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Hi,
I have a stock Wildfire which I'm perfectly happy with. However, over time I purchased a few apps from the market and would like to take a backup.
What can I do? My ideal would be a simple application with which to switch on/off root permissions before starting the backup process - read-only access to the system and data partition would be perfectly sufficient.
Is this possible? I read about Temp Root in the forums, but couldn't find a clear statement which way (if any) would work on the Wildfire. Also, is read-only root with access to all partitions even possible without flashing or do I need a custom ROM for this?
As I understand, another way would be to flash a new recovery image and use Nandroid backup. However, I'd rather avoid flashing anything.
I'd be glad if someone could give me a few pointers.
Get Visionary+. This app can do a temp root easily.
It's meant for Desire Z, but it still works. If you want permroot then use AlphaRevX instead, the method this app uses does not apply to Wildfire.
For backing up I would recommend Titanium Backup.
Why would you want to temproot anyway? You can use AlphaRevX to get S-OFF and flash custom ROMs.
If you want to do warranty return, just use a RUU tool. It clears everything back to factory state.
Just wondering why you want to backup the paid apps? Can't you just reinstall them when needed as your license is on your Google account right?
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YES, no need to backup the paid apps purchased from market.
Even after hard reset, if u use the same google market account to install those apps, ur licence should be back. Licence should be stored in your account AFAIK....
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If you want to do warranty return, just use a RUU tool. It clears everything back to factory state.
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A ruu doesn't reset the s-off state! The only way you can flash a new hboot is when it has a version higher the the 6.x hboot that alpharevx puts on your phone. It just like htc's hboot: you cannot downgrade it.
If you want s-on again, you need a tool from AlphaRev that does it for you. But I don't know if that is released yet.
bharatgaddameedi said:
YES, no need to backup the paid apps purchased from market.
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It is? Super, somehow it never occured to me that the purchase could be tied to the account instead of to the phone. Thanks for the hint!
That solves my immediate problem, I guess I can forgo a backup then.
What would happen if I entered the same googlemail-account into a new phone: Would the old one be deactivated then? One might want to use the same mail account on two or more phones. Would he then also get access to all of the applications on all phones, or would it simply not work at all?
Even after hard reset, if u use the same google market account to install those apps, ur licence should be back. Licence should be stored in your account AFAIK....
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I never entered a "google market account" ID, I guess my googlemail-account (which I created on setting up the phone for the first time) was used for that automatically. Or has such an account been automatically created for me without any further prompting?
Regards,
150d
xc1024 said:
Get Visionary+. This app can do a temp root easily.
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Thanks, I'll remember that.
Why would you want to temproot anyway? You can use AlphaRevX to get S-OFF and flash custom ROMs.
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That's just it: the phone is working great, I'm really not missing anything. I wouldn't even know what to use root for. ;-)
On the other hand, I have a little experience with cooked ROMs from my previous phone, a WM-based Kaiser. Granted the two might not be directly comparable, but back then I had a lot of issues with stability, working-but-not-perfect bootloader, GPS sensitivity, radio ROMs...
I'd rather not take any chances now, at least not until I have a good reason to do so.
Regards,
150d
150d said:
On the other hand, I have a little experience with cooked ROMs from my previous phone, a WM-based Kaiser. Granted the two might not be directly comparable, but back then I had a lot of issues with stability, working-but-not-perfect bootloader, GPS sensitivity, radio ROMs...
I'd rather not take any chances now, at least not until I have a good reason to do so.
Regards,
150d
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And it always should be this way this wilfire forum is getting stalked by people who want root and new ROMs, but i'll bet that most of them will be satisfied with the stock one.
The only reason why you should root is to install usefull apps that requier root (like titanium backup) and to install new ROMs. Those roms provide updates that htc disable for us: gingerbread should be more powerfull and JIT, something that can make your phone two to three times faster, is disabled because sense can't handle it. But you are right: custom roms will never be bugg free. But on the other hand, the stock rom isn't bugg free as well
Altough I'm on the stock rom ATM, I will change if I have the time. "Basic" things like gps and stuff will work on most roms (unless reported otherwise), so you do not have to be afraid of that. The most problematic things can always be solved, but most of the time it requiers a lot of time untill you have figured out what exactly you should do to solve your problem. So do not try to change rom if you do not have the time for it.
To finalize this off topic statement: it is usefull to gain root: you can do much more with it than just "flash roms". But it absorbs a lot of time, and you shouldn't start with it if you do not have any. But when you commit yourself to it, you will gain a lot.
Erwin
150d said:
What would happen if I entered the same googlemail-account into a new phone: Would the old one be deactivated then? One might want to use the same mail account on two or more phones. Would he then also get access to all of the applications on all phones, or would it simply not work at all?
I never entered a "google market account" ID, I guess my googlemail-account (which I created on setting up the phone for the first time) was used for that automatically. Or has such an account been automatically created for me without any further prompting?
Regards,
150d
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Don't know about that thing. They shouldn't be discussed too anyway. But I strongly think that google knows the device identity of the market attached account.
Yes, google account / gmail account / maket account all are the same.
edit : And better not to speak about cooked roms untill u check them. There are many people pretty much satisfied with those.
ErwinP said:
And it always should be this way this wilfire forum is getting stalked by people who want root and new ROMs, but i'll bet that most of them will be satisfied with the stock one.
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I saw a TV spot when the first iPad was released. They interviewed a guy waiting in line in front of an Apple store for why he wanted an iPad. He said: "I don't even know what it is, but I'm sure I need it!"
One can only wish for customers like that!
Those roms provide updates that htc disable for us: gingerbread should be more powerfull and JIT, something that can make your phone two to three times faster, is disabled because sense can't handle it.
