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Rooted is better if you know how to use a rooted phone. If he has no idea than he may just mess his phone up.
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if he doesnt want to root.. then let him be, he'll just be missing out.
I rooted to get the latest firmware [in canada it goes through samsung womp-womp ] and to get some extra customization out of my phone. It can give a phone the extra features you might feel are missing.
I always root my androids except my nexus's I rarely root them and as of now haven't my gnex
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if he doesnt want to root.. then let him be, he'll just be missing out.
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This! If he sees the pros + cons then decides he doesn't want it, then he shouldn't. You're a bad friend if you force him to do something he's not comfortable with to his phone.
AndreaCristiano said:
I always root my androids except my nexus's I rarely root them and as of now haven't my gnex
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Same. Loving my GNex bone stock.
lazcoreaedu said:
Hey guys I'm trying to convince my buddy that root is the way to go, I myself have my phone rooted and wouldn't go back to stock for any reasons, I've told him why he should go with root but he just wants some more opinions, so please can you give us your 2 cent on what's better rooted or not rooted?
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Regardless of whether he ultimately wants to root or not - make sure that even if it's remotely on the radar that he unlocks the BOOTLOADER as soon as he gets the phone.
Unlocking the bootloader wipes the ENTIRE phone (SD card partition and all) so it's something to do before anything else.
With the ability to subsequently make backups, rooting can easily come later.
It's rather simple:
If you don't know why you want root, you don't need root.
Valynor said:
It's rather simple:
If you don't know why you want root, you don't need root.
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I was going to say the same.
If he doesn't want/know then he SHOULDN'T cause he could end up with a bricked phone.
There's absolutely no reason to try to convince your friend, you're doing a disservice.
Murphy's law says he'll end up bricking it.
Unless you enjoy modding and willing to take the risk, let them use it stock - it's far more stable anyway.
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It's rather simple:
If you don't know why you want root, you don't need root.
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My thoughts exactly!
If your friend doesn't want it, he didn't need it. Eot.
And since you seem confused and mixing terms.... You can still be on stock while rooted.
You can even run a custom firmware without being rooted/having root.
Rooted merely means having local admin rights on the OS you are currently running. Custom firmware or not us entirely unrelated.
On most Samsung phones you don't even need to root to load custom ROMs, because they have open bootloaders. They're is no real relation between these terms which you are mixing.
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You can root the factory image so he'll still be stock with root. It'd best to root in case he wants future access for whatever, for example titanium backup would let him backup all his data, needs root. There are a milkion reasons to need root for very basic things.
Steal his phone, root it, install aokp/franco/theme and be like I dunno.. It just said update and I clicked yes, sorry bro.
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RogerPodacter said:
You can root the factory image so he'll still be stock with root. It'd best to root in case he wants future access for whatever, for example titanium backup would let him backup all his data, needs root. There are a milkion reasons to need root for very basic things.
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But if the guy doesn't want to use any of those things, there's no need to root it in the first place. If he doesn't see the value in it right now theres no need to force him into it. Rooting because you think he'll want it later in the future makes no sense.
ChongoDroid said:
Steal his phone, root it, install aokp/franco/theme and be like I dunno.. It just said update and I clicked yes, sorry bro.
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What a stupid suggestion.
ChongoDroid said:
Steal his phone, root it, install aokp/franco/theme and be like I dunno.. It just said update and I clicked yes, sorry bro.
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this was my thought too!
At least let him figure out how to do it himself. If he figures it out. It might be for him. Let him do it via fast boot commands. Not one click.
I remember fist time rooting. I only had to press "root" in an app, and I ended up messing my sgs i9000 up completely. I had to learn everything the hard way. The right way. You should never do anything to your phone, unless you know how to get back to where you were.
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http://briefmobile.com/samsung-epic-4g-touch-source-code-released
https://opensource.samsung.com/
Scroll down to find D710 and have fun building those kernels!
We needs that root ...
Then you know ****s about to go down ....
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We needs that root ...
Then you know ****s about to go down ....
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Root is easy. Port the recovery, flash it then flash su. BINGO!
I know its easy but no one has done it yet ... thats the problem lol
iSaint said:
I know its easy but no one has done it yet ... thats the problem lol
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I'm going to work on it. Samsung has provided us unlocked bootloader, and source. All I have to do is find out what partition the recovery is on.
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Awesome, things should go quickly now!
