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Commercial name: HTC Trophy (HTC 7)
Codename: Spark
Specifications:
WVGA screen
8-Megapixel camera
1GHz Snapdragon processor (QSD8250)
3G Network: HSDPA 900 / 2100
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I have to confess, unless you're talking about the 8 MP camera, I don't see anything that was unknown from earlier leaks. Is that what you're referring to, or am I missing something obvious?
Also, I'd recommend taking down the second image. The name of the user logged in isn't blocked in that screenshot.
Cheers,
--VelJharig
Any more part numbers/models listed? Anything showing US models?
VelJharig said:
I have to confess, unless you're talking about the 8 MP camera, I don't see anything that was unknown from earlier leaks. Is that what you're referring to, or am I missing something obvious?
Also, I'd recommend taking down the second image. The name of the user logged in isn't blocked in that screenshot.
Cheers,
--VelJharig
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Thanks for the head up
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I only have access to the European portal atm.
Can't believe HTC uses the Q8250 which is now almost 100% confirmed.
Byebye HTC, never liked your phones anyway, they are crappy as phones. Pooooooooooor speakers, pooooooooor batterylife, poooooooooooooooor cameras, pooooooooooor reception.
All above is right compared to other brands, the 4 most important things in a phone aswell, bad bad.
This certainly doesn't look like they are shaping up
Edit: Either way, good find OP
I, for one, don't care what chip is in my phone as long as the outcome is good. From everything we've seen, the performance, including 3D Games, is pretty damn good.
RustyGrom said:
I, for one, don't care what chip is in my phone as long as the outcome is good. From everything we've seen, the performance, including 3D Games, is pretty damn good.
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But could have been better, as well as:
*Cheaper
*More energy efficient
*Newer
Why accept old "crap" in extremely expensive premium devices?
Mr.Sir said:
Can't believe HTC uses the Q8250 which is now almost 100% confirmed.
Byebye HTC, never liked your phones anyway, they are crappy as phones. Pooooooooooor speakers, pooooooooor batterylife, poooooooooooooooor cameras, pooooooooooor reception.
All above is right compared to other brands, the 4 most important things in a phone aswell, bad bad.
This certainly doesn't look like they are shaping up
Edit: Either way, good find OP
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I don't don't seem to understand why your angry at HTC and MS for using the Q8250 processor.
Think about it this way, That processor is the minimum hardware requirement for WP7, so every application and game will be optimized for all devices and developers can take full advantage of the hardware.
Now lets talk about Android fragmentation. Even if you get a Android device with a 2ghz processor and Froyo the applications won't take full advantage of you hardware. Why is that? Because there are Froyo devices on the market with 528mhz and 600mhz qualcomm processors.
Mr.Sir said:
But could have been better, as well as:
*Cheaper
*More energy efficient
*Newer
Why accept old "crap" in extremely expensive premium devices?
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Because it's not "ancient" or "crap" and will allow for devices to be cheaper than they otherwise would be.
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But could have been better, as well as:
*Cheaper
*More energy efficient
*Newer
Why accept old "crap" in extremely expensive premium devices?
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I also can't understand what is happening? It's one thing if HTC would have gone mad or something, but all leaks is pointing towards the QSD8250.
If you don't want a cheaper phone that preforms better and have a better battery time, it's up to you, but I want exactly that!
I hate to state the obvious but doesn't EVERY first gen wp7 device have the same qualcomm processor? strict hardware requirements anyone?
I mean if you knock htc for doing that you may as well knock everyone else for doing it. Fact is that's what microsoft specified for the first crop of devices
domineus said:
I hate to state the obvious but doesn't EVERY first gen wp7 device have the same qualcomm processor? strict hardware requirements anyone?
I mean if you knock htc for doing that you may as well knock everyone else for doing it. Fact is that's what microsoft specified for the first crop of devices
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Do you have a link? We're just complaining that all the leaks are leading to the first gen Qualcomm processor. You know, the one that was in the Toshiba TG-01 back in June 09, with the lacklustre Adreno 200 GPU. If it's the newer snapdragons with the Adreno205 GPU, then that'd be ALOT more acceptable for a current generation device.
In saying that, the Harvest game demo looks hot, but personally, i find it hard to believe that the Adreno200 is doing such good eye candy. I'd like to be proven wrong.
I'm still crossing my fingers that Samsung will have a hummingbird/SGX540 in theirs.
I just want to know what people are referencing to make them think the 8650 is cheaper than the 8250? I'm not buying that.
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I just want to know what people are referencing to make them think the 8650 is cheaper than the 8250? I'm not buying that.
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Dont know about cheaper, but it should be abit faster, and less power hungry giving better battery life, due to it being 45nm rather than 65nm. The real breaker is the GPU really. The Adreno 200 on the QSD8250 is like 1/3 the speed of the SGX540.
