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Alternative with great speakers

Was looking forward to the M9 but not seeing a lot of promising upgrades over m8.
Biggest need is good stereo speakers.
- unlocked bootloadet would be nice, at least rootable
- 5 inch plus screen
- better camera than m8
-apple not an option
Does this unicorn exist?

tomplatz said:
Was looking forward to the M9 but not seeing a lot of promising upgrades over m8.
Biggest need is good stereo speakers.
- unlocked bootloadet would be nice, at least rootable
- 5 inch plus screen
- better camera than m8
-apple not an option
Does this unicorn exist?
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Nexus 6 is the only one that meets your stated requirements.

orange-man1 said:
Nexus 6 is the only one that meets your stated requirements.
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what about the S6 and S6 Edge, don't leave them out like that

KuroKeita said:
what about the S6 and S6 Edge, don't leave them out like that
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One of the requirements was good stereo speakers, so that eliminates Samsung phones. This list is so specific that I can't think of anything besides the Nexus 6 that checks all the boxes.

orange-man1 said:
One of the requirements was good stereo speakers, so that eliminates Samsung phones. This list is so specific that I can't think of anything besides the Nexus 6 that checks all the boxes.
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oh, i forgot about that one and yeah, with that, the only one left is the nexus 6

Xperia Z3

Saygus v2

z3 has very poor speaker like all sony phones
note4 have very loud speaker and clear it fairly good
the phones of this year is have a lot of problems like lg flex 2 lag like hell with snap 810
the lg pro 2 is way faster with snap 800

Now that we've had a few come online. Asking again, any unicorns like this? Upcoming note 5?

M9 is best bet for these criteria. Screen slightly less than 5" though.

augie7107 said:
M9 is best bet for these criteria. Screen slightly less than 5" though.
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It's a heated debate but the camera isn't a whole lot better though from what I'm seeing. May just have to ride it out with my M8 for another season.
They blew it on the M9 IMHO.
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tomplatz said:
It's a heated debate but the camera isn't a whole lot better though from what I'm seeing. May just have to ride it out with my M8 for another season.
They blew it on the M9 IMHO.
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I'm actually quite hopeful for software updates to improve the camera. I took some photos with the HDR Camera+ app, and the images are significantly clearer with greater detail than using the stock or Google camera.

I think the Z5 is my unicorn. can't wait

Then you might as well wait a couple more months for the Snapdragon 820 devices...serious improvements there. Otherwise, this Fall the HTC One A9 Aero might be something you want to check out.

Any of the new xperia devices.
In all fairness the HTC Speakers are better than the Sony ones.

Better DAC?

I had the S7E and frankly the headphone audio was terrible. I've since moved to the HTC 10 and the audio is excellent.
Now I'm not expecting HTC level audio, but something better then the s7e would be nice. Even just better software processing.
Has anybody compared any of these devices from an audio standpoint?

Since it's the same hardware as the S7 I'd expect the same sub-par sound quality unfortunately. The US version keeps getting the shaft in this regard.
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I'm curious to find this out as well...
I had the S7 Edge and it wasn't bad just not as good as the HTC 10 - audio on the HTC was a standout feature.
I wish Samsung would put more effort in this area - in their defense though, they have been known to include some nice Wolfson DAC's in past Galaxy phones like the Note 5. I think it varies depending on which model you purchase (Exynos/Qualcomm).
Apple is rumored to improve audio on the iPhone 7 since they remove the headphone jack, so let's see if Samsung responds and gives more attention to it on the S8 and beyond.

HNIC215 said:
I'm curious to find this out as well...
I had the S7 Edge and it wasn't bad just not as good as the HTC 10 - audio on the HTC was a standout feature.
I wish Samsung would put more effort in this area - in their defense though, they have been known to include some nice Wolfson DAC's in past Galaxy phones like the Note 5. I think it varies depending on which model you purchase (Exynos/Qualcomm).
Apple is rumored to improve audio on the iPhone 7 since they remove the headphone jack, so let's see if Samsung responds and gives more attention to it on the S8 and beyond.
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I guess even being able to use a USB DAC would be nice too.

busab said:
Since it's the same hardware as the S7 I'd expect the same sub-par sound quality unfortunately. The US version keeps getting the shaft in this regard.
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I had the Exynos S7E & that was pants in the audio dpt both headphone & speaker. It's not a good start for the N7 - $h it audio,,,,

@home said:
I had the Exynos S7E & that was pants in the audio dpt both headphone & speaker. It's not a good start for the N7 - $h it audio,,,,
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I keep waiting on Samsung to up their audio game but every year I'm disappointed. Audio doesn't even seem like an afterthought.
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Plus now since there is no Root most likely we can't even use viper4android
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This is why I'm thinking of getting a Note 4 C to go with my Note 5, cause that was brilliant with audio having a wolfson dac.