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I didn't know that. Yes, sometimes I do wish it would be quicker to handle, I have a feeling that sometimes the CPU is maxed out so it can't handle the touch screen any more. But to me it's only a minor hassle.
To finalize this off topic statement: it is usefull to gain root: you can do much more with it than just "flash roms". But it absorbs a lot of time...
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I believe it, both of it. I've owned the phone for about half a year now and I'm still adjusting to how much more it can do for me than my old phone could. It goes beyond just having an application to do some job - it all is much more "usable" than before. But I can really, really not imagine what else I would like to do with the phone. Maybe there is something that I can't even think of now, but so far... ;-)
Regards,
150d
Hello,
Is it possible to "lock" the bootloader?
Example; You have an app like Prey on your phone, you don't want that to be deleted when your phone is stolen. So in the bootloader/recovery you set a password so others can't just flash any rom they want. In this way the person who has stolen/found your device he/she can't do anything with it, since when it is powered on you know where it is and when it's off he/she can't do anything with it
yes, S-ON
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bortak said:
yes, S-ON
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wtf?
Did you know what you posted? Did you even read my post?
With S-ON you can still flash roms if you have root..
Bertjj said:
wtf?
Did you know what you posted? Did you even read my post?
With S-ON you can still flash roms if you have root..
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Ehhh calm down he is trying to help, be appreciative!
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Not really, but this is interesting:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1167089
I tried to port it to latest cwm, but when I got into the encrypt menu, it kicked me out to the main menu again.
Dev is working on a device independant port though so may aswell just wait for that.
It encrypts the data partition so they wont get to your data or remove your apps without a password. I guess they can still wipe data though as its only the loop file in data thats encrypted.
But maybe the password protection can be added to other menus to in recovery.
Although how you'd stop them flashing an alternative recovery is beyond me.
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Not really, but this is interesting:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1167089
I tried to port it to latest cwm, but when I got into the encrypt menu, it kicked me out to the main menu again.
Dev is working on a device independant port though so may aswell just wait for that.
It encrypts the data partition so they wont get to your data or remove your apps without a password. I guess they can still wipe data though as its only the loop file in data thats encrypted.
But maybe the password protection can be added to other menus to in recovery.
Although how you'd stop them flashing an alternative recovery is beyond me.
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That's pretty nice, maybe it will be implemented in some custom recoverys
You can stop flashing custom recovery by locking the bootloader, but that will be very hard to do, i think. I was just curious if it was possible
Bertjj said:
That's pretty nice, maybe it will be implemented in some custom recoverys
You can stop flashing custom recovery by locking the bootloader, but that will be very hard to do, i think. I was just curious if it was possible
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Not until you can find another paranoid Dev..
TouchPal-d from my Desire running Supernova Extreme Rom - 450 apps and counting. .
"Not until you can find another paranoid Dev.."
I would not call such a Dev paranoid but something like "serious", "responsible", "trustworthy", "well-respected" or simply "grown up".
I really HATE that Android is only for kids and nerds. For these kind of people the most important thing is another instable custom rom that makes them flash happy, a new theme with pink live bubbles or a crack for Adult Angry Birds.
It's a shame that you cannot safely store data on your phone.
S-on + no_root + disable usb debug + put a password = ur data safe
If someone stolen ur phone, he can only format it, but ur data is safe
(note that all that security things are included in the stock rom, if you want ur data be safe then why did you root? With root every app potentially can stolen every data from ur phone)
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I really HATE that Android is only for kids and nerds. For these kind of people the most important thing is another instable custom rom that makes them flash happy, a new theme with pink live bubbles or a crack for Adult Angry Birds.
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I can't even fathom how ridiculous that statement is.
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"S-on + no_root + disable usb debug + put a password = ur data safe
If someone stolen ur phone, he can only format it, but ur data is safe
(note that all that security things are included in the stock rom, if you want ur data be safe then why did you root? With root every app potentially can stolen every data from ur phone)
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Nice. I guess, I bought the wrong phone (w/o S-on). Like 20 million other people...
EDIT: Seriously. I have a Galaxy S. Never heard before about S-on. Never saw a review of a HTC phone mentioning S-on. If it is really true that HTC phones are secure, I can only envy you.
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"S-on + no_root + disable usb debug + put a password = ur data safe
If someone stolen ur phone, he can only format it, but ur data is safe
(note that all that security things are included in the stock rom, if you want ur data be safe then why did you root? With root every app potentially can stolen every data from ur phone)
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Nice. I guess, I bought the wrong phone (w/o S-on). Like 20 million other people...
EDIT: Seriously. I have a Galaxy S. Never heard before about S-on. Never saw a review of a HTC phone mentioning S-on. If it is really true that HTC phones are secure, I can only envy you.
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You are completely miss-informed.. S-on mean security on = bootloader locked.. I told about s-on because we are in the htc desire forum...... What you doing here with a galaxy s? Go ask in the right forum
Any phone with the stock rom (without root things etc ) is secure
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"Not until you can find another paranoid Dev.."
I really HATE that Android is only for kids and nerds. For these kind of people the most important thing is another instable custom rom that makes them flash happy, a new theme with pink live bubbles or a crack for Adult Angry Birds.
It's a shame that you cannot safely store data on your phone.
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I can barely fathom how absolutely retarded this statement is. I can only make out that the only phone for you is the iPhone - you can't do [email protected] all with that so I'm pretty sure it's a perfect match..
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I can't even fathom how ridiculous that statement is.
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+1
andQlimax said:
S-on + no_root + disable usb debug + put a password = ur data safe
If someone stolen ur phone, he can only format it, but ur data is safe
(note that all that security things are included in the stock rom, if you want ur data be safe then why did you root? With root every app potentially can stolen every data from ur phone)
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THANK YOU!