Can't wait to see how custom colonels will utilize our duel core processors!
I just hve to say, so far, Samsung is being quite awesome
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I just hve to say, so far, Samsung is being quite awesome
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Hopefully they will be good with timely updates as well..but we'll see. So far I like what i see though
Korey_Nicholson said:
Root is easy. Port the recovery, flash it then flash su. BINGO!
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no need to port recovery for that...
just change ramdisk/initramfs to push SU files to /system
done its rooted
DooMLoRD said:
no need to port recovery for that...
just change ramdisk/initramfs to push SU files to /system
done its rooted
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Can you do that for the E4GT?
Please help us!!!
Wow Doomlord..You make it sound so EZ!!! I've been trying everything and anything..I dont wanna Hard Brick this thing cause I know I'd have to wait,who knows how long seeing that they are on Back Order!!
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Wow Doomlord..You make it sound so EZ!!! I've been trying everything and anything..I dont wanna Hard Brick this thing cause I know I'd have to wait,who knows how long seeing that they are on Back Order!!
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It is that easy. It's just that getting R/W access to /system may or may not be trivial. I haven't tried yet, I'm still getting used to this ginormous screen in my pocket....It is a little disorienting, and I'm coming from an E3D lol.
I'm from HTC so I don't have any familiarity with how this works...
does the "update.zip" (based on model number or other identifier) method work for anything? Since the bootloader isn't "locked" (crypto-signed) does that mean that update.zip's (or their equivalent) signature's aren't crypto-signed...or signed at all?
If the security is that lax, well, it is a matter of minutes until any one of us walks right into root....by accident
Rooting & Security
If this is not the right thread to ask this in, I apologize as I am not trying to hijack this thread. That being said, I am new to Android having only had my Samsung View 4g since its release and my new Epic Touch since last night. I have read several news articles that have indicated that a rooted device somehow is less secure then a stock device and I am wondering if this is true and if there is a way to have Root access and still remain secure or if this is just another thing the non-tech media are over hyping?
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If this is not the right thread to ask this in, I apologize as I am not trying to hijack this thread. That being said, I am new to Android having only had my Samsung View 4g since its release and my new Epic Touch since last night. I have read several news articles that have indicated that a rooted device somehow is less secure then a stock device and I am wondering if this is true and if there is a way to have Root access and still remain secure or if this is just another thing the non-tech media are over hyping?
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They are over-hyping it, you have nothing to fear unless you actually are looking for an app to mess up your phone. Root access has an app called superuser which lets you control which apps can use root access to the system or not. Don't worry, its safe!
update.zips
update zips are signed updates from like samsung, we either can apply zips in CWM, which has been pushed to epic either via ADB originally or via ODIN and flashing a TAR to a partition Odin makes the world go around and around for noncrippled samsungs (im pointing at the replenish my mom has)
Can this be ported to Galaxy S2 - i9100
If samsung keeps this up, I may have to put my HTC away for a couple months. Does samsung have skins like htc phones?
I just wanna know something. I'm into rooting phones. I had the galaxy s 4g and I rooted the hell out of that phone. Now I have the galaxy nexus and this things a ****in beast just the way it is, so why should I root this phone? Someone please convince me!
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brooklyn718941 said:
I just wanna know something. I'm into rooting phones. I had the galaxy s 4g and I rooted the hell out of that phone. Now I have the galaxy nexus and this things a ****in beast just the way it is, so why should I root this phone? Someone please convince me!
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I've received this question a lot from users across the globe and wrote an educational application, All About Root, posted in the Android Market for free with a section dedicated to this question.
Specifically for the Galaxy Nexus, I actually have not yet rooted this device yet, for the same reasons you've already given.
I do plan on rooting soon, probably within the next few days. At any point in time, if you want to start doing serious tweaking, more than likely you'll need root access.
The most common reason I've seen so far is, Android 4.0.3 was released in AOSP but we either have 4.0.1 or 4.0.2 loaded on our devices. Some users want the latest and in order to load 4.0.3 they have to at least unlock the device, not necessarily root.
Not sure if you're using the GSM or CDMA version of the device but in the future the OTAs might not be released at the same time to keep up with the latest AOSP version.
Hope that helps!
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brooklyn718941 said:
I just wanna know something. I'm into rooting phones. I had the galaxy s 4g and I rooted the hell out of that phone.