How does the S7 compare to the Note 4, S4 or S5 in audio quality? You guys have me nervous about my pre-order since I use headphones so much. I don't have anything super fancy, just some Shure SE215's

I use a Cyrus/Usher home audio system plus Grado and Sennheiser cans for headphone listening.
It depends if you call booming bass and searing highs 'good quality' audio?
If you care about music reproduction the Exynos version is actually very good. - Wolfson co-developed Lucky DAC.
I also have a Audio quest Dragonfly Black external DAC and although I use it if I listen critically the difference is not night and day.
If you're unlucky enough to have the Snapdragon version (for several reasons) you won't enjoy your audio as much. It uses the integrated chip.
Headphone amplifier power is limited in both versions. It goes plenty loud (for many unfortunately the decisive factor as to 'good sound') but it won't please head bangers.
If you value your hearing you probably won't want to go there.
The included head buds are useless by the way. I'd bin them asap.
(S7E Exynos user)

drummerman said:
I use a Cyrus/Usher home audio system plus Grado and Sennheiser cans for headphone listening.
It depends if you call booming bass and searing highs 'good quality' audio?
If you care about music reproduction the Exynos version is actually very good. - Wolfson co-developed Lucky DAC.
I also have a Audio quest Dragonfly Black external DAC and although I use it if I listen critically the difference is not night and day.
If you're unlucky enough to have the Snapdragon version (for several reasons) you won't enjoy your audio as much. It uses the integrated chip.
Headphone amplifier power is limited in both versions. It goes plenty loud (for many unfortunately the decisive factor as to 'good sound') but it won't please head bangers.
If you value your hearing you probably won't want to go there.
The included head buds are useless by the way. I'd bin them asap.
(S7E Exynos user)
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But the thing is the S7E Exynos isn't very good with headphone audio, that's the whole problem.

naruto.ninjakid said:
Plus now since there is no Root most likely we can't even use viper4android
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Note 4 N910C was totally fine [at least for my non-professional view] w/o Viper. I didn't want to root for 6 months or so in order not to null my warranty. Right now it's even better w Viper. I wish someone can review and make side-by-side comparison for Note 7 (I guess Exynos version) and Exynos Note 4 in terms of SQ!

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But the thing is the S7E Exynos isn't very good with headphone audio, that's the whole problem.
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The Note 7 has Qualcomm's new Aqstic codec, and the S7E does not. This is the same one used in the HTC M10. That should help some, although the amp may be the weak link in the chain at this point.
https://www.qualcomm.com/news/relea...m-powers-next-generation-samsung-galaxy-note7
(in first paragraph)
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PsiPhiDan said:
The Note 7 has Qualcomm's new Aqstic codec, and the S7E does not. This is the same one used in the HTC M10. That should help some, although the amp may be the weak link in the chain at this point.
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Is that for EU version or the US?

@home said:
Is that for EU version or the US?
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Qualcomm is the company that makes the Snapdragon chip, so it's got to be the US version.
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PsiPhiDan said:
Qualcomm is the company that makes the Snapdragon chip, so it's got to be the US version.
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That's what I thought.
I'm talking about the Exynos version. Same as the S7E.

@home said:
That's what I thought.
I'm talking about the Exynos version. Same as the S7E.
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... which uses a Wolfson derived DAC. Likely better than Qualcomms solution, code notwithstanding.
Ultimate limitation is the DAC/amplifier chip ... ie. hardware.
Either way, you would be better off using an outboard DAC as mentioned previously or something like a high resolution player from Fiio if you want the last ounce of performance.
No phone will come close to a well implemented and dedicated player.
Forget about Viper and other similar players. Pretty lights that's it. It will do absolutely nothing for your audio other than adding some fancy looking equalizers. Use either Samsungs own player or the one from Google. Black player is another good one and simple.

drummerman said:
... which uses a Wolfson derived DAC. Likely better than Qualcomms solution, code notwithstanding.
Ultimate limitation is the DAC/amplifier chip ... ie. hardware.
Either way, you would be better off using an outboard DAC as mentioned previously or something like a high resolution player from Fiio if you want the last ounce of performance.
No phone will come close to a well implemented and dedicated player.
Forget about Viper and other similar players. Pretty lights that's it. It will do absolutely nothing for your audio other than adding some fancy looking equalizers. Use either Samsungs own player or the one from Google. Black player is another good one and simple.
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Well maybe they have improved the DAC/amplifier chip for the Note 7.
It's annoying that a definite answer cannot be found on the net somewhere.

