every two to three weeks.
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Yeah, I'm from the Philippines and we also get the Snapdragon here, so no worries about Exynos.
Yeah, I'm sure I was looking at the S22+ and not the Ultra. I knew right away which one was the Ultra so I didn't even bother checking it out. But yeah, it might be just me getting excited to see them for the first time. I checked the dimensions on that website again and they are pretty spot on.
I'm now reading about the Snapdragon 8+ Gen 1 and it looks like it is indeed better than the 8 Gen 1. At this point, I'm not sure if I should wait for the next S series from Samsung (next year) or go with the upcoming Flip which will have the 8+ Gen 1 chip. I just don't like how long the Flip is but waiting for another half a year for probably the S23 will be very hard for me too
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dragos281993 said:
I wasn't referring to getting a Samsung phone. The next Samsung flagship lineup will have the next gen chipsets. I was talking about a different device from a different company. If I were to really need an upgrade right now, I'd get a Pixel 6 Pro or a OnePlus 10 Pro. The 10 Pro has better hardware on paper so if that's your thing, I'd go for that. The battery inside is big and the phone apparently doesn't have any heating up issues or at least not the same as Samsung devices have. If you really want to stay with Samsung, the previous generation is better with unnoticeable performance differences but better battery life. Not to mention that you'd be able to get an S21 Plus for much cheaper.
Devices with the 8 Gen 1 Plus will be coming out in the next months. The 8 Gen 2 is apparently supposed to be made available in November so you can imagine that the Gen 1 Plus is really close to being put to use.
The idea is that the usage I get from my S22 is with normal usage. 3h SOT to me is terrible but my math is close to perfect and I've had constant numbers based on that. A person said to take the above comments with a grain of salt. I'm afraid it's not possible with the regular S22. The phone is a complete fail no matter how you look at it. If someone's is claiming they get good battery but the rest of the users are complaining that they don't, that means the phone has terrible battery life. An again, the math I did proves that there's too few milliamps for you to get good battery life. Also, the charging speed is pathetic. It would've made sense for the damn thing to charge faster if the battery life is terrible. That way you'd have had at least the option to plug it in for a few minutes ang get an extra 2 hours SOT just like that. A OP 10 Pro charges to 100% in 30 minutes. If I got 4h SOT on that, I honestly wouldn't even care about SOT anymore because I can leave it plugged in for 5 minutes and get a pretty fat chunk of battery back. Samsung basically ripped people off this year with a terrible phone.
My 2 cents though. You go on and do whatever you think is best, of course. But you asked for advice so my advice is to not get an S22. Get either an S22+ or a OP 10 Pro which is superior.
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It's statements like these that make me leery. It makes me wonder if the person making these statements are getting paid to.
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For the OP:
I agree with everything @dragos281993 said!
You can eventually get used to everything this phone does.. stutters, heating etc. But the biggest let down is the battery.
There is a lengthy discussion on battery here. Do check it out https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...agon-battery-life-and-heating-issues.4445195/
I'd honestly advice to stay away from S22. But if you really want it then at least get the S22+
But real advice, go for a different brand, maybe pixel or One plus. Or if you can live with ios, then get an iphone.
There are other phones coming soon. maybe the Nothing phone (will need to wait for the reviews). or if you can then wait for the year end, then im sure better phones will be out.
dragos281993 said:
I could say the same about you. Claiming that someone you know gets decent battery life or no lags and stutters is pretty crazy considering that the vast majority of users is experiencing the opposite. The phone overheats and it throttles down most of the time, especially if it's hot outside. Therefore the battery performs worse and you end up with framedrops everywhere, which not everyone cares about or notices. Lag is a different thing though and I wasn't talking about that in my other posts. Stutters/framedrops are very present.
I wish though that someone paid me to write comments on the internet. I can't imagine how that'd work though.
Anyway, I'm currently stuck with an S22 so I'm trying to help others understand why they should stay away from it, and warn them of the pain they're about to go through. The phone is trash and even Samsung knows it. The chip inside is too much for it to handle and the battery simply too small. I went quite in-depth in other threads on this matter, and I speak in milliamps and precise measurements because I experienced it myself. I even rooted it to try some power tweaks but nope, same results. I hate this thing so much I even rock it without any protection right now. If I drop it and it shatters into 1000 pieces, I won't be mad.
The frame is very easily scratched and the same goes for the screen. Mine both look like I dragged my phone on concrete. It's that bad in terms of durability too.
But you know what? I wish the guy who asked for help actually buys the S22. You can learn from others' mistakes and easily avoid disaster, or ignore that and experience it yourself, firsthand. My bet is he'll return it.
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Yeah... But I'm not using terms like "sadistic" and "hurting yourself."
I'm pretty sure getting a phone isn't sadistic nor will it hurt someone.