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How do you "root the hell out of" a phone? It's either rooted, or it's not
Now I have the galaxy nexus and this things a ****in beast just the way it is, so why should I root this phone? Someone please convince me!
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Why do you need convincing? Some apps need root. If you need to do something that requires root, then root the device.
Unlocking the bootloader is probably the real question... with that done, you can install custom ROMs and custom recovery, or root the stock ROM. Unlocking wipes the device though so it's probably better to do it sooner than later, even if you don't want to do any of those things yet.
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How do you "root the hell out of" a phone? It's either rooted, or it's not
Why do you need convincing? Some apps need root. If you need to do something that requires root, then root the device.
Unlocking the bootloader is probably the real question... with that done, you can install custom ROMs and custom recovery, or root the stock ROM. Unlocking wipes the device though so it's probably better to do it sooner than later, even if you don't want to do any of those things yet.
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I tweaked the hell out of that phone!!. Is that better for you phazerorg???
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I was looking through Roms and I have another question. Why install a custom rom if it ****s up your phones wifi signal and network strength? And video and the browser has issues. How stupid can you be this is a great phone as is no need to root or install roms.
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brooklyn718941 said:
I was looking through Roms and I have another question. Why install a custom rom if it ****s up your phones wifi signal and network strength? And video and the browser has issues. How stupid can you be this is a great phone as is no need to root or install roms.
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I personally wouldn't install a ROM if it affected my wifi or signal in a negative way. Or if I didn't know that and it did, I would uninstall it.
It definitely is a great phone as-is, but it's a bit ignorant to call people stupid just because you don't see a need to root yours or install a custom ROM. Custom ROMs offer features not present in stock ROMs. If the stock ROM has all that you need, there's no need to replace it. On the other hand, some custom ROMs have features I like that stock doesn't, so to get those features I install the custom ROM.
I had CyanogenMod on my Nexus One (and still do). It has things like OpenVPN, notification power widget, trackball wake, and a lot of other tweaks that I found useful.
You need root for apps like wifi kill and wifi tether and overclock, rom manager/nandroid backup. If you ain't gonna use em then don't root, but certainly don't call people names for doing so. Getting the latest version of the OS is not the reason to root. If anything, on the Nexus devices it slows this process.
hi i am newbe and i want to know what are the resins to root and if i don't root is there a way to get 4.04 on a non rooted VZ GN
I think if you search google: "to root or not to root" there are some good explanations.
Don't take any offense, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=to+root+or+not+to+root
When you root, you modify the files of the phone to give you special permissions that were once locked. You can install ROMs that look different, or increase battery or run faster or have features you like. The possibilities are endless. You also are first to get leaked updates.
Yes you can flash 4.0.4 on a stock unrooted Galaxy Nexus but the bootloader must be unlocked. This easy and can be done with either Mskip's toolkit or Wugfresh's take your pick they are both easy and good.
Good Luck & Have Fun
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hi i am newbe and i want to know what are the resins to root and if i don't root is there a way to get 4.04 on a non rooted VZ GN
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I suggest not rooting or unlocking your bootloader until you have hung around long enough to learn why you would need to. Use your phone a while and get familiar with it first.
Rooting: mod the phone to give an app superuser privileges if it requests it. Certain functionality can only be utilized by apps running as root. Whether or not you need that is something you should discover on your own. Treat it very carefully as giving a malicious app root is deadly.
Unlock boot loader: open up the ability to install custom roms.
You should probably hang around a bit and learn before doing either.
I personally have yet to see a need to do either on ICS, but that's only my opinion.
Have fun.
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thank you all this is why i love forums.
eksasol said:
I think if you search google: "to root or not to root" there are some good explanations.
Don't take any offense, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=to+root+or+not+to+root
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how did u do this i love how you made this link u need to know many people ask me questions and i would love to send them the link like this love it.
fantom557 said:
how did u do this i love how you made this link u need to know many people ask me questions and i would love to send them the link like this love it.
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just go here, and then follow the instructions
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just go here, and then follow the instructions
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Mwahahaha, you used it on him twice!!
This is why I love this forum u guys all just want to have fun
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Excuse my complete noobishness, but can someone help me root my Galaxy Nexus but still get OTA updates from Google? I found multiple sources from here and a video from QBKing77 but nothing answer my question completely. I would be really grateful if someone with experience could help me by give me step by step instructions.
Thank you.
Rooting your phone does not disable OTA updates.