@home said:
Well maybe they have improved the DAC/amplifier chip for the Note 7.
It's annoying that a definite answer cannot be found on the net somewhere.
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I'm monitoring http://www.head-fi.org/ time to time. I guess sooner or later some reviews of Note 7's SQ will appear!

Pixel and Pixel XL Audio Quality

I'm on the verge of picking up a new phone. I originally wanted the Note 7, but waited and then heard about the LG V20 with its Quad Dac. I'm still holding out hope that the Pixel XL has some really nice audio out capabilities (at least better than my Xperia Z3v or Galaxy Note 3). I prefer the quicker updates the Pixel will get, but still. My main use right now would be the 128gb model as I use my phone everyday for listening to music (as well as typical phone stuff). I refuse to carry a DAP and a phone. So basically, what do you guys think? I haven't seen anything discussing the audio capabilities.

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I'm on the verge of picking up a new phone. I originally wanted the Note 7, but waited and then heard about the LG V20 with its Quad Dac. I'm still holding out hope that the Pixel XL has some really nice audio out capabilities (at least better than my Xperia Z3v or Galaxy Note 3). I prefer the quicker updates the Pixel will get, but still. My main use right now would be the 128gb model as I use my phone everyday for listening to music (as well as typical phone stuff). I refuse to carry a DAP and a phone. So basically, what do you guys think? I haven't seen anything discussing the audio capabilities.
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I have heard anything in particular with respect to audio quality either.....but if your looking for headphone quality I doubt it will get better than lg v20....if you looking for speakerphone quality then you may as well save some money and get the 6p with the dual front facing speakers and still get pure Google experience and updates.

Either wait for the V20 ( slow updates, hard to root, no development...I have a v10)
Or get the Pixel and a outboard DAC/like a Opportunity HA2.
The 6P with the dual front speakers is obviously the better option for video without headphones.

The best all around solution is 6p and use viper4android to get the quality audio experience you seek plus ffs plus current Android updates

Well, I was looking for a device that had a decent DAC built in. I'm not sure what the Snapdragon 821 brings to the table. I do not subscribe to using software/DSP/EQ to make the audio sound good. I use nice headphones to listen to my music so I don't want to muck it up with software that "fakes" the sound. I don't want to add external devices (such as my Cambridge DacMagic XS or Oppo HA-2) as I'm trying to trim down to a single device.

The best sound by far will be the Htc with viper4android as it rocks I doubt you will find any smartphone that has as good of audio as the Htc 10 with viper4android.

M9guy said:
The best sound by far will be the Htc with viper4android as it rocks I doubt you will find any smartphone that has as good of audio as the Htc 10 with viper4android.
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I was thinking about the HTC 10, but Viper4Android is something I wouldn't use. It seems to just be an EQ. I don't use EQ nor do I have any interest whatsoever in doing so. It doesn't increase the quality of the audio coming out of the device.

waytoocrazy said:
Well, I was looking for a device that had a decent DAC built in. I'm not sure what the Snapdragon 821 brings to the table. I do not subscribe to using software/DSP/EQ to make the audio sound good. I use nice headphones to listen to my music so I don't want to muck it up with software that "fakes" the sound. I don't want to add external devices (such as my Cambridge DacMagic XS or Oppo HA-2) as I'm trying to trim down to a single device.
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I'm in the same boat as you. I used a HTC m8 and purchased a Nexus 6p for pure android. The Nexus DAC was terrible so I traveled with both phones. Last month i sold my 6p in anticipation of the event because of HTCs history with audio. I'm regretting that now: I'm sure if the Pixel had a dedicated DAC Google would have played it up during the event.
I'm currently researching a phone to replace my m8: It seems like best are the LG G5, v10 upcoming v20, Axon 7, and of course HTC10. The HTC10 will probably be my next phone: it sucks because it seems like you always have to compromise something.

