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Doubt about S-OFF

May I know if One X is able to be S-OFF, is it mean that even the bootloader status is locked and we still can root and flash custom rom? How it different with unlock bootloader using HTCDev? sry for noob question..

No you need to be unlocked to root and flash custom roms. As of now HTCDev is the only method to allow unlocking.
Simple method. We don't know when Revolutionary will release their tool.

S-ON + LOCKED = You can only use official HTC firmware and only for the specific branded version you have.
S-ON + UNLOCKED = You unlocked it via htcdev. You're able to change the system and recovery images to allow for custom firmware. You can't alter anything regarding the baseband aka cell radio. HTC know you unlock via htcdev as they make you enter your serial number and other details to generate a phone specific unlock token. This will affect your warranty as any software caused faults are your own problem. General hardware warranty is still the same.
S-ON + RELOCKED = You relocked it after unlocking via htcdev. Same as S-ON + LOCKED except it shows you relocked.
S-OFF = No restrictions at all by the bootloader. You can alter everything. HTC don't let you do this and you need somebody else to work out a flaw in the bootloader to do it. Technically this voids your warranty as well but if you relock and don't leave any evidence that you did so then HTC won't know.

ken-ywk said:
May I know if One X is able to be S-OFF, is it mean that even the bootloader status is locked and we still can root and flash custom rom? How it different with unlock bootloader using HTCDev? sry for noob question..
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No one knows about S-off.
It doesn't mean we can root and flash custom roms even on the locked bootloader. It was a different and unofficial way of unlocking the bootloader which can be locked again when we need.
We can do the same thing even in this HTC dev method, I mean locking the bootloader, but after that the status of the bootloader will be RELOCKED not locked. That means HTC people may know that our device is already unlocked before.
One more thing (which I heard and I am not sure), we can't flash ported roms on our device unless and until we have S-off.
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[Q] How to upgrade JB Firmware with a S-Off HOX

Guys,
I'm trying to get my JB flasher tool to work with S-Off devices. (Mine is S-On so I can't test)
Can anyone with a S-off phone that's upgraded the FW let me know the procedure. There seems to be confusion about which commands work with a locked bootloader and S-off so don't speculate, only respond if you know it works.
Specific question:
If you have a CID of 11111111 does it need changing to a compatible CID from the androidinfo.txt? If so, how? Does the bootloader need to be unlocked?
Can the bootloader be unlocked without htcdev code? If yes, how?
Can all fastboot commands be run with S-off but a locked bootloader?
Thanks

DO NOT UNLOCK YOUR BOOTLOADER!!!!
You will have to add the Super CID to the android-info.txt before flashing but other than that it's the same process as S-ON users

EddyOS said:
DO NOT UNLOCK YOUR BOOTLOADER!!!!
You will have to add the Super CID to the android-info.txt before flashing but other than that it's the same process as S-ON users
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As easy as that. Thanks:good:
PS So S-off will ignore the broken signature?
Also, if someone has already unlocked their bootloader (due to not realising the power of S-Off ), I assume it'll need to be relocked before installing the firmware.zip?
PS Can boot.img be flashed via fastboot if its locked on a S-off phone?

Also, can I replace the recovery.img with CWM in the zip, or even just remove it. Same goes for the boot.img

If you're S-OFF you basically have the same rights as someone with an unlocked bootloader plus more so you can flash CWM/boot etc. through fastboot without unlocking the bootloader. As you said, S-OFF ignores the signature. So long as it's a proper update.zip it should flash without issues (I should qualify this by saying I'm basing this on my HTC Sensation and what I could/couldn't do with S-OFF. If I had an S-OFF One X I could give you a 100% answer)

S-off HOX 044? how to do this? pls,help me

hoangps said:
S-off HOX 044? how to do this? pls,help me
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you can't s-off for now...

[Q] Confused about sunshine

What does sunshine do that HTCDev doesn't do? I'm really very confused.

Sunshine S-off's your phone, as well as unlocking the bootloader. HTCdev unlocks your bootloader but leaves security/signing on (S-on) Also, the method Sunshine uses to unlock your bootloader doesn't trip a factory reset.
You don't typically need to turn security/signing off unless you want to change your CID/MID (to convert your handset to a different region) or go back to an older version of firmware/software.

AlecRobertson said:
What does sunshine do that HTCDev doesn't do? I'm really very confused.
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HTC dev only unlocks the boot loader, sunshine or firewater provides full s off which lifts restrictions to partitions that are normally locked down.
Check the below thread for explanations.
Thread updated
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2744194

Thank link is invalid.
Also, I have got s-off previously without using this?