-Tiz- said:
Nice. I guess, I bought the wrong phone (w/o S-on). Like 20 million other people...
EDIT: Seriously. I have a Galaxy S. Never heard before about S-on. Never saw a review of a HTC phone mentioning S-on. If it is really true that HTC phones are secure, I can only envy you.
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if you have the Galaxy S then why are you complaining about having S-OFF on the HTC Desire forum?
HTC Desire ≠Samsung Galaxy S
To all those rednecks who like to f*ck around and be retarded: no need to further discuss.
Obviously, I did not come here to complain about HTC (or buy a DRM-infested iphone). By contrast, I used the search and found this and many similar topics. Usually people say that there is no solution and you have to live with the insecurity.
This is the only topic where people say their phone is secure.
With respect to the Galaxy S...it's very easy to crack it. Just enter into download mode and flash a CWM custom kernel with ODIN. The bootloader is not password protected so there is nothing you can do about it. If you have installed CWM...it's even easier because there is also no password protection. It seems that HTC phones may be more secure (as I said the Galaxy S does not have S-on AFAIK). I am merely surprised that this HTC feature was never mentioned in reviews etc. I would have bought an HTC phone if it is really true that they cannot be easily cracked.
the Security flag (S-ON) is merely there to make life hard for anyone who wants to do anything with android development on the phone, not to protect you.
Leaving the phone S-OFF is a marketing strategy, picture it this way - you like android, you're interested in android development, there are a lot more different ROMs for your phone because it's factory S-OFF, and there are no hiccups when it comes to android development and that phone, then in contrast you have a locked-down phone which tries it's damned hardest to keep you out, making life hard for devs, therefore less stuff available for you. Which one do you buy?
Rooter or not rooter
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Rooted is better if you know how to use a rooted phone. If he has no idea than he may just mess his phone up.
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if he doesnt want to root.. then let him be, he'll just be missing out.
I rooted to get the latest firmware [in canada it goes through samsung womp-womp ] and to get some extra customization out of my phone. It can give a phone the extra features you might feel are missing.
I always root my androids except my nexus's I rarely root them and as of now haven't my gnex
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if he doesnt want to root.. then let him be, he'll just be missing out.
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This! If he sees the pros + cons then decides he doesn't want it, then he shouldn't. You're a bad friend if you force him to do something he's not comfortable with to his phone.
AndreaCristiano said:
I always root my androids except my nexus's I rarely root them and as of now haven't my gnex
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Same. Loving my GNex bone stock.
lazcoreaedu said:
Hey guys I'm trying to convince my buddy that root is the way to go, I myself have my phone rooted and wouldn't go back to stock for any reasons, I've told him why he should go with root but he just wants some more opinions, so please can you give us your 2 cent on what's better rooted or not rooted?
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Regardless of whether he ultimately wants to root or not - make sure that even if it's remotely on the radar that he unlocks the BOOTLOADER as soon as he gets the phone.
Unlocking the bootloader wipes the ENTIRE phone (SD card partition and all) so it's something to do before anything else.
With the ability to subsequently make backups, rooting can easily come later.
It's rather simple:
If you don't know why you want root, you don't need root.
Valynor said:
It's rather simple:
If you don't know why you want root, you don't need root.
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I was going to say the same.
If he doesn't want/know then he SHOULDN'T cause he could end up with a bricked phone.
There's absolutely no reason to try to convince your friend, you're doing a disservice.
Murphy's law says he'll end up bricking it.
Unless you enjoy modding and willing to take the risk, let them use it stock - it's far more stable anyway.
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It's rather simple:
If you don't know why you want root, you don't need root.
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My thoughts exactly!
If your friend doesn't want it, he didn't need it. Eot.
And since you seem confused and mixing terms.... You can still be on stock while rooted.
You can even run a custom firmware without being rooted/having root.
Rooted merely means having local admin rights on the OS you are currently running. Custom firmware or not us entirely unrelated.
On most Samsung phones you don't even need to root to load custom ROMs, because they have open bootloaders. They're is no real relation between these terms which you are mixing.
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You can root the factory image so he'll still be stock with root. It'd best to root in case he wants future access for whatever, for example titanium backup would let him backup all his data, needs root. There are a milkion reasons to need root for very basic things.
Steal his phone, root it, install aokp/franco/theme and be like I dunno.. It just said update and I clicked yes, sorry bro.
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RogerPodacter said:
You can root the factory image so he'll still be stock with root. It'd best to root in case he wants future access for whatever, for example titanium backup would let him backup all his data, needs root. There are a milkion reasons to need root for very basic things.
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But if the guy doesn't want to use any of those things, there's no need to root it in the first place. If he doesn't see the value in it right now theres no need to force him into it. Rooting because you think he'll want it later in the future makes no sense.
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Steal his phone, root it, install aokp/franco/theme and be like I dunno.. It just said update and I clicked yes, sorry bro.
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What a stupid suggestion.
ChongoDroid said:
Steal his phone, root it, install aokp/franco/theme and be like I dunno.. It just said update and I clicked yes, sorry bro.
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this was my thought too!
At least let him figure out how to do it himself. If he figures it out. It might be for him. Let him do it via fast boot commands. Not one click.
I remember fist time rooting. I only had to press "root" in an app, and I ended up messing my sgs i9000 up completely. I had to learn everything the hard way. The right way. You should never do anything to your phone, unless you know how to get back to where you were.
So basically I want to rom my phone with the AOPK Jellybean rom. But i'm worried if I lose my IMEI number. There anything I can do to make sure I wont lose my IMEI number?
rayoubi said:
So basically I want to rom my phone with the AOPK Jellybean rom. But i'm worried if I lose my IMEI number. There anything I can do to make sure I wont lose my IMEI number?
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Buy a scratch & win lotto ticket. If you lose, go ahead and flash.