There are still rumours about that WP7 devices might have the QSD8250A processor @ 1.3ghz, so theres still hope.
Here's a list of Snapdragon CPU's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(processor)
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Dont know about cheaper, but it should be abit faster, and less power hungry giving better battery life, due to it being 45nm rather than 65nm. The real breaker is the GPU really. The Adreno 200 on the QSD8250 is like 1/3 the speed of the SGX540.
There are still rumours about that WP7 devices might have the QSD8250A processor @ 1.3ghz, so theres still hope.
Here's a list of Snapdragon CPU's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(processor)
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Well I get that but people are claiming that it's cheaper as well which seems highly unlikely to me. Maybe over time but not yet.
45nm parts are cheaper to make since they can fit more of them on a single wafer. I have no idea if they are sold cheaper or not to manufacturers but they are cheaper to make.
Op thanks for the look. You still need to remove the second pic as there is no information that isn't in the first except who is logged in.
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Because it's not "ancient" or "crap" and will allow for devices to be cheaper than they otherwise would be.
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I believe the 8255 is cheaper, because it's manufactured on a 45nm process instead of the 65nm. That means more chips per waffer = lower prices.
krjcook said:
I don't don't seem to understand why your angry at HTC and MS for using the Q8250 processor.
Think about it this way, That processor is the minimum hardware requirement for WP7, so every application and game will be optimized for all devices and developers can take full advantage of the hardware.
Now lets talk about Android fragmentation. Even if you get a Android device with a 2ghz processor and Froyo the applications won't take full advantage of you hardware. Why is that? Because there are Froyo devices on the market with 528mhz and 600mhz qualcomm processors.
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I partly agree, however:
Microsoft have said all phones will run all programs, no fragmentation. But we do know that if not the first wave uses the Adreno 205, the second one will. How long will the game developers care about the ones with the first Adreno 200 users?
After installing RSD Lite. I could see S Flash OMAP3630 after I plugin the defy via usb while the phone is on bootloader (Power+VolUp)
Does it mean the the defy has a OMAP3630 and not a 3610?
Yes, a lot of people says "that is an error!! DONT CARE!"
A loot of people says, no, other says yes, and motorola don't care about it...
But in my opinion have a 3630 ( not sure ).
I think thats what the driver say it is...
The only way to find out will be to install a 3610 driver specifically and try if PC recognizes this. Doesnt it make sense?
why motorola make a 3630 driver for a 3610 CPu?
no logic...
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why motorola make a 3630 driver for a 3610 CPu?
no logic...
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its an unified driver for the hole range of 36xx cpu's.
and in the other thread its come to the point it's a 3615 cpu with 3D but without 720p encoding/decoding ...
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its an unified driver for the hole range of 36xx cpu's.
and in the other thread its come to the point it's a 3615 cpu with 3D but without 720p encoding/decoding ...
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i know this thread (i contributed some posts myself) but when its a 3615 w 3d and w/o hd en/decoding, how come that it plays 720p content in mp4/h.264 like a charm?
source: http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Motorola-DEFY-Review_id2578/page/3
i think, we can't be shure until it the defy gets shred to pieces by ifixit or some other daredevil
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derbestimmer said:
i know this thread (i contributed some posts myself) but when its a 3615 w 3d and w/o hd en/decoding, how come that it plays 720p content in mp4/h.264 like a charm?
source: http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Motorola-DEFY-Review_id2578/page/3
i think, we can't be shure until it the defy gets shred to pieces by ifixit or some other daredevil
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Yes it's possible, but if the bit rate goes up 4mb/s, you can't play it.. why?
easy, the band width isn't sufficient, and phone overloads.
I thing a bitrate of 30000kbps it's ok, nothing more....
PD: srry for my bad english
the processor of defy is a Texas Instruments OMAP3630 because it included a POWERVR SGX graphics 530. POWERVR is recognized by Quadrant.
focus.ti.com/lit/ml/swpt024b/swpt024b.pdf
wwwimgtec.com/factsheets/powervr/POWERVR_SGX_Series5_IP_Core_Family.pdf
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its an unified driver for the hole range of 36xx cpu's.
and in the other thread its come to the point it's a 3615 cpu with 3D but without 720p encoding/decoding ...
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That's physically impossible!
Only 3630/3622 come with the package required for POP (stacked memory chip). If it is 361x, where is the memory chip? It's very hard to miss shuch a huge chip.
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the processor of defy is a Texas Instruments OMAP3630 because it included a POWERVR SGX graphics 530. POWERVR is recognized by Quadrant.
focus.ti.com/lit/ml/swpt024b/swpt024b.pdf
wwwimgtec.com/factsheets/powervr/POWERVR_SGX_Series5_IP_Core_Family.pdf
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No, that's an outdated presentation. In the latest (Nov. 2010) Technical Reference Manual, ALL 36xx variants have identical full speed GPUs.