AlecRobertson said:
Also, I have got s-off previously without using this?
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So in bootloader (or alternately, adb getvar all) it indicates s-off?
If so, and you didn't do firewater or sunshine, then its factory s-off. Its rare, but I've seen it here from time to time.

[Q] Reversing Bootloader to locked

Hi guys,
I just updated my HTC M8(european) to Lollipop and after updating i hardreset the phone, which caused that all my photos and videos are wiped out. As I understood, undeleting files requires access to root and rooting is not possible without unlocking the bootloader. As I found out, it is only possible to unlock the bootloader by the HTC provided token and my question is:
1) is it possible to re-lock the bootloader as the original?
2) if re-locking requires S-OFF, is there any other option then the 25 USD sunshine?
Thanks in advance!

lomo2002 said:
Hi guys,
I just updated my HTC M8(european) to Lollipop and after updating i hardreset the phone, which caused that all my photos and videos are wiped out. As I understood, undeleting files requires access to root and rooting is not possible without unlocking the bootloader. As I found out, it is only possible to unlock the bootloader by the HTC provided token and my question is:
1) is it possible to re-lock the bootloader as the original?
2) if re-locking requires S-OFF, is there any other option then the 25 USD sunshine?
Thanks in advance!
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1. No without S-OFF
2. Sunshine doesn't work with Lollipop yet

lomo2002 said:
Hi guys,
I just updated my HTC M8(european) to Lollipop and after updating i hardreset the phone, which caused that all my photos and videos are wiped out. As I understood, undeleting files requires access to root and rooting is not possible without unlocking the bootloader. As I found out, it is only possible to unlock the bootloader by the HTC provided token and my question is:
1) is it possible to re-lock the bootloader as the original?
2) if re-locking requires S-OFF, is there any other option then the 25 USD sunshine?
Thanks in advance!
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1. Try "fastboot oem lock" from bootloader
My M8 is also S-ON and I could relock with this method.
You will have "RE-LOCKED" message in bootloader.

I didn't mention that as they said they wanted it locked as it was originally, which can't be done without S-OFF. But yes, you can relock the phone using the above command

CID change questions

Hello, I am an owner of HTC 10 bought in T-Mobile in Poland, Europe. My latest available software through OTA was 1.95.118.3, as shown on screenshot below, with the security patch from August. I wanted to change my CID to USA unlocked, but I have a couple of questions:
1) If I unlock the bootloader and change CID, will I be able to re-lock the bootloader?
2) If so, do you think that if I change CID to USA-unlocked and relock the bootloader my phone will be normally accepted on HTC warranty as if it was just stock? Or will they say that if my CID is from usa, my phone has to be serviced in USA?
3) Can HTC prove that I've unlocked my phone's bootloader and thus refuse to accept the warranty? I mean, even if I relock it, does HTC collect any info during the process of unlocking?
Thanks for the reply!

Your phone is out of HTC warranty either way when the bootloader gets unlocked. Even without changing the CID.

You need to be S-Off in order to change your CID, and Sunshine gives the option to S-Off your phone without unlocking the bootloader.
With S-Off "locked" you will still be able to flash a custom recovery and ROM, but staying locked will hide that from HTC for warranty. You just have to go back to S-On using Sunshine

xunholyx said:
You need to be S-Off in order to change your CID, and Sunshine gives the option to S-Off your phone without unlocking the bootloader.
With S-Off "locked" you will still be able to flash a custom recovery and ROM, but staying locked will hide that from HTC for warranty. You just have to go back to S-On using Sunshine
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What you said made me extremely happy One question - on sunshine changelog it says:
Version 3.4
No wipe/format for HTC 10 (when choosing S-OFF/LOCKED)
S-OFF/LOCKED will behave as S-OFF/UNLOCKED on HTC 10
Does it mean if I choose S-OFF/LOCKED it will still be shown in bootloader as UNLOCKED?

Magic Stick said:
What you said made me extremely happy One question - on sunshine changelog it says:
Version 3.4
No wipe/format for HTC 10 (when choosing S-OFF/LOCKED)
S-OFF/LOCKED will behave as S-OFF/UNLOCKED on HTC 10
Does it mean if I choose S-OFF/LOCKED it will still be shown in bootloader as UNLOCKED?
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No it will show S-OFF/locked. But you can do everything you can do with an S-OFF/unlocked device.