As of right now some simple steps would be being in the OTA update UCLG1 having a SV05 and having TWRP (team win recovery project) instead of CWM. The number of users experiencing this issue is very low. If your in the 30 day return period I advise doing some testing because its less of a hassle going to a store for an exchange instead of sending it away.
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Buy a scratch & win lotto ticket. If you lose, go ahead and flash.
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What are you trying to say? lol
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As of right now some simple steps would be being in the OTA update UCLG1 having a SV05 and having TWRP (team win recovery project) instead of CWM. The number of users experiencing this issue is very low. If your in the 30 day return period I advise doing some testing because its less of a hassle going to a store for an exchange instead of sending it away.
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So I should use team win recovery project instead of CWR, because it would lower my chances? I don't wanna take any chances I guess i'll be stock until we find a real solution. I don't feel like bricking my $600+ device.
Yes twrp and no flash root gtg
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What are you trying to say? lol
So I should use team win recovery project instead of CWR, because it would lower my chances? I don't wanna take any chances I guess i'll be stock until we find a real solution. I don't feel like bricking my $600+ device.
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Its a issue affecting a small amount of people there's a very high chance that you might not get it. I was scared to but I said screw it I'm going to find out if my phone has it, if it does ill just exchange it better now than later on when my return period is up.
No one with baseband version of UCLG1 has lost it neither with TWRP and UCLG1.
If you wanna try it download the OTA from your phone(using software update on device itself). Root using no trip method and instead pushing CWM use TWRP. Flash and see what happens.
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Yes twrp and no flash root gtg
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no flash root?
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Its a issue affecting a small amount of people there's a very high chance that you might not get it. I was scared to but I said screw it I'm going to find out if my phone has it, if it does ill just exchange it better now than later on when my return period is up.
No one with baseband version of UCLG1 has lost it neither with TWRP and UCLG1.
If you wanna try it download the OTA from your phone(using software update on device itself). Root using no trip method and instead pushing CWM use TWRP. Flash and see what happens.
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I actually did root my phone with the toolkit the day I got my phone. I got a OTA update yesterday but I choosed to ignore it because I was afraid to lose my root. I do have CWR already installed but I guess I might as well use TWRP.
No trip root lol and yes twrp I have been through all roms and stock and just fine
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No trip root lol and yes twrp I have been through all roms and stock and just fine
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i'm sorry what does no trip root mean from just normal root. im a noob i know.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1739426
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And here is twrp method use goo app it's way easier imo
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1793224
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rayoubi said:
no flash root?
I actually did root my phone with the toolkit the day I got my phone. I got a OTA update yesterday but I choosed to ignore it because I was afraid to lose my root. I do have CWR already installed but I guess I might as well use TWRP.
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Use OTA root keeper it should keep it.
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And here is twrp method use goo app it's way easier imo
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1793224
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+1 Definitely the easiest way.
I was scared too man. I really was. This thing cost me an arm and a leg, its like the nicest thing I own and I never want to put it in dangers way. Plus if I had to pay out of pocket, I wouldn't be able to replace it for 2 months, and it would eat up all my pleasure money.
But you know what, I hate touchwiz. I hate the menus, I hate its goofy sounds and stuff. The stock keyboard is ridiculous.The battery life was really good though. I know I could of changed the launcher and some other stuff but I am really into running my devices lean and mean. This is just a thing, a mentality I guess.
I decided that at best I can provide some information to the community and possibly work with other people and get this figured out. Everyone being scared is going to ruin the test pool because we don't get the scope of info we need to really get analytical about it. At worst, well I have documented everything I've done so far and can reproduce any partition pre-flashing needed. If we all end up with phones with imeis missing in the first 30 days, and all take them back to att because "I don't know I just don't get 4g anymore", we can possibly force att and Samsung to look more in-depth And possibly give a fix.
If anything early is the time to flash if you are looking to get your hands dirty, and be fine with learning some things along the way. I spent a good 2 weeks just learning everything I could about the issue, my phone, just got real intimate with the thing XD. Once I felt comfortable that I have done everything in my power to prepare for the worse, I rooted with the "no trip" method and then installed busy box, and then goomanager from the play store. From there just go to options and then hit open recovery and it automatically detects your device and installs.
Just remember, this is a brand new device running brand new software. All of this is experimental and the fact any of it works, let alone as well as it does is amazing. I'm running aokp rc2 right now and its pretty impressive. There's some weird haptic bugs and I'm noticing that my signal strength is not even close to what it was stock. This is disappointing and o don't understand why this is. As far as I understand I'm still on the same modem? All I've done is flashed aokp and cm10 ROMs. I'm getting about 107db right now and it keeps switching from HSDPA to HSDPA +. So when I load a page, it will be slow till the HSDPA + kicks in, then it will go back down to HSDPA and loose signal strength, almost like it "cranks up" when data is being used? Anyways yea its fun and I totally understand why you want to, but bit expect it to be like 1000x better right now. But if you are down contribute either info, donate to devs, try things, send files/screenshots then come join the fun!
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rakhov said:
I was scared too man. I really was. This thing cost me an arm and a leg, its like the nicest thing I own and I never want to put it in dangers way. Plus if I had to pay out of pocket, I wouldn't be able to replace it for 2 months, and it would eat up all my pleasure money.
But you know what, I hate touchwiz. I hate the menus, I hate its goofy sounds and stuff. The stock keyboard is ridiculous.The battery life was really good though. I know I could of changed the launcher and some other stuff but I am really into running my devices lean and mean. This is just a thing, a mentality I guess.