Thanks for the comments. I don't know why but I have a certain bias (or more appropriately, a "preference") towards Samsung. At this point though, I don't want to get the S22+ if it's a half-baked phone with the Snapdragon 8 Gen 1. I'm glad that I posted here before pushing through with the purchase. I don't know if I'll be able to wait until early next year for the S23 but it's not too far away.
kevindd992002 said:
Thanks for the comments. I don't know why but I have a certain bias (or more appropriately, a "preference") towards Samsung. At this point though, I don't want to get the S22+ if it's a half-baked phone with the Snapdragon 8 Gen 1. I'm glad that I posted here before pushing through with the purchase. I don't know if I'll be able to wait until early next year for the S23 but it's not too far away.
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It's not a half baked phone. There are a few trolls on here that only speak for themselves. They make it seem like most people who bought one hate it. That's not even close to being true.
If you're going to wait for the S23 series, keep in mind that Samsung is cutting production numbers for next year because of the ongoing chip shortages.
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It's not a half baked phone. There are a few trolls on here that only speak for themselves. They make it seem like most people who bought one hate it. That's not even close to being true.
If you're going to wait for the S23 series, keep in mind that Samsung is cutting production numbers for next year because of the ongoing chip shortages.
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Well, looks like you own a S22 and its working well for you. I'm glad that it is. The OP asked for reviews/feedback so we as a community provided. You can provide your positive reviews and for the people who have had a bad experience will provide theirs.. Do remember that just because your S22 is good does not mean everyone has the same experience.. Lets just provide the feedback and let the OP take a call instead of pointing fingers at each other.
The s22 plus is better then the s22.
But it is also priced higher.
So for more money it has better specs.
It depends on what you like using.
Here is my example:
I had the Redmi K20 Pro and loved it for its size. It got damaged so I bought myself a Poco F3 with a fairly bigger screen (I felt like giving bigger phones a try). It's a great phone that I still use as a backup but I got the base S22 because I realized that I need something that fits easily in the pocket, even with a case on. And with the F3, I was always terrified of it flying out of my pocket while on the move.
To conclude, the S22 is a good choice if you want a small-ish flagship. The S22+ is a good choice if you want a bigger device and are willing to spend more money. It all depends on your own preference, so I'd suggest going to some store that has both the S22 and S22+ on display and see which one you prefer.
Fyi, XDA info:
OnePlus 11 review: A polished 'almost flagship' at non-flagship price
The OnePlus 11, at $699, is a good value proposition against Samsung's Galaxy S23 series, but the existence of the Google Pixel 7 makes things tricky
www.xda-developers.com
799$ in US and 799£ in UK. What a rip-off 799$ is 665£. Why are they charging UK customers 135£ extra for?
XDRdaniel said:
799$ in US and 799£ in UK. What a rip-off 799$ is 665£. Why are they charging UK customers 135£ extra for?
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The US list price doesn't include state sales taxes (7%+ in most states), while UK price includes a 20% VAT
ThrottlePlus strikes again...
849 Euro for 12/256 Gb..
Hate !!! the "design".. Bleahhhh !!!
Good phone , but No wireless charging...
Here is GSMArena review
OnePlus 11 review
The OnePlus 11 this year comes without a Pro model, so the vanilla has a tough job carrying the weight of two devices. After all, it has to convince older...
www.gsmarena.com
Dayuser said:
Here is GSMArena review
OnePlus 11 review
The OnePlus 11 this year comes without a Pro model, so the vanilla has a tough job carrying the weight of two devices. After all, it has to convince older...
www.gsmarena.com
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Seems weird that they did a battery comparison without adding the S23 Ultra to the default listing since most shopping OnePlus will be looking at both.
Spoiler alert: OnePlus gets smoked.
S23U 39:23h vs 30:12h for calls
S23U 21:18h vs 15:09h for browsing
S23U 23:29h vs 19:00h for video
I'm glad that at least they didn't do their performance benchmarks with performance mode toggled on so that people could see just how much OnePlus is throttling the SoC out of the box. Of course, they probably benchmarked the battery without performance mode too which would make this an even worse showing for OnePlus since that throttled X3 core is going to be saving a lot of power that the Samsung isn't.
S23 Ultra 1400 Euro...
NO !!! thank you.., or FO!
Now on Giztop they sell OnePlus 11 with 699 $ (12/256 Gb) with OxygenOS if the customer wants.
I was snooping around to upgrade my OP7Pro finally. I was very interested in Pixel 7 Pro and almost ordered but it turned out the battery life is just bad compared to other current phones. Not something I expected from Google flagship. If not the battery, I would certainly buy it, even if I really dislike the vanilla/pixel barebones android experience. Unfortunately, Tensor G2 is dead on arrival compared to S8Gen2 and power efficiency.