Why would you want ota if you rooted? Just flash a rooted version of the updated rom when it's released.
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eqjunkie829 said:
Why would you want ota if you rooted? Just flash a rooted version of the updated rom when it's released.
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I want to root just for two or three apps that require root access and still get updates from Google. I want the process: root -> get OTA update -> root again etc...
ZlateWay said:
I want to root just for two or three apps that require root access and still get updates from Google. I want the process: root -> get OTA update -> root again etc...
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That's what I do. I don't flash ROMS, just use a few apps that require root. Install OTA Root Keeper from the play store to retain root. Run the app before installing any updates to preserve root. Then when you receive an OTA, install the update then run OTA Root keeper again to get your root back. Worked for me on Verizon Galaxy Nexus coming from 4.0.4 to 4.1.1.
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That's what I do. I don't flash ROMS, just use a few apps that require root. Install OTA Root Keeper from the play store to retain root. Run the app before installing any updates to preserve root. Then when you receive an OTA, install the update then run OTA Root keeper again to get your root back. Worked for me on Verizon Galaxy Nexus coming from 4.0.4 to 4.1.1.
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That is what I'm looking for! Can you explain to me step by step how did you did that? It would be great if you help me.
Use the guide in my sig or stickied at the top of this forum.
Only change would be fastboot boot recovery cwm.img rather than flash.
Just root the phone, and don't flash any custom recovery, then download supercurio's OTA root keeper app from the playstore, to backup your root then enable root with the same app after you receive OTA
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suprakarma said:
Just root the phone, and don't flash any custom recovery, then download supercurio's OTA root keeper app from the playstore, to backup your root then enable root with the same app after you receive OTA
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Sorry for replying this late, thanks for the advice, but can you explain to me the steps that I need to use with the GNexus toolkit to root like you did? Thanks
ZlateWay said:
Sorry for replying this late, thanks for the advice, but can you explain to me the steps that I need to use with the GNexus toolkit to root like you did? Thanks
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Don't use the toolkit?
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Why not?
The toolkit is SUPER easy.
Open the tool kit and the DOS window guides you through what to do, by typing numbers or letters to get the desired option. I can post the guide on when to boot in recovery mode and what the phone will do but as for the Toolkit, it's self helping. Just install it, run it and follow the on-screen instructions.
I do exactly the same as what you want successfully; I have a completely stock Nexus, but it's rooted for the use of some apps. The OTA update tells me when there is an update, I install then simply root again. I'd rather not have an app to keep root as that will be yet another app to clog up my phone's app drawer.
A lot of the custom roms aren't to my taste so I am happy to keep the stock experience
Will post again the steps when I am on my home PC.
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Why not?
The toolkit is SUPER easy.
Open the tool kit and the DOS window guides you through what to do, by typing numbers or letters to get the desired option. I can post the guide on when to boot in recovery mode and what the phone will do but as for the Toolkit, it's self helping. Just install it, run it and follow the on-screen instructions.
I do exactly the same as what you want successfully; I have a completely stock Nexus, but it's rooted for the use of some apps. The OTA update tells me when there is an update, I install then simply root again. I'd rather not have an app to keep root as that will be yet another app to clog up my phone's app drawer.
A lot of the custom roms aren't to my taste so I am happy to keep the stock experience
Will post again the steps when I am on my home PC.
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simply because the toolkit is an excuse not to learn the FUNDAMENTALS of owning a nexus device.
what happens when something goes wrong? do you know what the toolkit is doing behind the scenes? most of the toolkit users DONT. there are more than enough 'HALP!1!1 I BriKt mah PhoneZ!1!!oneone' to prove this is the case....
if you understand what its actually doing, you understand how useless it truly is...
Well, for starters the "fundamentals of owning a nexus device" don't include rooting at all. I know many people who use Nexus devices un-rooted and are fine.
Plus, I'm more than happy not learning too much about it as I'd rather spend my time eating cake.
Remember, not everyone here is in to tweaking settings, trying different radios, resetting their phone every 5 mins to test yet another ROM.
Some people are more than happy with the stock experience but just want root. The toolkit makes that simple.
Secondly, if the toolkit was doing things behind the scenes, I'm sure someone would have found that out and reported by now.
Thirdly, how do you know custom ROMs aren't doing the same thing? They are far more likely to be able to phone home without the owner knowing.
Fourthly, I personally tried rooting the manual way but the one line help of "just type this" I got never really worked with my phone.