So where can we find the Windows 7 drivers for this so I can get RSDLite working?
At the moment getting a msg indicating drivers are not installed??
Edit: used winxp machine. S/W issue at my end.
hi, i want do something on AM3703, it's same with omap 3630? thanks in advance!
I hope so ,but ,I don't believe it has the opma3630.may be there is an error on the software.If defy's cpu is 3630,it can be more attracktive!so,why moto didn't tell us it's cpu is 3630?
Believe what u want...it works...and it works great
Thats all that matters
When the Defy+ comes out, just benchmark it...surely a 3610 + kyro will be slightly less powerful than a 3630
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I hope so ,but ,I don't believe it has the opma3630.may be there is an error on the software.If defy's cpu is 3630,it can be more attracktive!so,why moto didn't tell us it's cpu is 3630?
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Same reason they used when they said it didn't have ANY Graphic Chip and the same one when they said the phone only had a 2 point Multitouch Screen.
I believe they limited the device softwarewise in order to strategise the launch of its successor Defy+ .
Why just not compare performance with phones for which we know they have 3630 for sure and then we will know
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Same reason they used when they said it didn't have ANY Graphic Chip and the same one when they said the phone only had a 2 point Multitouch Screen.
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Sounds like either moto has a plan and lied, or their spokes person havent a clue.
I vote for the latter...
i think defy's cpu is 3630.so defy+ update cpu to 3630 is a joke.
on http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2010 it states that the 8S has 1.50GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon S4, when the 8S actually has Qualcomm S4 1 GHz, Dual-core
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on http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2010 it states that the 8S has 1.50GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon S4, when the 8S actually has Qualcomm S4 1 GHz, Dual-core
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As far as i know the processor is the same like the one on the 8X only that it`s downclocked to 1Ghz.If i manage to find the article where i read this i will post it here.
Here are the current specs on gsmarena.
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As far as i know the processor is the same like the one on the 8X only that it`s downclocked to 1Ghz.If i manage to find the article where i read this i will post it here.
Here are the current specs on gsmarena.
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So probably is it possible to overclock the phone to 1.5GHz? If yes, can someone explain how?
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AndroidSLC50 said:
From what I have learned from Android, you can get it overclocked by installing a custom rom.
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Android overclocks with a custom kernel. Not sure how windows phones work when it boils down to the OS but if you can configure the deep, deep drivers within the windows phone you can probably overclock it much higher than 1.5 ghz.
My S3 has the same 1.5 S4 but its currently running at 2.1 ghz
I think it just might need a little time, but will come. Get some of the geniuses over here at XDA to help
AFAIK, not being a Windows Phone user, overclocking may be too tricky.
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So probably is it possible to overclock the phone to 1.5GHz? If yes, can someone explain how?
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Yes.There is always a chance to overclock the processor but as far as i know it is to early for this to be done.Only time will tell.
i know this sounds ridiculous i was wondering if even remotely possible with the finest engineers and a lot of cash how much would it cost me to upgrade the processor, RAM and internal memory of the xperia play?
now before you shoot this idea down i have been reading that theres some people out there with rework machines soldering and upgrading phone chips
Here's a example
now i know it sounds impossible but if this is possible i would pump out some SERIOUS cash to get this done. im sure some freelance engineer might know how.:fingers-crossed:
Impossible.
SoC....
System On Chip...
CPU, memory and graphic are actually one single chip. On xperia Play, it's Snapdragon MSM8255. It have Scorpion single-core CPU, Dual-channel 333 MHz LPDDR2 and Andreno 205 graphic. But it's still a single chip.
Mobile smartphone are NOT PC. they don't have separated CPU, memory and graphic. their's hardware are predesigned to match sertain SoC (only internal storage can vary between same SoC).
Maybe (and i repeat, maybe), theoreticly, internal storage can be expanded in a way of your idea...
Perhaps there's need to find another phone also with 1 integrated chip in the same matter but of higher specs
R800z
xdarkmario said:
Perhaps there's need to find another phone also with 1 integrated chip in the same matter but of higher specs
R800z
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I secretly wish they would make a full hd xperia play with a snapdragon 601 or maybe even better, a Tegra chip, top that off with 2gb ram and 16 gb internal memory and you really got a great gaming device.
maybe enough posting such useless hope posts?
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whatever, if you find device with same soc and more ram it may be possible. swapping nand or soc require new parts, that are pin-to-pin compatible, dont think that such exist through.
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I secretly wish they would make a full hd xperia play with a snapdragon 601 or maybe even better, a Tegra chip, top that off with 2gb ram and 16 gb internal memory and you really got a great gaming device.
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It's called an Nvidia Shield.
Nuck-TH said:
maybe enough posting such useless hope posts?