djstone86 said:
I'm in the same boat as you. I used a HTC m8 and purchased a Nexus 6p for pure android. The Nexus DAC was terrible so I traveled with both phones. Last month i sold my 6p in anticipation of the event because of HTCs history with audio. I'm regretting that now: I'm sure if the Pixel had a dedicated DAC Google would have played it up during the event.
I'm currently researching a phone to replace my m8: It seems like best are the LG G5, v10 upcoming v20, Axon 7, and of course HTC10. The HTC10 will probably be my next phone: it sucks because it seems like you always have to compromise something.
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Agreed! To be honest, I find the Xperia Z3v merely acceptable. It is a little better sounding than my Galaxy Note 3 was. I'm not even looking for something "powerful" as I have 25-32ohm headphones. Though they are quite resolving and I enjoy using them around the house and when I go out in general. If in the end, the Pixel doesn't have good sound (ie... needs to be at least 24/192), and the V20 isn't going to work for me. I'll just keep using my external DACs.

Nexus6p or V20 would work for now...

waytoocrazy said:
Well, I was looking for a device that had a decent DAC built in. I'm not sure what the Snapdragon 821 brings to the table. I do not subscribe to using software/DSP/EQ to make the audio sound good. I use nice headphones to listen to my music so I don't want to muck it up with software that "fakes" the sound. I don't want to add external devices (such as my Cambridge DacMagic XS or Oppo HA-2) as I'm trying to trim down to a single device.
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This is the same reason I am still using Nexus 6 as my daily driver, i tried many phones (Note 4, N6P, Note 5, S7 Edge, Note 7 SD820 version etc..) in the last 2 years and no phone has better audio quality thru audio jack than N6. HTC 10 has some what better audio quality but I don't want to downgrade screen size below 5.5".
It infuriates me whenever people suggest Viper/Arise etc.. to make up for the poor DAC in the phone.
Hoping pixel phone has decent DAC.

I'm going to get the V20 due to the audio quality of the Note 7 (and I'm guessing it's not great on the Pixel either). Quad DAC is going to be amazing.
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waytoocrazy said:
I was thinking about the HTC 10, but Viper4Android is something I wouldn't use. It seems to just be an EQ. I don't use EQ nor do I have any interest whatsoever in doing so. It doesn't increase the quality of the audio coming out of the device.
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If people stopped having such solid opinions on things, they'd be pleasantly surprised by what they find. At least, try using viper4android. You have no idea the difference it can make.
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PsiPhiDan said:
I'm going to get the V20 due to the audio quality of the Note 7 (and I'm guessing it's not great on the Pixel either). Quad DAC is going to be amazing.
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If people stopped having such solid opinions on things, they'd be pleasantly surprised by what they find. At least, try using viper4android. You have no idea the difference it can make.
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What he said..... you should try V4A....you'll be pleasantly surprised.

Funny how people criticize a phone for not having front facing speakers, but the HTC 10 doesn't have them and it is one of the best sounding phones out there right now... and yes, I have a 6P as well. I encourage everyone to save their judgement for when we actually get to hear it or someone gives a review on it.

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It infuriates me whenever people suggest Viper/Arise etc.. to make up for the poor DAC in the phone.
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So True!
PsiPhiDan said:
I'm going to get the V20 due to the audio quality of the Note 7 (and I'm guessing it's not great on the Pixel either). Quad DAC is going to be amazing.
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I'm very much leaning that way myself.
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If people stopped having such solid opinions on things, they'd be pleasantly surprised by what they find. At least, try using viper4android. You have no idea the difference it can make.
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What he said..... you should try V4A....you'll be pleasantly surprised.
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As for the others who continue to suggest V4A or other software EQ/DSP... enlighten me on how painting a smiley face on a turd of a DAC makes it sound better? It doesn't... it simply alters the sound. I have multiple headphones that I use for different genres of music. THAT is what I use to alter the sound that I'm looking for. EQ and DSP are only meant to cover up the shortcomings of the headphones native sound signature. How would I know if I'm making things worse by polishing a Turd of a DAC by warping the sound signature? If I wanted to make things more "bassy" or "echoey" or whatever you want. I'd just pick up a pair of Beats headphones and call it a day. I'm sure it is a fantastic piece of software, again... it is completely opposite of what I'm looking for. Though, thank you for letting me know that it is out there. The 5 YouTube videos I watched let me know that it wasn't something I'd be interested in beyond a novelty.