I decided that at best I can provide some information to the community and possibly work with other people and get this figured out. Everyone being scared is going to ruin the test pool because we don't get the scope of info we need to really get analytical about it. At worst, well I have documented everything I've done so far and can reproduce any partition pre-flashing needed. If we all end up with phones with imeis missing in the first 30 days, and all take them back to att because "I don't know I just don't get 4g anymore", we can possibly force att and Samsung to look more in-depth And possibly give a fix.
If anything early is the time to flash if you are looking to get your hands dirty, and be fine with learning some things along the way. I spent a good 2 weeks just learning everything I could about the issue, my phone, just got real intimate with the thing XD. Once I felt comfortable that I have done everything in my power to prepare for the worse, I rooted with the "no trip" method and then installed busy box, and then goomanager from the play store. From there just go to options and then hit open recovery and it automatically detects your device and installs.
Just remember, this is a brand new device running brand new software. All of this is experimental and the fact any of it works, let alone as well as it does is amazing. I'm running aokp rc2 right now and its pretty impressive. There's some weird haptic bugs and I'm noticing that my signal strength is not even close to what it was stock. This is disappointing and o don't understand why this is. As far as I understand I'm still on the same modem? All I've done is flashed aokp and cm10 ROMs. I'm getting about 107db right now and it keeps switching from HSDPA to HSDPA +. So when I load a page, it will be slow till the HSDPA + kicks in, then it will go back down to HSDPA and loose signal strength, almost like it "cranks up" when data is being used? Anyways yea its fun and I totally understand why you want to, but bit expect it to be like 1000x better right now. But if you are down contribute either info, donate to devs, try things, send files/screenshots then come join the fun!
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I'm holding out on AOKP until it comes out of preview builds, don't like being a guinea pig.
My experience:
Used the root without tripping flashcounter method.
Used adb to install CWM (the touch version for AT&T, not the teamepic one)
Have flashed custom ROMs, Kernels, and mods.
Absolutely no problems.
Just make sure to download the .zip files that are specific to your device, make nandroids, and have fun!
kswa1987 said:
My experience:
Used the root without tripping flashcounter method.
Used adb to install CWM (the touch version for AT&T, not the teamepic one)
Have flashed custom ROMs, Kernels, and mods.
Absolutely no problems.
Just make sure to download the .zip files that are specific to your device, make nandroids, and have fun!
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And avoid anything marked 'preview' or 'nightly'. (IMHO)
rayoubi said:
So basically I want to rom my phone with the AOPK Jellybean rom. But i'm worried if I lose my IMEI number. There anything I can do to make sure I wont lose my IMEI number?
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I followed this method-- http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-s3-sgh-i747-att-root-99789/
Using Odin to install ClockWorkMod and then flashed the updated version of ClockWorkMod via Rom Manager & installed CM10... No issues. I've use this method 4 times now on two different S3's with no issues & IMEI still intact.
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Its a issue affecting a small amount of people there's a very high chance that you might not get it. I was scared to but I said screw it I'm going to find out if my phone has it, if it does ill just exchange it better now than later on when my return period is up.
No one with baseband version of UCLG1 has lost it neither with TWRP and UCLG1.
If you wanna try it download the OTA from your phone(using software update on device itself). Root using no trip method and instead pushing CWM use TWRP. Flash and see what happens.
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I'm a Telus user up here in the great white north (canada) and my baseband is LE8 and the kernel date back to may20th.. I made a topic earlier in the international thread about a hiss/static noise problem and a helper told me to flash a new rom as my current baseband is old and he had problems with this baseband/firmware.
I'm so confused, ROMS are just different type of "OS" right? I mean if I want to officially update my firmware I gotta go through the Samsung procedure? (If I update while rooted, I'll lose root right?).
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I'm a Telus user up here in the great white north (canada) and my baseband is LE8 and the kernel date back to may20th.. I made a topic earlier in the international thread about a hiss/static noise problem and a helper told me to flash a new rom as my current baseband is old and he had problems with this baseband/firmware.
I'm so confused, ROMS are just different type of "OS" right? I mean if I want to officially update my firmware I gotta go through the Samsung procedure? (If I update while rooted, I'll lose root right?).
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I rooted LE8 with the snap dragon method then flashed cm9.. then flashed cm10 then nandroided back to cm9 then flashed LG1 from androiduser.. and my imei is still intact.. I think losing the imei is totally random in my opinion
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I'm a Telus user up here in the great white north (canada) and my baseband is LE8 and the kernel date back to may20th.. I made a topic earlier in the international thread about a hiss/static noise problem and a helper told me to flash a new rom as my current baseband is old and he had problems with this baseband/firmware.
I'm so confused, ROMS are just different type of "OS" right? I mean if I want to officially update my firmware I gotta go through the Samsung procedure? (If I update while rooted, I'll lose root right?).
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Roms can update your firmware it all depends on what stock version their based on.
Most of the time you will find a root injected rom lets say its le9 with this you would just have to flash it through cwm/twrp. Instant firmware update without loosing root.
Then flash any rom based on it.
Plus theres a niffty app called OTA root keeper. Get OTA without loosing root.
Anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on something.
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I've been rooting since OG Evo days, but only played with that, the s2, and s3. Rooting was easy as pie. But with all this knox stuff I'm wary.
I recently read reports of people sending in their phones to both Samsung and tmobile and getting it back with knox restored but still maintaining sim unlocks. So obviously it's a well kept firmware they flash or perhaps signatures.
This in mind I used kingoapp, and root was easy. Just decline the recovery install and you'll maintain 0x0. But after this new information I'm still worried to trip knox for fear those restores we're just a fluke.
Anybody have luck with safestrap? I heard/read it doesn't replace recovery so it also won't trip knox? Also, as long as I don't flash kernels or recovery I'll be good right? Like i can delete bloat or install at root level to /system and I'll be fine?
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Naturesretard said:
I've been rooting since OG Evo days, but only played with that, the s2, and s3. Rooting was easy as pie. But with all this knox stuff I'm wary.