Fifth, I've used the toolkit on my own phone and my partners many times, I've seen nothing bad, no bricking.
Don't see why you're so against something which makes life a lot easier for people who aren't too sure how to root the manual way?
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Well, for starters the "fundamentals of owning a nexus device" don't include rooting at all. I know many people who use Nexus devices un-rooted and are fine.
Plus, I'm more than happy not learning too much about it as I'd rather spend my time eating cake.
Remember, not everyone here is in to tweaking settings, trying different radios, resetting their phone every 5 mins to test yet another ROM.
Some people are more than happy with the stock experience but just want root. The toolkit makes that simple.
Secondly, if the toolkit was doing things behind the scenes, I'm sure someone would have found that out and reported by now.
Thirdly, how do you know custom ROMs aren't doing the same thing? They are far more likely to be able to phone home without the owner knowing.
Fourthly, I personally tried rooting the manual way but the one line help of "just type this" I got never really worked with my phone.
Fifth, I've used the toolkit on my own phone and my partners many times, I've seen nothing bad, no bricking.
Don't see why you're so against something which makes life a lot easier for people who aren't too sure how to root the manual way?
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And yet another person who fails at grasping why XDA exists....
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Actually, I do. I understand why XDA exists but I also understand the multi-uses it really has.
Not everyone who comes here has a desire to mess with their phones all the time...
If you're not a fan of the toolkit, why not flame the developer?
Here's a short guide on what the OP wanted to do.
1) Make sure phone is up to date. Make a note of your software version - probably 4.1.2 or 4.2 and build number (mine is JZO54K)
2) Turn on USB Debugging (Settings > Developer Options > USB Debugging)
3) Shut down the phone
4) Start in Bootloader (power button + vol up + vol down)
5) Run the Galaxy Nexus toolkit
This is where we use the toolkit. Read the info and select your build number. The windows will guide you through what options you have. If you want to root only, choose that option. Go through the menus and type YES to begin.
6) Phone will restart
7) After ~160 seconds, ToolKit will restart to Bootloader
8) Phone will restart
9) Toolkit will finish rooting by pushing the files to the phone.
10) Phone will restart back to Bootloader
11) Finish - Confirm in ToolKit
See pictures for further info.
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And yet another person who fails at grasping why XDA exists....
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the toolkit also exists on xda..
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the toolkit also exists on xda..
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So does the person that thought I was saying the toolkit did something malicious... I never said any such thing.
Toolkits are pointless. It takes longer to learn the toolkit than it does the three commands needed to unlock and root a nexus. That's my ****ing point, yet this guy is going on about how easy the toolkit is to use. If it's so ****ing easy, why did you have to provide screenshots and instructions?
XDA-spoonfeeders.com
I miss XDA
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i cannot believe that someone would actually think its NOT beneficial to understand the process, and rely solely on a toolkit...its amazing to think that there are people so wrapped up in their own little minds, that they refuse to take the time to learn to do things the right way and understand what they are doing to their device.
what happens when joe user, who only knows the toolkit, flashes a mod on his phone that was NOT intended for his phone/build/rom version, and he bootloops? he jumps on xda and posts a thread. HALP I JACKED MAH PHONE!!! how do i fix it with the toolkit?
please, for the love of tech, LEARN what it is you are doing. do us all a favor and help spread the KNOWLEDGE and stop with the damn toolkit. this website is designed for you to learn, not follow a damn prompt/menu to get instant gratification.
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Sorry for replying this late, thanks for the advice, but can you explain to me the steps that I need to use with the GNexus toolkit to root like you did? Thanks
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Don't use a toolkit. Learn commands yourself and you won't have to worry about what a toolkit is or isn't installing.
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root toolkits are fine, if you already know what you are doing. the problem with root toolkits arises when a person that has no idea what they are doing uses them and messes something up, which happens often, just read all the threads that users start asking for help, that include the words "i used a root toolkit". you dont see any these thread with the words i used fastboot or adb. usually what happens is something simple gets messed up, then the situation becomes worse because the user didnt know/learn the basics, and messed something up after. this is the problem with root toolkits, they go around you having to learn the basics. then we get all these threads about "help, i bricked my device". just taking the little time needed to learn the basics prevent this from happening.
this is a nexus device, its meant to be able to root the device easily. this is the basic procedure.. fastboot oem unlock, fastboot flash a custom recovery, flash the su binaries or custom rom in your custom recovery, reboot. that is it. it takes me 3 minutes to do this. add on a little reading beforehand, and maybe itll take you 30 minutes. much better than getting lost after using the root toolkit, or even messing up your device messing with stuff that you shouldnt. and, occasionally, the root toolkit itself can mess things up.
btw, op, you can always install an official "ota" manually, without receiving it ota, and without having root too. also, if you flash a rooted stock rom(unmodified, only root), youll still receive otas
You can unlock and root without install a custom recovery. IF you don't install any custom recovery and leave the stock one you'll continue to receive the ota updates.