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What he said..... you should try V4A....you'll be pleasantly surprised.
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I've used it. It helps, but it's still lipstick on a pig. The amp and DAC make a much larger difference. I liked Viper4Android on other devices but there will be no comparison to a phone with a vastly superior DAC. The HTC One M8 was by far the best audio quality I'd ever heard before because of its DAC and amp combo. Did much better than my other phones paired with V4A.
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It's already known the pixel phones won't have a DAC and your interest level in pure sound quality is high and clearly outweighs the custom Roms or pure Android experience or early updates you get with Google phones...so I'm not sure what the hesitation is.... Get the phone with the DAC. Honestly the pixel phones are over priced and hardware specs are not comparable to the price.... I'll be keeping my 6p

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It's already known the pixel phones won't have a DAC and your interest level in pure sound quality is high and clearly outweighs the custom Roms or pure Android experience or early updates you get with Google phones...so I'm not sure what the hesitation is.... Get the phone with the DAC. Honestly the pixel phones are over priced and hardware specs are not comparable to the price.... I'll be keeping my 6p
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You're right. I'll keep an eye on them, but the more I find out about it, I don't think it is the right device for me.
Thanks again!

There is some potentially good news here, Guys. I just read the hands-on with Anandtech and while they didn't mention much about the audio quality, they did say that it has the Qualcomm Aqstic audio codec. So, yes, it's Qualcomm, but it's of much higher quality than the "normal" Qualcomm. The Aqstic is the same DAC/codec used in the HTC 10 which I find little fault with. I think the V10 is still a tad cleaner with a better noise floors, but these are extremely minor differences. For pure Google, fast updates and a nice design, I can easily settle for a Qualcomm Aqstic audio solution rather than an exotic "quad DAC" which still hasn't been released or heard by any audiophile reviewers I don't think. I'm all in for this phone.
-Collin-

Is the HTC 10 as smooth as the Google Pixel?

I guys. Have the HTC One M8. I've been thinking about upgrading to the HTC 10. Haven't tried any of them, even at a store.
Question to anyone who had or tried both, is the Pixel much smoother than the 10? What about sound quality? The 10 rocks, from what I've read, is the Pixel worse in that department?
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I guys. Have the HTC One M8. I've been thinking about upgrading to the HTC 10. Haven't tried any of them, even at a store.
Question to anyone who had or tried both, is the Pixel much smoother than the 10? What about sound quality? The 10 rocks, from what I've read, is the Pixel worse in that department?
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Already a thread for this.
Vanilla vs any custom UI is always going to be smoother.
Sense and Touchwiz and the like are getting better but vanilla will always be more fluid.
Install cm or r. Remix and you'll have the same.
Sense is really smooth though, barely any difference.

I tried the pixel, the 10 is just as fast, but the pixel is slightly smoother and Google have changed the acceleration so it feels a little more like IOS. As far as audio goes, have a watch of Pocketnow's audio review of the pixel, the results are average.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NYs8preQijQ
Pixel audio vs the 2016 competition, with God-Emperor One M8 as contrast/reference.

Audio on HTC is superior, no competition.

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Audio on HTC is superior, no competition.
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More bassy, more sound quality but lower volume than the m8. The HTC one m8 is, quoting the guy who made the test, "a league of its own".

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More bassy, more sound quality but lower volume than the m8. The HTC one m8 is, quoting the guy who made the test, "a league of its own".
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Never had the m8 but I've heard good things, had the m7 and m9 both had great matching speakers. Prefer the 10's sound quality though.

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Some people using leedroid have said that its smoother. More fluid. I haven't committed yet, I'll flash this Sunday maybe..