So the only viable alternative for me was Samsung. S23 Ultra is just too big and has this stupid, unnecessary pencil which I will never use. Big size, space wasting pencil and 1400 EUR price is out of the question for me and I was happy to go for S23+. It looks very minimal and nice, specs are good, 4700MAh battery seems to be great on it according to gsmarena review and it seems its a really great phone for its class besides inflated Samsung prices. You can try and price your device like an Apple, but still its just a Samsung, even if a great one, its still a korean dishwasher or refrigerator. Oh, and no PD charger like with Apple...
The only thing lacking is >200 EUR price difference compared to Oneplus 11. An the latter has the slider which I use very often (I also have company IP12 and often use the slider too and i am surprised no other popular brand adopted the physical toggle).
I have a wireless charging on my Iphone and sometimes I use it during a day in the office - since I'm talking half of the day it is kinda usefull for me but I never felt real need for a wireless charger for my OP7Pro which is my personal phone. And having a very fast and bundled charger with device makes it pointless for me so I'm indifferent whether it has charging coil inside or not. I dont see any advantage to either wait for a slow wireless charger or pay premium for a premium and fast wireless charger (if compatible with the phone). I also don't care about IP rating since I treat all my phones as vulnerable to weather.
Overall I preordered OP11 with trading my OP7Pro and figured: either I will like it after 6 months or not and after that I will switch/trade it for S23+ or just wait a year and try the Oneplus 12 flagship if it will be even worth it to consider.
Pixel 7 Pro is the biggest disappointment for me this year. Xiaomi 13/Pro/Ultra even if great phone, I will never touch because of it's bad OS and f-ton of spying stuff. If I have to agree to a license to even start the simple calculator or file manager then something is wrong with this company.
Samsung is too pricey to try it first before OP11. If 11 fails, then I will go with S23+. Seems like a really complete phone besides price.
Guessing by how they had to slash the prices of the OnePlus 9 Pro and 10 Pro, at least in the US, the high end brand recognition is failing here. The OnePlus 10 Pro crashed from $1069 for the top spec model to the current of about $600. They lost many early sales to Samsung and Google that could be had cheap with carrier deals. They were smart to release the OnePlus 11 at the lower prices to start, but lack of being sold by carriers is probably going to further hurt brand recognition. It would not be surprising for OnePlus to shift its focus to foldables and the budget market. As Apple proved with the 14 and 14 Plus, the market for mid range is shrinking, as most want either high end or the cheapest thing they can get.
That said, the OnePlus 11 is definitely the most exciting phone they've released in a long time and has the potential to improve if they refine OxygenOS. Where the 9 Pro and 10 Pro were your typical annual processor bumps, the 11 brings a much more efficient processor, UFS 4 storage, Wifi 7, an improved camera, and more efficient screen. Also, many comparisons have been made to the Pixel 7 Pro. Yes, it has a cleaner software experience and better camera, wireless charging, but the slower, inefficient processor and slightly inferior modem definitely make the Pixel 7 Pro feel more upper mid range than high end. The Pixel 7 Pro is all about software, where the OnePlus 11 is top notch hardware. The biggest mystery is why wireless charging was left out on the 11, especially when it would have boosted accessory sales.
So glad I pre-ordered OP11, right now every time I try to play a graphical intensive game or multi task my Pixel 7 Pro stutters like crazy and even gets crackly audio distortion. I suspect even if OP11 throttles it will blow Tensor 2 trash out of the water.
Guyinlaca said:
Guessing by how they had to slash the prices of the OnePlus 9 Pro and 10 Pro, at least in the US, the high end brand recognition is failing here. The OnePlus 10 Pro crashed from $1069 for the top spec model to the current of about $600. They lost many early sales to Samsung and Google that could be had cheap with carrier deals. They were smart to release the OnePlus 11 at the lower prices to start, but lack of being sold by carriers is probably going to further hurt brand recognition. It would not be surprising for OnePlus to shift its focus to foldables and the budget market. As Apple proved with the 14 and 14 Plus, the market for mid range is shrinking, as most want either high end or the cheapest thing they can get.
That said, the OnePlus 11 is definitely the most exciting phone they've released in a long time and has the potential to improve if they refine OxygenOS. Where the 9 Pro and 10 Pro were your typical annual processor bumps, the 11 brings a much more efficient processor, UFS 4 storage, Wifi 7, an improved camera, and more efficient screen. Also, many comparisons have been made to the Pixel 7 Pro. Yes, it has a cleaner software experience and better camera, wireless charging, but the slower, inefficient processor and slightly inferior modem definitely make the Pixel 7 Pro feel more upper mid range than high end. The Pixel 7 Pro is all about software, where the OnePlus 11 is top notch hardware. The biggest mystery is why wireless charging was left out on the 11, especially when it would have boosted accessory sales.