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Not useless post just making conversation and thoughts I mean if I seen another phone do it I'm curious to try it
Because unfortunately Sony's not one to listen to their users so all we can do is dream hope and modify
Nukkus said:
It's called an Nvidia Shield.
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Lol
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Nukkus said:
It's called an Nvidia Shield.
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I'm aware of the nvidia shield, thank you
It's too bulky though.
shaggydiamond said:
I'm aware of the nvidia shield, thank you
It's too bulky though.
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yea i wanted the nvidia shield but its entirely too huge 0__0 its more of a home console and for a android powered home console i would just get the ouya.
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I'm aware of the nvidia shield, thank you
It's too bulky though.
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So would be your dream device that you described.
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So would be your dream device that you described.
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don't get smart with me, kid.
I never specified any screen size or general size.
If the shield would have a design like the xplay, i'd get it
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don't get smart with me, kid.
I never specified any screen size or general size.
If the shield would have a design like the xplay, i'd get it
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Dude, do you know anything about design engineering? The hardware you posted needs significant size, the shield isn't bulky for the hell of it, it needs proper cooling and ventilation. And don't call me kid, i'm probably 20 years older than you at least.
These threads are ridiculous. Think or use google next time.
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These threads are ridiculous. Think or use google next time.
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That pretty much sums things up.
You would probably be better off modding a newer phones housing to fit a game pad and program the software for it
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You would probably be better off modding a newer phones housing to fit a game pad and program the software for it
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you know i was also thinking that, find a way to make the bottom half of the xperia play attachable on other phones and connect via bluetooth
but the idea of a boosted xperia play had more imagination lol
just killing time untill KitKat is mainstream on xperia play, im still dreaming...
Well your gunna need a lot of soldering skills and software development skills to mod a new chip in....remember that guy a long time ago that tried to solder a HDMI to his phone but he failed.....and to think that that was just HDMI not a whole new SoC
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Well your gunna need a lot of soldering skills and software development skills to mod a new chip in....remember that guy a long time ago that tried to solder a HDMI to his phone but he failed.....and to think that that was just HDMI not a whole new SoC
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The hardware was there if it was mounted correctly defiantly.
It just needed a good software implementation, something probably hard to do not to mention that'd there probably need to be big backend stuff done in the kernel e.t.c.
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That's why I would pay a phone engineer to do it. Or a ex Sony employee lol
Well upgrading xperia play should be theoretically possible. If the pinout of the more powerfull version of soc would match the pinout of the current soc it probably should work. However the only faster soc which pinout probably match with the current soc is MSM8255T but it is only 500 MHz overclocked version of the current chip. So performance gain would be marginal :/
Hi guys,
I've read in the Motorola forums (if you can call that mess a forum, ugh) that the Moto E 2nd Gen LTE "only" runs in 32-bit mode instead of 64-bit.
How can that be if the OS (Lollipop and Marshmallow) are both 64-bit OSs? Did Motorola exchange the kernel with a 32-bit one?
I get why they decided to let the phone run in 32- bit. Still, seems pretty odd to me to build a phone designed for a 64-bit OS and deliberately let it run in 32-bit mode.
Waste of potential, if you ask me.
Has someone more/better info on this?
Someone asked about it and got this answer:
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Does the Moto E LTE (2nd Gen.) run 64-bit Android or does it run 32-bit? The Snapdragon 410 is 64-bit compatible, however it can run in either mode. What is Motorola running on the Moto E LTE (2nd Gen.)?
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It runs 32-bit mode for best use of memory, compatibility and performance
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Damn, wrong forum. Sorry, guys. Can please move it to Q&A? Thanks!
I made a mistake. Thought Lollipop was a 64-bit OS, but it is 32-bit. Now it makes sense. My bad. Thread can be closed.
Both Lollipop and Marshmallow can be either 32 bit or 64 bit. In the case of Moto E, we use 32 bit mainly because of the lack of RAM (1GB).
While I agree with you that Snapdragon 410 was meant to be used with 64 bit OS, the performance difference between 32 bit and 64 bit would be very little (even if Moto E had 2GB RAM).
64 bit architectures were recently introduced to mobile devices in order to exceed the 3GB RAM wall. In other words a 32 bit OS (or CPU) can not handle more than 3GB of RAM.
To sum up, our Moto E will probably never get a 64 bit OS, because the performance will be much worse.
Thanks for the answer. That cleared up a lot of stuff. So when it runs on 32 bit will I still be able to experience the new features of ARMv8?
No because kernel is only armv7.
So it's totally pointless then to build a smartphone with a 64-bit CPU in this case *facepalm*
there is no other chip like that with 32 bit only, every sd410 phone with less than 2gb of ram is 32 bit only so it's not a bad decison. If cpu support something it doesn't mean that you will get that in low end phone.