The app opening and app switching is not by a couple of milliseconds. However the rest is pretty much on par.
This means that maybe on video the Pixel opens apps a tiny bit faster, but when something is really demanding, bot devices struggle equally

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The app opening and app switching is not by a couple of milliseconds. However the rest is pretty much on par.
This means that maybe on video the Pixel opens apps a tiny bit faster, but when something is really demanding, bot devices struggle equally
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Just ordered a pixel for my daughter. I'll have a benchmark vs when she opens it on Xmas, see who wins. Have to say, pure android is a fluid system, only reason why I came back to htc was I missed sense, avoided the 10 and got the 6P as I had read that they were going with a sub par chip set, then ironically they went with the sd820, classic [emoji30]
But I have to say, the 6P the 10 the pixel, the difference is so marginal it doesn't even merit an argument, yes you'll see slight differences here and there but so long as its not lagging or halting all the time it's a difference that you'll never notice.
(Me in January, yes my good man I'd like a pixel please it's how much? Jesus, take the cash)
Then the 11 will drop and i'll be giving it to a family member. Happens a lot with me, I'm very unlucky.
Also have to say and very off topic and probably sacrilegious here, but the Samsung S8 is probably going to be a beast of a phone, they've got a lot to make up for, now if only they did a vanilla version, I'd be on board in a heart beat, least until the next htc came out.. [emoji16]

I have htc10 and pixel xl and lg v20 lg v20 is amoother than htc10 and pixel snoother than both of them
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I have htc10 and pixel xl and lg v20 lg v20 is amoother than htc10 and pixel snoother than both of them
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I'm curious what the definition of 'smoother' is for this thread. If less smooth...does that translate to lag?

ewingr said:
I'm curious what the definition of 'smoother' is for this thread. If less smooth...does that translate to lag?
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Theres no lags but both device pixel and v20 running Nougat so you feel the phones are faster than htc10
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HTC 10 or LG V20?

Hi everyone,
I need some advices. I have to buy a new smartphone, I had an LG G4 before but got the well known bootloop issue. It was 6 months ago.
Since then, didn't buy anything but really need one right now. So I have to choose between 2 devices: HTC 10 or LG V20. It's almost the same price.
I was an huge HTC Fan but got a lot of problems with their after sale services with my M8 and Desire Eye.
For LG, I'm really afraid of another bootloop issue with this V20.
I didn't find any comparison between these 2 flagships but I have a lot of questions.
First of all, on the video recording. On some YouTube videos, OIS on HTC 10 seems better than V20. Sounds recording seems great(if not better) also on HTC 10, or am I wrong? I really loved manual control on my previous G4 and glad that V20 got that on video recording, but is this really an advantage with this awful shaky OIS?(I hate the one on G4 and it's look like the same)
Secondly, the battery lifetime: on some reviews, I saw that V20 endurance was not so good, but how about the HTC 10?
And finally, on the headphone output: Is there an huge difference between the HTC 10 and LG V20? DAC or QuadDAC? Didn't find any comparison...
It's very hard for me to choose, it will be my daily smartphone for the next 2~3 years so I don't want to make a mistake. I love the 5.7" LG's big screen and removable battery but still love and really want to come back on HTC brand, Ultrapixel Camera render and Sense. Don't want to go for a Galaxy device....
So, if you had to choose between these 2, which one would you take and why? I'm waiting for your help and reply and thank you in advance.

1.heard some v20 user still had bootloop, but just a few
2. Photo quality is much better for HTC10, the V20 is really bad
3. Dunno about about audio quality on v20, but it said the quad DAC just upscale anything and not work in some case, at least HTC10 with the hi res headset are not bad too.
4. HTC 10 firmware make me feel it just beta quality, and if you use LG, Samsung, Nexus before you will say what the hell HTC still doing stupid things, such as very bad NFC card reading, VOLTE suddenly disappear, no RGB notification LED which can't customizable, bluetooth disconnect, not bright enough screen under sun. I can go for a long list what I hate on the 10.
I switch from Nexus 5 which had broken, so at that time I can only choose from Note 7, Pixel, 10, V20. pixel don't have OIS, V20 bad photo quality, Note 7 explosion, so I am force to choose 10 in terms for better photo quality.
If you really need a phone right now I will suggest get S8,or anything cheap such as MI and one plus. The soon release mi 6 is cheap and got 835, 6gb ram, but no ,3.5mm and only 1080p.