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No mystery around wireless charging / other compromises. Do you want a cheaper phone or not?
The other compromises I understand, but wireless charging is not hard to implement, and is seen on many budget phones. It's just a coil that goes over the battery. Given that it's on the 10 Pro, they probably could have used the same coil. Considering OnePlus also makes a wireless charging stand, you'd think they want to sell more. Aside from that, this is going to be an outstanding device.
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The other compromises I understand, but wireless charging is not hard to implement, and is seen on many budget phones. It's just a coil that goes over the battery. Given that it's on the 10 Pro, they probably could have used the same coil. Considering OnePlus also makes a wireless charging stand, you'd think they want to sell more. Aside from that, this is going to be an outstanding device.
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Coils ain't free
null0seven said:
Now on Giztop they sell OnePlus 11 with 699 $ (12/256 Gb) with OxygenOS if the customer wants.
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Thanks for the heads up for Giztop... That's where I saw the 512 Gig version that isn't even an option from the Canadian OnePlus store.... Not sure what the customs import fees/taxes are.... Thanks for sharing.
Hey Guys,
I preordered OnePlus 11 but i am getting confused if i should buy S23 which is like 120$ more in my country. I have small hands. S23 seems light and small which is perfect for my hands. My worry is with small 3900 mah battery. Did anyone know about recent flagships if OneUI or their software degrade or ****ed up battery too much in one year. I would like to use the phone for atleast 3 to 4 years. I also see development is not good for recent Oneplus devices vs zero roms for samsung devices ( knox ****). Is there any chance if OP11 will have some hope for development ?
Or if i am going to use stock rom provided by one plus or samsung then s23 is the better option ?
vikas776 said:
Hey Guys,
I preordered OnePlus 11 but i am getting confused if i should buy S23 which is like 120$ more in my country. I have small hands. S23 seems light and small which is perfect for my hands. My worry is with small 3900 mah battery. Did anyone know about recent flagships if OneUI or their software degrade or ****ed up battery too much in one year. I would like to use the phone for atleast 3 to 4 years. I also see development is not good for recent Oneplus devices vs zero roms for samsung devices ( knox ****). Is there any chance if OP11 will have some hope for development ?
Or if i am going to use stock rom provided by one plus or samsung then s23 is the better option ?
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Sounds like you already have all the answers. Worse phone but pay more and fit better in small hand. Your decision?
wugga3 said:
Thanks for the heads up for Giztop... That's where I saw the 512 Gig version that isn't even an option from the Canadian OnePlus store.... Not sure what the customs import fees/taxes are.... Thanks for sharing.
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Please be careful. Chinese version missing several North America bands.
Guyinlaca said:
Guessing by how they had to slash the prices of the OnePlus 9 Pro and 10 Pro, at least in the US, the high end brand recognition is failing here. The OnePlus 10 Pro crashed from $1069 for the top spec model to the current of about $600. They lost many early sales to Samsung and Google that could be had cheap with carrier deals. They were smart to release the OnePlus 11 at the lower prices to start, but lack of being sold by carriers is probably going to further hurt brand recognition. It would not be surprising for OnePlus to shift its focus to foldables and the budget market. As Apple proved with the 14 and 14 Plus, the market for mid range is shrinking, as most want either high end or the cheapest thing they can get.
That said, the OnePlus 11 is definitely the most exciting phone they've released in a long time and has the potential to improve if they refine OxygenOS. Where the 9 Pro and 10 Pro were your typical annual processor bumps, the 11 brings a much more efficient processor, UFS 4 storage, Wifi 7, an improved camera, and more efficient screen. Also, many comparisons have been made to the Pixel 7 Pro. Yes, it has a cleaner software experience and better camera, wireless charging, but the slower, inefficient processor and slightly inferior modem definitely make the Pixel 7 Pro feel more upper mid range than high end. The Pixel 7 Pro is all about software, where the OnePlus 11 is top notch hardware. The biggest mystery is why wireless charging was left out on the 11, especially when it would have boosted accessory sales.
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IF OnePlus Fold later this year is faultless, 11 be my last single screen phone (and the tablet seems attractive)- esp because trade-in 11 will make Fold \ Tablet real affordable.
I agree with you Fold is the future, even for tablets- really looking forward to it.
I disagree about wireless charging- anchors one too much to specific location \ charges slower \ easier to steal or forget \ stops charging if you need to grab and use.
Maybe it's that I use it & move around excessively...
wugga3 said:
Thanks for the heads up for Giztop... That's where I saw the 512 Gig version that isn't even an option from the Canadian OnePlus store.... Not sure what the customs import fees/taxes are.... Thanks for sharing.
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Do the math.. What is VAT in Canada? For me is 19% . And if there are other taxes.
And if you have 110v wall socket if it charges with 100w.