I recently read reports of people sending in their phones to both Samsung and tmobile and getting it back with knox restored but still maintaining sim unlocks. So obviously it's a well kept firmware they flash or perhaps signatures.
This in mind I used kingoapp, and root was easy. Just decline the recovery install and you'll maintain 0x0. But after this new information I'm still worried to trip knox for fear those restores we're just a fluke.
Anybody have luck with safestrap? Also, as long as I don't flash kernels or recovery I'll be good right? Like i can delete bloat or install at root level to /system and I'll be fine?
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As long as you just root it nothing happens system will be fine .... Plssss hit thanksss.....
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pvinayraju2k4 said:
As long as you just root it nothing happens system will be fine .... Plssss hit thanksss.....
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Thanks for the info. However in the future there's no need to request we thank. I've learned most people here on xda thank quite often, myself included.
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Naturesretard said:
Thanks for the info. However in the future there's no need to request we thank. I've learned most people here on xda thank quite often, myself included.
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First off, the above poster is wrong... can't believe he asks for a thank. When you install a custom recovery, that is when you trip Knox. There a method to install a custom ROM w/o a recovery using Mobile Odin Pro. I know nothing about that but have read here that it works. You just can't flash custom kernel. I went ahead and flash a custom recovery because I don't care about Knox and will never send this phone to Samsung for warranty repair.
asianflavor said:
First off, the above poster is wrong... can't believe he asks for a thank. When you install a custom recovery, that is when you trip Knox. There a method to install a custom ROM w/o a recovery using Mobile Odin Pro. I know nothing about that but have read here that it works. You just can't flash custom kernel. I went ahead and flash a custom recovery because I don't care about Knox and will never send this phone to Samsung for warranty repair.
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Just the fact most of us have insurance plans; if we discover a problem such as faulty gps or screen displacement, etc, tmobile fixes it for us anyway, right?
So it really doesn't matter if we trip knox, correct???
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Naturesretard said:
Just the fact most of us have insurance plans; if we discover a problem such as faulty gps or screen displacement, etc, tmobile fixes it for us anyway, right?
So it really doesn't matter if we trip knox, correct???
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From everything I read, yes.
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asianflavor said:
First off, the above poster is wrong...
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He's not wrong. There are a couple different methods of rooting that don't require a custom recovery, therefore don't trip Knox.
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From everything I read, yes.
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I guess I shouldn't bother with safestrap then. Was planning on trying to pay off the note 3 and keep it anyway instead of jumping again this year.
Either way it won't matter...until I do eventually get a new handset but even then I know enough about rooting I shouldn't need to repair this one once paid off and detached from my account.
my next question is then should I TWRP or cwm? I tried CWM for the first time since gingerbread on my s3 and fell in love with it
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Hey Nature! just wanted to add my 0.02, ok theres a difference between rooting, and a difference between flashing recoveries,kernels,roms,and what have you.
ill give a brief explanation in the differences. The Colors of the titles indicate how safe/dangerous it is to modify one of these things and wether it will void your warranty, Green=Wont void your warranty, and easily reversible. Orange=Void Warranty, Reversible, But starting to get Dangerous, Red=Definitely VVoids Warranty, and if screwed up, could ruin/brick your devvice Definitely Voids Warranty, and if screwed up, could ruin/brick your devvice
Rooting: When you are rooting your device, you are basically forcing your stock version of android to allow you (the user) root access, therefore allowing you to bypass/allow signature verification for apps, now this could be anything from homebrew apps that you are making yourself...to the naughty pirated apps, and i dont encourage the latter. By giving yourself root access to your phone, your allowing the next to happen:
Flashing a Custom Recovery: Ok ill explain this as simple as i can...Mostly all if not ALL android phones have a stock recovery, this is a safeguard in case some kind of software fault happened in the phone(stock software fault or what have you). Flashing a custom recovery would be your next step after Rooting a device (IF) you want to go further than apps, meaning Kernels, Roms etc. Now the reason you must Root your device in order to install a custom recovery, is because like explained above signature verification....Now this is when you begin to tread in warranty territory, once flashing a custom recovery...your warranty has become VOID, however what the custom recovery allows you to do is a multitude of things, but the most major is Flashing .ZIP files, which most roms are in the form of, now not only Roms are in ZIP files, so are kernels,mods,baseband firmwares, etc, with that being said, different phones/devices use different methods of flashing roms, lets say for example you somehow screwed something up on a samsung really bad, and it wont boot, however, you can still get into download mode...then you're safe, because samsung uses Odin to flash the entire phone back to stock meaning Recovery/aBoot/Data/System and bring you right back, but if you hard brick it, theres only 3 ways out from that...and they all suck....number one, is call me and send it to me to Jtag it for you ..but it takes long and its not that cheap, #2, Desolder the chip (whichever it is on the device that has caused the problem) and replace it...and thats not an easy task at all, ive done it once to an S3 successfully, after that i never wanted to do it again, and this was back when they were really expensive, and lastly....#3.....and this one is the worse....go buy a new one SO BE CAREFUL!
ROMS: So now that we have a custom recovery, a rom is basically a heavily modified version of Android! and let me tell ya, i love them...i love so many of them, there are sooo many different things that you can do with roms, but the most desired from what ive gathered, is so people can remove the bloatware that comes with their phone when they buy it from the carrier/manufacturer. Thats not all tho, there is way too much to get into, but some roms allow you to Overclock your phones CPU/GPU, and change the Behaviors of the phones hardware, and the major component in roms that allows that is the Kernel.