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1.heard some v20 user still had bootloop, but just a few
2. Photo quality is much better for HTC10, the V20 is really bad
3. Dunno about about audio quality on v20, but it said the quad DAC just upscale anything and not work in some case, at least HTC10 with the hi res headset are not bad too.
4. HTC 10 firmware make me feel it just beta quality, and if you use LG, Samsung, Nexus before you will say what the hell HTC still doing stupid things, such as very bad NFC card reading, VOLTE suddenly disappear, no RGB notification LED which can't customizable, bluetooth disconnect, not bright enough screen under sun. I can go for a long list what I hate on the 10.
I switch from Nexus 5 which had broken, so at that time I can only choose from Note 7, Pixel, 10, V20. pixel don't have OIS, V20 bad photo quality, Note 7 explosion, so I am force to choose 10 in team for better photo quality.
If you really need a phone right now I will suggest get S8,or anything cheap such as MI and one plus. The soon release mi 6 is cheap and got 835, 6gb ram, but no ,3.5mm and only 1080p.
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Thanks for the reply, S8 is a beast but it's so expansive. I found an One Plus 3T at almost the same price as HTC 10 and V20 but didn't really think about it. Is it a good one? And also have a look on Huawei P10.

jetjay said:
Thanks for the reply, S8 is a beast but it's so expansive. I found an One Plus 3T at almost the same price as HTC 10 and V20 but didn't really think about it. Is it a good one? And also have a look on Huawei P10.
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It is a tough choice for 10 between 3T, for V20 I will not consider as I am afraid of if any bootloop issue in future and bad photo quality.
3T had touch screen lag problem, just fix in recent firmware but dunno how good it is. P10 totally against it, 1. it use 3 different kind of flash, from very slow to super fast, it like a lucky draw, 2. it lack of oleophobic coating, what the hell a modern smartphone lack of this? 3. CPU still not good enough for a flagship device
if you will flash custom rom then htc 10 is a good one, consider the hardware not so bad (except the nfc and weaker wifi reception).
If you go for 10, check the screen, it either Sharp panel or Tianma panel, talk about color accuracy (sRGB) the Tianma is better, but the Sharp panel is a little bit brighter and wider view angel, but will have some visible line on it. google the different before choose.
Actually the 10 will be my last HTC device, I can't understand how come they still can't fix the volte issue. I also have some app incompatible issue but not on my wife s7 edge.
p.s. It can't tell it is which panel until you look at the screen.

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It is a tough choice for 10 between 3T, for V20 I will not consider as I am afraid of if any bootloop issue in future and bad photo quality.
3T had touch screen lag problem, just fix in recent firmware but dunno how good it is. P10 totally against it, 1. it use 3 different kind of flash, from very slow to super fast, it like a lucky draw, 2. it lack of oleophobic coating, what the hell a modern smartphone lack of this? 3. CPU still not good enough for a flagship device
if you will flash custom rom then htc 10 is a good one, consider the hardware not so bad (except the nfc and weaker wifi reception).
If you go for 10, check the screen, it either Sharp panel or Tianma panel, talk about color accuracy (sRGB) the Tianma is better, but the Sharp panel is a little bit brighter and wider view angel, but will have some visible line on it. google the different before choose.
Actually the 10 will be my last HTC device, I can't understand how come they still can't fix the volte issue. I also have some app incompatible issue but not on my wife s7 edge.
p.s. It can't tell it is which panel until you look at the screen.
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Ok, thanks a lot for taking time to answer me. I think I’ll go for the HTC 10, it was my first choice and I think I won’t be disappointed with.

only reason to choose the V20 over the 10 is if sound quality is one of the top 3 features you want from a smartphone. That said, if you don't have, or don't plan on getting, great headphones then the V20's sound quality advantage becomes irrelevant. The 10's DAC is great and is at the top in comparison to other smartphones, but isn't quite on par with the V20. In all other aspects though the 10 is a better smartphone

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jetjay said:
Ok, thanks a lot for taking time to answer me. I think I’ll go for the HTC 10, it was my first choice and I think I won’t be disappointed with.
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I just want to share my opinion about HTC 10.
HTC was once my favourite smartphone company, because of its audio quality and UI design. I used HTC one m7 for almost 4 years without any major issues and finally bought HTC 10 on November 2016, The performance was good and Camera is also good but not the best, galaxy s7 edge has better camera. but still audio recording and sound quality was top class. I updated to nougat on january end and it was working perfectly for about a month. however my faith in HTC has got down not long ago, ever since my HTC 10 became useless on the account of bootloop issue on february 2016.
I bought the device from another country and warranty is available only in that country, anyhow i had sent it for replacement and one of my friend who was in HTC service centre told me that he had seen 12 other HTC 10 phones sent for similar bootloop problems.
I'am waiting for the replacement of my HTC 10 for one n half months. When I recieve the device, first thing i'm gonna do probably is sell it !