Bye
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I am new to the nexus 7.
Can I root without unlocking the broader?
What is the side effect of unlocking the boot loader?
Is there existing method to root without installing customer recovery?
Thanks
macaumen said:
I am new to the nexus 7.
Can I root without unlocking the broader?
What is the side effect of unlocking the boot loader?
Is there existing method to root without installing customer recovery?
Thanks
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There is currently no known way to root without unlocking the bootloader and using a custom recovery.
Unlocking the bootloader allows you more control over the tablet. Specifically to install custom recovery, ROMs, etc. Most of the benefits from an unlocked bootloader are things you do from a custom recovery, not through the bootloader itself. The only real negative 'side effects' are that you lose some of the safety benefits, since you can do dangerous things if you don't know what you are doing, and that it may void your warranty.
So, if want to root, I must unlock bootloader?
Well I still get ota with bootloader unlocked?
macaumen said:
So, if want to root, I must unlock bootloader?
Well I still get ota with bootloader unlocked?
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1. Yes
2. Technically you can, but not recommend; just wait for the rooted stock and flash that.
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1. Yes
2. Technically you can, but not recommend; just wait for the rooted stock and flash that.
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Regarding your #2, there is no reason not to unlock the bootloader to get OTA updates. The only thing that breaks OTA is custom recovery.
phonic said:
Regarding your #2, there is no reason not to unlock the bootloader to get OTA updates. The only thing that breaks OTA is custom recovery.
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Completely correct. I just said not to do it, cause he seems less experienced, and from my experience, they get freaked out afterwards trying to put it back on. So trying to save him a headache, lol.
I recommend staying stock unless you absolutely need a specific root required app.
Right now there isn't a reason for root access except titanium backup.
I do recommend, however, to go ahead and unlock. It will wipe your device including personal data, so might as well get that out of the way now before you risk losing something important.
You can easily flash a custom recovery and root anytime after that, but I would wait until knowledgeable devs figure out the device a little more first.
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player911 said:
I recommend staying stock unless you absolutely need a specific root required app.
Right now there isn't a reason for root access except titanium backup.
I do recommend, however, to go ahead and unlock. It will wipe your device including personal data, so might as well get that out of the way now before you risk losing something important.
You can easily flash a custom recovery and root anytime after that, but I would wait until knowledgeable devs figure out the device a little more first.
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I'm not sure why you would suggest people not to root now. You mentioned a very good reason to do so - Titanium Backup. Not only is it useful for backups in general, but it's also a lifesaver for copying apps and their data from one device, like someone's old N7, to their new N7.
While I would certainly agree that people should wait before flashing custom ROMs, kernels, hacks, etc., nothing is going to change with rooting your N7 today versus a week or month from now. All the pros and cons will still be the same.
phonic said:
I'm not sure why you would suggest people not to root now.
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They guy doesn't need root. He also doesn't understand root. So his chances of softbricking are good, and then, instead of us trying to talk him out of rooting, we now have to talk him through how to fix it.... .. Can we count on you to provide this support since your are so OK with him rooting now?
tweaked said:
They guy doesn't need root. He also doesn't understand root. So his chances of softbricking are good, and then, instead of us trying to talk him out of rooting, we now have to talk him through how to fix it.... .. Can we count on your to provide this support since your are so OK with him rooting now?
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Neither you nor I have any idea what he needs or doesn't. He hasn't said anything other than asking some basic questions about the process. There are numerous guides on here that walk people through rooting step by step. There are also a handful of people who have soft bricked their device and asked for and received help. And yes, I have assisted people with similar issues in the past. Everyone on this board has at one point in their lives screwed something up - that's how we learn.
In any case, my point was that there is no clear reason for him not to do it if he wants to. The device is pretty forgiving unless he kills the bootloader.