Kernel: Now dont totally quote me here, im still learning kernels, but a kernel is basically the binary software in the phone, almost like a bios that when modified from stock, changes the behavior of the MOST of the hardware, not all. Now i could be wrong and anyone please feel free to correct me, now i do want to give you a shot of my own advice here...if you dont know what you are doing, kernels are dangerous to a noobie..before i started messing with roms and kernels, i tried to get the best understanding i could, and ill be honest with you, i blew up a couple S3's doing so. but im still learning. so if you're unweary or still not educated enough in the hobby to get too it, please read more up on it, because as none of these guys here that are devs nor people like myself that are trying to help intend to destroy your device on you, so please be careful for your own device's safety, and to save yourself money and a broken heart.
Knox: Ok now correct me if im wrong here, because im still learning as this is new to me, i only saw it on the MJA bootloader on the S4 on Jellybean from Sprint when they first OTA'd it, but knox looks to be Samsungs pathetic try of not lettings us Access the devices binary software, like an encryption, or to only let us access and modify certain things, also samsung has added a flash counter, which will tell them how many times you have flashed a new rom, however there are ways around these things, google and the search bar are you best friends to start, and we can help too.
I Hope this helped and shed some light on some information, and please if anyone has anything to add or to correct me if im wrong anywhere please do so ^_^
P.S. To be totally honest, theres always a way to restore your device and even get the flash counter back to 0 again and put everything back to normal, if an experienced tech looks at it and puts it in download mode unless all is restored, hell be able to see everything, but honestly, if you pay off the phone, you havve nothing to worry about, but then again, i dont care much for warranties, so it all depends on how savvy with fixing problems when they go wrong, but if you ever need i can help you, im pretty experienced when it comes to everything but developing atm, i was a microelectronics major in college, so my expertise is mainly in hardware i.e. if you hard/soft brick the devvice i can usually get it out of that.
please excuse my typing, i type extremely fast, and i have a mechanical keyboard and i think some lettings are startings to give way such as the V key.
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Naturesretard said:
I guess I shouldn't bother with safestrap then. Was planning on trying to pay off the note 3 and keep it anyway instead of jumping again this year.
Either way it won't matter...until I do eventually get a new handset but even then I know enough about rooting I shouldn't need to repair this one once paid off and detached from my account.
my next question is then should I TWRP or cwm? I tried CWM for the first time since gingerbread on my s3 and fell in love with it
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Oh and please i Highly suggest using Philz Touch!
Code:
http://goo.im/devs/philz_touch/CWM_Advanced_Edition/hltetmo
Thats for the HLTETMO version, which is our versions in this forum, all credit to phil ofcourse, it is basically CWM, but so much more user friendly and advanced with much more options, there are two files there, you obviously want the latest version, and there are two ways to do it, if you download the tar.md5 you must use Odin, and put your phone in download/odin mode, very easily done (turn it off unplug usb and press Home+Vol Dwn+Pwr) then once the screen pops up press Vol Up and then plug the USB in, and follow the instructions of w/e tutorial you are ready, but be very careful in odin mode, if you disturb the phone while its flashing you will most likely brick it, and the .zip is considering you already have a custom recovery and you can just flash it through there.
MasterSe7en said:
Hey Nature! just wanted to add my 0.02, ok theres a difference between rooting, and a difference between flashing recoveries,kernels,roms,and what have you.
ill give a brief explanation in the differences. The Colors of the titles indicate how safe/dangerous it is to modify one of these things and wether it will void your warranty, Green=Wont void your warranty, and easily reversible. Orange=Void Warranty, Reversible, But starting to get Dangerous, Red=Definitely VVoids Warranty, and if screwed up, could ruin/brick your devvice Definitely Voids Warranty, and if screwed up, could ruin/brick your devvice
Rooting: When you are rooting your device, you are basically forcing your stock version of android to allow you (the user) root access, therefore allowing you to bypass/allow signature verification for apps, now this could be anything from homebrew apps that you are making yourself...to the naughty pirated apps, and i dont encourage the latter. By giving yourself root access to your phone, your allowing the next to happen:
Flashing a Custom Recovery: Ok ill explain this as simple as i can...Mostly all if not ALL android phones have a stock recovery, this is a safeguard in case some kind of software fault happened in the phone(stock software fault or what have you). Flashing a custom recovery would be your next step after Rooting a device (IF) you want to go further than apps, meaning Kernels, Roms etc. Now the reason you must Root your device in order to install a custom recovery, is because like explained above signature verification....Now this is when you begin to tread in warranty territory, once flashing a custom recovery...your warranty has become VOID, however what the custom recovery allows you to do is a multitude of things, but the most major is Flashing .ZIP files, which most roms are in the form of, now not only Roms are in ZIP files, so are kernels,mods,baseband firmwares, etc, with that being said, different phones/devices use different methods of flashing roms, lets say for example you somehow screwed something up on a samsung really bad, and it wont boot, however, you can still get into download mode...then you're safe, because samsung uses Odin to flash the entire phone back to stock meaning Recovery/aBoot/Data/System and bring you right back, but if you hard brick it, theres only 3 ways out from that...and they all suck....number one, is call me and send it to me to Jtag it for you ..but it takes long and its not that cheap, #2, Desolder the chip (whichever it is on the device that has caused the problem) and replace it...and thats not an easy task at all, ive done it once to an S3 successfully, after that i never wanted to do it again, and this was back when they were really expensive, and lastly....#3.....and this one is the worse....go buy a new one SO BE CAREFUL!
ROMS: So now that we have a custom recovery, a rom is basically a heavily modified version of Android! and let me tell ya, i love them...i love so many of them, there are sooo many different things that you can do with roms, but the most desired from what ive gathered, is so people can remove the bloatware that comes with their phone when they buy it from the carrier/manufacturer. Thats not all tho, there is way too much to get into, but some roms allow you to Overclock your phones CPU/GPU, and change the Behaviors of the phones hardware, and the major component in roms that allows that is the Kernel.