You tell me: lamborghini or bicycle?

ali nz said:
You tell me: lamborghini or bicycle?
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lamborghini = HTC....... bicycle = LG V20

And what do you think about the brand-new LG G6? Did you heard something bad or weird about that one?
In my country I could find it for 599 euros right now, one month ago it was 750 !!!! what's happened? Bootloop again ?

jetjay said:
And what do you think about the brand-new LG G6? Did you heard something bad or weird about that one?
In my country I could find it for 599 euros right now, one month ago it was 750 !!!! what's happened? Bootloop again ?
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it's said that after s8 launch they dropped the price to sell more or so. the phone looks okay, but i'm not pleased with LG and Samsung

jetjay said:
And what do you think about the brand-new LG G6? Did you heard something bad or weird about that one?
In my country I could find it for 599 euros right now, one month ago it was 750 !!!! what's happened? Bootloop again ?
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because outdated CPU + camera sensor, same as HTC U ultra
and for G6 you will not receive the full spec unless you get the US or korea version, as I know US got wireless charge and Korea + some asia country got qual dac, feel weird?
p.s. the HTC U ultra sapphire limited edition give a large discount even when pre order to make it cheaper then S8 in my region

chrisz5z said:
only reason to choose the V20 over the 10 is if sound quality is one of the top 3 features you want from a smartphone. That said, if you don't have, or don't plan on getting, great headphones then the V20's sound quality advantage becomes irrelevant. The 10's DAC is great and is at the top in comparison to other smartphones, but isn't quite on par with the V20. In all other aspects though the 10 is a better smartphone
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As a music producer and audiophile, I totally agree. The V20 has made strides in mobile DACs and audio processing in terms of handling impedance and super low noise floor; needles to say it drives my HD 650's pretty well. I don't know if I would agree with the above statements on camera quality... it takes great pictures. I will say that the one thing that irks me about the phone is its UI. At times, it handles multiple applications well, and other times having a few music applications open as well as messenger applications is enough to frustrate me. Not exactly sure what causes it but considering a re-flash soon. I just don't want to risk loosing my DAC upon install of a new rom.

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And what do you think about the brand-new LG G6? Did you heard something bad or weird about that one?
In my country I could find it for 599 euros right now, one month ago it was 750 !!!! what's happened? Bootloop again ?
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Ian6930087 said:
As a music producer and audiophile, I totally agree. The V20 has made strides in mobile DACs and audio processing in terms of handling impedance and super low noise floor; needles to say it drives my HD 650's pretty well. I don't know if I would agree with the above statements on camera quality... it takes great pictures. I will say that the one thing that irks me about the phone is its UI. At times, it handles multiple applications well, and other times having a few music applications open as well as messenger applications is enough to frustrate me. Not exactly sure what causes it but considering a re-flash soon. I just don't want to risk loosing my DAC upon install of a new rom.
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I don't have a ton of experience with LG's UI, but it seems to be almost as lightweight as Sense 8. A major problem with a stock version of Sense 8 is that HTC sets it's kernel parameters to be way too conservative which causes hiccups similar to what you describe on your LG. So it's possible the same thing is happening.
I did some reading on the V20 forums and noticed some saying the Lineage based ROMs still sounded great. None of them had any HD 650s, but, as I'm sure you know, audio "quality" is highly subjective so it might sound degraded to your ears. I'd try it and if the audio sounds worse just go back to stock.

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I don't have a ton of experience with LG's UI, but it seems to be almost as lightweight as Sense 8. A major problem with a stock version of Sense 8 is that HTC sets it's kernel parameters to be way too conservative which causes hiccups similar to what you describe on your LG. So it's possible the same thing is happening.
I did some reading on the V20 forums and noticed some saying the Lineage based ROMs still sounded great. None of them had any HD 650s, but, as I'm sure you know, audio "quality" is highly subjective so it might sound degraded to your ears. I'd try it and if the audio sounds worse just go back to stock.
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Alright I'd be willing to try that! My only problem is I've always had issues reverting to stock after a flash. My Evo from back in the day was the worst at that.

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Alright I'd be willing to try that! My only problem is I've always had issues reverting to stock after a flash. My Evo from back in the day was the worst at that.
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All you'd have to do is make a full backup in TWRP before you flash a rom. Then if you don't like the rom just restore from TWRP