Kernel: Now dont totally quote me here, im still learning kernels, but a kernel is basically the binary software in the phone, almost like a bios that when modified from stock, changes the behavior of the MOST of the hardware, not all. Now i could be wrong and anyone please feel free to correct me, now i do want to give you a shot of my own advice here...if you dont know what you are doing, kernels are dangerous to a noobie..before i started messing with roms and kernels, i tried to get the best understanding i could, and ill be honest with you, i blew up a couple S3's doing so. but im still learning. so if you're unweary or still not educated enough in the hobby to get too it, please read more up on it, because as none of these guys here that are devs nor people like myself that are trying to help intend to destroy your device on you, so please be careful for your own device's safety, and to save yourself money and a broken heart.
Knox: Ok now correct me if im wrong here, because im still learning as this is new to me, i only saw it on the MJA bootloader on the S4 on Jellybean from Sprint when they first OTA'd it, but knox looks to be Samsungs pathetic try of not lettings us Access the devices binary software, like an encryption, or to only let us access and modify certain things, also samsung has added a flash counter, which will tell them how many times you have flashed a new rom, however there are ways around these things, google and the search bar are you best friends to start, and we can help too.
I Hope this helped and shed some light on some information, and please if anyone has anything to add or to correct me if im wrong anywhere please do so ^_^
P.S. To be totally honest, theres always a way to restore your device and even get the flash counter back to 0 again and put everything back to normal, if an experienced tech looks at it and puts it in download mode unless all is restored, hell be able to see everything, but honestly, if you pay off the phone, you havve nothing to worry about, but then again, i dont care much for warranties, so it all depends on how savvy with fixing problems when they go wrong, but if you ever need i can help you, im pretty experienced when it comes to everything but developing atm, i was a microelectronics major in college, so my expertise is mainly in hardware i.e. if you hard/soft brick the devvice i can usually get it out of that.
please excuse my typing, i type extremely fast, and i have a mechanical keyboard and i think some lettings are startings to give way such as the V key.
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Oh and please i Highly suggest using Philz Touch!
Code:
http://goo.im/devs/philz_touch/CWM_Advanced_Edition/hltetmo
Thats for the HLTETMO version, which is our versions in this forum, all credit to phil ofcourse, it is basically CWM, but so much more user friendly and advanced with much more options, there are two files there, you obviously want the latest version, and there are two ways to do it, if you download the tar.md5 you must use Odin, and put your phone in download/odin mode, very easily done (turn it off unplug usb and press Home+Vol Dwn+Pwr) then once the screen pops up press Vol Up and then plug the USB in, and follow the instructions of w/e tutorial you are ready, but be very careful in odin mode, if you disturb the phone while its flashing you will most likely brick it, and the .zip is considering you already have a custom recovery and you can just flash it through there.
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Ty for the explanation. Unfortunately, that is if you took the time to write that or just copied, I knew most if not all of the risks. As I said earlier I've been rooting since gingerbread.
However, it's quite informative and anybody else who is new to rooting shall find it helpful.
Kernels are more or less a bios, if you will. But they are specific to builds. You can't use aosp on tw and vice versa. There are other key features but I can't remember off the top of my head. Basically no kernel =/= no phone or no features such as camera.
You're right about the s4, but if I'm not mistaken it was believed to be an eFuse, as was for the note 3 too. Although other members have said they got it back reset, 0x0, and sim unlocks intact to fix other issues like broken gps. Therefore it is believed to be software at a signature level.
And I'll look into philz, loved it on the s3. If you ever have q's about root feel free to pm me
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Towle said:
He's not wrong. There are a couple different methods of rooting that don't require a custom recovery, therefore don't trip Knox.
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Wow... must have read that post wrong. Been working way too much. Sorry about that but looks like we have some great info added here.
Naturesretard said:
Ty for the explanation. Unfortunately, that is if you took the time to write that or just copied, I knew most if not all of the risks. As I said earlier I've been rooting since gingerbread.
However, it's quite informative and anybody else who is new to rooting shall find it helpful.
Kernels are more or less a bios, if you will. But they are specific to builds. You can't use aosp on tw and vice versa. There are other key features but I can't remember off the top of my head. Basically no kernel =/= no phone or no features such as camera.
You're right about the s4, but if I'm not mistaken it was believed to be an eFuse, as was for the note 3 too. Although other members have said they got it back reset, 0x0, and sim unlocks intact to fix other issues like broken gps. Therefore it is believed to be software at a signature level.
And I'll look into philz, loved it on the s3. If you ever have q's about root feel free to pm me
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ahh nate, i misunderstood, i thought you were new to rooting but just knew some of the basics, but were unclear of some others, but yeh, i typed that all up, no copy and paste here otherwise i would've credited the Author ^_^ but i hope it was Helpful, im sure its plastered and posted evverywhere around here, but maybe ill make a Write up somewhere to clarify things, because when i was learning, everything was scattered and i had to collect all the information.
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ahh nate, i misunderstood, i thought you were new to rooting but just knew some of the basics, but were unclear of some others, but yeh, i typed that all up, no copy and paste here otherwise i would've credited the Author ^_^ but i hope it was Helpful, im sure its plastered and posted evverywhere around here, but maybe ill make a Write up somewhere to clarify things, because when i was learning, everything was scattered and i had to collect all the information.
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You Be Surprised How Often that happens. I'd sticky if I could
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Naturesretard said:
You Be Surprised How Often that happens. I'd sticky if I could
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Hey Nate! **WAVE**
lol well i posted a new thread on it, so i hope it helps the newer guys and it'd be nice if it was stickied, like i said tho, its plastered everywhere around here and on google even, but its nice to try to help my Fellow note 3'ers